Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

[N7FN--- via CnC-List]

If all else fails, connect everything back up, loosen bolts holding 
transmission to engine, run engine, put in gear, pray.
Perhaps there will be enough play between the engine and transmission to break 
the seal.
Many years ago I used a similar process to remove stuck cylinder heads.  
I wasn’t trying to remove my transmission when I had a serious vibration.  
Found all of the bolts holding the transmission to the engine were very loose.
Good luck.

Frank
S/V Cool Change
C 38LF, SN: 001
Rose City YC
Portland, Oregon


From: Brian Davis via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 06:43
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Brian Davis 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

Just curious if anyone else has had trouble removing the transmission from 
their boat? My LF 38 has a Paragon Vdrive connected to a Yanmar 30hp.  The 
Vdrive came off without issue and I got the bolts completely out of the trans 
that go into the bell housing.  I've been told that it should "come right out", 
but I can even get it to budge.  It was newly installed 3 years ago by the PO 
and has been way inland in dry dock until a month ago.  So I wouldn't think its 
corroded that badly if at all...at least it doesn't look that way.  Maybe they 
used a sealant...which I was told it doesn't need since it's a dry fit.  I've 
tried a mallet and piece of wood to smack the front and rear of 
itnothing...smacked it pretty darn good too.  I like to think I'm a pretty 
strong and young guy...and I ate my biscuits n gravy 2 mornings in a row 
nowstill nothing.  Any tips or tricks that anybody has used with success?

Regards,
Brian

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Brian Davis  wrote:

  Thank you, Doug.  I appreciate the support and advice.  I successfully 
removed the vdrive late last night without to much trouble...while listening to 
the relaxing sounds of the storm that passed through.  Lol.  I also got the 
bolts off the trans that connect to the yanmar, but she's not budging.  It was 
late so I decided to pause for the day and resume after work today again.  It 
is heavy indeed since I still have the old one the PO saved.  I'm canceling my 
gym membership after carrying it to and from my storage unit to the boat. I'm 
thinking the gasket is probably sticking and she needs some encouragement of 
sorts, but I don't want to start hammering on it and have it come out and land 
on the shaft.  So, I'm not sure of the best approach to next steps...  Also, 
I'm not totally sure what you mean by "In the curved adapter is a universal 
joint that is splined to the transmission output shaft."  The Vdrive pulled 
right off after disconnecting the cooling hoses...  

  Thanks again for the input.  She's a beautiful boat and I'm enjoying 
finishing up the restoration that the PO started.

  Regards,

  Brian 

  On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 7:50 PM, svpegasu...@gmail.com  
wrote:

Hi Brian, and welcome. I have the Paragon trans and V-drive in Pegasus. I 
was told by a marine mechanic (that repaired paragons) that you have to hold it 
in reverse. There is no detent. As for removing it yourself. Pull the V-drive 
first, remove it from the transmission. In the curved adapter is a universal 
joint that is splined to the transmission output shaft. Next remove the 
transmission. Carefull it is heavy. Good luck. You have a great boat. 



Doug Mountjoy

svPegasus

LF38 1979

just west of Ballard, WA. 





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From: Brian Davis via CnC-List 

Date: Tue, May 3, 2016 11:53

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;

Cc: Brian Davis;

Subject:Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission



https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzo7ugqxmzlhv9w/paragon.pdf?dl=0

Here is a picture of the break..

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Brian Davis via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Dear Members,

  I'm new to the list, but have found a lot of beneficial reading belonging 
to the list.  I purchased a 1980 Landfall 38 SL a couple of months ago.  "Nina" 
was in dry dock at Indiantown Marina in Florida for nearly 3 years before I 
bought her.  We launched her 4 weeks ago and motored her down to North Palm 
Beach pending the availability of our slip further south.  The halyards are in 
desperate need of replacing, which is why we motored the whole way...plus the 
diesel needed a good running after so long anyhow. The fuel was 3 years old, 
but had stabilizer.  Amazingly, she fired right up and purred like a tiger the 
whole way...  She's a beautiful vessel for sure!!

  The PO did a lot of restorations to her one of which was a complete 
rebuild of the Yanmar 30hp and Vdrive.  The Paragon transmission he replaced as 
well and he happed to find one in Michigan that was still brand new from 
1980...believe it our not.  I'm having an issue with the Reverse gear engaging 
and wondering if it's me or the trans.  When I carefully shift her into Reverse 
she does seem 

Re: Stus-List Seasickness

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

I have some Stugeron now and plan on picking up a new supply in Bermuda this 
year.  So far, I've carried it and not needed it.
As a career aviator, I wasn't prone to airsicknessthank goodness.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”
Hampton VA


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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Seasickness

I used Stugeron for a delivery trip from Bermuda to Newport. Took it a couple 
of days ahead of the trip. One day out we ran into nasty sea conditions. 
Stugeron was not working for me. Fortunately the skipper had Scopolomene 
patches. Worked like a charm. 

--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT


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Re: Stus-List electronics

[William Walker via CnC-List]

Yeh, spell checker strikes again.
Bill Walker
On May 5, 2016 7:46 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List  wrote:Thanks, Bill!  BTW, I think your spell-checker may have had some fun with your post; to be clear, I did NOT sell Bill a chef radio, nor do I know what one is.   :^)
Fred Street -- MinneapolisS/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

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Re: Stus-List electronics

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Thanks, Bill!  BTW, I think your spell-checker may have had some fun with your 
post; to be clear, I did NOT sell Bill a chef radio, nor do I know what one is. 
  :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On May 5, 2016, at 6:33 PM, wwadjo...@aol.com via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just received my new standard horizon a is chef radio and ram Mic from Fred 
> Street.   Don't know why any of us would buy through anyone else.  
> Bill Walker
> CnC 36
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Re: Stus-List electronics

[wwadjourn]

Just received my new standard horizon a is chef radio and ram Mic from Fred 
Street.   Don't know why any of us would buy through anyone else.  Bill 
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Re: Stus-List C Mk2 solar panel mounting

[svpegasus38]

Looks nice, what size are the panels andhow heavy are they? Thinking of 
addind a couple of 140 watt panels to Pegasus. 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA.





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Re: Stus-List Mast boot

[Don Wagner via CnC-List]

The original mast boot for many of the C Models made of of a PVC material by 
a vacuum forming process
The company had form for the various mast cross sections and would make them on 
demand.
I last bought one about 7 yrs ago, and it fits tight, no leaks and was 
available in black or white vinyl.
They also make those piling caps that you see at many marinas

Check them out 


ssicustomplastics.com/products/piling-caps

Don Wagner
C 41 CB
Der Baron

















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From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 10:39 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard 
Subject: Stus-List Mast boot

Hi, 

If you can install with the mast off Holland Marine and other places sell 
universal boots with tapered ends and you just cut at the level that is a tight 
fit over your mast and base.  This way it's continuous. 

You cinch in down with large hose clamps and complete the seal with regular 
silicon.  It's really straightforward, does not leak,  and it looks "Factory": 
It kinda a looks like a shift boot on a manual transmission car. 

Regards, 

Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, Georgia




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Re: Stus-List C Mk2 solar panel mounting

[David Paine via CnC-List]

Nice!

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:10 PM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I made a solar panel bimini.
> It's been tidied and beefed up a bit since the pic was taken.
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0btSA_J8otua091R1dRbDFWMDA
>
> Bob M
> Ox 33-1
> Jax, FL
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I kept my two 135 watt panels off my RV to use on a boat.   They are
>> large at 62"x28".  Now that I have a new to me 1988 MK2.  I don't know
>> where to mount the large panels.   I've seen them on other brands of boats
>> mounted on the side of the boats on the stanchion.  Wouldn't they get
>> dragged when it heels over?  I was thinking of on the rear cockpit rails so
>> they stick out the back length wise but somehow fold down.  However the
>> back rails are rounded or curved.
>> Where does all the C 30Mk 2 owners mount panels?
>>
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Re: Stus-List C Mk2 solar panel mounting

[bobmor99 . via CnC-List]

I made a solar panel bimini.
It's been tidied and beefed up a bit since the pic was taken.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0btSA_J8otua091R1dRbDFWMDA

Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I kept my two 135 watt panels off my RV to use on a boat.   They are large
> at 62"x28".  Now that I have a new to me 1988 MK2.  I don't know where to
> mount the large panels.   I've seen them on other brands of boats mounted
> on the side of the boats on the stanchion.  Wouldn't they get dragged when
> it heels over?  I was thinking of on the rear cockpit rails so they stick
> out the back length wise but somehow fold down.  However the back rails are
> rounded or curved.
> Where does all the C 30Mk 2 owners mount panels?
>
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Stus-List 3/4" vented loop for sale for list-aid

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I have a ¾” stainless vented loop never been used. It does NOT have the check 
valve.

First person to send $10 to Stu can have it :)

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

 

Coquina

C 35 MK I

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Stus-List Fwd: Cruising

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I'm wondering if I could start receiving emails from the list again?

Thanks
Mike

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Persuasion" 
> Date: May 29, 2014 at 9:56:23 AM EDT
> To: 
> Subject: Cruising
> 
> Hi Stu
>  
> Just wanted to let the list know that this coming Sunday we (the Admiral and 
> I) are leaving on an extended cruise.  We will be sailing down the St. 
> Lawrence to spend the summer in the Maritimes (our home turf) then late 
> summer early fall we’ll head south with our final destination in the Bahamas 
> in early 2015.  In any one wishes to follow our blog they can access it here. 
>  Also, track our progress here.   If anyone spots me along the way come over 
> for a visit.
>  
> I would also like to thank you for your efforts and all of the support I have 
> received from the list.
>  
> Would you please un-subscribe me for now.
>  
> Thanks
> Mike
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Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Brian,

Another benefit of replacing the drive plate is that the springs that absorb 
shock between the engine and tranny can wear their surrounding metal carrier on 
the plate or break altogether, and if the spring has too much room to move 
around, it won’t cushion the shock of engagement when you put the engine into 
gear.  That can cause broken teeth in the transmission or worse.

Best to do it while the whole shebang is out of the boat…

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 2:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: svpegasu...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

 

Brian, while I have not had to remove my transmission. It may be rusted to the 
drive plate which is bolted to the flywheel. Support the transmission and pry 
back on the transmission. Try to put equal pressure on both sides. As long as 
you have the transmission out I would recommend replacing the drive plate. Lube 
the splines well. 

There should be like a 6 inch adapter between the transmission and the v-drive 
unit which will slide on to splines of both units. This should be a double 
u-joint. At least it is on Pegasus. Can't imagine yours is different. Email me 
directly if you want. 

svpegasu...@gmail.com  

 

Doug Mountjoy

svPegasus

LF38 

just west of Ballard, WA. 

 

 

-- Original message--

From: Brian Davis via CnC-List 

Date: Thu, May 5, 2016 06:44

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  ;

Cc: Brian Davis;

Subject:Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

 

Just curious if anyone else has had trouble removing the transmission from 
their boat? My LF 38 has a Paragon Vdrive connected to a Yanmar 30hp.  The 
Vdrive came off without issue and I got the bolts completely out of the trans 
that go into the bell housing.  I've been told that it should "come right out", 
but I can even get it to budge.  It was newly installed 3 years ago by the PO 
and has been way inland in dry dock until a month ago.  So I wouldn't think its 
corroded that badly if at all...at least it doesn't look that way.  Maybe they 
used a sealant...which I was told it doesn't need since it's a dry fit.  I've 
tried a mallet and piece of wood to smack the front and rear of 
itnothing...smacked it pretty darn good too.  I like to think I'm a pretty 
strong and young guy...and I ate my biscuits n gravy 2 mornings in a row 
nowstill nothing.  Any tips or tricks that anybody has used with success?

 

Regards,

Brian

 

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Brian Davis  > wrote:

Thank you, Doug.  I appreciate the support and advice.  I successfully removed 
the vdrive late last night without to much trouble...while listening to the 
relaxing sounds of the storm that passed through.  Lol.  I also got the bolts 
off the trans that connect to the yanmar, but she's not budging.  It was late 
so I decided to pause for the day and resume after work today again.  It is 
heavy indeed since I still have the old one the PO saved.  I'm canceling my gym 
membership after carrying it to and from my storage unit to the boat. I'm 
thinking the gasket is probably sticking and she needs some encouragement of 
sorts, but I don't want to start hammering on it and have it come out and land 
on the shaft.  So, I'm not sure of the best approach to next steps...  Also, 
I'm not totally sure what you mean by "In the curved adapter is a universal 
joint that is splined to the transmission output shaft."  The Vdrive pulled 
right off after disconnecting the cooling hoses...  

 

Thanks again for the input.  She's a beautiful boat and I'm enjoying finishing 
up the restoration that the PO started.

 

Regards,

 

Brian 

 

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 7:50 PM, svpegasu...@gmail.com 
   > wrote:

Hi Brian, and welcome. I have the Paragon trans and V-drive in Pegasus. I was 
told by a marine mechanic (that repaired paragons) that you have to hold it in 
reverse. There is no detent. As for removing it yourself. Pull the V-drive 
first, remove it from the transmission. In the curved adapter is a universal 
joint that is splined to the transmission output shaft. Next remove the 
transmission. Carefull it is heavy. Good luck. You have a great boat. 

 

Doug Mountjoy

svPegasus

LF38 1979

just west of Ballard, WA. 

 

 

-- Original message--

From: Brian Davis via CnC-List 

Date: Tue, May 3, 2016 11:53

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  ;

Cc: Brian Davis;

Subject:Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzo7ugqxmzlhv9w/paragon.pdf?dl=0

 

Here is a picture of the break..

 

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Brian Davis via CnC-List 

Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

[svpegasus38]

Brian, while I have not had to remove my transmission. It may be rusted to 
the drive plate which is bolted to the flywheel. Support the transmission and 
pry back on the transmission. Try to put equal pressure on both sides. As long 
as you have the transmission out I would recommend replacing the drive plate. 
Lube the splines well. There should be like a 6 inch adapter between the 
transmission and the v-drive unit which will slide on to splines of both units. 
This should be a double u-joint. At least it is on Pegasus. Can't imagine yours 
is different. Email me directly if you want. svpegasu...@gmail.com
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA.




-- Original message--From: Brian Davis via CnC-List Date: Thu, May 5, 
2016 06:44To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Brian Davis;Subject:Re: Stus-List 
Paragon Transmission
Just curious if anyone else has had trouble removing the transmission from 
their boat? My LF 38 has a Paragon Vdrive connected to a Yanmar 30hp.  The 
Vdrive came off without issue and I got the bolts completely out of the trans 
that go into the bell housing.  I've been told that it should "come right out", 
but I can even get it to budge.  It was newly installed 3 years ago by the PO 
and has been way inland in dry dock until a month ago.  So I wouldn't think its 
corroded that badly if at all...at least it doesn't look that way.  Maybe they 
used a sealant...which I was told it doesn't need since it's a dry fit.  I've 
tried a mallet and piece of wood to smack the front and rear of 
itnothing...smacked it pretty darn good too.  I like to think I'm a pretty 
strong and young guy...and I ate my biscuits n gravy 2 mornings in a row 
nowstill nothing.  Any tips or tricks that anybody has used with success?
Regards,Brian
On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Brian Davis  wrote:
Thank you, Doug.  I appreciate the support and advice.  I successfully removed 
the vdrive late last night without to much trouble...while listening to the 
relaxing sounds of the storm that passed through.  Lol.  I also got the bolts 
off the trans that connect to the yanmar, but she's not budging.  It was late 
so I decided to pause for the day and resume after work today again.  It is 
heavy indeed since I still have the old one the PO saved.  I'm canceling my gym 
membership after carrying it to and from my storage unit to the boat. I'm 
thinking the gasket is probably sticking and she needs some encouragement of 
sorts, but I don't want to start hammering on it and have it come out and land 
on the shaft.  So, I'm not sure of the best approach to next steps...  Also, 
I'm not totally sure what you mean by "In the curved adapter is a universal 
joint that is splined to the transmission output shaft."  The Vdrive pulled 
right off after disconnecting the cooling hoses...  
Thanks again for the input.  She's a beautiful boat and I'm enjoying finishing 
up the restoration that the PO started.
Regards, Brian 
On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 7:50 PM, svpegasu...@gmail.com  
wrote:
Hi Brian, and welcome. I have the Paragon trans and V-drive in Pegasus. I 
was told by a marine mechanic (that repaired paragons) that you have to hold it 
in reverse. There is no detent. As for removing it yourself. Pull the V-drive 
first, remove it from the transmission. In the curved adapter is a universal 
joint that is splined to the transmission output shaft. Next remove the 
transmission. Carefull it is heavy. Good luck. You have a great boat. 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 1979just west of Ballard, WA.

-- Original message--From: Brian Davis via CnC-List Date: Tue, May 3, 
2016 11:53To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Brian Davis;Subject:Re: Stus-List 
Paragon Transmission
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzo7ugqxmzlhv9w/paragon.pdf?dl=0
Here is a picture of the break..
On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Brian Davis via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Dear Members,
I'm new to the list, but have found a lot of beneficial reading belonging to 
the list.  I purchased a 1980 Landfall 38 SL a couple of months ago.  "Nina" 
was in dry dock at Indiantown Marina in Florida for nearly 3 years before I 
bought her.  We launched her 4 weeks ago and motored her down to North Palm 
Beach pending the availability of our slip further south.  The halyards are in 
desperate need of replacing, which is why we motored the whole way...plus the 
diesel needed a good running after so long anyhow. The fuel was 3 years old, 
but had stabilizer.  Amazingly, she fired right up and purred like a tiger the 
whole way...  She's a beautiful vessel for sure!!
The PO did a lot of restorations to her one of which was a complete rebuild of 
the Yanmar 30hp and Vdrive.  The Paragon transmission he replaced as well and 
he happed to find one in Michigan that was still brand new from 1980...believe 
it our not.  I'm having an issue with the Reverse gear engaging and wondering 
if 

Re: Stus-List Mast boot

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

I installed one of those when stepping my mast this spring and it was simple. 
My wife and daughter did the install. If the mast is down you can slip the new 
boot up from the base of the mast, so no cutting and glueing necessary (except 
trimming boot top and bottom to mast and collar circumferences respectively). 
It looks clean, doesn't leak, and costs $25-30.

Cheers,
Randy

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 5, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> If you can install with the mast off Holland Marine and other places sell 
> universal boots with tapered ends and you just cut at the level that is a 
> tight fit over your mast and base.  This way it's continuous. 
> 
> You cinch in down with large hose clamps and complete the seal with regular 
> silicon.  It's really straightforward, does not leak,  and it looks 
> "Factory": It kinda a looks like a shift boot on a manual transmission car. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, Georgia
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Re: Stus-List Seasickness

[Indigo via CnC-List]

I used Stugeron for a delivery trip from Bermuda to Newport. Took it a couple 
of days ahead of the trip. One day out we ran into nasty sea conditions. 
Stugeron was not working for me. Fortunately the skipper had Scopolomene 
patches. Worked like a charm. 

--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On May 5, 2016, at 09:51, Michael Crombie via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Does anyone have an opinion or experience with Dramamine vs Scopolamine?? If 
> one takes Dramamine, should it be taken for 1-2 days before heading out?
> 
> I've used Scopolamine before and it was moderately effective, but i'll be 
> going on a long rough passage on the outside of of Vancouver Island next week 
> and was wondering about trying Dramamine.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike 
> Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network.
> Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell.
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Re: Stus-List Seasickness

[David via CnC-List]

We have used Sturgeron for years and it works great.   Need to get it outside 
of US though...

David F. Risch
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> Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 10:06:53 -0400
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Seasickness
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: csgilchr...@comcast.net
> 
> Mike,
> Dramamine (or Bonine) is Meclazine,  an oral antihistamine and only needs to
> be taken 1-2 hours before boating.
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMHT0011054/?report=details#side_ef
> fects
> Be aware that it interacts VERY poorly with alcohol, so if you or your crew
> are inclined to crack open a few barley pops while sailing, this isn't a
> good option.  My wife suffers greatly from motion sickness and we've been
> unable to find a medical remedy that works after more than 4 hours on the
> water.  We've tried Scopolamine patches, wrist pressure bands, Bonine, anti
> queasiness sniffer/inhalers, you name it.  We generally found that avoiding
> caffeine and excessive alcohol the night before seems to mitigate the effect
> of a moderate sea state on her tummy.  20kt+ with following or quartering
> seas there's no hope...
> Good luck,
> Chuck Gilchrest
> S/V Half Magic 
> 1983 LF 35
> Padanaram, MA
> 
> 
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> Subject: Stus-List Seasickness
> 
> 
> Does anyone have an opinion or experience with Dramamine vs Scopolamine?? If
> one takes Dramamine, should it be taken for 1-2 days before heading out?
> 
> I've used Scopolamine before and it was moderately effective, but i'll be
> going on a long rough passage on the outside of of Vancouver Island next
> week and was wondering about trying Dramamine.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike 
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Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission - Reverse

[Brian Davis via CnC-List]

No, not sure what a folding prop is.  It's a vdrive and the Paragon trans
has a friction brake clamp to engage the reverse when shifted.  I didn't
know that you had to hold the gear shifter firmly into reverse after
shifting...hence the slipping.  I learned this after trying to adjust the
brake clamp via the instructions that came with the boat from the PO.
That's when the clamp itself cracked and broke.  I have the original trans
and can swap out the part.  Just can't get the tranny pulled from the
engine... I should have never tried to tighten it and investigated more
about the nature of this type of tranny.  Ugh...live and learn.  At least
I'm at the marina when this all happened.


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On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Brian
>
>
>
> I think earlier you mentioned that you have a folding prop.  Reverse with
> a Martec Folding prop takes a lot longer to bite than does a fixed or even
> geared prop.  I wonder if maybe that was your “slipping” in reverse?
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Not in Florida
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian
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> *Sent:* Thursday, May 05, 2016 11:26 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Brian Davis
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission
>
>
>
> Yikes!!  Yes, that is similar to mine recently...my reverse was slipping
> and as I came into a marina (slowly)... reverse had no effect and we almost
> kissed a $1 million yacht.  I thought that owner was going to have a heart
> attack like I almost did.  I kneeled down and kissed the dock once we tied
> up at the slip.
>
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Re: Stus-List Seasickness

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

You have used scopolamine before, so for you it is not an issue, but first time 
users are well advised to try it out ahead of time if possible. Some people 
find it makes them really dopey. I like to keep some patches on board though, 
for those people who insist that they won't get seasick. 

The reason why you might want to take Dramamine or Gravol for a day or two in 
advance is that the active ingredient is a hypnotic (makes you sleepy) but 
tolerance to the drug's hypnotic effects builds up quickly. So after a few days 
of consistent administration at the recommended dose, it will not make you 
sleepy any more. Works for me, but I usually only start the day before, and 
apply coffee sparingly if necessary. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII


 Michael Crombie via CnC-List  wrote: 

Does anyone have an opinion or experience with Dramamine vs Scopolamine?? If 
one takes Dramamine, should it be taken for 1-2 days before heading out?

I've used Scopolamine before and it was moderately effective, but i'll be going 
on a long rough passage on the outside of of Vancouver Island next week and was 
wondering about trying Dramamine.

Thanks,

Mike 
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Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

[Brian Davis via CnC-List]

Yikes!!  Yes, that is similar to mine recently...my reverse was slipping
and as I came into a marina (slowly)... reverse had no effect and we almost
kissed a $1 million yacht.  I thought that owner was going to have a heart
attack like I almost did.  I kneeled down and kissed the dock once we tied
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On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Brian — you’re far more adventurous than I am… I stick to electron-based
> stuff when I can…   :^)
>
> Sorry, I don’t have any advice for you — but if I see our crack mechanic
> for the area this weekend when up at the boat, I’ll ask him.  My worst
> transmission experience came a few years back when I went in and adjusted
> the forward ear detent before taking some friends and their kids out for a
> sail; the locking bolt was still loose, and when I backed out of the slip,
> the bolt backed out and the transmission basically unscrewed its innards
> and stuck in neutral.  So I got to shut the engine down and steer/drift to
> the nearest dock, where we disembarked our guests with apologies…   :^(
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On May 5, 2016, at 8:43 AM, Brian Davis via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Just curious if anyone else has had trouble removing the transmission from
> their boat? My LF 38 has a Paragon Vdrive connected to a Yanmar 30hp.  The
> Vdrive came off without issue and I got the bolts completely out of the
> trans that go into the bell housing.  I've been told that it should "come
> right out", but I can even get it to budge.  It was newly installed 3 years
> ago by the PO and has been way inland in dry dock until a month ago.  So I
> wouldn't think its corroded that badly if at all...at least it doesn't look
> that way.  Maybe they used a sealant...which I was told it doesn't need
> since it's a dry fit.  I've tried a mallet and piece of wood to smack the
> front and rear of itnothing...smacked it pretty darn good too.  I like
> to think I'm a pretty strong and young guy...and I ate my biscuits n gravy
> 2 mornings in a row nowstill nothing.  Any tips or tricks that anybody
> has used with success?
>
> Regards,
> Brian
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Seasickness

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Mike,
Dramamine (or Bonine) is Meclazine,  an oral antihistamine and only needs to
be taken 1-2 hours before boating.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMHT0011054/?report=details#side_ef
fects
Be aware that it interacts VERY poorly with alcohol, so if you or your crew
are inclined to crack open a few barley pops while sailing, this isn't a
good option.  My wife suffers greatly from motion sickness and we've been
unable to find a medical remedy that works after more than 4 hours on the
water.  We've tried Scopolamine patches, wrist pressure bands, Bonine, anti
queasiness sniffer/inhalers, you name it.  We generally found that avoiding
caffeine and excessive alcohol the night before seems to mitigate the effect
of a moderate sea state on her tummy.  20kt+ with following or quartering
seas there's no hope...
Good luck,
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic 
1983 LF 35
Padanaram, MA


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Subject: Stus-List Seasickness


Does anyone have an opinion or experience with Dramamine vs Scopolamine?? If
one takes Dramamine, should it be taken for 1-2 days before heading out?

I've used Scopolamine before and it was moderately effective, but i'll be
going on a long rough passage on the outside of of Vancouver Island next
week and was wondering about trying Dramamine.

Thanks,

Mike 
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Re: Stus-List Seasickness

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Mike — being north of the border, have you tried Stugeron (Cinnarizine)?  
Although I’m normally not prone to seasickness, the few times I’ve needed 
something (the first day or so of an open-ocean passage), I’ve had much better 
luck with that than with Scop.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On May 5, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Michael Crombie via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have an opinion or experience with Dramamine vs Scopolamine?? If 
> one takes Dramamine, should it be taken for 1-2 days before heading out?
> 
> I've used Scopolamine before and it was moderately effective, but i'll be 
> going on a long rough passage on the outside of of Vancouver Island next week 
> and was wondering about trying Dramamine.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike 

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Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Brian — you’re far more adventurous than I am… I stick to electron-based stuff 
when I can…   :^)

Sorry, I don’t have any advice for you — but if I see our crack mechanic for 
the area this weekend when up at the boat, I’ll ask him.  My worst transmission 
experience came a few years back when I went in and adjusted the forward ear 
detent before taking some friends and their kids out for a sail; the locking 
bolt was still loose, and when I backed out of the slip, the bolt backed out 
and the transmission basically unscrewed its innards and stuck in neutral.  So 
I got to shut the engine down and steer/drift to the nearest dock, where we 
disembarked our guests with apologies…   :^(

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On May 5, 2016, at 8:43 AM, Brian Davis via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Just curious if anyone else has had trouble removing the transmission from 
> their boat? My LF 38 has a Paragon Vdrive connected to a Yanmar 30hp.  The 
> Vdrive came off without issue and I got the bolts completely out of the trans 
> that go into the bell housing.  I've been told that it should "come right 
> out", but I can even get it to budge.  It was newly installed 3 years ago by 
> the PO and has been way inland in dry dock until a month ago.  So I wouldn't 
> think its corroded that badly if at all...at least it doesn't look that way.  
> Maybe they used a sealant...which I was told it doesn't need since it's a dry 
> fit.  I've tried a mallet and piece of wood to smack the front and rear of 
> itnothing...smacked it pretty darn good too.  I like to think I'm a 
> pretty strong and young guy...and I ate my biscuits n gravy 2 mornings in a 
> row nowstill nothing.  Any tips or tricks that anybody has used with 
> success?
> 
> Regards,
> Brian

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Re: Stus-List Seasickness

[Brian Davis via CnC-List]

My experience has been to take it about 1-2 hours before heading out. Also,
as long as I'm driving the boat I'm fine...it's when I'm not and I go down
below that things get strange..  Focus on the horizon and maintain a good
breathing pace always helps me too.  Although lately I haven't been seasick
at all..  A friend has been using a Dramamine patch and said it works even
better.  Not sure if that's a prescription or not.


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On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Michael Crombie via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Does anyone have an opinion or experience with Dramamine vs Scopolamine??
> If one takes Dramamine, should it be taken for 1-2 days before heading out?
>
> I've used Scopolamine before and it was moderately effective, but i'll be
> going on a long rough passage on the outside of of Vancouver Island next
> week and was wondering about trying Dramamine.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
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Stus-List Seasickness

[Michael Crombie via CnC-List]

Does anyone have an opinion or experience with Dramamine vs Scopolamine?? If 
one takes Dramamine, should it be taken for 1-2 days before heading out?

I've used Scopolamine before and it was moderately effective, but i'll be going 
on a long rough passage on the outside of of Vancouver Island next week and was 
wondering about trying Dramamine.

Thanks,

Mike 
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Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

[Brian Davis via CnC-List]

Just curious if anyone else has had trouble removing the transmission from
their boat? My LF 38 has a Paragon Vdrive connected to a Yanmar 30hp.  The
Vdrive came off without issue and I got the bolts completely out of the
trans that go into the bell housing.  I've been told that it should "come
right out", but I can even get it to budge.  It was newly installed 3 years
ago by the PO and has been way inland in dry dock until a month ago.  So I
wouldn't think its corroded that badly if at all...at least it doesn't look
that way.  Maybe they used a sealant...which I was told it doesn't need
since it's a dry fit.  I've tried a mallet and piece of wood to smack the
front and rear of itnothing...smacked it pretty darn good too.  I like
to think I'm a pretty strong and young guy...and I ate my biscuits n gravy
2 mornings in a row nowstill nothing.  Any tips or tricks that anybody
has used with success?

Regards,
Brian

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Brian Davis 
wrote:

> Thank you, Doug.  I appreciate the support and advice.  I successfully
> removed the vdrive late last night without to much trouble...while
> listening to the relaxing sounds of the storm that passed through.  Lol.  I
> also got the bolts off the trans that connect to the yanmar, but she's not
> budging.  It was late so I decided to pause for the day and resume after
> work today again.  It is heavy indeed since I still have the old one the PO
> saved.  I'm canceling my gym membership after carrying it to and from my
> storage unit to the boat. I'm thinking the gasket is probably sticking and
> she needs some encouragement of sorts, but I don't want to start hammering
> on it and have it come out and land on the shaft.  So, I'm not sure of the
> best approach to next steps...  Also, I'm not totally sure what you mean by
> "In the curved adapter is a universal joint that is splined to the
> transmission output shaft."  The Vdrive pulled right off after
> disconnecting the cooling hoses...
>
> Thanks again for the input.  She's a beautiful boat and I'm enjoying
> finishing up the restoration that the PO started.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 7:50 PM, svpegasu...@gmail.com <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Brian, and welcome. I have the Paragon trans and V-drive in Pegasus. I
>> was told by a marine mechanic (that repaired paragons) that you have to
>> hold it in reverse. There is no detent. As for removing it yourself. Pull
>> the V-drive first, remove it from the transmission. In the curved adapter
>> is a universal joint that is splined to the transmission output shaft. Next
>> remove the transmission. Carefull it is heavy. Good luck. You have a great
>> boat.
>>
>>
>> Doug Mountjoy
>>
>> svPegasus
>>
>> LF38 1979
>>
>> just west of Ballard, WA.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original message--
>>
>> *From: *Brian Davis via CnC-List
>>
>> *Date: *Tue, May 3, 2016 11:53
>>
>> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com;
>>
>> *Cc: *Brian Davis;
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission
>>
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzo7ugqxmzlhv9w/paragon.pdf?dl=0
>>
>> Here is a picture of the break..
>>
>> On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Brian Davis via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Members,
>>>
>>> I'm new to the list, but have found a lot of beneficial reading
>>> belonging to the list.  I purchased a 1980 Landfall 38 SL a couple of
>>> months ago.  "Nina" was in dry dock at Indiantown Marina in Florida for
>>> nearly 3 years before I bought her.  We launched her 4 weeks ago and
>>> motored her down to North Palm Beach pending the availability of our slip
>>> further south.  The halyards are in desperate need of replacing, which is
>>> why we motored the whole way...plus the diesel needed a good running after
>>> so long anyhow. The fuel was 3 years old, but had stabilizer.  Amazingly,
>>> she fired right up and purred like a tiger the whole way...  She's a
>>> beautiful vessel for sure!!
>>>
>>> The PO did a lot of restorations to her one of which was a complete
>>> rebuild of the Yanmar 30hp and Vdrive.  The Paragon transmission he
>>> replaced as well and he happed to find one in Michigan that was still brand
>>> new from 1980...believe it our not.  I'm having an issue with the Reverse
>>> gear engaging and wondering if it's me or the trans.  When I carefully
>>> shift her into Reverse she does seem to fully engage or stay in gear.  I'm
>>> getting mixed feedback and hoping that somebody with the same set up can
>>> clarify.  The shifter is on the wheel column while the throttle is on the
>>> side of the cockpit.  Should I have to continuously hold the shifter down
>>> in reverse to keep it engaged??  Forward works great and there is a
>>> positive lock or click once I engage the shifter up into gear.  However,
>>> once back off on the throttle, move it to neutral, then into reverse, and
>>> then giver her juice it doesn't seem to either slow the boat or move into
>>> reverse.