Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MKII - Winter or Spring anti-fouling/bottom job?

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

I used Soy Strip on my 27. Multiple applications for multiple layers
(10-plus)  of anti-foul. Messy!! But I could not fathom sanding that all
off! There was still quite a bit of sanding after and then barrier coat.
That, along with all new through hulls, fix about a dozen blisters, pull
shaft, new cutlass bearing, new drippless stuffing box, small rudder
repair, took 1-month of evenings and weekends ... with lots of help from
family and a couple friends. I killed two shop vacs in the process
(connected to the orbital sander). Used heppa filters on them.

I did all this in May. If it had been a wet one, would have taken much
longer.

Lucky if you can do the soda blasting ... the marinas around here
(Victoria), AFAIK, don't allow it.

One nice thing is if you do it yourself ... you know It's done right.


On Oct 20, 2017 4:23 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Two things I don't do: replace a shingle roof and a bottom job.  Gladly
> pay someone else to do those.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> This is a two part query about doing the bottom of a sailboat by a
>> first-timer.
>>
>> The high pressure spray that removed the previous saltwater growth of 1.5
>> years (during the survey in July) also removed part of the protective coat
>> of anti-fouling that was left. I thought I would get around to re-doing the
>> bottom this past summer/fall. It didn’t happen. Now I'm approaching winter
>> and contemplating a haul-out in November (in rainy Vancouver) or waiting
>> until spring. But I’m not sure how much more work would be involved by
>> putting it off until spring. Would like to hear some other opinions on this.
>>
>> I also have a marina telling me soda blasting is the way to go. And based
>> on the hell that is involved with a project like this, my lack of time and
>> the weather, I’m contemplating it.
>>
>> Chris Hobson
>> S/V Going
>> 1980 C&C MKI
>> Hull 615
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MKII - Winter or Spring anti-fouling/bottom job?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Two things I don't do: replace a shingle roof and a bottom job.  Gladly pay
someone else to do those.

Dennis C.

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> This is a two part query about doing the bottom of a sailboat by a
> first-timer.
>
> The high pressure spray that removed the previous saltwater growth of 1.5
> years (during the survey in July) also removed part of the protective coat
> of anti-fouling that was left. I thought I would get around to re-doing the
> bottom this past summer/fall. It didn’t happen. Now I'm approaching winter
> and contemplating a haul-out in November (in rainy Vancouver) or waiting
> until spring. But I’m not sure how much more work would be involved by
> putting it off until spring. Would like to hear some other opinions on this.
>
> I also have a marina telling me soda blasting is the way to go. And based
> on the hell that is involved with a project like this, my lack of time and
> the weather, I’m contemplating it.
>
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C&C MKI
> Hull 615
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MKII - Winter or Spring anti-fouling/bottom job?

[Alan Liles via CnC-List]

Hi Chris, I would consider a soda blasting job on my boat, also in Vancouver. 
If you find someone to do it let me know as I, too, am tired of sanding. I 
would only consider doing the bottom in the spring while hoping for dry 
weather. 

Al Liles
SV Elendil
C&C37/40+
Vancouver 


> On Oct 20, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting discussion.  I've sanded the bottom of my 35-1 every year for the 
> past 8 years, probably has 40 yrs of old bottom paint on it some of which 
> still lifts up after sanding it smooth when I put the new paint on.  I've got 
> all the gear, full face mask and suit, can do the whole bottom in two 4-6 hr 
> days, but it's the worst part of the spring.
> 
> Finally got fed up last spring and am currently arranging to have the marina 
> soda blast when I haul out. Hopefully after barrier coat I'll only have to 
> light sand and paint with anti-fouling each year. Price is $50/ft for soda 
> blast, not cheap by my arms are getting tired.
> 
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly, 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/20/2017 3:45 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List wrote:
>> This is a two part query about doing the bottom of a sailboat by a 
>> first-timer.
>> 
>> The high pressure spray that removed the previous saltwater growth of 1.5 
>> years (during the survey in July) also removed part of the protective coat 
>> of anti-fouling that was left. I thought I would get around to re-doing the 
>> bottom this past summer/fall. It didn’t happen. Now I'm approaching winter 
>> and contemplating a haul-out in November (in rainy Vancouver) or waiting 
>> until spring. But I’m not sure how much more work would be involved by 
>> putting it off until spring. Would like to hear some other opinions on this.
>> 
>> I also have a marina telling me soda blasting is the way to go. And based on 
>> the hell that is involved with a project like this, my lack of time and the 
>> weather, I’m contemplating it.
>> 
>> Chris Hobson
>> S/V Going
>> 1980 C&C MKI
>> Hull 615
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MKII - Winter or Spring anti-fouling/bottom job?

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

Interesting discussion.  I've sanded the bottom of my 35-1 every year 
for the past 8 years, probably has 40 yrs of old bottom paint on it some 
of which still lifts up after sanding it smooth when I put the new paint 
on.  I've got all the gear, full face mask and suit, can do the whole 
bottom in two 4-6 hr days, but it's the worst part of the spring.


Finally got fed up last spring and am currently arranging to have the 
marina soda blast when I haul out. Hopefully after barrier coat I'll 
only have to light sand and paint with anti-fouling each year. Price is 
$50/ft for soda blast, not cheap by my arms are getting tired.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY



On 10/20/2017 3:45 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List wrote:

This is a two part query about doing the bottom of a sailboat by a first-timer.

The high pressure spray that removed the previous saltwater growth of 1.5 years 
(during the survey in July) also removed part of the protective coat of 
anti-fouling that was left. I thought I would get around to re-doing the bottom 
this past summer/fall. It didn’t happen. Now I'm approaching winter and 
contemplating a haul-out in November (in rainy Vancouver) or waiting until 
spring. But I’m not sure how much more work would be involved by putting it off 
until spring. Would like to hear some other opinions on this.

I also have a marina telling me soda blasting is the way to go. And based on 
the hell that is involved with a project like this, my lack of time and the 
weather, I’m contemplating it.

Chris Hobson
S/V Going
1980 C&C MKI
Hull 615




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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MKII - Winter or Spring anti-fouling/bottom job?

[Indigo via CnC-List]

I stripped the bottom of my 35-3 several years ago. Started (and gave up 
quickly) with sanders. Went with a chemical peel which worked really well, but 
very messy.  Had money been no object would have gone with soda or dry ice 
stripping. 

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Oct 20, 2017, at 16:08, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> A few suggestions:
> 
> Have a look at a similar sized boat on the hard and contemplate holding a 
> sander (~5-6 inches in diameter) above your head while you move it along the 
> bottom while moving a chair to sit on or doing it standing or kneeling. 
> Remember that you must not poison yourself with the dust so have a good 
> quality mask on, lots of sandpaper and be prepared to change the paper often. 
> You will also need a disposable suit to keep the poison off your person, 
> including your hair, ears, etc. Keep in mind the weather, either hot, humid 
> rainy or cold will influence your pace. 
> 
> Now contemplate doing this more than once since you will likely need to sand 
> with a rough grit followed by a smoother one before hand painting the new 
> poison on and then that may need sanded once or twice before adding another 
> layer of paint, etc. etc. Same is true if you want to spray it on, except 
> then you can really poison yourself and possibly paint a few of your 
> neighbor's boats!
> 
> I did this sanding once on my 36 ft boat and from the underside it looked 
> like an ocean liner when you are using a 5 inch sander. It took me about 5 
> 8-10 hour workdays to get the sanding done. I was not prepared to either hand 
> paint with rollers or spray paint for racing so the yard took over--I was 
> able to use may arms again in about a week :>).
> 
> IMHO this is a yard job and is not particularly challenging--just a low-skill 
> PITA that teaches you only that you never want to do it again!
> 
> Let the yard soda blast it, sand and paint it and spend your time making 
> money to pay them their fees. OTOH, if you have more time than money, enjoy 
> working with tools above your head for days on end, go for it--just remember 
> you were warned!
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
> 
> 
> 
> cenel...@aol.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Chris Hobson 
> Sent: Fri, Oct 20, 2017 3:46 pm
> Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 MKII - Winter or Spring anti-fouling/bottom job?
> 
> This is a two part query about doing the bottom of a sailboat by a 
> first-timer. The high pressure spray that removed the previous saltwater 
> growth of 1.5 years (during the survey in July) also removed part of the 
> protective coat of anti-fouling that was left. I thought I would get around 
> to re-doing the bottom this past summer/fall. It didn’t happen. Now I'm 
> approaching winter and contemplating a haul-out in November (in rainy 
> Vancouver) or waiting until spring. But I’m not sure how much more work would 
> be involved by putting it off until spring. Would like to hear some other 
> opinions on this. I also have a marina telling me soda blasting is the way to 
> go. And based on the hell that is involved with a project like this, my lack 
> of time and the weather, I’m contemplating it. Chris Hobson S/V Going 1980 
> C&C MKI Hull 615 ___ The bills 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MKII - Winter or Spring anti-fouling/bottom job?

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

A few suggestions:


Have a look at a similar sized boat on the hard and contemplate holding a 
sander (~5-6 inches in diameter) above your head while you move it along the 
bottom while moving a chair to sit on or doing it standing or kneeling. 
Remember that you must not poison yourself with the dust so have a good quality 
mask on, lots of sandpaper and be prepared to change the paper often. You will 
also need a disposable suit to keep the poison off your person, including your 
hair, ears, etc. Keep in mind the weather, either hot, humid rainy or cold will 
influence your pace. 


Now contemplate doing this more than once since you will likely need to sand 
with a rough grit followed by a smoother one before hand painting the new 
poison on and then that may need sanded once or twice before adding another 
layer of paint, etc. etc. Same is true if you want to spray it on, except then 
you can really poison yourself and possibly paint a few of your neighbor's 
boats!


I did this sanding once on my 36 ft boat and from the underside it looked like 
an ocean liner when you are using a 5 inch sander. It took me about 5 8-10 hour 
workdays to get the sanding done. I was not prepared to either hand paint with 
rollers or spray paint for racing so the yard took over--I was able to use may 
arms again in about a week :>).


IMHO this is a yard job and is not particularly challenging--just a low-skill 
PITA that teaches you only that you never want to do it again!


Let the yard soda blast it, sand and paint it and spend your time making money 
to pay them their fees. OTOH, if you have more time than money, enjoy working 
with tools above your head for days on end, go for it--just remember you were 
warned!


Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb





cenel...@aol.com




-Original Message-
From: Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Chris Hobson 
Sent: Fri, Oct 20, 2017 3:46 pm
Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 MKII - Winter or Spring anti-fouling/bottom job?

This is a two part query about doing the bottom of a sailboat by a 
first-timer.The high pressure spray that removed the previous saltwater growth 
of 1.5 years (during the survey in July) also removed part of the protective 
coat of anti-fouling that was left. I thought I would get around to re-doing 
the bottom this past summer/fall. It didn’t happen. Now I'm approaching winter 
and contemplating a haul-out in November (in rainy Vancouver) or waiting until 
spring. But I’m not sure how much more work would be involved by putting it off 
until spring. Would like to hear some other opinions on this.I also have a 
marina telling me soda blasting is the way to go. And based on the hell that is 
involved with a project like this, my lack of time and the weather, I’m 
contemplating it.Chris HobsonS/V Going1980 C&C MKIHull 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MKII - Winter or Spring anti-fouling/bottom job?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Chris,

They say a good soda-blasting should be done every ten to fifteen years, which 
would then require a new barrier coating and all new bottom paint — That ran me 
around $2,500 a few years ago. 

That being said, there are plenty of boat owners who never do it at all. If you 
just have some paint coming off in areas, and assuming you already have a 
barrier coat beneath it (which you should), it sounds like all you really need 
is a little sanding, scraping and repaint with the same bottom paint you have 
or something compatible to go over it. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 








> On Oct 20, 2017, at 3:45 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is a two part query about doing the bottom of a sailboat by a 
> first-timer.
> 
> The high pressure spray that removed the previous saltwater growth of 1.5 
> years (during the survey in July) also removed part of the protective coat of 
> anti-fouling that was left. I thought I would get around to re-doing the 
> bottom this past summer/fall. It didn’t happen. Now I'm approaching winter 
> and contemplating a haul-out in November (in rainy Vancouver) or waiting 
> until spring. But I’m not sure how much more work would be involved by 
> putting it off until spring. Would like to hear some other opinions on this.
> 
> I also have a marina telling me soda blasting is the way to go. And based on 
> the hell that is involved with a project like this, my lack of time and the 
> weather, I’m contemplating it.
> 
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C&C MKI
> Hull 615
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Stus-List C&C 30 MKII - Winter or Spring anti-fouling/bottom job?

[Chris Hobson via CnC-List]

This is a two part query about doing the bottom of a sailboat by a first-timer.

The high pressure spray that removed the previous saltwater growth of 1.5 years 
(during the survey in July) also removed part of the protective coat of 
anti-fouling that was left. I thought I would get around to re-doing the bottom 
this past summer/fall. It didn’t happen. Now I'm approaching winter and 
contemplating a haul-out in November (in rainy Vancouver) or waiting until 
spring. But I’m not sure how much more work would be involved by putting it off 
until spring. Would like to hear some other opinions on this.

I also have a marina telling me soda blasting is the way to go. And based on 
the hell that is involved with a project like this, my lack of time and the 
weather, I’m contemplating it.

Chris Hobson
S/V Going
1980 C&C MKI
Hull 615




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Re: Stus-List Aluminum Cleats on doghouse of 35 Mk I

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Try tracing the hole pattern on a piece of paper and going to West 
Marine and seeing what cleats fit the pattern.


Joe

Coquina


On 10/19/2017 03:08 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

Merriman?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Glen Eddie via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Hello everyone.

Does anyone know who manufactured the cleats on the C&C35 Mk I.  I
have just finished rebedding all the hardware save for the cleats
on the doghouse and cannot find the original cleats (long story
and yes probably with the chain plate that was, and remains,
lost).  I would prefer to buy the same cleats to avoid a different
hole pattern for a new cleat within 30 days of finishing and
repainting the deck.

Thanks in advance.

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Fax: 1-888-812-2557 

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Re: Stus-List Anchor links.

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

For what it is worth, Practical Sailor has a low opinion of stainless steel
on your ground tackle; Particularly when mixed with the other metals.

Beware there are different ratings of shackles despite the same size.  As I
recall a class 'B' is a higher rating.  For a 3/8ths shackle the load
rating is 2 tons.  For a normal class 'A' the rating is 1 ton.

Josh Muckley
S /V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Oct 19, 2017 12:29 PM, "Brian Fry via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Splicing the chain to the rode only fixes half the problem. What about the
> other end that attaches to the stainless fitting at the anchor?
>
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