Re: Stus-List 12 volt desktop compter

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

One other thing to consider if using an older machine that will never be 
connected to the internet, is that the earlier versions of older than the most 
recent Microsoft operating system will boot much quicker than an older version 
loaded down with the most recent updates available. If an original operating 
system distribution disk is available, then try doing a complete re-install. It 
may be necessary to go on the internet to re-register the software, but you can 
set so that it will not update before doing that. 

Steve Thomas 

 Joel Aronson via CnC-List  wrote: 
Josh,

The one problem I ran into was getting power to it.  The ThinkPad Stick 300
is cheaper (Atom processor) and is USB powered.  My current leading
candidate.

Joel

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I looked at the CS-325.  Seems like a lot of horse power for such small
> tasks.  Then again I'm cheap.  I've never bought a new car, and my current
> one is a 1998.  My boat is a 1989.  I'm running $100 ebay laptops that are
> probably at least 10 years old throughout the house and boat.  I'm using a
> 15 year old chartplotter attached to 20 year old sailing instruments.  My
> phone is a Galaxy S4 and I only upgraded because my Galaxy S1 got wet.  My
> directv tivo box is original to the 12 year old plan and my TV doesn't have
> HDMI.  But you know what?  They all work quite satisfactorily.
>
> So, yes the CS-325 looks like a nice piece of hardware.  I would
> investigate the USB bandwidth since i appears to only have one port.
> Forcing wifi and hd could be a bottleneck.  Other than that I can't see any
> reason why you won't be satisfied... It's just more than I would spend on
> something that depreciates so fast.
>
> What other questions or considerations?
>
> Josh
>
> On Nov 2, 2016 7:55 PM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:
>
> If you haven't played with a Raspberry Pi they are pretty incredible.
> Cheap and powerful.  Multi boot but native linux.  $35 and the run
> OpenCPN.  You can find all manner of 12v HDMI screens that it will drive.
>
> Or just go get a laptop with 12v charger.
>
> I still need to look at the compustick.
>
> Josh
>
> On Nov 2, 2016 3:38 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to have a windows machine on board to run OpenCPN, surf the web
>> etc.
>>
>> I'm thinking of using a 12 volt TV that I can mount and an Intel
>> ComputeStick CS-325.  Add a 12 volt to USB converter, BT keyboard/mouse and
>> external hard drive.
>>
>> Thoughts/recommendations?
>>
>> --
>> Joel
>> 301 541 8551
>>
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Re: Stus-List 12 volt desktop computer

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Josh,
Agreed. Not to mention that for most of us, the computing power of a 2-year old 
laptop is more than enough, especially, if you plan to use it with a limited 
set of applications. E.g. my weather station runs on an 8-year old laptop and 
is doing quite fine.

Marek
In Ottawa ON


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From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Sent: November 20, 2016 12:36
To: C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List 12 volt desktop computer


Marek,

Yeah I was kinda misleading in my native 12v statement.  What I meant was that 
12v power supplies are often available.  12v cigarette lighter adapters that 
put out 19v for laptops.

Interestingly though, I did notice today on my laptop that the battery is 
putting out 12v.  It takes 19v from the wall adapter but only 12v from the 
battery.  I feel a jerry rig in the future

And you're entirely right about the cheapness of a laptop that is a year or two 
old.  I've been picking up these dell rigs (latitude d830) that come used from 
businesses for ~$100.  I've had them for about a year and a half and today just 
realized that the bios date is 2013!  They are really very new (newer when I 
got them) in the grand scheme of things, but old as far as technology goes.  I 
can trash a ~$100 laptop every 5 to 10 years.  We're so close to the point of 
diminishing returns in terms of what most of us do on a day to day basis.

Josh

On Nov 20, 2016 12:03 PM, "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
Not all laptops are inherently 12 V (some use as high as 19 V). But it is easy 
to check.

Laptops have an extra advantage - they get obsoleted pretty quickly, so you can 
get a pretty decent used one for around $250. And you get all the internal 
power protection you need.

Marek

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[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 11:53
To: C List >
Cc: Josh Muckley >
Subject: Re: Stus-List 12 volt desktop compter


You mentioned USB powered, so is the Raspberry PI.  In fact that was one of my 
biggest concerns.  The stability of a usb connector from a 12v boat supply just 
started feeling really unreliable.  I overcame it with a UPS addon "HAT" for 
the PI.  That is one nice thing about a laptop or even a tablet device.  They 
don't shutdown just because of a sketchy power connection and they will auto 
shutdown if the battery gets too low.

They're portable and have a considerable screen built right in.  They are also 
natively designed for 12v power supplies.

I guess that's why Rasberry PI fits my needs so well.  It is a cheap device 
that I can afford to ADD permanently to the boat and sustain depreciation and 
obsolescence without flinching.  The user interface can be ANY of my other 
personal devices and doesn't have to be permanently tied to the boat or 
regulatory transported to and from.

Just my 2 cents,
Josh


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Re: Stus-List Anyone got a B and G network series knot log 6 paddle sensor they would be willing to part with?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Doug,

Go here:  http://www.airmartechnology.com/xref.html

Type "Brookes" into the search field.  That will bring up all the B
transducers.  Perhaps you can find the Airmar number for yours and track
down one for under $500.

Dennis C.

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Doug Welch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Mine broke in 2? Don't ask me how. It went in in 1 piece and came out in
> 2. Anyways B wants $500 for a replacement and I can't see myself spending
> that much for sensor replacement. If I can't find one at a reasonable
> price, I will seek permission from the admiral to replace my wind, depth
> and speed. I do like the current B and G series (Triton?) but would
> appreciate any input on the best bang for the buck.
>
> If you do have a sensor, please let me know how much you want for it.
>
> Cheers,
> Doug
>
> Celtic Knot
> 85 33-2 cb
>
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Re: Stus-List C Spinnaker

[Bob Caughran via CnC-List]

Hi John,  
My 29-2 is rigged for symmetric spinnaker. She has a topping lift, down haul, 
and halyard all run aft to the cockpit. Sheet blocks all the way aft attaching 
to the back stay mounting plate (transom corner casting). Snatch blocks mounted 
mid ship.  Sheets run to forward coming winches. 
The downhaul setup has a block attacted to a padeye on deck 1/3 way between 
forward hatch and the bow.  Also four fairleads routing the downhaul up 
starboard side of cabin and terminates next to the companion way hatch with a 
cam cleat. 
Actually works well for cruising. I single hand her fairly often in light air 
flying the chute. If racing, I have the halyard terminate at the mast. 
I can take pictures of any details you'd like next weekend when I'm back down 
on Beemer. 

Bob Caughran
Beemer, 29mkII, 309
Biloxi, MS


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> On Nov 19, 2016, at 7:40 PM, johnr via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Do any of you have your 29-2 rigged with spinnaker?  If so sym or asym?  Do 
> you have details of choice of rig, rigging and preferences?  Asking more from 
> the standpoint of racing than of cruising.
> 
> John McLaughlin
> Falcon
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Stus-List Anyone got a B and G network series knot log 6 paddle sensor they would be willing to part with?

[Doug Welch via CnC-List]

Mine broke in 2? Don't ask me how. It went in in 1 piece and came out in 2. 
Anyways B wants $500 for a replacement and I can't see myself spending that 
much for sensor replacement. If I can't find one at a reasonable price, I will 
seek permission from the admiral to replace my wind, depth and speed. I do like 
the current B and G series (Triton?) but would appreciate any input on the best 
bang for the buck.
If you do have a sensor, please let me know how much you want for it.
Cheers,Doug
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Re: Stus-List 12 volt desktop computer

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Marek,

Yeah I was kinda misleading in my native 12v statement.  What I meant was
that 12v power supplies are often available.  12v cigarette lighter
adapters that put out 19v for laptops.

Interestingly though, I did notice today on my laptop that the battery is
putting out 12v.  It takes 19v from the wall adapter but only 12v from the
battery.  I feel a jerry rig in the future

And you're entirely right about the cheapness of a laptop that is a year or
two old.  I've been picking up these dell rigs (latitude d830) that come
used from businesses for ~$100.  I've had them for about a year and a half
and today just realized that the bios date is 2013!  They are really very
new (newer when I got them) in the grand scheme of things, but old as far
as technology goes.  I can trash a ~$100 laptop every 5 to 10 years.  We're
so close to the point of diminishing returns in terms of what most of us do
on a day to day basis.

Josh

On Nov 20, 2016 12:03 PM, "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Not all laptops are inherently 12 V (some use as high as 19 V). But it is
> easy to check.
>
>
>
> Laptops have an extra advantage - they get obsoleted pretty quickly, so
> you can get a pretty decent used one for around $250. And you get all the
> internal power protection you need.
>
>
>
> Marek
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2016 11:53
> *To:* C List 
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 12 volt desktop compter
>
>
>
> You mentioned USB powered, so is the Raspberry PI.  In fact that was one
> of my biggest concerns.  The stability of a usb connector from a 12v boat
> supply just started feeling really unreliable.  I overcame it with a UPS
> addon "HAT" for the PI.  That is one nice thing about a laptop or even a
> tablet device.  They don't shutdown just because of a sketchy power
> connection and they will auto shutdown if the battery gets too low.
>
> They're portable and have a considerable screen built right in.  They are
> also natively designed for 12v power supplies.
>
> I guess that's why Rasberry PI fits my needs so well.  It is a cheap
> device that I can afford to ADD permanently to the boat and sustain
> depreciation and obsolescence without flinching.  The user interface can be
> ANY of my other personal devices and doesn't have to be permanently tied to
> the boat or regulatory transported to and from.
>
> Just my 2 cents,
> Josh
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List 12 volt desktop computer

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Not all laptops are inherently 12 V (some use as high as 19 V). But it is easy 
to check.

Laptops have an extra advantage - they get obsoleted pretty quickly, so you can 
get a pretty decent used one for around $250. And you get all the internal 
power protection you need.

Marek

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 11:53
To: C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 12 volt desktop compter


You mentioned USB powered, so is the Raspberry PI.  In fact that was one of my 
biggest concerns.  The stability of a usb connector from a 12v boat supply just 
started feeling really unreliable.  I overcame it with a UPS addon "HAT" for 
the PI.  That is one nice thing about a laptop or even a tablet device.  They 
don't shutdown just because of a sketchy power connection and they will auto 
shutdown if the battery gets too low.

They're portable and have a considerable screen built right in.  They are also 
natively designed for 12v power supplies.

I guess that's why Rasberry PI fits my needs so well.  It is a cheap device 
that I can afford to ADD permanently to the boat and sustain depreciation and 
obsolescence without flinching.  The user interface can be ANY of my other 
personal devices and doesn't have to be permanently tied to the boat or 
regulatory transported to and from.

Just my 2 cents,
Josh

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Re: Stus-List 12 volt desktop compter

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I would not worry about the monthly updates. Some are important, others not so 
much. If you don’t do work on that computer and you use it mainly to run a 
single application (and you don’t access Internet!), update Windows to whatever 
you like and freeze it like that.

If this is a stick PC, you can always take it home and update it, when needed. 
You would be doing it, anyway, to update your OpenCPN .

Before you buy any TV to be used as a monitor, check how you like the picture. 
Many TVs don’t work so well as monitors. It  might be better to buy a 22” 
monitor and use it as a TV.

Marek
In Ottawa, ON

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of phorvati . 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 10:58
To: CNC boat owners cnc-list 
Cc: phorvati . 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 12 volt desktop compter


It's usable  but with headaches of having to update windows.  Windows has a 
weekly update.  And so does the browsing stuff like Mozilla and adobe products 
etc etc.  If you don't keep up with it, it becomes a nuissance. If you just 
keep open cpn that's doable.
  I ended up rewiring the internals of 22" HP lcd monitor to use 12v.  You can 
purchase a 12v monitor as well. In fact dell had a 14v led back lit version.   
All ccfl back lit TVs and monitors use 19v DC as input to high voltage 
transformer for cclf(florescent light that lights the tv picture) The IC driver 
on this particular HP model is rated to take down to 8 or 10v DC input.  So I 
put a laptop type 12vDC recepticle on the monitor and I bypassed the ac side of 
the power supply. So 12 v goes directly to what used to be the 19v node.  This 
might be more for the geeks, but it saves quite a bit of money.  I got my 
monitor for 50$ few years ago.
Same goes with USB hubs.  You can lookup the IC in the hub and wire it directly 
to 12v with a fuse. Provided that it's rated for 10-15v DC range.   The one I 
use is rated to 15 or 16v at the input.
On Nov 2, 2016 3:38 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
I'd like to have a windows machine on board to run OpenCPN, surf the web etc.

I'm thinking of using a 12 volt TV that I can mount and an Intel ComputeStick 
CS-325.  Add a 12 volt to USB converter, BT keyboard/mouse and external hard 
drive.

Thoughts/recommendations?

--
Joel
301 541 8551

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Re: Stus-List 12 volt desktop compter

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

You mentioned USB powered, so is the Raspberry PI.  In fact that was one of
my biggest concerns.  The stability of a usb connector from a 12v boat
supply just started feeling really unreliable.  I overcame it with a UPS
addon "HAT" for the PI.  That is one nice thing about a laptop or even a
tablet device.  They don't shutdown just because of a sketchy power
connection and they will auto shutdown if the battery gets too low.

They're portable and have a considerable screen built right in.  They are
also natively designed for 12v power supplies.

I guess that's why Rasberry PI fits my needs so well.  It is a cheap device
that I can afford to ADD permanently to the boat and sustain depreciation
and obsolescence without flinching.  The user interface can be ANY of my
other personal devices and doesn't have to be permanently tied to the boat
or regulatory transported to and from.

Just my 2 cents,
Josh

On Nov 20, 2016 10:27 AM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Josh,
>
> The one problem I ran into was getting power to it.  The ThinkPad Stick
> 300 is cheaper (Atom processor) and is USB powered.  My current leading
> candidate.
>
> Joel
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I looked at the CS-325.  Seems like a lot of horse power for such small
>> tasks.  Then again I'm cheap.  I've never bought a new car, and my current
>> one is a 1998.  My boat is a 1989.  I'm running $100 ebay laptops that are
>> probably at least 10 years old throughout the house and boat.  I'm using a
>> 15 year old chartplotter attached to 20 year old sailing instruments.  My
>> phone is a Galaxy S4 and I only upgraded because my Galaxy S1 got wet.  My
>> directv tivo box is original to the 12 year old plan and my TV doesn't have
>> HDMI.  But you know what?  They all work quite satisfactorily.
>>
>> So, yes the CS-325 looks like a nice piece of hardware.  I would
>> investigate the USB bandwidth since i appears to only have one port.
>> Forcing wifi and hd could be a bottleneck.  Other than that I can't see any
>> reason why you won't be satisfied... It's just more than I would spend on
>> something that depreciates so fast.
>>
>> What other questions or considerations?
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2016 7:55 PM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:
>>
>> If you haven't played with a Raspberry Pi they are pretty incredible.
>> Cheap and powerful.  Multi boot but native linux.  $35 and the run
>> OpenCPN.  You can find all manner of 12v HDMI screens that it will drive.
>>
>> Or just go get a laptop with 12v charger.
>>
>> I still need to look at the compustick.
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2016 3:38 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to have a windows machine on board to run OpenCPN, surf the web
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking of using a 12 volt TV that I can mount and an Intel
>>> ComputeStick CS-325.  Add a 12 volt to USB converter, BT keyboard/mouse and
>>> external hard drive.
>>>
>>> Thoughts/recommendations?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Joel
>>> 301 541 8551
>>>
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>>> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:
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>>>
>>>
>>
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>
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Re: Stus-List Head Removal...no what.

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

Use a sharp putty knife or other knife to clean up the surface of the block. 
You need to be super careful not to let any sort of abrasive particles into the 
cylinders. Once the surface is clean, oil it lightly and cover the whole thing 
with clean rags until ready for assembly. 

Steve Thomas
 
 David via CnC-List  wrote: 
So the head is off the boat (big thanks to fellow lister and Boat Yard Buddy 
Danny) and in the basement awaiting delivery for the re-build.


What beside vacuuming out the cylinders (of the head's bolts dust) should I be 
doing to the top of the block?  Sand it while protecting the cylinders?  
Anything to the cylinders themselves?


Thanks in advance


David F. Risch
1181 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


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Re: Stus-List 12 volt desktop compter

[phorvati . via CnC-List]

It's usable  but with headaches of having to update windows.  Windows has a
weekly update.  And so does the browsing stuff like Mozilla and adobe
products etc etc.  If you don't keep up with it, it becomes a nuissance. If
you just keep open cpn that's doable.
  I ended up rewiring the internals of 22" HP lcd monitor to use 12v.  You
can purchase a 12v monitor as well. In fact dell had a 14v led back lit
version.   All ccfl back lit TVs and monitors use 19v DC as input to high
voltage transformer for cclf(florescent light that lights the tv picture)
The IC driver on this particular HP model is rated to take down to 8 or 10v
DC input.  So I put a laptop type 12vDC recepticle on the monitor and I
bypassed the ac side of the power supply. So 12 v goes directly to what
used to be the 19v node.  This might be more for the geeks, but it saves
quite a bit of money.  I got my monitor for 50$ few years ago.
Same goes with USB hubs.  You can lookup the IC in the hub and wire it
directly to 12v with a fuse. Provided that it's rated for 10-15v DC
range.   The one I use is rated to 15 or 16v at the input.
On Nov 2, 2016 3:38 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I'd like to have a windows machine on board to run OpenCPN, surf the web
> etc.
>
> I'm thinking of using a 12 volt TV that I can mount and an Intel
> ComputeStick CS-325.  Add a 12 volt to USB converter, BT keyboard/mouse and
> external hard drive.
>
> Thoughts/recommendations?
>
> --
> Joel
> 301 541 8551
>
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Re: Stus-List 12 volt desktop compter

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Power to which?  Laptop or compustick or thinkpad stick?

For my laptop I just searched cigarette lighter adapters.  The one I found
uses buck/boost circuitry to create 19v@5amps out of 12v.  I dissected the
cigarette plug and hardwired 16 gauge marine wire to the circuit board.  I
terminated the wires with ring terminals and attached them to my terminal
board.

Josh

On Nov 20, 2016 10:27 AM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Josh,
>
> The one problem I ran into was getting power to it.  The ThinkPad Stick
> 300 is cheaper (Atom processor) and is USB powered.  My current leading
> candidate.
>
> Joel
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I looked at the CS-325.  Seems like a lot of horse power for such small
>> tasks.  Then again I'm cheap.  I've never bought a new car, and my current
>> one is a 1998.  My boat is a 1989.  I'm running $100 ebay laptops that are
>> probably at least 10 years old throughout the house and boat.  I'm using a
>> 15 year old chartplotter attached to 20 year old sailing instruments.  My
>> phone is a Galaxy S4 and I only upgraded because my Galaxy S1 got wet.  My
>> directv tivo box is original to the 12 year old plan and my TV doesn't have
>> HDMI.  But you know what?  They all work quite satisfactorily.
>>
>> So, yes the CS-325 looks like a nice piece of hardware.  I would
>> investigate the USB bandwidth since i appears to only have one port.
>> Forcing wifi and hd could be a bottleneck.  Other than that I can't see any
>> reason why you won't be satisfied... It's just more than I would spend on
>> something that depreciates so fast.
>>
>> What other questions or considerations?
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2016 7:55 PM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:
>>
>> If you haven't played with a Raspberry Pi they are pretty incredible.
>> Cheap and powerful.  Multi boot but native linux.  $35 and the run
>> OpenCPN.  You can find all manner of 12v HDMI screens that it will drive.
>>
>> Or just go get a laptop with 12v charger.
>>
>> I still need to look at the compustick.
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2016 3:38 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to have a windows machine on board to run OpenCPN, surf the web
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking of using a 12 volt TV that I can mount and an Intel
>>> ComputeStick CS-325.  Add a 12 volt to USB converter, BT keyboard/mouse and
>>> external hard drive.
>>>
>>> Thoughts/recommendations?
>>>
>>> --
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Re: Stus-List Velcro Adhesive

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 7:26 AM, Damian Greene via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Now - if someone could tell me what would work to remove the dried Velcro
> adhesive residue from my headliner?



Side grinder?  Flame thrower?

Seriously, that stuff is tenacious.  I used acetone and lots of elbow
grease and it still shows stains.  If you're really serious, use solvents
then maybe hit it with some 800 or 1000 grit wet/dry sandpaper.

Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List 12 volt desktop compter

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Josh,

The one problem I ran into was getting power to it.  The ThinkPad Stick 300
is cheaper (Atom processor) and is USB powered.  My current leading
candidate.

Joel

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I looked at the CS-325.  Seems like a lot of horse power for such small
> tasks.  Then again I'm cheap.  I've never bought a new car, and my current
> one is a 1998.  My boat is a 1989.  I'm running $100 ebay laptops that are
> probably at least 10 years old throughout the house and boat.  I'm using a
> 15 year old chartplotter attached to 20 year old sailing instruments.  My
> phone is a Galaxy S4 and I only upgraded because my Galaxy S1 got wet.  My
> directv tivo box is original to the 12 year old plan and my TV doesn't have
> HDMI.  But you know what?  They all work quite satisfactorily.
>
> So, yes the CS-325 looks like a nice piece of hardware.  I would
> investigate the USB bandwidth since i appears to only have one port.
> Forcing wifi and hd could be a bottleneck.  Other than that I can't see any
> reason why you won't be satisfied... It's just more than I would spend on
> something that depreciates so fast.
>
> What other questions or considerations?
>
> Josh
>
> On Nov 2, 2016 7:55 PM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:
>
> If you haven't played with a Raspberry Pi they are pretty incredible.
> Cheap and powerful.  Multi boot but native linux.  $35 and the run
> OpenCPN.  You can find all manner of 12v HDMI screens that it will drive.
>
> Or just go get a laptop with 12v charger.
>
> I still need to look at the compustick.
>
> Josh
>
> On Nov 2, 2016 3:38 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to have a windows machine on board to run OpenCPN, surf the web
>> etc.
>>
>> I'm thinking of using a 12 volt TV that I can mount and an Intel
>> ComputeStick CS-325.  Add a 12 volt to USB converter, BT keyboard/mouse and
>> external hard drive.
>>
>> Thoughts/recommendations?
>>
>> --
>> Joel
>> 301 541 8551
>>
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Re: Stus-List Velcro Adhesive

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Allen,

Here is the practical sailor issue with the hook and loop article:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8QXRINkZab0tnSzg/view?usp=drivesdk

Let me know if it doesn't work for you.

Kevin
PDX

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016, 6:44 AM Jake Brodersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Alan,
>
>
>
> The original Velcro was very strong, but everything else I’ve tried has
> not lasted long.  My panels are now all screwed to the overhead.  I was
> tired of watching them fall off the ceiling when bashing into big waves.
> The SS screws are all capped with covers to match the overhead.  Looks neat
> and professional, but a pain to remove by hand.
>
>
>
> Jake
>
>
>
> *Jake Brodersen*
>
> *C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”*
>
> *Hampton VA*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *ALAN
> BERGEN via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:47
>
>
> *To:* C 
> *Cc:* ALAN BERGEN 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Velcro Adhesive
>
>
>
> I'm replacing all of the ceiling access panels (1/8" plywood with cloth
> covering) with FRP (fiberglass reinforced plastic).  The existing ones are
> screwed in.  I want to use Velcro instead.  What is the  recommended
> adhesive for this? Input from anyone who has first hand experience would be
> appreciated.
>
>
>
> Alan Bergen
>
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
>
> Rose City YC
>
> Portland, OR
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Re: Stus-List Velcro Adhesive

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Alan,

 

The original Velcro was very strong, but everything else I’ve tried has not 
lasted long.  My panels are now all screwed to the overhead.  I was tired of 
watching them fall off the ceiling when bashing into big waves.  The SS screws 
are all capped with covers to match the overhead.  Looks neat and professional, 
but a pain to remove by hand.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of ALAN BERGEN 
via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:47
To: C 
Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
Subject: Stus-List Velcro Adhesive

 

I'm replacing all of the ceiling access panels (1/8" plywood with cloth 
covering) with FRP (fiberglass reinforced plastic).  The existing ones are 
screwed in.  I want to use Velcro instead.  What is the  recommended adhesive 
for this? Input from anyone who has first hand experience would be appreciated.


 

Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR

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Re: Stus-List Velcro Adhesive

[Damian Greene via CnC-List]

Dennis,
Thank you! That is a great suggestion. I have been dealing with Velcro to 
attach my mosquito screens to my hatches. This is a much better solution. 
Definitely on the list for next Spring.
Now - if someone could tell me what would work to remove the dried Velcro 
adhesive residue from my headliner?
Damian Greene1982 C 34 GhostBass Harbor, Maine

  From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 To: CnClist  
Cc: Dennis C. 
 Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 5:43 AM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Velcro Adhesive
   

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Lee Youngblood via CnC-List 
 wrote:

What do you mean Snap In?  Did you install snaps or maybe build a teak frame 
and stretch mosquito screen like a painting, and wedge it into the fiberglass 
liner somehow making it stay there? 


Lee, I mean canvas snaps and studs, like these:  

https://www.amazon.com/Pieces-Stainless-Fastener-Marine-Socket/dp/B01FLUW1D2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8=1479619961=8-2=canvas+snaps

The screens have Sunbrella borders with the snaps.  The studs are screwed into 
the headliner around the forward hatch or, in the case of the companionway, the 
wood trim and the edge of the sliding hatch.  They fit tight and keep out the 
skeeters.

Nice thing about them is they fold up small and stow easily.  I could almost 
put both the forward hatch screen and the companionway screen in a 1 gallon zip 
bag.

Pics are here:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsX1dZQ2pQZmlhMkk

Dennis C.

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