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[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Umatilla looks landlocked Stu - what gives?

Cheers,
Randy

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> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Stu via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Yup – I am Canadian based except Dec to April when I will be enjoying the 
> Florida sunshine.  The web hosting company is in the USA.
>  
> If anyone gets or is near to Umatilla, FL, drop me a note and we’ll try to 
> get together for a rum & coke.
>  
> Stu
>  
>  
> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 11:31 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List List discussions on list
>  
> Jerry,
>  
> I think Stu is based in Canada, so Canadian laws would apply (unless the web 
> server is in the US) 
> 
>  
> All the best,
>  
> Edd
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Re: Stus-List man overboard pole refurb?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I have these on all my emergency floatation devices.  They are water
activated.  I tied them on with orange curly laces so that they are free to
move and float around.  They are not SOLAS or USCG approved but they are
waterproof and water activated and cheap.  They take 3 lithium coin
batteries.  I've had them for 3 seasons and they all look and work like
new.  Occasionally I have to replace some of the batteries.  I don't
recommend using them on your personal PFD since just the slightest skin
contact or moisture from sea spray with activate them.  It is a blinding
strobe while sailing a night.

Shoreline Marine Flashing Safety Whistle
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JGQLKBM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_qQHoybEDEKSWM

http://www.curlylaces.com/shoelaces.html


Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


On Nov 26, 2016 5:24 PM, "Dave S via CnC-List" 
wrote:

Thanks Jake.I agree that the light would be an important addition but I
think maybe it should be attached near the buoy, not the pole.  This way
the swimmer would be attracted to the flotation.
I shudder to to think about finding somebody in the dark, even on a decent
night,  I often sail shorthanded with very novice crew or my kids.  Lake
Ontario can have a steep ugly and confused chop, and can be quite rough at
times.
Had an interesting chat with Carolyn Burgess at the Rigging Shoppe (in
Toronto) on this today. Years ago, her parents ended up in Lake Ontario one
night when their C sank beneath them.  They were tethered to a MOB pole
and had both a ring buoy (mandatory in Canada) and horseshoe buoy (ditto
USA)   She had photos taken from the search plane and showed how the humans
were not easily seen amongst the whitecaps, but the pole was.
She also said that the horseshoe buoy was the lifesaver, because her mom
was able to "wear" it but the ring did not work well for her dad, who was
too big.  She advised that I was too big for the ring... :-(
She too thought the strobe was a very good idea but struggled to come up
with an appropriately compact solution, that would be activated by
inversion or immersion (but not rain or spray)
I found this online, - LED, compact, SOLAS approved, and reasonably priced
- but it is unclear to me how the light could be turned on.

http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|135|2290109|2290110=1282889

Anyone know?

Dave




-- Forwarded message --
From: Jake Brodersen 
To: 
Cc:
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 10:21:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Stus-List man overboard pole refurb?

Dave,



Those all sound like worthy upgrades to an existing pole.  It should look
like new when you’re done.  A small water-activated strobe is a good
choice.  If you could attach it part way up the pole, it would be great for
visibility.  If it’s too heavy, it may affect the ability of the pole to
stay vertical.  It all depends on the type of strobe (weight).  The
carabiner should have the whistle attached with a short leash.  A small
float might make them easier to find in the water.  I’m thinking a key
chain float might work.



Jake



*Jake Brodersen*

*C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”*

*Hampton VA*







*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
S via CnC-List
*Sent:* Saturday, November 26, 2016 08:52
*To:* C Stus List 
*Cc:* Dave S 
*Subject:* Stus-List man overboard pole refurb?



Working through some refurb chores and am rehabilitating my Scotty MOB
pole, fresh paint, new flag, replace or paint some of the UV damaged
plastic on the float, add reflective tape.  It lives in a tube mounted on
the pushpit stanchion and is connected to a smallish ring buoy by around
75' of floating line.   Am contemplating a strobe and whistle an possibly a
carabiner so a tired swimmer can more easily tether to the entire assembly.
  Any thoughts on this?



Thanks, Dave   33-2





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Re: Stus-List man overboard pole refurb?

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Thanks Jake.I agree that the light would be an important addition but I
think maybe it should be attached near the buoy, not the pole.  This way
the swimmer would be attracted to the flotation.
I shudder to to think about finding somebody in the dark, even on a decent
night,  I often sail shorthanded with very novice crew or my kids.  Lake
Ontario can have a steep ugly and confused chop, and can be quite rough at
times.
Had an interesting chat with Carolyn Burgess at the Rigging Shoppe (in
Toronto) on this today. Years ago, her parents ended up in Lake Ontario one
night when their C sank beneath them.  They were tethered to a MOB pole
and had both a ring buoy (mandatory in Canada) and horseshoe buoy (ditto
USA)   She had photos taken from the search plane and showed how the humans
were not easily seen amongst the whitecaps, but the pole was.
She also said that the horseshoe buoy was the lifesaver, because her mom
was able to "wear" it but the ring did not work well for her dad, who was
too big.  She advised that I was too big for the ring... :-(
She too thought the strobe was a very good idea but struggled to come up
with an appropriately compact solution, that would be activated by
inversion or immersion (but not rain or spray)
I found this online, - LED, compact, SOLAS approved, and reasonably priced
- but it is unclear to me how the light could be turned on.

http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|135|2290109|2290110=1282889

Anyone know?

Dave




-- Forwarded message --
From: Jake Brodersen 
To: 
Cc:
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 10:21:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Stus-List man overboard pole refurb?

Dave,



Those all sound like worthy upgrades to an existing pole.  It should look
like new when you’re done.  A small water-activated strobe is a good
choice.  If you could attach it part way up the pole, it would be great for
visibility.  If it’s too heavy, it may affect the ability of the pole to
stay vertical.  It all depends on the type of strobe (weight).  The
carabiner should have the whistle attached with a short leash.  A small
float might make them easier to find in the water.  I’m thinking a key
chain float might work.



Jake



*Jake Brodersen*

*C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”*

*Hampton VA*







*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
S via CnC-List
*Sent:* Saturday, November 26, 2016 08:52
*To:* C Stus List 
*Cc:* Dave S 
*Subject:* Stus-List man overboard pole refurb?



Working through some refurb chores and am rehabilitating my Scotty MOB
pole, fresh paint, new flag, replace or paint some of the UV damaged
plastic on the float, add reflective tape.  It lives in a tube mounted on
the pushpit stanchion and is connected to a smallish ring buoy by around
75' of floating line.   Am contemplating a strobe and whistle an possibly a
carabiner so a tired swimmer can more easily tether to the entire assembly.
  Any thoughts on this?



Thanks, Dave   33-2





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Re: Stus-List List discussions on list

[Stu via CnC-List]

Yup – I am Canadian based except Dec to April when I will be enjoying the 
Florida sunshine.  The web hosting company is in the USA.

If anyone gets or is near to Umatilla, FL, drop me a note and we’ll try to get 
together for a rum & coke.

Stu


From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 11:31 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Re: Stus-List List discussions on list

Jerry,

I think Stu is based in Canada, so Canadian laws would apply (unless the web 
server is in the US) 



All the best,

Edd
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[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Jerry,

I think Stu is based in Canada, so Canadian laws would apply (unless the web 
server is in the US) 


All the best,

Edd

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Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act
Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996 (a common name for Title 
V of the Telecommunications Act of 1996) is a landmark piece of Internet 
legislation in the United States, codified at 47 U.S.C. § 230. Section 
230(c)(1) provides immunity from liability for providers and users of an 
"interactive computer service" who publish information provided by others:

No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the 
publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content 
provider.

In analyzing the availability of the immunity offered by this provision, courts 
generally apply a three-prong test. A defendant must satisfy each of the three 
prongs to gain the benefit of the immunity:

The defendant must be a "provider or user" of an "interactive computer service."
The cause of action asserted by the plaintiff must treat the defendant as the 
"publisher or speaker" of the harmful information at issue.
The information must be "provided by another information content provider," 
i.e., the defendant must not be the "information content provider" of the 
harmful information at issue.


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On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
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> Inspired by the Thread That Can Not Be Named and an epic adventure on SA
> with a rogue trucker and a boat lost in transit among other things:
> If you ever buy and move a boat:
> 1. Be VERY clear about the point in time you own the boat and accept
> delivery.
> 2. Do a lot of duel diligence with the shipper, and then do it again.
> 3. Besides for making sure you have insurance coverage for the boat from
> day
> 1 of ownership, look into specific insurance for the shipment.
>
>
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> j...@dellabarba.com
>
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Re: Stus-List man overboard pole refurb?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I have had a strobe hooked to my MOB gear since the 1970s. I have never had to 
use any of it, but getting that in the water ASAP at night, even if the MOB 
isn’t able to swim to it, provides an invaluable data point to base a search 
pattern on.

My strobe hangs from the lifeline and is attached to the rest of the gear by a 
line. It is similar to this: 
http://www.westmarine.com/buy/acr-electronics--automatic-floating-strobe-light--195786?recordNum=7
  They work with a mercury switch and active when floating upright. If you drop 
off enough big waves and have momentary negative G forces, the strobe will 
charge and go off every now and again. No harm, but it can startle the helmsman 
:)

Also look into getting a Lifesling for recovery operations.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

 

Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jake 
Brodersen via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 10:22 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jake Brodersen 
Subject: Re: Stus-List man overboard pole refurb?

 

Dave,

 

Those all sound like worthy upgrades to an existing pole.  It should look like 
new when you’re done.  A small water-activated strobe is a good choice.  If you 
could attach it part way up the pole, it would be great for visibility.  If 
it’s too heavy, it may affect the ability of the pole to stay vertical.  It all 
depends on the type of strobe (weight).  The carabiner should have the whistle 
attached with a short leash.  A small float might make them easier to find in 
the water.  I’m thinking a key chain float might work.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave S via 
CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 08:52
To: C Stus List  >
Cc: Dave S  >
Subject: Stus-List man overboard pole refurb?

 

Working through some refurb chores and am rehabilitating my Scotty MOB pole, 
fresh paint, new flag, replace or paint some of the UV damaged plastic on the 
float, add reflective tape.  It lives in a tube mounted on the pushpit 
stanchion and is connected to a smallish ring buoy by around 75' of floating 
line.   Am contemplating a strobe and whistle an possibly a carabiner so a 
tired swimmer can more easily tether to the entire assembly.   Any thoughts on 
this?  

 

Thanks, Dave   33-2

 

 

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[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Inspired by the Thread That Can Not Be Named and an epic adventure on SA
with a rogue trucker and a boat lost in transit among other things:
If you ever buy and move a boat:
1. Be VERY clear about the point in time you own the boat and accept
delivery.
2. Do a lot of duel diligence with the shipper, and then do it again.
3. Besides for making sure you have insurance coverage for the boat from day
1 of ownership, look into specific insurance for the shipment.


Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com

Coquina 
C 35 MK I


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Certain firms have done vastly more damage to their reputation by trying to
shut down discussion than they ever can recover by trying to stifle the
discussion IMHO.

Joe Della Barba
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Re: Stus-List man overboard pole refurb?

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Dave,

 

Those all sound like worthy upgrades to an existing pole.  It should look like 
new when you’re done.  A small water-activated strobe is a good choice.  If you 
could attach it part way up the pole, it would be great for visibility.  If 
it’s too heavy, it may affect the ability of the pole to stay vertical.  It all 
depends on the type of strobe (weight).  The carabiner should have the whistle 
attached with a short leash.  A small float might make them easier to find in 
the water.  I’m thinking a key chain float might work.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave S via 
CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 08:52
To: C Stus List 
Cc: Dave S 
Subject: Stus-List man overboard pole refurb?

 

Working through some refurb chores and am rehabilitating my Scotty MOB pole, 
fresh paint, new flag, replace or paint some of the UV damaged plastic on the 
float, add reflective tape.  It lives in a tube mounted on the pushpit 
stanchion and is connected to a smallish ring buoy by around 75' of floating 
line.   Am contemplating a strobe and whistle an possibly a carabiner so a 
tired swimmer can more easily tether to the entire assembly.   Any thoughts on 
this?  

 

Thanks, Dave   33-2

 

 

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Stus-List man overboard pole refurb?

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Working through some refurb chores and am rehabilitating my Scotty MOB
pole, fresh paint, new flag, replace or paint some of the UV damaged
plastic on the float, add reflective tape.  It lives in a tube mounted on
the pushpit stanchion and is connected to a smallish ring buoy by around
75' of floating line.   Am contemplating a strobe and whistle an possibly a
carabiner so a tired swimmer can more easily tether to the entire assembly.
  Any thoughts on this?

Thanks, Dave   33-2
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