Stus-List Danfoss Compressor Controller

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Edd

OK, I located the info. The deal is that it's not so much the 
manufacturer, but the compressor.  These Nova Kools have a 
Danfoss.  These 4-pin controllers work with them.  It got the 
lead  from the folks at Sure Marine. They could not help due to the 
age of our units.  But they did some research and came up with 
these.   Guess I caught em on a good day!



Hi Tom,

The information David provided you is not completely accurate.
The 4-pin Danfoss was used by a bunch of companies.
it is definitely obsolete, but if you do a Google search, it appears 
that a few people still have stock.


http://www.outbackmarine.com.au/null~1325

http://www.penguinfrigo.co.uk/shop/product/436/control-module-12v-dc4-pinfor-danfoss-bd3-earlier-compressors/


Kind regards,

Todd Glenn

*Sure Marine Service Inc.*
(206) 784-9903
(800) 562-7797
Fax (206) 784-0506

t...@suremarine.com


They're the best.

Tom B

At 04:56 PM 9/17/2017, you wrote:

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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 17:14:51 -0400
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Please!!

On Sep 17, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Edd

I replaced the controller on my Novacool due to it getting very 
inconsistent lately.  Not quite a drop in, mostly due to differences 
in wire gauges.  But it solved all of my problems.


The original controller is no longer available.  But I fond an 
aftermarket replacement in Australia.  Let me know if you want me to 
dig up the info.


Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660



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Re: Stus-List Balmar alternator

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Many 3 stage regulators switch bulk to float on a timer. Also note a 600 AH 
bank that is 50% empty will easily need to run at bulk for 3 hours or more – 
perhaps a lot more.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

 

Coquina

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Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 10:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Balmar alternator

 

I am not an expert on batteries and charging, but the set-up should be based on 
voltage, not time. Most external regulators allow that (as far as I know). And 
it should be compensated for temperature (of the batteries and the alternator).

 

Again, I would refer to Maine Sail’s writing (either at his web site 
(http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/boat_projects) or his SBO Forum.

 

Marek

 

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Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 17:47
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: svpegasus38 mailto:svpegasu...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Balmar alternator

 

Anyone have experience with setting up a Balmar regulator? I have 600 amphour 
capacity in 6 agm batteries. I have figured out most of the settings, but am 
questioning how long to set both bulk, and float charge times. Currently bulk 
is set around 20 minutes and float is about an hour. Never fully charged the 
batteries. I haven't been able to find any information on this. I do have the 
Balmar manual. 

Is it guess work? If set to long will it destroy the batteries, I am getting 
ready to replace them and don't want to hurt the new ones.  

Thanks

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Balmar alternator

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I am not an expert on batteries and charging, but the set-up should be based on 
voltage, not time. Most external regulators allow that (as far as I know). And 
it should be compensated for temperature (of the batteries and the alternator).

Again, I would refer to Maine Sail’s writing (either at his web site 
(http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/boat_projects) or his SBO Forum.

Marek

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via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 17:47
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: svpegasus38 
Subject: Stus-List Balmar alternator

Anyone have experience with setting up a Balmar regulator? I have 600 amphour 
capacity in 6 agm batteries. I have figured out most of the settings, but am 
questioning how long to set both bulk, and float charge times. Currently bulk 
is set around 20 minutes and float is about an hour. Never fully charged the 
batteries. I haven't been able to find any information on this. I do have the 
Balmar manual.
Is it guess work? If set to long will it destroy the batteries, I am getting 
ready to replace them and don't want to hurt the new ones.
Thanks


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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Denis,

If you keep the GPS without the batteries, it would take longer to get the 
first fix. Since the 76 is a fairly old device (I have a 76s for 12 years; if I 
remember, it has only 24 MB of memory!) that first fix can take 15 minutes.

There is always a compromise.

Marek


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Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 20:13
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

Wow!  A wide range of answers in this thread.

I have a Garmin 128 (text only display) below at the navstation, a 5 inch 
charplotter at the helm.  The two are connected to a switch which feeds the 
instruments, autosteerer and VHF (with AIS receive capability).  One of the 
units is always "active".

I keep a Garmin 76 handheld in the navstation with fresh batteries in a plastic 
bag.  Do not store batteries in the GPS.

I have a Samsung tablet with OpenCPN also for back up.  I have Navionics USA on 
my iPhone.

I have the latest edition of MapTech's regional chartkit.  Great paper chart 
compilation if available for your region.

If I was budget limited, I'd probably go with the tablet with OpenCPN or 
Navionics or a used Garmin 182 and a chartkit.

In my opinion, paper charts are great if you can plot your position from and 
old text only GPS rapidly.  Otherwise a chartplotter is the way to go.

There are reasonable priced GPS units with few features available.  There are 
lots of used ones on eBay.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sep 16, 2017 9:30 PM, "Chris Hobson via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go and 
we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C&C 30 and very little 
in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic familiarity with the 
area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s like we just purchased a 
1981 C&C and technology isn’t around yet. However every sail is a guessing game 
and I’d like to hear what others use for costal navigation. Whether it’s real 
tangible maps, a GPS system you swear by or an iPad with some software curious 
to hear what other C&C owners use to get find their way.

Chris Hobson
S/V Going
1980 C&C MKI
Hull 615



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Re: Stus-List Balmar alternator

[coltrek via CnC-List]

I found one of the things that you pay a premium price for with Balmar is the 
tech support. They are great,  and worth every penny you *think* you overpaid .


Regards,
Bill Coleman C&C 39

 Original message 
From: svpegasus38 via CnC-List  
Date: 9/17/17  17:47  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: svpegasus38  
Subject: Stus-List Balmar alternator 

Anyone have experience with setting up a Balmar regulator? I have 600 amphour 
capacity in 6 agm batteries. I have figured out most of the settings, but am 
questioning how long to set both bulk, and float charge times. Currently bulk 
is set around 20 minutes and float is about an hour. Never fully charged the 
batteries. I haven't been able to find any information on this. I do have the 
Balmar manual. Is it guess work? If set to long will it destroy the batteries, 
I am getting ready to replace them and don't want to hurt the new ones.  Thanks

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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Wow!  A wide range of answers in this thread.

I have a Garmin 128 (text only display) below at the navstation, a 5 inch
charplotter at the helm.  The two are connected to a switch which feeds the
instruments, autosteerer and VHF (with AIS receive capability).  One of the
units is always "active".

I keep a Garmin 76 handheld in the navstation with fresh batteries in a
plastic bag.  Do not store batteries in the GPS.

I have a Samsung tablet with OpenCPN also for back up.  I have Navionics
USA on my iPhone.

I have the latest edition of MapTech's regional chartkit.  Great paper
chart compilation if available for your region.

If I was budget limited, I'd probably go with the tablet with OpenCPN or
Navionics or a used Garmin 182 and a chartkit.

In my opinion, paper charts are great if you can plot your position from
and old text only GPS rapidly.  Otherwise a chartplotter is the way to go.

There are reasonable priced GPS units with few features available.  There
are lots of used ones on eBay.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sep 16, 2017 9:30 PM, "Chris Hobson via CnC-List" 
wrote:

We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go
and we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C&C 30 and very
little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic
familiarity with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s
like we just purchased a 1981 C&C and technology isn’t around yet. However
every sail is a guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for
costal navigation. Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear
by or an iPad with some software curious to hear what other C&C owners use
to get find their way.

Chris Hobson
S/V Going
1980 C&C MKI
Hull 615



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Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

I guess I did get a deal. The price that I paid also included the 125 amp
alternator as standard equipment

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
HONEY - US12788
C&C 39TM
Savannah, GA USA

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On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The engine, transmission, and 125 amp alternator cost about $10k.
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> On Sep 17, 2017, at 12:12, George Cone via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> What is the cost if I can ask for just the motor
> Thanks
> George cone
>  c&c 40
> Unsinkable 2
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List 
> Date: 9/17/17 11:55 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: C&CList 
> Cc: Jack Fitzgerald 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34
>
> Same here, just bought the new Yanmar 3YM30AE for our 39TM to replace 30+
> year old 3GM30F hopefull to begin installation early next week. Our
> mechanic indicates that this engine will be basically a plug and play. This
> is have to see.
>
> If the new engine is a trouble free as the old one I will be a happy
> camper.
>
> Best regards,
> Jack Fitzgerald
> HONEY - US12788\
> C&C 39TM
> Savannah, GA USA
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Andy,
>>
>> What sort of fuel consumption change, if any, did you experience with the
>> 3YM30AE installation?
>>
>> Best,
>> Dave Godwin
>> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
>> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
>> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>>
>> On Sep 17, 2017, at 2:31 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just went from 3HM30 to a nice new 3YM30AE. It is an incredible
>> difference; quieter, smoother, smaller, and same economy for a little more
>> speed. They had to cut down the engine beds an inch or so, but otherwise is
>> a huge difference. I did most of the work getting the old engine out and
>> helped with the installation of the new one. Still had to pay the mechanic
>> for 23 hours labor to do the technical and electric stuff.
>>
>> Andy
>> C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>>
>> Andrew Burton
>> 61 W Narragansett
>> Newport, RI
>> USA02840
>>
>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>> +401 965-5260
>>
>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 23:14, DON JONSSON via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> It seems I have a leaking head gasket on my Yanmar engine.  It is an old
>> engine but only has 2,000 hours on it.  I'm going to get some quotes on
>> fixing it but I'm sure it won't be cheap and not sure it won't be a waste
>> on an old engine.
>>
>> The boat is leaking a fair bit of oil which ends up in the bilge.  The
>> best guess when tracing the source is the gasket.  Of course the leak is
>> from an area that is very difficult to get a good look at.  The boat has
>> also suddenly taken to starting very poorly.  Anyway those are the
>> symptoms.
>>
>> Has any one replaced a similar engine?  What with and how did it go?  Any
>> things to watch out for?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Don
>> Victoria, BC
>>
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Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

The engine, transmission, and 125 amp alternator cost about $10k.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Sep 17, 2017, at 12:12, George Cone via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> What is the cost if I can ask for just the motor 
> Thanks 
> George cone
>  c&c 40
> Unsinkable 2
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List  
> Date: 9/17/17 11:55 AM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: C&CList  
> Cc: Jack Fitzgerald  
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34 
> 
> Same here, just bought the new Yanmar 3YM30AE for our 39TM to replace 30+ 
> year old 3GM30F hopefull to begin installation early next week. Our mechanic 
> indicates that this engine will be basically a plug and play. This is have to 
> see.
> 
> If the new engine is a trouble free as the old one I will be a happy camper.
> 
> Best regards,
> Jack Fitzgerald
> HONEY - US12788\
> C&C 39TM
> Savannah, GA USA
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Andy,
>> 
>> What sort of fuel consumption change, if any, did you experience with the 
>> 3YM30AE installation?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Dave Godwin
>> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
>> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
>> Ronin’s Overdue Refit
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2017, at 2:31 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just went from 3HM30 to a nice new 3YM30AE. It is an incredible difference; 
>>> quieter, smoother, smaller, and same economy for a little more speed. They 
>>> had to cut down the engine beds an inch or so, but otherwise is a huge 
>>> difference. I did most of the work getting the old engine out and helped 
>>> with the installation of the new one. Still had to pay the mechanic for 23 
>>> hours labor to do the technical and electric stuff. 
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> C&C 40
>>> Peregrine 
>>> 
>>> Andrew Burton
>>> 61 W Narragansett
>>> Newport, RI 
>>> USA02840
>>> 
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>>> +401 965-5260
>>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 23:14, DON JONSSON via CnC-List  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi
 
 It seems I have a leaking head gasket on my Yanmar engine.  It is an old 
 engine but only has 2,000 hours on it.  I'm going to get some quotes on 
 fixing it but I'm sure it won't be cheap and not sure it won't be a waste 
 on an old engine.
 
 The boat is leaking a fair bit of oil which ends up in the bilge.  The 
 best guess when tracing the source is the gasket.  Of course the leak is 
 from an area that is very difficult to get a good look at.  The boat has 
 also suddenly taken to starting very poorly.  Anyway those are the 
 symptoms.  
 
 Has any one replaced a similar engine?  What with and how did it go?  Any 
 things to watch out for?
 
 Thanks
 Don
 Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Balmar alternator

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

My ARS-4 regulator came with a standard factory program for each battery
type. I would start with the default AGM program and go from there.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 17 September 2017 at 14:47, svpegasus38 via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Anyone have experience with setting up a Balmar regulator? I have 600
> amphour capacity in 6 agm batteries. I have figured out most of the
> settings, but am questioning how long to set both bulk, and float charge
> times. Currently bulk is set around 20 minutes and float is about an hour.
> Never fully charged the batteries. I haven't been able to find any
> information on this. I do have the Balmar manual.
> Is it guess work? If set to long will it destroy the batteries, I am
> getting ready to replace them and don't want to hurt the new ones.
> Thanks
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy
> POYC
> Pegasus (for sale)
> Lf38
> Rebecca Leah LF39
>
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Stus-List Balmar alternator

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

Anyone have experience with setting up a Balmar regulator? I have 600 amphour 
capacity in 6 agm batteries. I have figured out most of the settings, but am 
questioning how long to set both bulk, and float charge times. Currently bulk 
is set around 20 minutes and float is about an hour. Never fully charged the 
batteries. I haven't been able to find any information on this. I do have the 
Balmar manual. Is it guess work? If set to long will it destroy the batteries, 
I am getting ready to replace them and don't want to hurt the new ones.  Thanks

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Stus-List List Refrigerator Manual -- C&C 37+

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Edd

I replaced the controller on my Novacool due to it getting very inconsistent 
lately.  Not quite a drop in, mostly due to differences in wire gauges.  But it 
solved all of my problems.

The original controller is no longer available.  But I fond an aftermarket 
replacement in Australia.  Let me know if you want me to dig up the info.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On Sep 17, 2017, at 11:43 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 13:32:50 -0400
> From: Edd Schillay 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Refrigerator Manual -- C&C 37+
> Message-ID: <1864eb04-d4d2-46c9-9276-d97c666bd...@schillay.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Ken,
> 
> The system (or at least most of it) appears to be Nova Kool, though I don't 
> know the model. 
> 
> I've reached out to their support email address and I'll hopefully get some 
> answers soon. 
> 
> I'm cautiously optimistic that the lights and the 5-degree drop is indication 
> that the system is working now. 
> 
> I'll also look for a refrigeration guy at the Norwalk Boat Show next weekend 
> and try to pick his brain. 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> ---
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Re: Stus-List List Refrigerator Manual -- C&C 37+

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Please!! 

On Sep 17, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List  
wrote:

Edd

I replaced the controller on my Novacool due to it getting very inconsistent 
lately.  Not quite a drop in, mostly due to differences in wire gauges.  But it 
solved all of my problems.

The original controller is no longer available.  But I fond an aftermarket 
replacement in Australia.  Let me know if you want me to dig up the info.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On Sep 17, 2017, at 11:43 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
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Re: Stus-List Engine Replacement on 34

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I guess different truckers/companies have different methodology but I've
heard people talk about how big rigs get over 1 million miles.

Josh



On Sep 17, 2017 4:18 PM, "Charlie Nelson via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

I used to ride to meetings with an older (then!) fellow who was involved in
maintenance for a large long-haul freight trucking company. They followed a
simple formula that they probably learned from experience about the diesel
engines on their trucks--they probably had several hundred, maybe even
+1000.

Run it until it had 400,000 miles on it and pull it out of service.

Rebuild engine, run it for 400,000 miles and then trash the truck and
engine.

Then repeat process with new truck/engine.

If you assume a long haul truck averages 50 miles/hour, this converts to ~
8000 hours of running. Given that the marine environment is more severe
than the open road,getting close to 8000 hours on a marine diesel means a
lot of years have passed!

Besides, the technology advances in the years it would take for a marine
diesel to reach 8000 hours would likely make it difficult to find parts and
rebuild it and make the rebuild cost close to the buy new cost.

Charlie Nelson
1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb (replaced original Yanmar with new Beta 28 rather than
rebuild after head cracked running with no engine water!)




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Re: Stus-List Engine Replacement on 34

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

I used to ride to meetings with an older (then!) fellow who was involved in 
maintenance for a large long-haul freight trucking company. They followed a 
simple formula that they probably learned from experience about the diesel 
engines on their trucks--they probably had several hundred, maybe even +1000.


Run it until it had 400,000 miles on it and pull it out of service.


Rebuild engine, run it for 400,000 miles and then trash the truck and engine.


Then repeat process with new truck/engine.


If you assume a long haul truck averages 50 miles/hour, this converts to ~ 8000 
hours of running. Given that the marine environment is more severe than the 
open road,getting close to 8000 hours on a marine diesel means a lot of years 
have passed!


Besides, the technology advances in the years it would take for a marine diesel 
to reach 8000 hours would likely make it difficult to find parts and rebuild it 
and make the rebuild cost close to the buy new cost.


Charlie Nelson
1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb (replaced original Yanmar with new Beta 28 rather than 
rebuild after head cracked running with no engine water!)







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Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Yeah Jack, seems like you got a pretty good life out of it.  I hear about
people getting 25,000 hours out of these Yanmar engines... Mine seems to be
working well and I don't see any change in sight but I'm not sure I would
be able to recognize when it was bad.  FWIW: I don't have an hour meter.

Josh

On Sep 17, 2017 1:17 PM, "Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> She had burnt exhaust valve seats, blown head gasket, pitting on the # 3
> piston and 8,793 hours showing on the clock. Yanmar couldn't provide the
> replacement parts and I didn't want to spend $1500.00 for used head to put
> on a  motor with nearly 9,000 hours and 31 years old. I actually bought the
> 3GM30F in Japan in 1985, the motor was so old that it didn't have glow
> plugs. It replaced the Volvo MD 2 that C&C put in the boat in 1974.
>
> I just hate to cheap my boat so everything that goes into or on her is
> always new and has been since we purchased her in November of 1975.
> Fortunately for me, I export boats and yachts (sail & power) for many of
> the major USA builders still in business as well importing sailing yachts
> for a number of European builders so I can usually ask for and get a favor
> or two when comes to updates and parts, etc..
>
> Best regards,
> Jack Fitzgerald
> HONEY - US12788]\
> C&C 39TM
> Savannah, GA
>
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>
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> What was the indication that your engine was "shot"?
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>> On Sep 17, 2017 12:47 PM, "Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Geo. I
>>>
>>> We bought the new engine, new 2.62 redux gear, B-20 panel, new motor
>>> mounts & water heater take off kit for USD 7,340.00 through one of our
>>> export clients. This customer buys a couple of hundred engines a year from
>>> Yanmar so I can only assume that I got a one time only good deal
>>>
>>> Of course, I had to travel to FL to pick it up and spent another
>>> $200.00+ fuel & for lunch for the folks that purchased the engine for me.
>>> Not sure if this a good deal or not, but mine old engine was shot and I
>>> couldn't wait since we start our fall & winter racing on 30 Sept assuming
>>> that hurricane Maria doesn't take us out
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Jack Fitzgerald
>>> HONEY - US12788
>>> C&C 39TM
>>> Savannah, GA USA
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>>> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 12:12 PM, George Cone via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 What is the cost if I can ask for just the motor
 Thanks
 George cone
  c&c 40
 Unsinkable 2


 Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


  Original message 
 From: Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List 
 Date: 9/17/17 11:55 AM (GMT-05:00)
 To: C&CList 
 Cc: Jack Fitzgerald 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34

 Same here, just bought the new Yanmar 3YM30AE for our 39TM to replace
 30+ year old 3GM30F hopefull to begin installation early next week. Our
 mechanic indicates that this engine will be basically a plug and play. This
 is have to see.

 If the new engine is a trouble free as the old one I will be a happy
 camper.

 Best regards,
 Jack Fitzgerald
 HONEY - US12788\
 C&C 39TM
 Savannah, GA USA


 On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Andy,
>
> What sort of fuel consumption change, if any, did you experience with
> the 3YM30AE installation?
>
> Best,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>
> On Sep 17, 2017, at 2:31 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Just went from 3HM30 to a nice new 3YM30AE. It is an incredible
> difference; quieter, smoother, smaller, and same economy for a little more
> speed. They had to cut down the engine beds an in

Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

Will be happy to Richard.

I only hope that the new 3YM30AE lives up to the standard set by the old
3GM30F for 30 years of trouble free use. However, the past 2 years have
been very painful. so time to replace.

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
HONEY - US12788
C&C 39TM
Savannah, GA USA

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On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Richard via CnC-List  wrote:

> Jack, please be sure and give us the "play-by-play" for your engine
> changeover! Thanks
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 17, 2017, at 12:12 PM, George Cone via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> What is the cost if I can ask for just the motor
> Thanks
> George cone
>  c&c 40
> Unsinkable 2
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List 
> Date: 9/17/17 11:55 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: C&CList 
> Cc: Jack Fitzgerald 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34
>
> Same here, just bought the new Yanmar 3YM30AE for our 39TM to replace 30+
> year old 3GM30F hopefull to begin installation early next week. Our
> mechanic indicates that this engine will be basically a plug and play. This
> is have to see.
>
> If the new engine is a trouble free as the old one I will be a happy
> camper.
>
> Best regards,
> Jack Fitzgerald
> HONEY - US12788\
> C&C 39TM
> Savannah, GA USA
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Andy,
>>
>> What sort of fuel consumption change, if any, did you experience with the
>> 3YM30AE installation?
>>
>> Best,
>> Dave Godwin
>> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
>> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
>> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>>
>> On Sep 17, 2017, at 2:31 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just went from 3HM30 to a nice new 3YM30AE. It is an incredible
>> difference; quieter, smoother, smaller, and same economy for a little more
>> speed. They had to cut down the engine beds an inch or so, but otherwise is
>> a huge difference. I did most of the work getting the old engine out and
>> helped with the installation of the new one. Still had to pay the mechanic
>> for 23 hours labor to do the technical and electric stuff.
>>
>> Andy
>> C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>>
>> Andrew Burton
>> 61 W Narragansett
>> Newport, RI
>> USA02840
>>
>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>> +401 965-5260
>>
>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 23:14, DON JONSSON via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> It seems I have a leaking head gasket on my Yanmar engine.  It is an old
>> engine but only has 2,000 hours on it.  I'm going to get some quotes on
>> fixing it but I'm sure it won't be cheap and not sure it won't be a waste
>> on an old engine.
>>
>> The boat is leaking a fair bit of oil which ends up in the bilge.  The
>> best guess when tracing the source is the gasket.  Of course the leak is
>> from an area that is very difficult to get a good look at.  The boat has
>> also suddenly taken to starting very poorly.  Anyway those are the
>> symptoms.
>>
>> Has any one replaced a similar engine?  What with and how did it go?  Any
>> things to watch out for?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Don
>> Victoria, BC
>>
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Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34

[Richard via CnC-List]

Jack, please be sure and give us the "play-by-play" for your engine changeover! 
Thanks 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2017, at 12:12 PM, George Cone via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> What is the cost if I can ask for just the motor 
> Thanks 
> George cone
>  c&c 40
> Unsinkable 2
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List  
> Date: 9/17/17 11:55 AM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: C&CList  
> Cc: Jack Fitzgerald  
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34 
> 
> Same here, just bought the new Yanmar 3YM30AE for our 39TM to replace 30+ 
> year old 3GM30F hopefull to begin installation early next week. Our mechanic 
> indicates that this engine will be basically a plug and play. This is have to 
> see.
> 
> If the new engine is a trouble free as the old one I will be a happy camper.
> 
> Best regards,
> Jack Fitzgerald
> HONEY - US12788\
> C&C 39TM
> Savannah, GA USA
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Andy,
>> 
>> What sort of fuel consumption change, if any, did you experience with the 
>> 3YM30AE installation?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Dave Godwin
>> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
>> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
>> Ronin’s Overdue Refit
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2017, at 2:31 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just went from 3HM30 to a nice new 3YM30AE. It is an incredible difference; 
>>> quieter, smoother, smaller, and same economy for a little more speed. They 
>>> had to cut down the engine beds an inch or so, but otherwise is a huge 
>>> difference. I did most of the work getting the old engine out and helped 
>>> with the installation of the new one. Still had to pay the mechanic for 23 
>>> hours labor to do the technical and electric stuff. 
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> C&C 40
>>> Peregrine 
>>> 
>>> Andrew Burton
>>> 61 W Narragansett
>>> Newport, RI 
>>> USA02840
>>> 
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>>> +401 965-5260
>>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 23:14, DON JONSSON via CnC-List  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi
 
 It seems I have a leaking head gasket on my Yanmar engine.  It is an old 
 engine but only has 2,000 hours on it.  I'm going to get some quotes on 
 fixing it but I'm sure it won't be cheap and not sure it won't be a waste 
 on an old engine.
 
 The boat is leaking a fair bit of oil which ends up in the bilge.  The 
 best guess when tracing the source is the gasket.  Of course the leak is 
 from an area that is very difficult to get a good look at.  The boat has 
 also suddenly taken to starting very poorly.  Anyway those are the 
 symptoms.  
 
 Has any one replaced a similar engine?  What with and how did it go?  Any 
 things to watch out for?
 
 Thanks
 Don
 Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Agreed, however I've been boarded and inspected by 3 different countries and 
have never been asked to show any charts of any type.  In this day and age I 
doubt anyone would take exception to anyone not carrying paper charts.

Mike
PERSUASION
C&C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Sep 17, 2017, at 12:22 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Paper charts are still required by the authorities.  Only the most expensive 
> and largest military and commercial vessels have qualified electronic charts. 
>  Our "chartplotters" don't count.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> On Sep 17, 2017 12:09 PM, "Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> Always have paper charts for a number of reasons. Also make sure you have at 
> least a radar reflector!  Patrick Wesley 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:04 AM David Kaseler via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>> Chris,
>> Wow. Things can get pretty complicated. 
>> We have been sailing around Puget Sound including the Georgia Strait for 40 
>> years. We have a small Garmin GPS below at the nav station. The important 
>> navigation tools for us are my paper charts, parallel rules, dividers, a 
>> plastic speed distance time calculator (I forget what they call it), depth 
>> sounder and compass. We have a knot meter but are more apt to rely on the 
>> GPS for speed because of the strong currents in our area. We also have an 
>> old hand held GPS which we mount on a bracket on the stern pulpit which we 
>> got from a bike store but we hardly ever use it. 
>> If there is heavy fog we try to stay in port but if we get caught out we 
>> stay far from shipping lanes, and rely heavily on depth sounding contours, 
>> listen for fog horns and sound ours. 
>> Sure it would be nice to have radar and all the rest but these are not in 
>> our budget and provide unwarranted confidence and encourage one to go out 
>> when it would be prudent to stay in port.
>> Just my thoughts. This works for us.
>> Dave. Kaseler
>> 1975 C&C 33 
>> SLY
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go 
>>> and we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C&C 30 and very 
>>> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic 
>>> familiarity with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s 
>>> like we just purchased a 1981 C&C and technology isn’t around yet. However 
>>> every sail is a guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for 
>>> costal navigation. Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear 
>>> by or an iPad with some software curious to hear what other C&C owners use 
>>> to get find their way.
>>> 
>>> Chris Hobson
>>> S/V Going
>>> 1980 C&C MKI
>>> Hull 615
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

Josh,

I'll second the recommendation of the 182C, I had almost the same, a 
192C, until last summer when it suddenly died.  I really liked having it 
on the aft deck house bulkhead were skipper and crew can see and use it. 
   I've replaced it with a Garmin echoMap 54dv, which is pretty much an 
updated version, however, they've made the text size of the numbers 
showing speed, course, etc, so small that it's impossible to see from 
the helm.  (No, it's not just my aging eyes).  Only by connecting 
the data from the GPS to my Tacktick dual display am I able to read the 
data from the helm.  Not sure what Garmin was thinking, as I don't see 
any way to reformat the display text.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 9/17/2017 10:59 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
Our boat came with a Garmin 182C and we've been exceedingly happy with 
its capabilities.  This is our primary navigation device and is used 
100%of the time.  Everything else is a backup or augmentation to this 
device.  They can be found for pretty cheap on ebay and had the option 
of an integrated gps antenna.  No need to wire anymore than +12v and 
ground.  You'll need the blue chart card for your area... For some 
areas the cards are readily available and cheap.  Other areas can be 
rare and expensive.


We also keep MX Mariner on our phones with an Active Captain account 
synchronized for points of interest. MX mariner charts are 
free/updates are regular and free too.


I have assembled an OpenPlotter and installed it on the boat.  It 
works and uses OpenCPN to display charts. Since I'm using the 
OpenPlotter as a headless device I also have a laptop (running 
Navigatrix) which also has OpenCPN installed.  The great thing about 
OpenCPN is that it is free and the charts are free.  OpenPlotter, 
OpenCPN and Navigatrix are all open source software so they are free.  
The charts for OpenCPN are available for free download from NOAA and 
have regular updates.


https://youtu.be/C9DKu0P7-tM

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sep 16, 2017 9:30 PM, "Chris Hobson via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


We're in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come
and go and we're new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981
C&C 30 and very little in the way of navigation other than dead
reckoning, basic familiarity with the area and a compass at the
helm. It's fun because it's like we just purchased a 1981 C&C and
technology isn't around yet. However every sail is a guessing game
and I'd like to hear what others use for costal navigation.
Whether it's real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear by or an
iPad with some software curious to hear what other C&C owners use
to get find their way.

Chris Hobson
S/V Going
1980 C&C MKI
Hull 615



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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 140, Issue 81

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Don

I used an excellent diesel mechanic in Sydney this summer.  He was recommended 
by Stewart, at U.K. Sails and is the best diesel mechanic I have used, ever.  
Just wish he was closer.

His name is Ben Gartside, of Gartside Marine Engine.  250-655-4543
gartsidemar...@shaw.ca

If I had what you have, I would consider flying him down to Seattle to check I 
out.

GL

Tom B

Typoed from my iPhone

Tom Buscaglia
Alera 1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
O 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660
Skype - thombusc



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>>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 23:14, DON JONSSON via CnC-List >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> It seems I have a leaking head gasket on my Yanmar engine.  It is an old 
>>> engine but only has 2,000 hours on it.  I'm going to get some quotes on 
>>> fixing it but I'm sure it won't be cheap and not sure it won't be a waste 
>>> on an old engine.
>>> 
>>> The boat is leaking a fair bit of oil which ends up in the bilge.  The best 
>>> guess when tracing the source is the gasket.  Of course the leak is from an 
>>> area that is very difficult to get a good look at.  The boat has also 
>>> suddenly taken to starting very poorly.  Anyway those are the symptoms.  
>>> 
>>> Has any one replaced a similar engine?  What with and how did it go?  Any 
>>> things to watch out for?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Don
>>> Victoria, BC
>>> ___


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Re: Stus-List Refrigerator Manual -- C&C 37+

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Ken,

The system (or at least most of it) appears to be Nova Kool, though I don't 
know the model. 

I've reached out to their support email address and I'll hopefully get some 
answers soon. 

I'm cautiously optimistic that the lights and the 5-degree drop is indication 
that the system is working now. 

I'll also look for a refrigeration guy at the Norwalk Boat Show next weekend 
and try to pick his brain. 

All the best,

Edd

---
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Captain of the Starship Enterprise 
C&C 37+ 
Sail Number: NCC-1701-B
City Island, New York
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On Sep 17, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Ken Heaton  wrote:

Sorry to disappoint Edd but I have no idea who made the Thermostat you have in 
that photo.  Our boat was built with no refrigeration, it was added later but 
doesn't use that type of thermostat.

I have the Build File for one other 37 XL and it had a Sea Frost (Engine 
Driven??) with Shore Assist factory installed, if that helps your search.  I 
had a quick look at the Sea Frost site and I didn't see anything resembling 
your thermostat.

Ken H.

> On 16 September 2017 at 17:29, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Listers,
> 
> I did some surgery today on the fridge in my C&C 37+ and it appears to be 
> working (5 degrees cooler in 15 minutes). 
> 
> Does anyone on the list have a manual for one of these things? I have a 
> control knob and a series of lights (one red on each row). See 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dqk4k7v15327ded/Fridge.jpg?dl=0
> 
> I'd love to know what the lights mean and how to adjust. 
> 
> In other words: Help me Obi Wan Ken Heaton, you're my only hope. 
> 
> (Apologies for the temporary change of sci-fi genres.)
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> ---
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise 
> C&C 37+ 
> Sail Number: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, New York
> ---
> 914.774.9767   | Mobile
> ---
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Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

She had burnt exhaust valve seats, blown head gasket, pitting on the # 3
piston and 8,793 hours showing on the clock. Yanmar couldn't provide the
replacement parts and I didn't want to spend $1500.00 for used head to put
on a  motor with nearly 9,000 hours and 31 years old. I actually bought the
3GM30F in Japan in 1985, the motor was so old that it didn't have glow
plugs. It replaced the Volvo MD 2 that C&C put in the boat in 1974.

I just hate to cheap my boat so everything that goes into or on her is
always new and has been since we purchased her in November of 1975.
Fortunately for me, I export boats and yachts (sail & power) for many of
the major USA builders still in business as well importing sailing yachts
for a number of European builders so I can usually ask for and get a favor
or two when comes to updates and parts, etc..

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
HONEY - US12788]\
C&C 39TM
Savannah, GA

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On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> What was the indication that your engine was "shot"?
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Sep 17, 2017 12:47 PM, "Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Geo. I
>>
>> We bought the new engine, new 2.62 redux gear, B-20 panel, new motor
>> mounts & water heater take off kit for USD 7,340.00 through one of our
>> export clients. This customer buys a couple of hundred engines a year from
>> Yanmar so I can only assume that I got a one time only good deal
>>
>> Of course, I had to travel to FL to pick it up and spent another $200.00+
>> fuel & for lunch for the folks that purchased the engine for me. Not sure
>> if this a good deal or not, but mine old engine was shot and I couldn't
>> wait since we start our fall & winter racing on 30 Sept assuming that
>> hurricane Maria doesn't take us out
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Jack Fitzgerald
>> HONEY - US12788
>> C&C 39TM
>> Savannah, GA USA
>>
>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>> privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
>> notified
>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
>> communication is strictly prohibited.  Please reply to the sender that you
>> have received this message in error, then delete it.  Thank you
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 12:12 PM, George Cone via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What is the cost if I can ask for just the motor
>>> Thanks
>>> George cone
>>>  c&c 40
>>> Unsinkable 2
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List 
>>> Date: 9/17/17 11:55 AM (GMT-05:00)
>>> To: C&CList 
>>> Cc: Jack Fitzgerald 
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34
>>>
>>> Same here, just bought the new Yanmar 3YM30AE for our 39TM to replace
>>> 30+ year old 3GM30F hopefull to begin installation early next week. Our
>>> mechanic indicates that this engine will be basically a plug and play. This
>>> is have to see.
>>>
>>> If the new engine is a trouble free as the old one I will be a happy
>>> camper.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Jack Fitzgerald
>>> HONEY - US12788\
>>> C&C 39TM
>>> Savannah, GA USA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 Andy,

 What sort of fuel consumption change, if any, did you experience with
 the 3YM30AE installation?

 Best,
 Dave Godwin
 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
 Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
 Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

 On Sep 17, 2017, at 2:31 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

 Just went from 3HM30 to a nice new 3YM30AE. It is an incredible
 difference; quieter, smoother, smaller, and same economy for a little more
 speed. They had to cut down the engine beds an inch or so, but otherwise is
 a huge difference. I did most of the work getting the old engine out and
 helped with the installation of the new one. Still had to pay the mechanic
 for 23 hours labor to do the technical and electric stuff.

 Andy
 C&C 40
 Peregrine

 Andrew Burton
 61 W Narragansett
 Newport, RI
 USA02840

 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
 +401 965-5260

 On Sep 16, 2017, at 23:14, DON JONSSON via CnC-List <
 cnc-list@cnc-list.c

Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

What was the indication that your engine was "shot"?

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sep 17, 2017 12:47 PM, "Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Geo. I
>
> We bought the new engine, new 2.62 redux gear, B-20 panel, new motor
> mounts & water heater take off kit for USD 7,340.00 through one of our
> export clients. This customer buys a couple of hundred engines a year from
> Yanmar so I can only assume that I got a one time only good deal
>
> Of course, I had to travel to FL to pick it up and spent another $200.00+
> fuel & for lunch for the folks that purchased the engine for me. Not sure
> if this a good deal or not, but mine old engine was shot and I couldn't
> wait since we start our fall & winter racing on 30 Sept assuming that
> hurricane Maria doesn't take us out
>
> Best regards,
> Jack Fitzgerald
> HONEY - US12788
> C&C 39TM
> Savannah, GA USA
>
> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
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> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
> communication is strictly prohibited.  Please reply to the sender that you
> have received this message in error, then delete it.  Thank you
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 12:12 PM, George Cone via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> What is the cost if I can ask for just the motor
>> Thanks
>> George cone
>>  c&c 40
>> Unsinkable 2
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List 
>> Date: 9/17/17 11:55 AM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: C&CList 
>> Cc: Jack Fitzgerald 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34
>>
>> Same here, just bought the new Yanmar 3YM30AE for our 39TM to replace 30+
>> year old 3GM30F hopefull to begin installation early next week. Our
>> mechanic indicates that this engine will be basically a plug and play. This
>> is have to see.
>>
>> If the new engine is a trouble free as the old one I will be a happy
>> camper.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Jack Fitzgerald
>> HONEY - US12788\
>> C&C 39TM
>> Savannah, GA USA
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Andy,
>>>
>>> What sort of fuel consumption change, if any, did you experience with
>>> the 3YM30AE installation?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Dave Godwin
>>> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
>>> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
>>> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>>>
>>> On Sep 17, 2017, at 2:31 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just went from 3HM30 to a nice new 3YM30AE. It is an incredible
>>> difference; quieter, smoother, smaller, and same economy for a little more
>>> speed. They had to cut down the engine beds an inch or so, but otherwise is
>>> a huge difference. I did most of the work getting the old engine out and
>>> helped with the installation of the new one. Still had to pay the mechanic
>>> for 23 hours labor to do the technical and electric stuff.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>> C&C 40
>>> Peregrine
>>>
>>> Andrew Burton
>>> 61 W Narragansett
>>> Newport, RI
>>> USA02840
>>>
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>>> +401 965-5260
>>>
>>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 23:14, DON JONSSON via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> It seems I have a leaking head gasket on my Yanmar engine.  It is an old
>>> engine but only has 2,000 hours on it.  I'm going to get some quotes on
>>> fixing it but I'm sure it won't be cheap and not sure it won't be a waste
>>> on an old engine.
>>>
>>> The boat is leaking a fair bit of oil which ends up in the bilge.  The
>>> best guess when tracing the source is the gasket.  Of course the leak is
>>> from an area that is very difficult to get a good look at.  The boat has
>>> also suddenly taken to starting very poorly.  Anyway those are the
>>> symptoms.
>>>
>>> Has any one replaced a similar engine?  What with and how did it go?
>>> Any things to watch out for?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Don
>>> Victoria, BC
>>>
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>>> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:
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Re: Stus-List Refrigerator Manual -- C&C 37+

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Ken, what hull number is that build file for?  My boat has remnants of a
sea frost system and appears to have had the option of engine driven or
shore power.

BTW: what do we all have to do to get you to showcase Salazar in Port
Jefferson next year?


Thanks,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD


On Sep 17, 2017 12:48 PM, "Ken Heaton via CnC-List" 
wrote:

Sorry to disappoint Edd but I have no idea who made the Thermostat you have
in that photo.  Our boat was built with no refrigeration, it was added
later but doesn't use that type of thermostat.

I have the Build File for one other 37 XL and it had a Sea Frost (Engine
Driven??) with Shore Assist factory installed, if that helps your search.
I had a quick look at the Sea Frost site and I didn't see anything
resembling your thermostat.

Ken H.

On 16 September 2017 at 17:29, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> I did some surgery today on the fridge in my C&C 37+ and it appears to be
> working (5 degrees cooler in 15 minutes).
>
> Does anyone on the list have a manual for one of these things? I have a
> control knob and a series of lights (one red on each row). See
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dqk4k7v15327ded/Fridge.jpg?dl=0
>
> I'd love to know what the lights mean and how to adjust.
>
> In other words: Help me Obi Wan Ken Heaton, you're my only hope.
>
> (Apologies for the temporary change of sci-fi genres.)
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
> ---
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+
> Sail Number: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, New York
> ---
> 914.774.9767 <(914)%20774-9767>   | Mobile
> ---
> Sent via iPhone 7
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>
>
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Re: Stus-List Refrigerator Manual -- C&C 37+

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Sorry to disappoint Edd but I have no idea who made the Thermostat you have
in that photo.  Our boat was built with no refrigeration, it was added
later but doesn't use that type of thermostat.

I have the Build File for one other 37 XL and it had a Sea Frost (Engine
Driven??) with Shore Assist factory installed, if that helps your search.
I had a quick look at the Sea Frost site and I didn't see anything
resembling your thermostat.

Ken H.

On 16 September 2017 at 17:29, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> I did some surgery today on the fridge in my C&C 37+ and it appears to be
> working (5 degrees cooler in 15 minutes).
>
> Does anyone on the list have a manual for one of these things? I have a
> control knob and a series of lights (one red on each row). See
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dqk4k7v15327ded/Fridge.jpg?dl=0
>
> I'd love to know what the lights mean and how to adjust.
>
> In other words: Help me Obi Wan Ken Heaton, you're my only hope.
>
> (Apologies for the temporary change of sci-fi genres.)
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
> ---
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+
> Sail Number: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, New York
> ---
> 914.774.9767 <(914)%20774-9767>   | Mobile
> ---
> Sent via iPhone 7
> iPhone. iTypos. iApologize
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

Geo. I

We bought the new engine, new 2.62 redux gear, B-20 panel, new motor mounts
& water heater take off kit for USD 7,340.00 through one of our export
clients. This customer buys a couple of hundred engines a year from Yanmar
so I can only assume that I got a one time only good deal

Of course, I had to travel to FL to pick it up and spent another $200.00+
fuel & for lunch for the folks that purchased the engine for me. Not sure
if this a good deal or not, but mine old engine was shot and I couldn't
wait since we start our fall & winter racing on 30 Sept assuming that
hurricane Maria doesn't take us out

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
HONEY - US12788
C&C 39TM
Savannah, GA USA

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On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 12:12 PM, George Cone via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> What is the cost if I can ask for just the motor
> Thanks
> George cone
>  c&c 40
> Unsinkable 2
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List 
> Date: 9/17/17 11:55 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: C&CList 
> Cc: Jack Fitzgerald 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34
>
> Same here, just bought the new Yanmar 3YM30AE for our 39TM to replace 30+
> year old 3GM30F hopefull to begin installation early next week. Our
> mechanic indicates that this engine will be basically a plug and play. This
> is have to see.
>
> If the new engine is a trouble free as the old one I will be a happy
> camper.
>
> Best regards,
> Jack Fitzgerald
> HONEY - US12788\
> C&C 39TM
> Savannah, GA USA
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Andy,
>>
>> What sort of fuel consumption change, if any, did you experience with the
>> 3YM30AE installation?
>>
>> Best,
>> Dave Godwin
>> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
>> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
>> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>>
>> On Sep 17, 2017, at 2:31 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just went from 3HM30 to a nice new 3YM30AE. It is an incredible
>> difference; quieter, smoother, smaller, and same economy for a little more
>> speed. They had to cut down the engine beds an inch or so, but otherwise is
>> a huge difference. I did most of the work getting the old engine out and
>> helped with the installation of the new one. Still had to pay the mechanic
>> for 23 hours labor to do the technical and electric stuff.
>>
>> Andy
>> C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>>
>> Andrew Burton
>> 61 W Narragansett
>> Newport, RI
>> USA02840
>>
>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>> +401 965-5260
>>
>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 23:14, DON JONSSON via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> It seems I have a leaking head gasket on my Yanmar engine.  It is an old
>> engine but only has 2,000 hours on it.  I'm going to get some quotes on
>> fixing it but I'm sure it won't be cheap and not sure it won't be a waste
>> on an old engine.
>>
>> The boat is leaking a fair bit of oil which ends up in the bilge.  The
>> best guess when tracing the source is the gasket.  Of course the leak is
>> from an area that is very difficult to get a good look at.  The boat has
>> also suddenly taken to starting very poorly.  Anyway those are the
>> symptoms.
>>
>> Has any one replaced a similar engine?  What with and how did it go?  Any
>> things to watch out for?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Don
>> Victoria, BC
>>
>> ___
>>
>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you
>> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:
>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>>
>> All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
>>
>> ___
>>
>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you
>> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:
>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>>
>> All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:
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>>
>
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Even the ones that NOAA gives away aren't officially authorized for
navigation.  The exception is when a certified chart printer is used to
print the charts from the free files.  Obviously there is a charge for such
services.

Josh



On Sep 17, 2017 12:18 PM, "Persuasion37 via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Let's not forget us Canadians do not give away free charts.
>
> Mike
> PERSUASION
> C&C 37 K/CB
> Long Sault
>
> On Sep 17, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> On or first boat, an oday 22, I used water repellant paper charts.  These
> were fine as we didn't really go very far.  When we moved up to a 33 foot I
> got a sitex 7 inch for 1/2 the cost of a raymarine and it worked great.  We
> now have all Raymarine.
>
> That being said,  I think the navionics app on your smartphone is a great
> place to start.
>
> If you are just daysailing the same limited area for now, you should at
> least be studying the paper charts, all are available on line for free, to
> see what your obstacles are and then try to identify where they in the real
> world so you can stay away from them.  Otherwise, you may just find some
> the hard way!
>
> Danny
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>  Original message 
> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> Date: 9/17/17 9:14 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Edd Schillay 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is
> none
>
> Chris,
>
> Up until last year, we had a Garmin GPSMap 2006C at the helm. We are now
> running with a Raymarine e97, which also interfaces with the autopilot and,
> eventually, other instruments (wind, speed, depth).
>
> On the e97, we have downloaded to raster charts, vector charts, c-map, and
> Navionics Platinum which does point-to-point auto-routing, based on the
> boat data (beam, draft, mast height) that you plug in.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
> ---
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+
> Sail Number: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, New York
> ---
> 914.774.9767 <(914)%20774-9767>   | Mobile
> ---
> Sent via iPhone 7
> iPhone. iTypos. iApologize
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go
> and we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C&C 30 and very
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic
> familiarity with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s
> like we just purchased a 1981 C&C and technology isn’t around yet. However
> every sail is a guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for
> costal navigation. Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear
> by or an iPad with some software curious to hear what other C&C owners use
> to get find their way.
>
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C&C MKI
> Hull 615
>
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Paper charts are still required by the authorities.  Only the most
expensive and largest military and commercial vessels have qualified
electronic charts.  Our "chartplotters" don't count.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sep 17, 2017 12:09 PM, "Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Always have paper charts for a number of reasons. Also make sure you have
at least a radar reflector!  Patrick Wesley

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:04 AM David Kaseler via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Chris,
> Wow. Things can get pretty complicated.
> We have been sailing around Puget Sound including the Georgia Strait for
> 40 years. We have a small Garmin GPS below at the nav station. The
> important navigation tools for us are my paper charts, parallel rules,
> dividers, a plastic speed distance time calculator (I forget what they call
> it), depth sounder and compass. We have a knot meter but are more apt to
> rely on the GPS for speed because of the strong currents in our area. We
> also have an old hand held GPS which we mount on a bracket on the stern
> pulpit which we got from a bike store but we hardly ever use it.
> If there is heavy fog we try to stay in port but if we get caught out we
> stay far from shipping lanes, and rely heavily on depth sounding contours,
> listen for fog horns and sound ours.
> Sure it would be nice to have radar and all the rest but these are not in
> our budget and provide unwarranted confidence and encourage one to go out
> when it would be prudent to stay in port.
> Just my thoughts. This works for us.
> Dave. Kaseler
> 1975 C&C 33
> SLY
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 16, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go
> and we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C&C 30 and very
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic
> familiarity with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s
> like we just purchased a 1981 C&C and technology isn’t around yet. However
> every sail is a guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for
> costal navigation. Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear
> by or an iPad with some software curious to hear what other C&C owners use
> to get find their way.
>
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C&C MKI
> Hull 615
>
>
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Patrick

What's your sailing radius.  Paper charts are heavy and take up a lot of space. 
 I was once told the paper charts to go from Toronto to St. John's weighed 60 
lbs.  Heck our coast guards don't use paper any more.

Been paperless and happy for at least 5 years.  

Mike
PERSUASION
C&C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Sep 17, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Always have paper charts for a number of reasons. Also make sure you have at 
> least a radar reflector!  Patrick Wesley 
> 
>> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:04 AM David Kaseler via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Chris,
>> Wow. Things can get pretty complicated. 
>> We have been sailing around Puget Sound including the Georgia Strait for 40 
>> years. We have a small Garmin GPS below at the nav station. The important 
>> navigation tools for us are my paper charts, parallel rules, dividers, a 
>> plastic speed distance time calculator (I forget what they call it), depth 
>> sounder and compass. We have a knot meter but are more apt to rely on the 
>> GPS for speed because of the strong currents in our area. We also have an 
>> old hand held GPS which we mount on a bracket on the stern pulpit which we 
>> got from a bike store but we hardly ever use it. 
>> If there is heavy fog we try to stay in port but if we get caught out we 
>> stay far from shipping lanes, and rely heavily on depth sounding contours, 
>> listen for fog horns and sound ours. 
>> Sure it would be nice to have radar and all the rest but these are not in 
>> our budget and provide unwarranted confidence and encourage one to go out 
>> when it would be prudent to stay in port.
>> Just my thoughts. This works for us.
>> Dave. Kaseler
>> 1975 C&C 33 
>> SLY
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go 
>>> and we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C&C 30 and very 
>>> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic 
>>> familiarity with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s 
>>> like we just purchased a 1981 C&C and technology isn’t around yet. However 
>>> every sail is a guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for 
>>> costal navigation. Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear 
>>> by or an iPad with some software curious to hear what other C&C owners use 
>>> to get find their way.
>>> 
>>> Chris Hobson
>>> S/V Going
>>> 1980 C&C MKI
>>> Hull 615
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Let's not forget us Canadians do not give away free charts.

Mike
PERSUASION
C&C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Sep 17, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> On or first boat, an oday 22, I used water repellant paper charts.  These 
> were fine as we didn't really go very far.  When we moved up to a 33 foot I 
> got a sitex 7 inch for 1/2 the cost of a raymarine and it worked great.  We 
> now have all Raymarine.  
> 
> That being said,  I think the navionics app on your smartphone is a great 
> place to start.   
> 
> If you are just daysailing the same limited area for now, you should at least 
> be studying the paper charts, all are available on line for free, to see what 
> your obstacles are and then try to identify where they in the real world so 
> you can stay away from them.  Otherwise, you may just find some the hard way! 
> 
> Danny
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> Date: 9/17/17 9:14 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Edd Schillay 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Up until last year, we had a Garmin GPSMap 2006C at the helm. We are now 
> running with a Raymarine e97, which also interfaces with the autopilot and, 
> eventually, other instruments (wind, speed, depth). 
> 
> On the e97, we have downloaded to raster charts, vector charts, c-map, and 
> Navionics Platinum which does point-to-point auto-routing, based on the boat 
> data (beam, draft, mast height) that you plug in. 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> ---
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise 
> C&C 37+ 
> Sail Number: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, New York
> ---
> 914.774.9767   | Mobile
> ---
> Sent via iPhone 7
> iPhone. iTypos. iApologize
> 
> 
> On Sep 16, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go and 
> we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C&C 30 and very 
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic familiarity 
> with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s like we just 
> purchased a 1981 C&C and technology isn’t around yet. However every sail is a 
> guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for costal navigation. 
> Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear by or an iPad with 
> some software curious to hear what other C&C owners use to get find their way.
> 
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C&C MKI
> Hull 615
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34

[George Cone via CnC-List]

What is the cost if I can ask for just the motor
Thanks
George cone
 c&c 40
Unsinkable 2


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


 Original message 
From: Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List 
Date: 9/17/17 11:55 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: C&CList 
Cc: Jack Fitzgerald 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34

Same here, just bought the new Yanmar 3YM30AE for our 39TM to replace 30+ year 
old 3GM30F hopefull to begin installation early next week. Our mechanic 
indicates that this engine will be basically a plug and play. This is have to 
see.

If the new engine is a trouble free as the old one I will be a happy camper.

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
HONEY - US12788\
C&C 39TM
Savannah, GA USA


On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Andy,

What sort of fuel consumption change, if any, did you experience with the 
3YM30AE installation?

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit

On Sep 17, 2017, at 2:31 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Just went from 3HM30 to a nice new 3YM30AE. It is an incredible difference; 
quieter, smoother, smaller, and same economy for a little more speed. They had 
to cut down the engine beds an inch or so, but otherwise is a huge difference. 
I did most of the work getting the old engine out and helped with the 
installation of the new one. Still had to pay the mechanic for 23 hours labor 
to do the technical and electric stuff.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

On Sep 16, 2017, at 23:14, DON JONSSON via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi

It seems I have a leaking head gasket on my Yanmar engine.  It is an old engine 
but only has 2,000 hours on it.  I'm going to get some quotes on fixing it but 
I'm sure it won't be cheap and not sure it won't be a waste on an old engine.

The boat is leaking a fair bit of oil which ends up in the bilge.  The best 
guess when tracing the source is the gasket.  Of course the leak is from an 
area that is very difficult to get a good look at.  The boat has also suddenly 
taken to starting very poorly.  Anyway those are the symptoms.

Has any one replaced a similar engine?  What with and how did it go?  Any 
things to watch out for?

Thanks
Don
Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List]

Always have paper charts for a number of reasons. Also make sure you have
at least a radar reflector!  Patrick Wesley

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:04 AM David Kaseler via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Chris,
> Wow. Things can get pretty complicated.
> We have been sailing around Puget Sound including the Georgia Strait for
> 40 years. We have a small Garmin GPS below at the nav station. The
> important navigation tools for us are my paper charts, parallel rules,
> dividers, a plastic speed distance time calculator (I forget what they call
> it), depth sounder and compass. We have a knot meter but are more apt to
> rely on the GPS for speed because of the strong currents in our area. We
> also have an old hand held GPS which we mount on a bracket on the stern
> pulpit which we got from a bike store but we hardly ever use it.
> If there is heavy fog we try to stay in port but if we get caught out we
> stay far from shipping lanes, and rely heavily on depth sounding contours,
> listen for fog horns and sound ours.
> Sure it would be nice to have radar and all the rest but these are not in
> our budget and provide unwarranted confidence and encourage one to go out
> when it would be prudent to stay in port.
> Just my thoughts. This works for us.
> Dave. Kaseler
> 1975 C&C 33
> SLY
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 16, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go
> and we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C&C 30 and very
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic
> familiarity with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s
> like we just purchased a 1981 C&C and technology isn’t around yet. However
> every sail is a guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for
> costal navigation. Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear
> by or an iPad with some software curious to hear what other C&C owners use
> to get find their way.
>
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C&C MKI
> Hull 615
>
>
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[David Kaseler via CnC-List]

Chris,
Wow. Things can get pretty complicated. 
We have been sailing around Puget Sound including the Georgia Strait for 40 
years. We have a small Garmin GPS below at the nav station. The important 
navigation tools for us are my paper charts, parallel rules, dividers, a 
plastic speed distance time calculator (I forget what they call it), depth 
sounder and compass. We have a knot meter but are more apt to rely on the GPS 
for speed because of the strong currents in our area. We also have an old hand 
held GPS which we mount on a bracket on the stern pulpit which we got from a 
bike store but we hardly ever use it. 
If there is heavy fog we try to stay in port but if we get caught out we stay 
far from shipping lanes, and rely heavily on depth sounding contours, listen 
for fog horns and sound ours. 
Sure it would be nice to have radar and all the rest but these are not in our 
budget and provide unwarranted confidence and encourage one to go out when it 
would be prudent to stay in port.
Just my thoughts. This works for us.
Dave. Kaseler
1975 C&C 33 
SLY


Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 16, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go and 
> we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C&C 30 and very 
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic familiarity 
> with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s like we just 
> purchased a 1981 C&C and technology isn’t around yet. However every sail is a 
> guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for costal navigation. 
> Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear by or an iPad with 
> some software curious to hear what other C&C owners use to get find their way.
> 
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C&C MKI
> Hull 615
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

Same here, just bought the new Yanmar 3YM30AE for our 39TM to replace 30+
year old 3GM30F hopefull to begin installation early next week. Our
mechanic indicates that this engine will be basically a plug and play. This
is have to see.

If the new engine is a trouble free as the old one I will be a happy camper.

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
HONEY - US12788\
C&C 39TM
Savannah, GA USA


On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Andy,
>
> What sort of fuel consumption change, if any, did you experience with the
> 3YM30AE installation?
>
> Best,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>
> On Sep 17, 2017, at 2:31 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Just went from 3HM30 to a nice new 3YM30AE. It is an incredible
> difference; quieter, smoother, smaller, and same economy for a little more
> speed. They had to cut down the engine beds an inch or so, but otherwise is
> a huge difference. I did most of the work getting the old engine out and
> helped with the installation of the new one. Still had to pay the mechanic
> for 23 hours labor to do the technical and electric stuff.
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> On Sep 16, 2017, at 23:14, DON JONSSON via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> It seems I have a leaking head gasket on my Yanmar engine.  It is an old
> engine but only has 2,000 hours on it.  I'm going to get some quotes on
> fixing it but I'm sure it won't be cheap and not sure it won't be a waste
> on an old engine.
>
> The boat is leaking a fair bit of oil which ends up in the bilge.  The
> best guess when tracing the source is the gasket.  Of course the leak is
> from an area that is very difficult to get a good look at.  The boat has
> also suddenly taken to starting very poorly.  Anyway those are the
> symptoms.
>
> Has any one replaced a similar engine?  What with and how did it go?  Any
> things to watch out for?
>
> Thanks
> Don
> Victoria, BC
>
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Our boat came with a Garmin 182C and we've been exceedingly happy with its
capabilities.  This is our primary navigation device and is used 100%of the
time.  Everything else is a backup or augmentation to this device.  They
can be found for pretty cheap on ebay and had the option of an integrated
gps antenna.  No need to wire anymore than +12v and ground.  You'll need
the blue chart card for your area... For some areas the cards are readily
available and cheap.  Other areas can be rare and expensive.

We also keep MX Mariner on our phones with an Active Captain account
synchronized for points of interest.  MX mariner charts are free/updates
are regular and free too.

I have assembled an OpenPlotter and installed it on the boat.  It works and
uses OpenCPN to display charts.  Since I'm using the OpenPlotter as a
headless device I also have a laptop (running Navigatrix) which also has
OpenCPN installed.  The great thing about OpenCPN is that it is free and
the charts are free.  OpenPlotter, OpenCPN and Navigatrix are all open
source software so they are free.  The charts for OpenCPN are available for
free download from NOAA and have regular updates.

https://youtu.be/C9DKu0P7-tM

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sep 16, 2017 9:30 PM, "Chris Hobson via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go
> and we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C&C 30 and very
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic
> familiarity with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s
> like we just purchased a 1981 C&C and technology isn’t around yet. However
> every sail is a guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for
> costal navigation. Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear
> by or an iPad with some software curious to hear what other C&C owners use
> to get find their way.
>
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C&C MKI
> Hull 615
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

On or first boat, an oday 22, I used water repellant paper charts.  These were 
fine as we didn't really go very far.  When we moved up to a 33 foot I got a 
sitex 7 inch for 1/2 the cost of a raymarine and it worked great.  We now have 
all Raymarine.  
That being said,  I think the navionics app on your smartphone is a great place 
to start.   
If you are just daysailing the same limited area for now, you should at least 
be studying the paper charts, all are available on line for free, to see what 
your obstacles are and then try to identify where they in the real world so you 
can stay away from them.  Otherwise, you may just find some the hard way! 
Danny


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 Original message From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 Date: 9/17/17  9:14 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none 
Chris,
Up until last year, we had a Garmin GPSMap 2006C at the helm. We are now 
running with a Raymarine e97, which also interfaces with the autopilot and, 
eventually, other instruments (wind, speed, depth). 
On the e97, we have downloaded to raster charts, vector charts, c-map, and 
Navionics Platinum which does point-to-point auto-routing, based on the boat 
data (beam, draft, mast height) that you plug in. 

All the best,
Edd
---Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship 
Enterprise C&C 37+ Sail Number: NCC-1701-BCity Island, New 
York---914.774.9767   | 
Mobile---Sent via iPhone 7iPhone. iTypos. 
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On Sep 16, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List  
wrote:

We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go and 
we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C&C 30 and very little 
in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic familiarity with the 
area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s like we just purchased a 
1981 C&C and technology isn’t around yet. However every sail is a guessing game 
and I’d like to hear what others use for costal navigation. Whether it’s real 
tangible maps, a GPS system you swear by or an iPad with some software curious 
to hear what other C&C owners use to get find their way.

Chris HobsonS/V Going1980 C&C MKIHull 615



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Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Andy,

What sort of fuel consumption change, if any, did you experience with the 
3YM30AE installation?

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Sep 17, 2017, at 2:31 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just went from 3HM30 to a nice new 3YM30AE. It is an incredible difference; 
> quieter, smoother, smaller, and same economy for a little more speed. They 
> had to cut down the engine beds an inch or so, but otherwise is a huge 
> difference. I did most of the work getting the old engine out and helped with 
> the installation of the new one. Still had to pay the mechanic for 23 hours 
> labor to do the technical and electric stuff. 
> 
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine 
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI 
> USA02840
> 
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
> 
> +401 965-5260
> 
> On Sep 16, 2017, at 23:14, DON JONSSON via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> It seems I have a leaking head gasket on my Yanmar engine.  It is an old 
>> engine but only has 2,000 hours on it.  I'm going to get some quotes on 
>> fixing it but I'm sure it won't be cheap and not sure it won't be a waste on 
>> an old engine.
>> 
>> The boat is leaking a fair bit of oil which ends up in the bilge.  The best 
>> guess when tracing the source is the gasket.  Of course the leak is from an 
>> area that is very difficult to get a good look at.  The boat has also 
>> suddenly taken to starting very poorly.  Anyway those are the symptoms.  
>> 
>> Has any one replaced a similar engine?  What with and how did it go?  Any 
>> things to watch out for?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Don
>> Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Chris,

Up until last year, we had a Garmin GPSMap 2006C at the helm. We are now 
running with a Raymarine e97, which also interfaces with the autopilot and, 
eventually, other instruments (wind, speed, depth). 

On the e97, we have downloaded to raster charts, vector charts, c-map, and 
Navionics Platinum which does point-to-point auto-routing, based on the boat 
data (beam, draft, mast height) that you plug in. 

All the best,

Edd

---
Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise 
C&C 37+ 
Sail Number: NCC-1701-B
City Island, New York
---
914.774.9767   | Mobile
---
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On Sep 16, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List  
wrote:

We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go and 
we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C&C 30 and very little 
in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic familiarity with the 
area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s like we just purchased a 
1981 C&C and technology isn’t around yet. However every sail is a guessing game 
and I’d like to hear what others use for costal navigation. Whether it’s real 
tangible maps, a GPS system you swear by or an iPad with some software curious 
to hear what other C&C owners use to get find their way.

Chris Hobson
S/V Going
1980 C&C MKI
Hull 615


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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Chris

You've received lots of good advise.  One recommendation I would make is get 
Garmin Blue Charts then become an Active Captain member and download the data 
base.  I found Active Captain invaluable on our cruise to the Bahamas and back.

I use android tablet at the helm with Navionics, iPad with Garmin as back up.  
In the salon I use radar with cmap cards (old school), laptop running 
SailCruiser (cmap charts) with integrated AIS transceiver connect to ST60 
autopilot.

Mike
PERSUASION
C&C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Sep 16, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go and 
> we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C&C 30 and very 
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic familiarity 
> with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s like we just 
> purchased a 1981 C&C and technology isn’t around yet. However every sail is a 
> guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for costal navigation. 
> Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear by or an iPad with 
> some software curious to hear what other C&C owners use to get find their way.
> 
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C&C MKI
> Hull 615
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

An older Garmin 292 mounted at the helm, a (handheld) Garmin 76Csx in a
stand with power cable at the nav table. PC Laptop (with a Garmin GPS 20x)
running Garmin nRoute (or something else) at the nav when we're doing
serious multi-day cruising.  A Furuno GPS (old school, not a plotter) at
the nav table as well.

Like Jim, Most days, it's just the 292.

Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
S/V Salazar - Can 54955
C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia


On 16 September 2017 at 22:29, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go
> and we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C&C 30 and very
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic
> familiarity with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s
> like we just purchased a 1981 C&C and technology isn’t around yet. However
> every sail is a guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for
> costal navigation. Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear
> by or an iPad with some software curious to hear what other C&C owners use
> to get find their way.
>
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C&C MKI
> Hull 615
>
>
>
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Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34

[SEAN CONNER via CnC-List]

I replaced and old 2QM20 with a newer 3GM30F in my 34 back in 2014.  I had to 
"shrink" the bed rails but overall the alignment came out good and would have 
been more complex with a different engine.  I had to disassemble parts of the 
2QM to get it out.. fuel lift pump, valve cover, etc;   it was a pain to haul 
it out.  The 3GM went it much easier.  Very pleased with the newer 
engine...smaller, lighter, quieter and with a three blade flex-o-fold prop 
there is plenty of "ooomph" when I need it.  

I have some reference docs on my google drive that has a bunch of info about 
parts and design.  page 9 shows the difference between a 2QM20 and 3GM30F 
footprint, which I used to create a mock engine and determine how to modify the 
bed rails. That was key to avoiding a lot of headaches.   I put the new engine 
in once and it fit first time.  

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9BpHJkI7AfnSXZMdTFPWG90TTQ

Sean Conner - LADYHAWKE Hull #134


> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 21:14:08 -0600 (MDT)
> From: DON JONSSON 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34
> Message-ID:
>   <1197834892.137592424.1505618048221.javamail.zim...@shaw.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hi 
> 
> It seems I have a leaking head gasket on my Yanmar engine. It is an old 
> engine but only has 2,000 hours on it. I'm going to get some quotes on fixing 
> it but I'm sure it won't be cheap and not sure it won't be a waste on an old 
> engine. 
> 
> The boat is leaking a fair bit of oil which ends up in the bilge. The best 
> guess when tracing the source is the gasket. Of course the leak is from an 
> area that is very difficult to get a good look at. The boat has also suddenly 
> taken to starting very poorly. Anyway those are the symptoms. 
> 
> Has any one replaced a similar engine? What with and how did it go? Any 
> things to watch out for? 
> 
> Thanks 
> Don 
> Victoria, BC

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Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3GMD replacement on C&C 34

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Pretty confident that if I ever have to repower it will be with a beta
marine.  Period.  They design their engines to be drop in replacements for
all types of engines.

That being said, I love my Yanmar 3HM35F.  It is bomb proof.  Starts in the
middle of winter without glow plugs.

You can pretty easily do the head gasket yourself in the boat but a
compression test will help confirm your suspicion of a blown head gasket.

I've heard of repowers running as low as $7k and as high as $12k.  Either
way you want to make sure that you actually need a new engine.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Sep 16, 2017 11:14 PM, "DON JONSSON via CnC-List" 
wrote:

Hi

It seems I have a leaking head gasket on my Yanmar engine.  It is an old
engine but only has 2,000 hours on it.  I'm going to get some quotes on
fixing it but I'm sure it won't be cheap and not sure it won't be a waste
on an old engine.

The boat is leaking a fair bit of oil which ends up in the bilge.  The best
guess when tracing the source is the gasket.  Of course the leak is from an
area that is very difficult to get a good look at.  The boat has also
suddenly taken to starting very poorly.  Anyway those are the symptoms.

Has any one replaced a similar engine?  What with and how did it go?  Any
things to watch out for?

Thanks
Don
Victoria, BC

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