Re: Stus-List C 35 Mk 1 Owners Manual

[jcn--- via CnC-List]

Russ
No major concerns as a well kept one owner boat who bought it new from the 
Toronto boat show back in 1971.  I'm an engineer so like to have as much info 
and detail as possible and I have all winter to get up to speed on the 35. 
Cheers. Jim

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> On Sep 30, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> Welcome to the list. And congrats on the acquisition of the 35 mk-1. 
> 
>  Great boat.!
> 
> What concerns do you have with her?  We can help.
> 
> Cheers, Russ 
> Sweet 35 mk-1
> 
> 
> At 03:36 PM 30/09/2016, you wrote:
>> I just purchased a 1971 C& C 35 Mk 1 (and just joined this users group!) and 
>> am looking for an owners manual for this sailboat.
>> There are C owners manuals for other sizes of C boats but not for the 
>> 35ft Mk1 it seems.  So any assistance in print or pdf is greatly appreciated.
>> Cheers, Jim Neirinck
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Re: Stus-List C 35 Mk 1 Owners Manual

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Jim,

Welcome to the list. And congrats on the acquisition of the 35 mk-1.

 Great boat.!

What concerns do you have with her?  We can help.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


At 03:36 PM 30/09/2016, you wrote:
I just purchased a 1971 C& C 35 Mk 1 (and just joined this users 
group!) and am looking for an owners manual for this sailboat.
There are C owners manuals for other sizes of C boats but not 
for the 35ft Mk1 it seems.  So any assistance in print or pdf is 
greatly appreciated.

Cheers, Jim Neirinck
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Re: Stus-List C 35 Mk 1 Owners Manual

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Really. Jerome, did you check the link sent from your iPhone?

There is no 35 mk-1 owners manual there. We're talking old school.

In the ol' days a sailor didn't need no friggin owners manual to know 
'is boat. yeah.


Cheers and fair rum, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
hardass

At 06:07 PM 30/09/2016, you wrote:

http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/chandlery_2/store.php?crn=227=434=show_detail
C 35-1 Owners manual.

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Re: Stus-List Birds

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

I sympathize fully.  I once had an encounter with a cormorant.  It loved to sit 
atop my mast at the end of the fall and fish from there as I was located so 
conveniently in the slip closest to the channel, waiting for haulout.   I 
actually love those birds because they can both fly, fish and dive underwater 
to chase fish.  Problem: the bird would eat fish and sleep atop my mast where 
he would later regurgitate their skeletal remains onto the mainsail cover and 
the deck.   


I tried shaking the mast and the bird flew a circle around the marina and 
relanded on the mast.  Three times I tried that.  I came back back the next 
night armed with a hose and nozzle and I hauled that up using the main halyard 
and aimed it just so.  I shook the mast, the bird flew away, made his loop 
around the marina but when he approached my mast, I opened the water valve and 
he didn't like the spray.  He flew around the marina and made a second attempt, 
but the spray kept him away.  He finally flew up river and never came back, but 
I kept that hose and nozzle rigged till they hauled the boat.  Hope this helps 
somebody else.


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

> On September 30, 2016 at 9:53 AM robert via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> A month ago, I had an osprey mangle my Windex so bad it could not be 
> straightened out.I put on a new one with a 'spike' on top..so far it 
> has worked.
> 
> My bird problem (bird crap) is at the base of the mast, not at the top.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
> On 2016-09-30 10:42 AM, David via CnC-List wrote:
> 
> > > We too have bird problems...
> > 
> > I tie fishing line from VHF antennae to tri-color to anemometer to 
> > Windex.
> > 
> > I also have three lengths of fishing line emanating from the base 
> > of the 4 spreaders to the shrouds in increasing height.
> > 
> > Seems to work.
> > 
> > I will also add pins to spreaders as well.
> > 
> > David F. Risch
> > 1981 40-2
> > (401) 419-4650 (cell)
> > 
> > > 


 

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Re: Stus-List toilet lubrication

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

Mineral oil.  Jerry 

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> On Sep 30, 2016, at 9:21 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> The best, by far, is Peggy Hall’s book “Get Rid of Boat Odors“. You can get 
> it off Amazon or, better yet, from SBO (sailboatowners.com) 
> (http://shop.sailboatowners.com/prod.php?53615).
> 
> You can also search through her writings there. E.g.: 
> http://forums.sailboatowners.com/index.php?threads/lubricating-manual-head.180231/=lubricating%20head
> 
> Sick Teflon grease is the best.
> 
> Marek
> 
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of LKL via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 17:58
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: lklarchite...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List toilet lubrication
>  
>  
> Marine Toilet Maintenance by Don Casey - BoatUS
>  
>  
> Maybe this will help.  I have been following his advice and so far no 
> problems.
>  
> Lloyd Lippe
> Finesse
> LF 39 
>  
>  
> From: Fred Hazzard via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 4:25 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Fred Hazzard
> Subject: Stus-List toilet lubrication
>  
> I've been using cooking oil to lubricate my manual Jabsco toilet.   In time 
> it gums up and needs to be cleaned to keep the pump working smoothly. What 
> are others using to avoid it gumming up?
>  
> Fred Hazzard
> S/V Fury
> C 44
> Portland, Or
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Re: Stus-List toilet lubrication

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

The best, by far, is Peggy Hall’s book “Get Rid of Boat Odors“. You can get it 
off Amazon or, better yet, from SBO (sailboatowners.com) 
(http://shop.sailboatowners.com/prod.php?53615).
You can also search through her writings there. E.g.: 
http://forums.sailboatowners.com/index.php?threads/lubricating-manual-head.180231/=lubricating%20head
Sick Teflon grease is the best.
Marek

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of LKL via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 17:58
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: lklarchite...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List toilet lubrication


Marine Toilet Maintenance by Don Casey - 
BoatUS


Maybe this will help.  I have been following his advice and so far no problems.

Lloyd Lippe
Finesse
LF 39


From: Fred Hazzard via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 4:25 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Fred Hazzard
Subject: Stus-List toilet lubrication

I've been using cooking oil to lubricate my manual Jabsco toilet.   In time it 
gums up and needs to be cleaned to keep the pump working smoothly. What are 
others using to avoid it gumming up?

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C 44
Portland, Or

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Re: Stus-List C 35 Mk 1 Owners Manual

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/chandlery_2/store.php?crn=227=434=show_detail
C 35-1 Owners manual.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:04 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Congrats!
> 
> Go here: 
> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/other/Redwing%2035%20Equipment%20List.pdf
> 
> Not a manual but info on equipment, etc for the 35. 
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touché 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2016 5:37 PM, "Jim via CnC-List"  wrote:
>> I just purchased a 1971 C& C 35 Mk 1 (and just joined this users group!) and 
>> am looking for an owners manual for this sailboat.
>> There are C owners manuals for other sizes of C boats but not for the 
>> 35ft Mk1 it seems.  So any assistance in print or pdf is greatly appreciated.
>> Cheers, Jim Neirinck
>> 
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Re: Stus-List C 35 Mk 1 Owners Manual

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Congrats!

Go here:
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/other/Redwing%2035%20Equipment%20List.pdf

Not a manual but info on equipment, etc for the 35.

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sep 30, 2016 5:37 PM, "Jim via CnC-List"  wrote:

> I just purchased a 1971 C& C 35 Mk 1 (and just joined this users group!)
> and am looking for an owners manual for this sailboat.
> There are C owners manuals for other sizes of C boats but not for the
> 35ft Mk1 it seems.  So any assistance in print or pdf is greatly
> appreciated.
> Cheers, Jim Neirinck
>
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Re: Stus-List toilet lubrication

[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

Thanks guys.  Great advice.
Fred

On Sep 30, 2016 3:01 PM, "LKL via CnC-List"  wrote:

>
> Marine Toilet Maintenance by Don Casey - BoatUS
> 
>
>
>
> Maybe this will help.  I have been following his advice and so far no
> problems.
>
>
>
> Lloyd Lippe
>
> Finesse
>
> LF 39
>
>
>
> *From:* Fred Hazzard via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 4:25 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Fred Hazzard
> *Subject:* Stus-List toilet lubrication
>
> I've been using cooking oil to lubricate my manual Jabsco toilet.   In
> time it gums up and needs to be cleaned to keep the pump working smoothly.
> What are others using to avoid it gumming up?
>
> Fred Hazzard
> S/V Fury
> C 44
> Portland, Or
>
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Stus-List C 35 Mk 1 Owners Manual

[Jim via CnC-List]

I just purchased a 1971 C& C 35 Mk 1 (and just joined this users group!) and am 
looking for an owners manual for this sailboat. 
There are C owners manuals for other sizes of C boats but not for the 35ft 
Mk1 it seems. So any assistance in print or pdf is greatly appreciated. 
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Re: Stus-List toilet lubrication

[LKL via CnC-List]

Marine Toilet Maintenance by Don Casey - BoatUS

 

Maybe this will help.  I have been following his advice and so far no problems.



Lloyd Lippe

Finesse

LF 39 




From: Fred Hazzard via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 4:25 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Fred Hazzard 
Subject: Stus-List toilet lubrication

I've been using cooking oil to lubricate my manual Jabsco toilet.   In time it 
gums up and needs to be cleaned to keep the pump working smoothly. What are 
others using to avoid it gumming up?

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C 44
Portland, Or



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Re: Stus-List toilet lubrication

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Fred,

What kind of cooking oil? I've been using Canola 
(ex Rapeseed) oil for more than 30 years with no 
problems. But maybe only twice a year.


Last year I used some old olive oil and still no 
complaints. Similar climate as you, I'm just 
north of the Pacific Northwest boundary... on Vancouver Island.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1



At 01:25 PM 30/09/2016, you wrote:
I've been using cooking oil to lubricate my 
manual Jabsco toilet. Â  In time it gums up and 
needs to be cleaned to keep the pump working 
smoothly. What are others using to avoid it gumming up?


Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C 44
Portland, Or
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Re: Stus-List Wow. 4857 emails on the C list.

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hey Wally,

Good to hear from you at last and glad you survived the"summer o' sixteen".

I haven't checked for updates in a long while too. What's this 
Facebook thing... is it an interactive plotter?


Anyhow, still banging away here on an XP machine with Eudora as the 
mail client.


Summer's almost over and we're flying to Hawaii for a few weeks. The 
ol' lady turns sixty soon so it's special.
My brother and a couple o' friends will be down to check on their 
boats at the yard near San Carlos, probably November-ish. I wish 
every one the best.


Take care & fair winds, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1



At 10:48 AM 30/09/2016, you wrote:
Okay,  clearly I'm not keeping up.  And after not updating my web 
site in nearly two years (for technical reasons) I finally put up a 
Facebook page, because I wanted to tell the story about how I almost 
lost Stella Blue.


I'm pretty sure the URL is 
  Please don't ask me to be your 
'friend' unless you actually know me.  This whole Face Book thing 
has almost made me throw my computer and phone into the pool. I can 
count my friends on my toes, and no one in the world can really have 
thousands of friends.  Literally 20 seconds after I signed up, some 
real friends are sending me messages.  Then I start getting invites 
from old girlfriends from the 1970's.  Heck, it took me 10 years to 
forget some of them, I don't need any reminders.  And somebody from 
the University of Nigeria wants me to help him transfer a bunch of money...


And folks wonder why I checked out and have been hiding on my boat in Mexico.

Wal

--
s/v Stella Blue
www.wbryant.com


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Stus-List Keel bolts

[Colin Binkley via CnC-List]

Ahoy!  
  Thanks Mike and Joe for your input. I am only thinking of the "what ifs".  
Boat has been on the hard in Portsmouth and Buffalo this year, and I recall all 
looked good. Or was my keel bleeding! Or was that another boat??? All my nuts 
and washers appear Bristol. She will be coming ashore soon and I can then plan 
to stop at MarsKeel or find all is shipshape. By the way, MarsKeel shows a C 
in for keel repair on one of their photos. 
Thanks Again
Colin
SV Lindsey Layne
US 547080
71 C 40C #3

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Re: Stus-List Chart plotter problem

[G Collins via CnC-List]

Hi David

Overvoltage?  Maybe the voltage regulator is bad.  The engine running will have 
the electrical system at > 13v, and the batteries will temporarily hold that 
for a while.  Could you hot-wire it so as to power the zeus exclusively from a 
separate battery?

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2016-09-30 9:21 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:
I have posted about this problem before, but still have not solved it.  I have 
been struggling with a electrical system problem since I upgraded my 
electronics two years ago.  I installed a Seatalk network, Raymarine EV-100 
autopilot and B Zeus T8 chart plotter.  The problem is that periodically, the 
Zeus behaves like it has a mind of its own. The unit will begin beeping while 
the touchscreen acts like someone is activating menus and commands randomly.  
All kinds of problem ensue from that let alone that you can’t use the controls 
while it is happening.  It happens intermittently, sometimes with engine on and 
sometimes off and I have not been able to identify the source.  One of the 
things I have noticed is that it happens more often (but not exclusively) when 
the engine is running. Last weekend, I had an incident of this that might help 
someone understand it. I unplugged the Seatalk cable to the chart plotter to 
see if it had anything to do with the network (it doesn’t).  I had the chart 
plotter on for about 45 minutes while I did other things and all was fine.  
Then I started the engine and the Zeus immediately began beeping and randomly 
activating menus.  This continued for the time I had the engine running (about 
15 minutes).   So that would seem to point toward something people have 
suggested before- noise in the electrical system from the alternator.  Here is 
what I don’t understand- I shut the engine off and the problem persisted with 
decreasing frequency for another 10 minutes or so and eventually stopped and it 
worked fine thereafter.  If this were an alternator problem, is there some way 
it could persist for so long after the engine was shut down.Dave

Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

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Stus-List toilet lubrication

[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

I've been using cooking oil to lubricate my manual Jabsco toilet.   In time
it gums up and needs to be cleaned to keep the pump working smoothly. What
are others using to avoid it gumming up?

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C 44
Portland, Or
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Re: Stus-List Wow. 4857 emails on the C list.

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Wal,

good to hear from you!  Good seamanship overcame back luck and worse
weather!

Joel

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Okay,  clearly I'm not keeping up.  And after not updating my web site in
> nearly two years (for technical reasons) I finally put up a Facebook page,
> because I wanted to tell the story about how I almost lost Stella Blue.
>
> I'm pretty sure the URL is   Please
> don't ask me to be your 'friend' unless you actually know me.  This whole
> Face Book thing has almost made me throw my computer and phone into the
> pool. I can count my friends on my toes, and no one in the world can really
> have thousands of friends.  Literally 20 seconds after I signed up, some
> real friends are sending me messages.  Then I start getting invites from
> old girlfriends from the 1970's.  Heck, it took me 10 years to forget some
> of them, I don't need any reminders.  And somebody from the University of
> Nigeria wants me to help him transfer a bunch of money...
>
> And folks wonder why I checked out and have been hiding on my boat in
> Mexico.
>
> Wal
>
> --
> s/v Stella Blue
> www.wbryant.com
>
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[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

Okay,  clearly I'm not keeping up.  And after not updating my web site 
in nearly two years (for technical reasons) I finally put up a Facebook 
page, because I wanted to tell the story about how I almost lost Stella 
Blue.


I'm pretty sure the URL is   Please 
don't ask me to be your 'friend' unless you actually know me.  This 
whole Face Book thing has almost made me throw my computer and phone 
into the pool. I can count my friends on my toes, and no one in the 
world can really have thousands of friends.  Literally 20 seconds after 
I signed up, some real friends are sending me messages.  Then I start 
getting invites from old girlfriends from the 1970's.  Heck, it took me 
10 years to forget some of them, I don't need any reminders.  And 
somebody from the University of Nigeria wants me to help him transfer a 
bunch of money...


And folks wonder why I checked out and have been hiding on my boat in 
Mexico.


Wal

--
s/v Stella Blue
www.wbryant.com


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Re: Stus-List Chart plotter problem

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

There is yet another possibility. I have been thinking of getting a nominal 12 
volt vehicle system to stabilized 13.8 volt switching regulator. I have a 
compressor type 12 volt portable cooler that will not start unless the engine 
is running. This link is to the products I have been considering, but I have 
not pulled the trigger yet. Efficiency is around 90% 

http://www.powerstream.com/dc2.htm

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON



 Gary Russell via CnC-List  wrote: 
Loosening the alternator belt is a good idea, but don't do it for long as
on most engines it also runs the coolant pumps.

Gary

~~~_/)~~


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thinking out of the box here.
>
> The way the alternator is wired in and the state of charge of your battery
> may be adding to the randomness of the problem.
> If the output of the alternator is a heavy gauge short run directly to the
> battery or the positive stud on the starter then the
> battery will damping out a lot of the alternator's noise - voltage spikes
> - variable output.
>
> That may not be the way your boat is wired. Another common wiring was to
> use a smaller gauge wire ( 14 ? ) that runs back
> to an instrument panel, through an ammeter, then forward again to a
> terminal block ( or starter stud ). That is fine for the
> intended purpose of charging the battery but not as good for damping out
> alternator noise. The ammeter may have a wire
> wound shunt that could act as a wonderful noise antenna. If the battery is
> discharged then you will get a good current running
> which might increase the energy in the wiring. If the battery is fully
> charged from being on a shore power charger than it may
> not be accepting much current and not dampening much.
>
> I have no idea how difficult this is but you could test by loosening the
> alternator belt and starting the engine. Try it a couple of
> times, then a couple of times with the belt tight.
>
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C 30-1


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Re: Stus-List RC issues.

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Finish first. A’ one’ in low point scoring.

Gary 

 

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Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 7:56 PM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: RANDY 
Subject: Re: Stus-List RC issues.

 

I'd never heard the term either - it's not used in the community I've raced in 
the last four years.  But I guessed its meaning correctly :)

 

Cheers,

Randy

 

  _  

From: "Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List"  >
To: "cnc-list"  >
Cc: "Kevin Driscoll"  >
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 4:01:07 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List RC issues.

 

http://www.answers.com/Q/What_exactly_does_the_Sailboat_racing_term_a_bullet_mean_start_first_round_first_finish_first_or_just_finish_first?#slide=2

 

Do you race much Steve?

 

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 2:30 PM Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
 > wrote:

What do you mean by "the RC gets a bullet" ?
I mean, I get it that there is supposed to be a gun culture in certain places, 
but I am guessing you are using the word as a scoring term that I am not 
familiar with.

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List  > wrote:
In our winter and spring series, the RC gets a bullet for serving. It is In
the last 4 years since I've been involved I haven't known of any trouble
securing an RC boat, even on the coldest and wettest of circumstances.
Technically serving as RC for one race is 'mandatory,' but there are always
more crews that would like to volunteer (and grab a bullet) than there are
weekends available. An RC boat not showing for duty would be scandalous in
the community I would think. Never heard of it happening here.

An alternative to getting a boat out is the option of assembling RC on a
dock or pier and running the race from there. This is an option to RC crews
in our series that I've seen a handful of times in the last few years.

I would say getting an average of your other scores is not enough carrot,
IMO.

Kevin,
Portland
C 30mkII



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Re: Stus-List Chart plotter problem

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Loosening the alternator belt is a good idea, but don't do it for long as
on most engines it also runs the coolant pumps.

Gary

~~~_/)~~


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thinking out of the box here.
>
> The way the alternator is wired in and the state of charge of your battery
> may be adding to the randomness of the problem.
> If the output of the alternator is a heavy gauge short run directly to the
> battery or the positive stud on the starter then the
> battery will damping out a lot of the alternator's noise - voltage spikes
> - variable output.
>
> That may not be the way your boat is wired. Another common wiring was to
> use a smaller gauge wire ( 14 ? ) that runs back
> to an instrument panel, through an ammeter, then forward again to a
> terminal block ( or starter stud ). That is fine for the
> intended purpose of charging the battery but not as good for damping out
> alternator noise. The ammeter may have a wire
> wound shunt that could act as a wonderful noise antenna. If the battery is
> discharged then you will get a good current running
> which might increase the energy in the wiring. If the battery is fully
> charged from being on a shore power charger than it may
> not be accepting much current and not dampening much.
>
> I have no idea how difficult this is but you could test by loosening the
> alternator belt and starting the engine. Try it a couple of
> times, then a couple of times with the belt tight.
>
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C 30-1
>
> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:21:34 -0400
> From: David Knecht 
>
> I have posted about this problem before, but still have not solved it.  I
> have been struggling with a electrical system problem since I upgraded my
> electronics two years ago.  I installed a Seatalk network, Raymarine EV-100
> autopilot and B Zeus T8 chart plotter.  The problem is that periodically,
> the Zeus behaves like it has a mind of its own. The unit will begin beeping
> while the touchscreen acts like someone is activating menus and commands
> randomly.  All kinds of problem ensue from that let alone that you can?t
> use the controls while it is happening.  It happens intermittently,
> sometimes with engine on and sometimes off and I have not been able to
> identify the source.  One of the things I have noticed is that it happens
> more often (but not exclusively) when the engine is running. Last weekend,
> I had an incident of this that might help someone understand it. I
> unplugged the Seatalk cable to the chart plotter to see if it had anything
> to do with the network (it doesn?t).  I had the
> chart plotter on for about 45 minutes while I did other things and all was
> fine.  Then I started the engine and the Zeus immediately began beeping and
> randomly activating menus.  This continued for the time I had the engine
> running (about 15 minutes).   So that would seem to point toward something
> people have suggested before- noise in the electrical system from the
> alternator.  Here is what I don?t understand- I shut the engine off and the
> problem persisted with decreasing frequency for another 10 minutes or so
> and eventually stopped and it worked fine thereafter.  If this were an
> alternator problem, is there some way it could persist for so long after
> the engine was shut down.Dave
>
> Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
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Re: Stus-List Birds

[svpegasus38]

I use my cat Dinghy. Just his presence keeps the birds away. 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 #4just west of Ballard, WA.




-- Original message--From: robert via CnC-List Date: Fri, Sep 30, 2016 
06:25To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: robert;Subject:Stus-List Birds
I have had a boat on the same mooring for the past 20 years but have never 
experienced a problem with birds crapping on it like recently.  Over the years 
I have the occasional bird incident however a few weeks back, I went out to the 
boat and it was a mess.the whole top of the main sail cover was loaded, 
cabin top, the starboard deck back, bimini, the cockpit, the binnacle.the 
worst mess I have ever encountered.  And it was a hot day and the smell was 
unbearable.I couldn't get the boat into a slip fast enough to get access to 
a hose and fresh water.   2 1/2 hours cleaning the boat.Sh_t happens, I know.  
But the next day I go out and the same thing.  So I begin my anti-bird 
tactics.streamers everywhere, a rope from the mast to the topping lift 
about 6 inches above the main sail cover  with streamers every few inches on 
the rope...piled my 3 fenders on top of the sliding hatch.crossed lines 
across the cockpit.   Got relief for a few days but then they were back.Every 
day for a few weeks I had to come into a slip and hose/clean the boat before I 
could go for a sail.Then I got an idea..I got a piece of plastic netting 
14' X 14' and tied it to the toe rails and ran it up over the mainsail cover on 
top of the rope about 8" above the boom.  The boat was virtually protected from 
the mast back to the cockpit.  No way the birds could get aboard now.Wrong!  
Two days in a row the main sail cover, cabin top/coach roof and the cockpit was 
crapped on.  Can't explain how seagulls and cormorants could land on top of the 
netting 8" above the main sail cover but somehow they did.   The yard staff 
that took me to my boat both days said "It must have been a fly by!"  It was 
funny but I did not find it funny.So I moved the boat into a slip for the 
remainder of the season..I couldn't take it any more.   The birds broke my 
fighting spirit.If it happens again next season, I will get a different mooring 
or keep the boat at a slip.Has anyone perfected a solution to keep birds off 
their boats?Rob AbbottAZURAC 32 - 84Halifax, 
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Re: Stus-List Chart plotter problem

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

>From Boating:

Of all the electronic devices most power boaters will typically have at their 
helm stations, the fish finder is probably the most sensitive to voltage 
fluctuations in the onboard electrical system. This can cut in either 
direction, meaning that both excessively high or low voltage can make the 
display on a fish finder go crazy. This will show up on the display screen as a 
bunch of fuzzy globs or a series of diagonal lines or a mix of both shooting 
across the display.
So, what are the causes here? Well, if you are at anchor or drift-fishing 
without the engines running, you are running on straight battery power. If the 
batteries discharge to a voltage point below the unit’s minimum threshold, this 
will probably show up as the fuzz or squiggly diagonal lines on screen. If this 
happens with the engines running, it can mean either a faulty voltage regulator 
in the charging system causing the overvoltage condition or possibly a failed 
charging system causing voltage to drop. Either way, attention to the 
battery/charging system is going to be needed. The three-step voltage test 
mentioned earlier can be used to confirm a low-voltage situation. As for 
excessively high voltage, consider 2.5 volts or more above the no-run voltage 
described earlier excessive. This indicates that you need a new voltage 
regulator.


 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Jerome Tauber 
Sent: Fri, Sep 30, 2016 8:44 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Chart plotter problem



Sounds like the voltage regulator is defective.  A VOLTAGE REGULATOR regulates 
the charging voltage that the alternator produces, keeping it between 13.5 and 
14.5 volts to protect the electrical. Your alternator voltage is too high 
overcharging battery.  When you turn off engine it is taking a few minutes for 
voltage to drop to normal level.   If you turn off engine at end of trip and no 
drain on battery voltage may be too high when you restart.   I would guess that 
this is what is happening.  

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:21 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List  
wrote:



I have posted about this problem before, but still have not solved it.  I have 
been struggling with a electrical system problem since I upgraded my 
electronics two years ago.  I installed a Seatalk network, Raymarine EV-100 
autopilot and B Zeus T8 chart plotter.  The problem is that periodically, the 
Zeus behaves like it has a mind of its own. The unit will begin beeping while 
the touchscreen acts like someone is activating menus and commands randomly.  
All kinds of problem ensue from that let alone that you can’t use the controls 
while it is happening.  It happens intermittently, sometimes with engine on and 
sometimes off and I have not been able to identify the source.  One of the 
things I have noticed is that it happens more often (but not exclusively) when 
the engine is running. Last weekend, I had an incident of this that might help 
someone understand it. I unplugged the Seatalk cable to the chart plotter to 
see if it had anything to do with the network (it doesn’t).  I had the chart 
plotter on for about 45 minutes while I did other things and all was fine.  
Then I started the engine and the Zeus immediately began beeping and randomly 
activating menus.  This continued for the time I had the engine running (about 
15 minutes).   So that would seem to point toward something people have 
suggested before- noise in the electrical system from the alternator.  Here is 
what I don’t understand- I shut the engine off and the problem persisted with 
decreasing frequency for another 10 minutes or so and eventually stopped and it 
worked fine thereafter.  If this were an alternator problem, is there some way 
it could persist for so long after the engine was shut down.Dave



Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT






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Re: Stus-List Birds

[David via CnC-List]

Good point...

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 14:01:37 +
Subject: Re: Stus-List Birds
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: mike.h...@impgroup.com









David
 
I thought about something sharp on top of spreaders but wonder how that would 
affect spinnaker if there was a slightly messy douse.
 
Mike
 


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of David via CnC-List

Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:42 AM

To: CNC CNC

Cc: David

Subject: Re: Stus-List Birds


 

We too have bird problems...



I tie fishing line from VHF antennae to tri-color to anemometer to Windex.



I also have three lengths of fishing line emanating from the base of the 4 
spreaders to the shrouds in increasing height.



Seems to work.



I will also add pins to spreaders as well.



David F. Risch

1981 40-2

(401) 419-4650 (cell)





> To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com

> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:24:17 -0300

> Subject: Stus-List Birds

> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

> CC: robertabb...@eastlink.ca

> 

> I have had a boat on the same mooring for the past 20 years but have 

> never experienced a problem with birds crapping on it like recently. 

> Over the years I have the occasional bird incident however a few weeks 

> back, I went out to the boat and it was a mess.the whole top of the 

> main sail cover was loaded, cabin top, the starboard deck back, bimini, 

> the cockpit, the binnacle.the worst mess I have ever encountered. 

> And it was a hot day and the smell was unbearable.I couldn't get the 

> boat into a slip fast enough to get access to a hose and fresh water. 

> 2 1/2 hours cleaning the boat.

> 

> Sh_t happens, I know. But the next day I go out and the same thing. So 

> I begin my anti-bird tactics.streamers everywhere, a rope from the 

> mast to the topping lift about 6 inches above the main sail cover with 

> streamers every few inches on the rope...piled my 3 fenders on top 

> of the sliding hatch.crossed lines across the cockpit. Got relief 

> for a few days but then they were back.

> 

> Every day for a few weeks I had to come into a slip and hose/clean the 

> boat before I could go for a sail.

> 

> Then I got an idea..I got a piece of plastic netting 14' X 14' and 

> tied it to the toe rails and ran it up over the mainsail cover on top of 

> the rope about 8" above the boom. The boat was virtually protected from 

> the mast back to the cockpit. No way the birds could get aboard now.

> 

> Wrong! Two days in a row the main sail cover, cabin top/coach roof and 

> the cockpit was crapped on. Can't explain how seagulls and cormorants 

> could land on top of the netting 8" above the main sail cover but 

> somehow they did. The yard staff that took me to my boat both days 

> said "It must have been a fly by!" It was funny but I did not find it 

> funny.

> 

> So I moved the boat into a slip for the remainder of the season..I 

> couldn't take it any more. The birds broke my fighting spirit.

> 

> If it happens again next season, I will get a different mooring or keep 

> the boat at a slip.

> 

> Has anyone perfected a solution to keep birds off their boats?

> 

> Rob Abbott

> AZURA

> C 32 - 84

> Halifax, N.S.

> 

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Re: Stus-List RC issues.

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

I used to race twice a week. The first 10 years or so that had the C I was 
pretty intense about the whole thing. Never missed a race, obsessing over the 
wetted surface, harder on my crew than I should have been, etc. Our club has 
pretty much gone to a one design (Soling) over the last 5 years  although there 
is still a sparse PHRF fleet. I have been less interested partly because of 
that and partly for reasons unrelated to the club. I have a C project in 
Florida that has my attention for now. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Kevin Driscoll  wrote: 
http://www.answers.com/Q/What_exactly_does_the_Sailboat_racing_term_a_bullet_mean_start_first_round_first_finish_first_or_just_finish_first?#slide=2

Do you race much Steve?

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 2:30 PM Steve Thomas via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> What do you mean by "the RC gets a bullet" ?
> I mean, I get it that there is supposed to be a gun culture in certain
> places, but I am guessing you are using the word as a scoring term that I
> am not familiar with.
>
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>


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Re: Stus-List Chart plotter problem

[Rodney Meryweather via CnC-List]

David
  This sounds like one of two issues but most likely an electrical sign 
wave issue, with possible EMI interference also. 
   I have seen this before. Either shield your power cable (takes care of 
EMI) or and I recommend this, put a power conditioner in front of all of your 
electronics. 
  It does not sound like you are to a point of a brown out yet(kills 
electronic components) but a conditioner will give them a stable signal. 

Rod Meryweather 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2016, at 08:21, David Knecht  wrote:
> 
> I have posted about this problem before, but still have not solved it.  I 
> have been struggling with a electrical system problem since I upgraded my 
> electronics two years ago.  I installed a Seatalk network, Raymarine EV-100 
> autopilot and B Zeus T8 chart plotter.  The problem is that periodically, 
> the Zeus behaves like it has a mind of its own. The unit will begin beeping 
> while the touchscreen acts like someone is activating menus and commands 
> randomly.  All kinds of problem ensue from that let alone that you can’t use 
> the controls while it is happening.  It happens intermittently, sometimes 
> with engine on and sometimes off and I have not been able to identify the 
> source.  One of the things I have noticed is that it happens more often (but 
> not exclusively) when the engine is running. Last weekend, I had an incident 
> of this that might help someone understand it. I unplugged the Seatalk cable 
> to the chart plotter to see if it had anything to do with the network (it 
> doesn’t).  I had the chart plotter on for about 45 minutes while I did other 
> things and all was fine.  Then I started the engine and the Zeus immediately 
> began beeping and randomly activating menus.  This continued for the time I 
> had the engine running (about 15 minutes).   So that would seem to point 
> toward something people have suggested before- noise in the electrical system 
> from the alternator.  Here is what I don’t understand- I shut the engine off 
> and the problem persisted with decreasing frequency for another 10 minutes or 
> so and eventually stopped and it worked fine thereafter.  If this were an 
> alternator problem, is there some way it could persist for so long after the 
> engine was shut down.Dave
> 
> Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Keel bolts

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Taps drill out holes and add threads.
Dies thread rods/bolts. A die would be used on a keelbolt ;)
Joe
Coquina

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:07 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel bolts

Colin

On a previous boat on keel bolt suffered from "Galling" (look it up).  It was 
at the threads exactly where the nut is when tightened and resulted in the nut 
spinning and not tightening.  Inside the keel there was no problem.  A local 
machine shop took the threads down to the next smallest size and then used a 
larger fender washer.  Think Tap and Die but whichever term means rethreading 
the bolt.  I believe that they went from the current imperial size to the very 
close but a bit smaller metric size (or vice versa).

If the problem is within the keel it is a much bigger problem.

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Colin 
Binkley via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 10:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Colin Binkley
Subject: Stus-List Keel bolts


Certainly there must be a way to flush and secure corroded keel bolts other 
than off to the foundry. 

Colin
SV Lindsey Layne
71 C 40C #3
Presently in Great Lakes
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Re: Stus-List Keel bolts

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Colin

On a previous boat on keel bolt suffered from "Galling" (look it up).  It was 
at the threads exactly where the nut is when tightened and resulted in the nut 
spinning and not tightening.  Inside the keel there was no problem.  A local 
machine shop took the threads down to the next smallest size and then used a 
larger fender washer.  Think Tap and Die but whichever term means rethreading 
the bolt.  I believe that they went from the current imperial size to the very 
close but a bit smaller metric size (or vice versa).

If the problem is within the keel it is a much bigger problem.

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Colin 
Binkley via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 10:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Colin Binkley
Subject: Stus-List Keel bolts


Certainly there must be a way to flush and secure corroded keel bolts other 
than off to the foundry. 

Colin
SV Lindsey Layne
71 C 40C #3
Presently in Great Lakes
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Re: Stus-List Birds

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

All,

I tried that plastic owl thing. After two weeks, I saw a seagull standing in 
front of the plastic owl. You could almost hear him say “Come on. Get me. Let 
me see you try.” 

Streamers and wire tend to be very effective. The problem is that once the 
birds start using your deck to eat and poop, they consider it a safe place and 
will come back. I’ve heard of people having very good results using a bird 
repellant spray on their deck. If the birds don’t like the smell, they’ll go to 
someone else’s boat. 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 




> On Sep 30, 2016, at 9:48 AM, RANDY via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> I haven't had the bird poop problem on my boat, but other boats in my marina 
> use big plastic owls tied to the backstay and boom.  Those owners must think 
> that's effective.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy
> 
> From: "robert via CnC-List" 
> To: "cnc-list" 
> Cc: "robert" 
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 7:24:17 AM
> Subject: Stus-List Birds
> 
> I have had a boat on the same mooring for the past 20 years but have 
> never experienced a problem with birds crapping on it like recently.  
> Over the years I have the occasional bird incident however a few weeks 
> back, I went out to the boat and it was a mess.the whole top of the 
> main sail cover was loaded, cabin top, the starboard deck back, bimini, 
> the cockpit, the binnacle.the worst mess I have ever encountered.  
> And it was a hot day and the smell was unbearable.I couldn't get the 
> boat into a slip fast enough to get access to a hose and fresh water.   
> 2 1/2 hours cleaning the boat.
> 
> Sh_t happens, I know.  But the next day I go out and the same thing.  So 
> I begin my anti-bird tactics.streamers everywhere, a rope from the 
> mast to the topping lift about 6 inches above the main sail cover  with 
> streamers every few inches on the rope...piled my 3 fenders on top 
> of the sliding hatch.crossed lines across the cockpit.   Got relief 
> for a few days but then they were back.
> 
> Every day for a few weeks I had to come into a slip and hose/clean the 
> boat before I could go for a sail.
> 
> Then I got an idea..I got a piece of plastic netting 14' X 14' and 
> tied it to the toe rails and ran it up over the mainsail cover on top of 
> the rope about 8" above the boom.  The boat was virtually protected from 
> the mast back to the cockpit.  No way the birds could get aboard now.
> 
> Wrong!  Two days in a row the main sail cover, cabin top/coach roof and 
> the cockpit was crapped on.  Can't explain how seagulls and cormorants 
> could land on top of the netting 8" above the main sail cover but 
> somehow they did.   The yard staff that took me to my boat both days 
> said "It must have been a fly by!"  It was funny but I did not find it 
> funny.
> 
> So I moved the boat into a slip for the remainder of the season..I 
> couldn't take it any more.   The birds broke my fighting spirit.
> 
> If it happens again next season, I will get a different mooring or keep 
> the boat at a slip.
> 
> Has anyone perfected a solution to keep birds off their boats?
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 

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Re: Stus-List Birds

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

David

I thought about something sharp on top of spreaders but wonder how that would 
affect spinnaker if there was a slightly messy douse.

Mike

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:42 AM
To: CNC CNC
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Stus-List Birds

We too have bird problems...

I tie fishing line from VHF antennae to tri-color to anemometer to Windex.

I also have three lengths of fishing line emanating from the base of the 4 
spreaders to the shrouds in increasing height.

Seems to work.

I will also add pins to spreaders as well.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)

> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:24:17 -0300
> Subject: Stus-List Birds
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: robertabb...@eastlink.ca
>
> I have had a boat on the same mooring for the past 20 years but have
> never experienced a problem with birds crapping on it like recently.
> Over the years I have the occasional bird incident however a few weeks
> back, I went out to the boat and it was a mess.the whole top of the
> main sail cover was loaded, cabin top, the starboard deck back, bimini,
> the cockpit, the binnacle.the worst mess I have ever encountered.
> And it was a hot day and the smell was unbearable.I couldn't get the
> boat into a slip fast enough to get access to a hose and fresh water.
> 2 1/2 hours cleaning the boat.
>
> Sh_t happens, I know. But the next day I go out and the same thing. So
> I begin my anti-bird tactics.streamers everywhere, a rope from the
> mast to the topping lift about 6 inches above the main sail cover with
> streamers every few inches on the rope...piled my 3 fenders on top
> of the sliding hatch.crossed lines across the cockpit. Got relief
> for a few days but then they were back.
>
> Every day for a few weeks I had to come into a slip and hose/clean the
> boat before I could go for a sail.
>
> Then I got an idea..I got a piece of plastic netting 14' X 14' and
> tied it to the toe rails and ran it up over the mainsail cover on top of
> the rope about 8" above the boom. The boat was virtually protected from
> the mast back to the cockpit. No way the birds could get aboard now.
>
> Wrong! Two days in a row the main sail cover, cabin top/coach roof and
> the cockpit was crapped on. Can't explain how seagulls and cormorants
> could land on top of the netting 8" above the main sail cover but
> somehow they did. The yard staff that took me to my boat both days
> said "It must have been a fly by!" It was funny but I did not find it
> funny.
>
> So I moved the boat into a slip for the remainder of the season..I
> couldn't take it any more. The birds broke my fighting spirit.
>
> If it happens again next season, I will get a different mooring or keep
> the boat at a slip.
>
> Has anyone perfected a solution to keep birds off their boats?
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Birds

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Rob

At the slip we get crows.  They seem to like the port lower spreader for some 
reason.  Is less bad now (probably because of your Osprey) but is common at our 
slip.  Poopp is limited mostly to port deck beside mast and occasionally on 
mainsail cover.  Bimini is usually fine because it is in my garage

Mike
Persistence
Halifax
(30 feet from Rob's boat)

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Birds

I have had a boat on the same mooring for the past 20 years but have never 
experienced a problem with birds crapping on it like recently.  
Over the years I have the occasional bird incident however a few weeks back, I 
went out to the boat and it was a mess.the whole top of the main sail cover 
was loaded, cabin top, the starboard deck back, bimini, the cockpit, the 
binnacle.the worst mess I have ever encountered.  
And it was a hot day and the smell was unbearable.I couldn't get the 
boat into a slip fast enough to get access to a hose and fresh water.   
2 1/2 hours cleaning the boat.

Sh_t happens, I know.  But the next day I go out and the same thing.  So I 
begin my anti-bird tactics.streamers everywhere, a rope from the mast to 
the topping lift about 6 inches above the main sail cover  with streamers every 
few inches on the rope...piled my 3 fenders on top 
of the sliding hatch.crossed lines across the cockpit.   Got relief 
for a few days but then they were back.

Every day for a few weeks I had to come into a slip and hose/clean the boat 
before I could go for a sail.

Then I got an idea..I got a piece of plastic netting 14' X 14' and tied it 
to the toe rails and ran it up over the mainsail cover on top of the rope about 
8" above the boom.  The boat was virtually protected from the mast back to the 
cockpit.  No way the birds could get aboard now.

Wrong!  Two days in a row the main sail cover, cabin top/coach roof and the 
cockpit was crapped on.  Can't explain how seagulls and cormorants could land 
on top of the netting 8" above the main sail cover but 
somehow they did.   The yard staff that took me to my boat both days 
said "It must have been a fly by!"  It was funny but I did not find it funny.

So I moved the boat into a slip for the remainder of the season..I 
couldn't take it any more.   The birds broke my fighting spirit.

If it happens again next season, I will get a different mooring or keep the 
boat at a slip.

Has anyone perfected a solution to keep birds off their boats?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


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Stus-List Birds

[robert via CnC-List]

A month ago, I had an osprey mangle my Windex so bad it could not be 
straightened out.I put on a new one with a 'spike' on top..so 
far it has worked.


My bird problem (bird crap) is at the base of the mast, not at the top.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2016-09-30 10:42 AM, David via CnC-List wrote:

We too have bird problems...

I tie fishing line from VHF antennae to tri-color to anemometer to Windex.

I also have three lengths of fishing line emanating from the base of 
the 4 spreaders to the shrouds in increasing height.


Seems to work.

I will also add pins to spreaders as well.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


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Stus-List Birds

[robert via CnC-List]

I saw these plastic 'owls' at Canadian Tire..a fellow club member 
told me he knew of a boat owner that tried it..said it worked for a 
few days until the gulls/cormorants figured out it wasn't real.


Rob

On 2016-09-30 10:48 AM, RANDY wrote:
I haven't had the bird poop problem on my boat, but other boats in my 
marina use big plastic owls tied to the backstay and boom.  Those 
owners must think that's effective.


Cheers,
Randy


*From: *"robert via CnC-List" 
*To: *"cnc-list" 
*Cc: *"robert" 
*Sent: *Friday, September 30, 2016 7:24:17 AM
*Subject: *Stus-List Birds

I have had a boat on the same mooring for the past 20 years but have
never experienced a problem with birds crapping on it like recently.
Over the years I have the occasional bird incident however a few weeks
back, I went out to the boat and it was a mess.the whole top of the
main sail cover was loaded, cabin top, the starboard deck back, bimini,
the cockpit, the binnacle.the worst mess I have ever encountered.
And it was a hot day and the smell was unbearable.I couldn't get the
boat into a slip fast enough to get access to a hose and fresh water.
2 1/2 hours cleaning the boat.

Sh_t happens, I know.  But the next day I go out and the same thing.  So
I begin my anti-bird tactics.streamers everywhere, a rope from the
mast to the topping lift about 6 inches above the main sail cover  with
streamers every few inches on the rope...piled my 3 fenders on top
of the sliding hatch.crossed lines across the cockpit. Got relief
for a few days but then they were back.

Every day for a few weeks I had to come into a slip and hose/clean the
boat before I could go for a sail.

Then I got an idea..I got a piece of plastic netting 14' X 14' and
tied it to the toe rails and ran it up over the mainsail cover on top of
the rope about 8" above the boom.  The boat was virtually protected from
the mast back to the cockpit.  No way the birds could get aboard now.

Wrong!  Two days in a row the main sail cover, cabin top/coach roof and
the cockpit was crapped on.  Can't explain how seagulls and cormorants
could land on top of the netting 8" above the main sail cover but
somehow they did.   The yard staff that took me to my boat both days
said "It must have been a fly by!"  It was funny but I did not find it
funny.

So I moved the boat into a slip for the remainder of the season..I
couldn't take it any more.   The birds broke my fighting spirit.

If it happens again next season, I will get a different mooring or keep
the boat at a slip.

Has anyone perfected a solution to keep birds off their boats?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


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Re: Stus-List Birds

[RANDY via CnC-List]

I haven't had the bird poop problem on my boat, but other boats in my marina 
use big plastic owls tied to the backstay and boom. Those owners must think 
that's effective. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "robert via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "robert"  
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 7:24:17 AM 
Subject: Stus-List Birds 

I have had a boat on the same mooring for the past 20 years but have 
never experienced a problem with birds crapping on it like recently. 
Over the years I have the occasional bird incident however a few weeks 
back, I went out to the boat and it was a mess.the whole top of the 
main sail cover was loaded, cabin top, the starboard deck back, bimini, 
the cockpit, the binnacle.the worst mess I have ever encountered. 
And it was a hot day and the smell was unbearable.I couldn't get the 
boat into a slip fast enough to get access to a hose and fresh water. 
2 1/2 hours cleaning the boat. 

Sh_t happens, I know. But the next day I go out and the same thing. So 
I begin my anti-bird tactics.streamers everywhere, a rope from the 
mast to the topping lift about 6 inches above the main sail cover with 
streamers every few inches on the rope...piled my 3 fenders on top 
of the sliding hatch.crossed lines across the cockpit. Got relief 
for a few days but then they were back. 

Every day for a few weeks I had to come into a slip and hose/clean the 
boat before I could go for a sail. 

Then I got an idea..I got a piece of plastic netting 14' X 14' and 
tied it to the toe rails and ran it up over the mainsail cover on top of 
the rope about 8" above the boom. The boat was virtually protected from 
the mast back to the cockpit. No way the birds could get aboard now. 

Wrong! Two days in a row the main sail cover, cabin top/coach roof and 
the cockpit was crapped on. Can't explain how seagulls and cormorants 
could land on top of the netting 8" above the main sail cover but 
somehow they did. The yard staff that took me to my boat both days 
said "It must have been a fly by!" It was funny but I did not find it 
funny. 

So I moved the boat into a slip for the remainder of the season..I 
couldn't take it any more. The birds broke my fighting spirit. 

If it happens again next season, I will get a different mooring or keep 
the boat at a slip. 

Has anyone perfected a solution to keep birds off their boats? 

Rob Abbott 
AZURA 
C 32 - 84 
Halifax, N.S. 


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Re: Stus-List Birds

[David via CnC-List]

We too have bird problems...

I tie fishing line from VHF antennae to tri-color to anemometer to Windex.

I also have three lengths of fishing line emanating from the base of the 4 
spreaders to the shrouds in increasing height.

Seems to work.

I will also add pins to spreaders as well.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:24:17 -0300
> Subject: Stus-List Birds
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: robertabb...@eastlink.ca
> 
> I have had a boat on the same mooring for the past 20 years but have 
> never experienced a problem with birds crapping on it like recently.  
> Over the years I have the occasional bird incident however a few weeks 
> back, I went out to the boat and it was a mess.the whole top of the 
> main sail cover was loaded, cabin top, the starboard deck back, bimini, 
> the cockpit, the binnacle.the worst mess I have ever encountered.  
> And it was a hot day and the smell was unbearable.I couldn't get the 
> boat into a slip fast enough to get access to a hose and fresh water.   
> 2 1/2 hours cleaning the boat.
> 
> Sh_t happens, I know.  But the next day I go out and the same thing.  So 
> I begin my anti-bird tactics.streamers everywhere, a rope from the 
> mast to the topping lift about 6 inches above the main sail cover  with 
> streamers every few inches on the rope...piled my 3 fenders on top 
> of the sliding hatch.crossed lines across the cockpit.   Got relief 
> for a few days but then they were back.
> 
> Every day for a few weeks I had to come into a slip and hose/clean the 
> boat before I could go for a sail.
> 
> Then I got an idea..I got a piece of plastic netting 14' X 14' and 
> tied it to the toe rails and ran it up over the mainsail cover on top of 
> the rope about 8" above the boom.  The boat was virtually protected from 
> the mast back to the cockpit.  No way the birds could get aboard now.
> 
> Wrong!  Two days in a row the main sail cover, cabin top/coach roof and 
> the cockpit was crapped on.  Can't explain how seagulls and cormorants 
> could land on top of the netting 8" above the main sail cover but 
> somehow they did.   The yard staff that took me to my boat both days 
> said "It must have been a fly by!"  It was funny but I did not find it 
> funny.
> 
> So I moved the boat into a slip for the remainder of the season..I 
> couldn't take it any more.   The birds broke my fighting spirit.
> 
> If it happens again next season, I will get a different mooring or keep 
> the boat at a slip.
> 
> Has anyone perfected a solution to keep birds off their boats?
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Chart plotter problem

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

Thinking out of the box here.

The way the alternator is wired in and the state of charge of your battery may 
be adding to the randomness of the problem.
If the output of the alternator is a heavy gauge short run directly to the 
battery or the positive stud on the starter then the
battery will damping out a lot of the alternator's noise - voltage spikes - 
variable output.

That may not be the way your boat is wired. Another common wiring was to use a 
smaller gauge wire ( 14 ? ) that runs back
to an instrument panel, through an ammeter, then forward again to a terminal 
block ( or starter stud ). That is fine for the
intended purpose of charging the battery but not as good for damping out 
alternator noise. The ammeter may have a wire
wound shunt that could act as a wonderful noise antenna. If the battery is 
discharged then you will get a good current running
which might increase the energy in the wiring. If the battery is fully charged 
from being on a shore power charger than it may
not be accepting much current and not dampening much.

I have no idea how difficult this is but you could test by loosening the 
alternator belt and starting the engine. Try it a couple of
times, then a couple of times with the belt tight.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1


Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:21:34 -0400 
From: David Knecht  

I have posted about this problem before, but still have not solved it.  I have 
been struggling with a electrical system problem since I upgraded my 
electronics two years ago.  I installed a Seatalk network, Raymarine EV-100 
autopilot and B Zeus T8 chart plotter.  The problem is that periodically, the 
Zeus behaves like it has a mind of its own. The unit will begin beeping while 
the touchscreen acts like someone is activating menus and commands randomly.  
All kinds of problem ensue from that let alone that you can?t use the controls 
while it is happening.  It happens intermittently, sometimes with engine on and 
sometimes off and I have not been able to identify the source.  One of the 
things I have noticed is that it happens more often (but not exclusively) when 
the engine is running. Last weekend, I had an incident of this that might help 
someone understand it. I unplugged the Seatalk cable to the chart plotter to 
see if it had anything to do with the network (it doesn?t).  I had the
 chart plotter on for about 45 minutes while I did other things and all was 
fine.  Then I started the engine and the Zeus immediately began beeping and 
randomly activating menus.  This continued for the time I had the engine 
running (about 15 minutes).   So that would seem to point toward something 
people have suggested before- noise in the electrical system from the 
alternator.  Here is what I don?t understand- I shut the engine off and the 
problem persisted with decreasing frequency for another 10 minutes or so and 
eventually stopped and it worked fine thereafter.  If this were an alternator 
problem, is there some way it could persist for so long after the engine was 
shut down.    Dave 
 
Aries 
1990 C 34+ 
New London, CT 
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Stus-List Birds

[robert via CnC-List]

I have had a boat on the same mooring for the past 20 years but have 
never experienced a problem with birds crapping on it like recently.  
Over the years I have the occasional bird incident however a few weeks 
back, I went out to the boat and it was a mess.the whole top of the 
main sail cover was loaded, cabin top, the starboard deck back, bimini, 
the cockpit, the binnacle.the worst mess I have ever encountered.  
And it was a hot day and the smell was unbearable.I couldn't get the 
boat into a slip fast enough to get access to a hose and fresh water.   
2 1/2 hours cleaning the boat.


Sh_t happens, I know.  But the next day I go out and the same thing.  So 
I begin my anti-bird tactics.streamers everywhere, a rope from the 
mast to the topping lift about 6 inches above the main sail cover  with 
streamers every few inches on the rope...piled my 3 fenders on top 
of the sliding hatch.crossed lines across the cockpit.   Got relief 
for a few days but then they were back.


Every day for a few weeks I had to come into a slip and hose/clean the 
boat before I could go for a sail.


Then I got an idea..I got a piece of plastic netting 14' X 14' and 
tied it to the toe rails and ran it up over the mainsail cover on top of 
the rope about 8" above the boom.  The boat was virtually protected from 
the mast back to the cockpit.  No way the birds could get aboard now.


Wrong!  Two days in a row the main sail cover, cabin top/coach roof and 
the cockpit was crapped on.  Can't explain how seagulls and cormorants 
could land on top of the netting 8" above the main sail cover but 
somehow they did.   The yard staff that took me to my boat both days 
said "It must have been a fly by!"  It was funny but I did not find it 
funny.


So I moved the boat into a slip for the remainder of the season..I 
couldn't take it any more.   The birds broke my fighting spirit.


If it happens again next season, I will get a different mooring or keep 
the boat at a slip.


Has anyone perfected a solution to keep birds off their boats?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


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Re: Stus-List RC issues

[Indigo via CnC-List]

I have been "listening" to this discussion for a few days. 

I think it is deplorable and disheartening to see that the "corinthian" spirit 
and "volunteerism" is disappearing from sailing. 

I believe that most of us, if we race at all, race in mid-week "beer can" races 
where for most part the rewards are having fun, the post-race bbq, and 
occasionally bragging rights of winning a race or perhaps a series. 

My club used to use a 100% volunteer RC for the big boats  Skippers (and other 
members of the club) were "arm-twisted" into signing up for one or two races 
during the season. Those skippers who volunteered time to act as RC for junior 
regattas (all day or multiple days) were exempted. No "reward" in terms of a 
replacement finish place was ever offered. (I should say that our 
"qualification" criteria in terms of % of races sailed is quite low so to miss 
a race is not catastrophic). 

I really liked this system and wanted it to continue as it gave all skippers 
experience on how difficult it can be to set a square line, read the forecast 
so that boats can finish before time limits, etc etc.   Much less likely to 
criticize the the RC if you've done the job and made mistakes yourself!!

However, a Race Chair (whose responsibility it was to set up the RC schedule, 
decided for two reasons to change the system. His first reason was that it took 
too much time to cajole / arm twist at the start of the season. Secondly, he 
felt that having very inexperienced PRO's each week, detracted from the quality 
of the racing (he is a high-performing racer who treated Wed night races as 
though they were national championships!). He therefore changed the system and 
hired a high-school sailing coach to act as PRO (other RC spots are still 
volunteer).   The costs of the PRO are supposed to be covered this by a small 
levy to the skippers - but to my knowledge, the Club never sent out the bills!! 

So there are different ways to skin the cat. My preference - a fully volunteer 
RC staffed by skippers and some of their crew - with no artificial "race 
position" - but with a sufficiently low series qualification criteria to allow 
the lack of score in the missed race not to matter. 

--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Sep 29, 2016, at 22:41, Martin 'Mac' McKenzie via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> At our club, each boat is assigned a night to do RC. If they do their night 
> they are scored their average for the series. If they do not show up the get 
> a non discarable DSQ.
> 
> Mac McKenzie
> Worthy Pearl
> C 37 Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Chart plotter problem

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Hi Dave,
 I still think you have a noise/grounding problem.  If noise gets into
one of the inputs, say the NMEA, there is usually a buffer to handle
excessive inputs.  If that buffer gets overloaded, the chart plotter might
act goofy until the buffer gets emptied.  I would make sure you have a
single point grounding system that all goes back to one ground point.  Make
sure all connections are tight.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 8:21 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have posted about this problem before, but still have not solved it.  I
> have been struggling with a electrical system problem since I upgraded my
> electronics two years ago.  I installed a Seatalk network, Raymarine EV-100
> autopilot and B Zeus T8 chart plotter.  The problem is that periodically,
> the Zeus behaves like it has a mind of its own. The unit will begin beeping
> while the touchscreen acts like someone is activating menus and commands
> randomly.  All kinds of problem ensue from that let alone that you can’t
> use the controls while it is happening.  It happens intermittently,
> sometimes with engine on and sometimes off and I have not been able to
> identify the source.  One of the things I have noticed is that it happens
> more often (but not exclusively) when the engine is running. Last weekend,
> I had an incident of this that might help someone understand it. I
> unplugged the Seatalk cable to the chart plotter to see if it had anything
> to do with the network (it doesn’t).  I had the chart plotter on for about
> 45 minutes while I did other things and all was fine.  Then I started the
> engine and the Zeus immediately began beeping and randomly activating
> menus.  This continued for the time I had the engine running (about 15
> minutes).   So that would seem to point toward something people have
> suggested before- noise in the electrical system from the alternator.  Here
> is what I don’t understand- I shut the engine off and the problem persisted
> with decreasing frequency for another 10 minutes or so and eventually
> stopped and it worked fine thereafter.  If this were an alternator problem,
> is there some way it could persist for so long after the engine was shut
> down.Dave
>
> Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
>
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> Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Re: Stus-List Chart plotter problem

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

Sounds like the voltage regulator is defective.  A VOLTAGE REGULATOR regulates 
the charging voltage that the alternator produces, keeping it between 13.5 and 
14.5 volts to protect the electrical. Your alternator voltage is too high 
overcharging battery.  When you turn off engine it is taking a few minutes for 
voltage to drop to normal level.   If you turn off engine at end of trip and no 
drain on battery voltage may be too high when you restart.   I would guess that 
this is what is happening.  

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> On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:21 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have posted about this problem before, but still have not solved it.  I 
> have been struggling with a electrical system problem since I upgraded my 
> electronics two years ago.  I installed a Seatalk network, Raymarine EV-100 
> autopilot and B Zeus T8 chart plotter.  The problem is that periodically, 
> the Zeus behaves like it has a mind of its own. The unit will begin beeping 
> while the touchscreen acts like someone is activating menus and commands 
> randomly.  All kinds of problem ensue from that let alone that you can’t use 
> the controls while it is happening.  It happens intermittently, sometimes 
> with engine on and sometimes off and I have not been able to identify the 
> source.  One of the things I have noticed is that it happens more often (but 
> not exclusively) when the engine is running. Last weekend, I had an incident 
> of this that might help someone understand it. I unplugged the Seatalk cable 
> to the chart plotter to see if it had anything to do with the network (it 
> doesn’t).  I had the chart plotter on for about 45 minutes while I did other 
> things and all was fine.  Then I started the engine and the Zeus immediately 
> began beeping and randomly activating menus.  This continued for the time I 
> had the engine running (about 15 minutes).   So that would seem to point 
> toward something people have suggested before- noise in the electrical system 
> from the alternator.  Here is what I don’t understand- I shut the engine off 
> and the problem persisted with decreasing frequency for another 10 minutes or 
> so and eventually stopped and it worked fine thereafter.  If this were an 
> alternator problem, is there some way it could persist for so long after the 
> engine was shut down.Dave
> 
> Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Chart plotter problem

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Sure – the noise could load up a buffer with various commands that take some 
time to execute.
Have you tried any filters or scoping the alternator output?
My old Toyota Avalon had an issue with the alternator where it was charging 
poorly and putting enough noise out to make the ABS and traction control 
randomly trip offline.
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 8:22 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: Stus-List Chart plotter problem

I have posted about this problem before, but still have not solved it.  I have 
been struggling with a electrical system problem since I upgraded my 
electronics two years ago.  I installed a Seatalk network, Raymarine EV-100 
autopilot and B Zeus T8 chart plotter.  The problem is that periodically, the 
Zeus behaves like it has a mind of its own. The unit will begin beeping while 
the touchscreen acts like someone is activating menus and commands randomly.  
All kinds of problem ensue from that let alone that you can’t use the controls 
while it is happening.  It happens intermittently, sometimes with engine on and 
sometimes off and I have not been able to identify the source.  One of the 
things I have noticed is that it happens more often (but not exclusively) when 
the engine is running. Last weekend, I had an incident of this that might help 
someone understand it. I unplugged the Seatalk cable to the chart plotter to 
see if it had anything to do with the network (it doesn’t).  I had the chart 
plotter on for about 45 minutes while I did other things and all was fine.  
Then I started the engine and the Zeus immediately began beeping and randomly 
activating menus.  This continued for the time I had the engine running (about 
15 minutes).   So that would seem to point toward something people have 
suggested before- noise in the electrical system from the alternator.  Here is 
what I don’t understand- I shut the engine off and the problem persisted with 
decreasing frequency for another 10 minutes or so and eventually stopped and it 
worked fine thereafter.  If this were an alternator problem, is there some way 
it could persist for so long after the engine was shut down.Dave

Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

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Stus-List Chart plotter problem

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I have posted about this problem before, but still have not solved it.  I have 
been struggling with a electrical system problem since I upgraded my 
electronics two years ago.  I installed a Seatalk network, Raymarine EV-100 
autopilot and B Zeus T8 chart plotter.  The problem is that periodically, the 
Zeus behaves like it has a mind of its own. The unit will begin beeping while 
the touchscreen acts like someone is activating menus and commands randomly.  
All kinds of problem ensue from that let alone that you can’t use the controls 
while it is happening.  It happens intermittently, sometimes with engine on and 
sometimes off and I have not been able to identify the source.  One of the 
things I have noticed is that it happens more often (but not exclusively) when 
the engine is running. Last weekend, I had an incident of this that might help 
someone understand it. I unplugged the Seatalk cable to the chart plotter to 
see if it had anything to do with the network (it doesn’t).  I had the chart 
plotter on for about 45 minutes while I did other things and all was fine.  
Then I started the engine and the Zeus immediately began beeping and randomly 
activating menus.  This continued for the time I had the engine running (about 
15 minutes).   So that would seem to point toward something people have 
suggested before- noise in the electrical system from the alternator.  Here is 
what I don’t understand- I shut the engine off and the problem persisted with 
decreasing frequency for another 10 minutes or so and eventually stopped and it 
worked fine thereafter.  If this were an alternator problem, is there some way 
it could persist for so long after the engine was shut down.Dave

Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List Annapolis boat show / DC

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I live on Kent Island – hotels book up fast over here. I would check this 
morning!
I hate to say this, but I am not sure I would ride the Metro right now. They 
are in the middle of the “Safe Track” program to try and catch up on about 20 
years of deferred maintenance. There are all kinds of intentional track 
shutdowns, early closings, etc. etc. besides for the unplanned issues with 
short circuits and other malfunctions.
Joe
Coquina
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 9:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Annapolis boat show / DC

Try the BWI airport hotels or look on Kent Island. If you want Metro access to 
DC try Landover hotels. I know someone who does Airbnb in Galesville about 10 
miles south of the show.

Joel

On Thursday, September 29, 2016, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Are you tracking Matthew? It may be moot!

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Sep 29, 2016, at 21:27, Dave via CnC-List 
> > wrote:
>
> Not C content specifically but am hoping for local guidance.
> Was planning a driving trip with the family to dc, long weekend, including a 
> part day at the Annapolis boat show.
> Have  struck out on appropriate accommodations in dc - hoping for something 
> nw and near the metro.  Any other towns/areas that could save as a base?  Was 
> looking at rental places on VRBO and the like.
>
> Thoughts appreciated.  Dave
>
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