Re: Stus-List Grenadine's Paint Job

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Thanks Rick.  From email exchange with previous owners I’m guesstimating that 
the prior paint job (also Interlux, over primer) was 20+ years old, on top of 
the original, faded gelcoat.  I buffed and waxed it the first year I had her, 
and got it looking pretty good, but it oxidized fast and I couldn’t ever get it 
looking as good again (didn’t try wet sanding; just went in for the new paint 
job).

I’ll definitely keep her waxed, probably spring and fall every year, with 
carnuba. Before launch in the spring I’ll repaint the boot stripe, put on new 
transom decals, and wax over all that.  She’ll have the winter to cure.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Oct 31, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Rick Taillieu via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Randy,
>  
> That is one of the best roll & tip paint jobs I’ve seen, he did a great job.
> One point to remember, red is the worst colour for fading, once it’s cured 
> keep it waxed.
> I had a burgundy 25 from ’99 to ’16 and every spring it was a battle getting 
> the colour back.
> I did full paint jobs twice in that time frame and numerous touch-ups every 
> spring.
>  
> Rick Taillieu
> Boatless 
> Leamington, Ontario
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Randy Stafford via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: October-31-18 21:50
> To: cnc-list
> Cc: Randy Stafford
> Subject: Stus-List Grenadine's Paint Job
>  
> Hi All,
>  
> Since my lake closed early this year (mid-September) for expansion 
> construction over the winter, I took advantage of the beautiful fall weather 
> to do a major project: painting.  The good news is that next season, we’ll 
> have a brand-spanking-new marina facility.
>  
> After exploring a number of options e.g. places where I could do it myself, 
> estimates from several business, etc., I decided to hire the job out to an 
> experienced old salt with a small local boatyard.  I could tell he had an 
> appreciation of older boats and got a lot of satisfaction from improving them.
>  
> He filled and faired all the gouges in the hull, and the C&C smile.  
> Power-sanded the bottom and applied two coats VC-17 blue.  Above the boot 
> stripe he rolled and tipped four coats of Interlux red, sanding between each 
> coat and thinning the later coats.
>  
> I’ve put pictures of the result at 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1AgG7585KNUspS1W8TsyUGq8hFgeP997h 
> .
>  
> With that and new canvas (red sail / tiller / winch covers), and refinished 
> brightwork around the companionway, she’ll be the sharpest boat in the new 
> marina.  And hopefully faster in the club’s fleet too, with that smooth new 
> bottom.
>  
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>  
>  
> 
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Re: Stus-List Below deck Pilot installation

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

The PO did this install on mine.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yZU1hczd0QlNEOWc

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 3:41 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I tried to search for it with no luck.  One of my fellow 37+ owners posted
> a link to pictures of his below deck install.
>
> I'm thinking about doing the same...but can't find that message string.
>
> please re-post the link to the images.
>
> thx
>
> Tom B
>
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> Vashon Island WA
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Re: Stus-List Grenadine's Paint Job

[Rick Taillieu via CnC-List]

Randy,

 

That is one of the best roll & tip paint jobs I’ve seen, he did a great job.

One point to remember, red is the worst colour for fading, once it’s cured keep 
it waxed.

I had a burgundy 25 from ’99 to ’16 and every spring it was a battle getting 
the colour back.

I did full paint jobs twice in that time frame and numerous touch-ups every 
spring.

 

Rick Taillieu

Boatless 

Leamington, Ontario

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randy 
Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: October-31-18 21:50
To: cnc-list
Cc: Randy Stafford
Subject: Stus-List Grenadine's Paint Job

 

Hi All,

 

Since my lake closed early this year (mid-September) for expansion construction 
over the winter, I took advantage of the beautiful fall weather to do a major 
project: painting.  The good news is that next season, we’ll have a 
brand-spanking-new marina facility.

 

After exploring a number of options e.g. places where I could do it myself, 
estimates from several business, etc., I decided to hire the job out to an 
experienced old salt with a small local boatyard.  I could tell he had an 
appreciation of older boats and got a lot of satisfaction from improving them.

 

He filled and faired all the gouges in the hull, and the C&C smile.  
Power-sanded the bottom and applied two coats VC-17 blue.  Above the boot 
stripe he rolled and tipped four coats of Interlux red, sanding between each 
coat and thinning the later coats.

 

I’ve put pictures of the result at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1AgG7585KNUspS1W8TsyUGq8hFgeP997h.

 

With that and new canvas (red sail / tiller / winch covers), and refinished 
brightwork around the companionway, she’ll be the sharpest boat in the new 
marina.  And hopefully faster in the club’s fleet too, with that smooth new 
bottom.

 

Cheers,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C&C 30-1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

 


 

 

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Stus-List Grenadine's Paint Job

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Hi All,

Since my lake closed early this year (mid-September) for expansion construction 
over the winter, I took advantage of the beautiful fall weather to do a major 
project: painting.  The good news is that next season, we’ll have a 
brand-spanking-new marina facility.

After exploring a number of options e.g. places where I could do it myself, 
estimates from several business, etc., I decided to hire the job out to an 
experienced old salt with a small local boatyard.  I could tell he had an 
appreciation of older boats and got a lot of satisfaction from improving them.

He filled and faired all the gouges in the hull, and the C&C smile.  
Power-sanded the bottom and applied two coats VC-17 blue.  Above the boot 
stripe he rolled and tipped four coats of Interlux red, sanding between each 
coat and thinning the later coats.

I’ve put pictures of the result at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1AgG7585KNUspS1W8TsyUGq8hFgeP997h 
.

With that and new canvas (red sail / tiller / winch covers), and refinished 
brightwork around the companionway, she’ll be the sharpest boat in the new 
marina.  And hopefully faster in the club’s fleet too, with that smooth new 
bottom.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
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Re: Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather.

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

It’s situational, depending on the boat and who’s on it.  On my 30 MK I, a 
notoriously stiff boat, I’ll carry full main and 150% genoa in 20+ knots with 
my racing crew aboard.  Leisure sailing with my wife in the same conditions, 
it’s main only, if she’ll even go out :)

I give my crew these guidelines when they race the boat without me:
<10 knots - full main and drifter (lightweight 150%)
10-20 knots - full main and #2 genoa (heavy 150%)
>20 knots - flat main and #3 genoa (heavy 130%)

My experience with my 30-1 has been that it takes about 25 knots under full 
sail to bury a rail close-hauled.  Twice this summer I tore my drifter when the 
wind jumped from 10 to 35 with little warning; she tears sails before knocking 
down.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Oct 30, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Brian Fry via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> After spending a wonderful weekend with a bunch of great folks, Manon and I 
> sailed back to 
> Havre de Grace under the strongest conditions we have been in yet. We usually 
> stay put if the forecast is over 20. The forecast was 20s with gusts to 30+. 
> I was looking forward to testing my new rig, especially since Josh allowed me 
> to use his Loos gauge to check my rig job. Turns out my tune was quite true. 
> We had been out before, but only at a max of about 20. 
> We set sail at the yellow mark outside Nap with 2 reefs in the main and a 
> full 100 jib. 
> Everything was going well, a nice beam reach, until north of the bridge when 
> the swells got larger and the gusts stronger. The gusts would push us over to 
> the rails in the water and last for a good 30 seconds, then a swell would 
> push us a little further. A few times we lost depth indication, a tell that 
> the transducer was out of the water, or nearly so. Reefing the jib to 50% 
> made things much more comfortable. We sailed the whole way back under these 
> conditions. Entering HdG channel was challenging, putting us close hauled and 
> tacking up the channel to where it ran abeam again. Thankfully my new sonar 
> allowed for greater tacks outside of the channel, which freaked out the 
> Admiral. I decided to tack instead of motoring and dropping sail to avoid 
> turning the sails into rags in the 25 knot winds ( mine are of unknown age).
> So now the question, when do you reef? How much wind is too much?
> We usually do the first reef at 15, the second at 20, then the jib at 25. I 
> am thinking 35 sustained would be my limit. But I havent been out in that yet.
> 
> S/V La Neige
> 1993 C&C 37/40 XL
> Havre de Grace , MD
> FB blog : thenext14years
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Re: Stus-List End of season on Lake Erie

[schiller via CnC-List]

Lake Michigan was pretty much the same.  We were lucky last year that 
September and early October was good sailing weather since we bought our 
C&C 35-3 the end of August and only had September and October to start 
getting used to her.


Neil Schiller
1983 C&C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 10/31/2018 8:47 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List wrote:

  The first week in October was great weather wise. Not so much the rest of the month. Hauled 
the C&C27 MKIII yesterday. So much for Lake Erie and her "variable" weather 
conditions this year.

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII - Lake Erie
C&C36 - Florida

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Re: Stus-List Propeller Sizing

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

You are getting about what you should expect from that engine and boat 
combination, so the propeller can't be too far away from optimum. Sailboats 
equipped with Atomic 4s were typically equipped with a 2 blade fixed prop, 12" 
in diameter by 6" pitch. The relatively shallow pitch as compared to a small 
diesel is due to the lack of gear reduction in the transmission. All else being 
equal, a larger diameter is more efficient, but the pitch might have to be 
reduced to match the torque available from the motor. I have a Gori folding 
prop on my 27 and I am quite happy with it. 

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON


 David Morris via CnC-List  wrote: 
I determined at haulout this weekend our newly-acquired 1975 C&C 30 MKI,
Atomic 4, direct drive is equipped with a Gori two-blade folding prop,
measuring approx. 11.5". I have neither the experience or expertise to know
if this is a great prop for the boat, a lousy one, or, more likely,
somewhere in between. After a major tune-up on the engine, we seemed to be
able to run at around 6.2 knots in relatively calm water. Any advice,
suggestions, observations anyone would care to offer on prop selection would
be much appreciated.

 

 

 

David J. Morris, MBA
President, D.J. Morris & Associates Ltd.
427 Division Street, Kingston, ON Canada K7K 4A8
Tel. 613-531-4429
email: djmor...@djma-ltd.com
Member: Professional Writers Association of Canada 
Blogging at: http://davidmorrisjourneys.wordpress.com/

 



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Stus-List End of season on Lake Erie

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

 The first week in October was great weather wise. Not so much the rest of the 
month. Hauled the C&C27 MKIII yesterday. So much for Lake Erie and her 
"variable" weather conditions this year. 

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII - Lake Erie
C&C36 - Florida

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Re: Stus-List Propeller Sizing

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

I replaced my old Martec model 778, Dia and pitch 12 X 5, 2 blade 
folding in 2008 with a Martec Mk III Eliptec 2-blade folding, 
non-geared.  However I do not believe Martec is in production any 
longer.  One of the big concern at the time was drag when racing and 
hull clearance. It was my understanding that two things happen with 
insufficient hull clearance - vibration when going forward and walking 
while backing.  There was a formula that I can not locate for hull 
clearance, my however 12" dia prop has a clearance of 8", which if I 
recall was right at the minimum.


Since my C&C35 Mk2 has an offset propeller (not on centerline), I found 
the J/105 Technical Committee evaluation of folding propellers 
interesting.  On Fireball the output flange to the propeller shaft is 
marked with a red lines at the 180 deg. apart, to show when the 
propeller blades are aligned horizontal to prevent a blade from drooping 
at low speeds.  I gave up jumping overboard in New England waters to put 
a rubber band on the prop before racing a long time ago.  I have copied 
the evaluation below:



"The J105 has always been delivered with a 15 inch Martec folding prop.  
The TC has analyzed whether the following replacement props are 
permissible (all 15 inch): Flex-O-Fold Standard and Racing versions 
(geared), Gori Standard and Racing versions (geared). Martec (geared), 
Max Prop (feathering).


Most of these props are "geared" props, which means that the blades are 
connected and open up in unison.   Arguably, this feature provides an 
advantage over the non-geared Martec since with the Martec, particularly 
in light air and choppy conditions, a single blade could potentially 
open up.   On the other hand, owners of standard Martec non-geared props 
are of course free to rubber band their props – although in cold or 
polluted waters this may not be an alternative in practice.


Flex-O-Fold claims on its website that its product has somewhat less 
drag than the standard Martec.  They reference a Cruising World test 
report from 1995 to back up their claim, although the test involved an 
earlier version of the Flex-O-Fold prop with smaller blades and, 
presumably, less drag.  Another independent test report they reference 
from 1997 indicates that the Flex-O-Fold and the Gori folding props have 
approximately the same drag, which coupled with the Cruising World 
report would indicate that the Gori, as well, may have less drag than 
the Martec.  Both these test reports indicate that the Maxprop has 
significantly more drag than the Martec, Flex-O-Fold or Gori.  
Notwithstanding these reports, Martec claims that its standard prop is 
“the lowest drag sailboat propeller anywhere”, but Martec does not 
provide any independent test results to back up that claim.  It is 
unclear which versions of the Martec were tested in these test reports. 
It is important to note that *the prop on the J105 is angled to the flow 
of water along the hull, thereby exposing the blades to the flow to a 
much greater extent than if the flow were parallel to the shaft* – the 
way the props were positioned in the tests.  These issues make the 
foregoing test reports of dubitable validity for our purposes.


The Technical Committee obtained samples of each of the Flex-O-Fold, 
Gori, Martec geared and Martec non-geared props in order to resolve the 
conflicting test results and manufacturer claims.  In side-by-side 
comparison it was clear that the standard non-geared Martec presented a 
significantly smaller "bulk" to the flow of water than the geared Martec 
or any of the Flex-O-Fold or Gori options, largely because the geared 
props have much larger hub diameters (to accommodate their gears) than 
the standard non-geared Martec.  Hence, the resistance of the geared 
Martec, Flex-O-Fold and Gori props will be somewhat greater than that of 
the standard Martec.  In conversations with the top US representatives 
of Martec, Flex-O-Fold, and Gori, each of them confirmed that for a 
J/105 application, the most significant drag factor among the folding 
props being evaluated was the size of the hub, and that their respective 
geared hub props would have more drag than a comparable size non-geared 
Martec prop.


The TC has therefore concluded that all these geared blade props are 
legal substitutes for the standard Martec prop provided they have a 
diameter of at least 15 inches.  In addition, based upon the above test 
reports, the TC is of the view that the Maxprop feathering prop also has 
somewhat more drag than a standard Martec of the same diameter and, 
therefore, is a class legal prop for the J105 as long as its diameter is 
at least 15 inches.  The TC expresses no view on props other than those 
listed above."


Don Kern
Fireball 12708
C&C35 Mk2
Bristol, RI

On 10/31/2018 4:34 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List wrote:
If your Gori is sized properly based on the engine, transmission and 
clearance (all likely given your performance), you probably ha

Re: Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather.

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

A lot depends on how tender your boat is.  Fireball is a C&C 35 Mk2, a 
fairly stiff boat, which sees a lot of racing and has a good sail 
selection ( #1 150, #2 138, #3 120, #4 85) cut for Narraganset Bay 
(average 15+ kts wind most every afternoon, except August .


For cruising, when the wind pushes up to above 12 knots apparent, I will 
use only my cruising roller furl (~135), no main;  the boat stays well 
balanced until we get over 20kts.  Above that cruising, I will use a 
reefed main and a #4 (85%).


For racing we use the twin foil (roller furl car dropped) and go to #2 
before the first reef (Note: C&C factory maximized the boat for SORC and 
reduce the main's foot 2 ft by truncating the boom) then to the #3, as 
wind increases we throw in the 2nd reef, above 25 or 30kts, depending on 
the waves, we go to the #4.  We always put people on the rail and keep 
the lee rail out of the water by easing the main sheet with the traveler 
up and moving the Genoa's sheet block aft a couple of notches to let the 
top of both sails twist off in gusts.


Had a interesting cruise this summer from Beverly YC to Bristol YC. Left 
Beverly (Marion MA) in NE 8kts wind, so my son and I threw up the 
spinnaker when cleared the harbor. However! the wind increased to 25kts, 
which gave us a very narrow angle to sail between death rolls and 
broaching with the spinnaker heavily choked. We were off Cuttyhunk in 
2hrs (fastest we ever had the boat, peaked at 11.7 kts) and got the 
spinnaker doused (quite a lot of fun for two people) in swirling wind 
off Cuttyhunk. Reached off to Sakonnet under our cruising roller furl 
and full main and made Sakonnet Light in 2 hrs  (max out at 10.2 kts 
surfing).  Up the Sakonnet in an adverse tidal current, thru the bridges 
(one being torn down with multiple barges and cranes), and on to 
Bristol.  Total of 49 nm in 7 hours.  Picked up our mooring and decided 
it was beer time!  After a few, we were laughing that we survived with 
nothing ripped or broken - this type of passage is not recommended for 
casual cruising, but we delayed too long to get the spinnaker off, 
because we were enjoying the initial ride way too much.


Don Kern
Fireball 12708
C&C 35 Mk2
Bristol, RI





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Re: Stus-List Propeller Sizing

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

If your Gori is sized properly based on the engine, transmission and clearance 
(all likely given your performance), you probably have the lowest drag 
propeller available.
 
Tests years ago on propeller drag in a water tank(published in Yachting 
magazine) showed that the Gori had the least drag of any ~ 20 brands that were 
tested. You can probably get better performance
with others in terms efficiency under power (reverse or forward), but you would 
be hard pressed to get a prop with less drag when sailing. 

Charlie Nelson
1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
 
 
 
 
 
cenel...@aol.com

 
 
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From: james via CnC-List 
To: David Morris via CnC-List 
Cc: james 
Sent: Wed, Oct 31, 2018 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Sizing



David,

I'm a fellow Afourian and I would say that the performance you  are getting 
is impressive for a folding prop. My question with  your setup is what 
happens in chop and waves? If you are satisfied  with the rough weather 
performance and you want to stay with a  folding prop, I don't think you 
would be able to do much (or any)  better than what you have. The Indigo 
prop is very popular for  direct drive A-4's and would give a substantial 
boost in rough  weather performance. It would also increase the longevity 
of your  engine by reducing the loads. Just for your information, My a-4
  has a reduction gear and a 16x10 two blade fixed prop. Wide open  
throttle is 3200rpms and 6.5 knots. Cruise is 2500-2700 rpms  (depending on 
the skippers mood) and 6-6.2 knots. Rough water  really kills performance 
and I usually motorsail with the main.  Joe is right on the money...

James Taylor

Delaney

1976 C&C 38

Oriental, NC



On 10/30/2018 10:04 AM, David Morris  via CnC-List wrote:




I determined at haulout this weekend our  newly-acquired 1975 C&C 30 
MKI, Atomic 4, direct drive is  equipped with a Gori two-blade folding 
prop, measuring approx.  11.5”. I have neither the experience or 
expertise to know if  this is a great prop for the boat, a lousy one, 
or, more  likely, somewhere in between. After a major tune-up on the
  engine, we seemed to be able to run at around 6.2 knots in  
relatively calm water. Any advice, suggestions, observations  anyone 
would care to offer on prop selection would be much  appreciated.

 

  

 

David J. Morris, MBA
  President, D.J. Morris& Associates Ltd.
427 Division Street, Kingston, ON Canada K7K 4A8
Tel. 613-531-4429
email: djmor...@djma-ltd.com
Member: Professional Writers Association of Canada 
Blogging at: http://davidmorrisjourneys.wordpress.com/

 
  
  


  

  
  
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Re: Stus-List Below deck Pilot installation

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

I believe that was my project.  Look here

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C&C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA.
~~~_/)~~



On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 3:41 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I tried to search for it with no luck.  One of my fellow 37+ owners posted
> a link to pictures of his below deck install.
>
> I'm thinking about doing the same...but can't find that message string.
>
> please re-post the link to the images.
>
> thx
>
> Tom B
>
> .¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
> Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> C&C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
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Re: Stus-List Propeller Sizing

[james via CnC-List]

David,

I'm a fellow Afourian and I would say that the performance you are 
getting is impressive for a folding prop. My question with your setup is 
what happens in chop and waves? If you are satisfied with the rough 
weather performance and you want to stay with a folding prop, I don't 
think you would be able to do much (or any) better than what you have. 
The Indigo prop is very popular for direct drive A-4's and would give a 
substantial boost in rough weather performance. It would also increase 
the longevity of your engine by reducing the loads. Just for your 
information, My a-4 has a reduction gear and a 16x10 two blade fixed 
prop. Wide open throttle is 3200rpms and 6.5 knots. Cruise is 2500-2700 
rpms (depending on the skippers mood) and 6-6.2 knots. Rough water 
really kills performance and I usually motorsail with the main. Joe is 
right on the money...


James Taylor

Delaney

1976 C&C 38

Oriental, NC


On 10/30/2018 10:04 AM, David Morris via CnC-List wrote:


I determined at haulout this weekend our newly-acquired 1975 C&C 30 
MKI, Atomic 4, direct drive is equipped with a Gori two-blade folding 
prop, measuring approx. 11.5”. I have neither the experience or 
expertise to know if this is a great prop for the boat, a lousy one, 
or, more likely, somewhere in between. After a major tune-up on the 
engine, we seemed to be able to run at around 6.2 knots in relatively 
calm water. Any advice, suggestions, observations anyone would care to 
offer on prop selection would be much appreciated.


David J. Morris, MBA
President, D.J. Morris & Associates Ltd.
427 Division Street, Kingston, ON Canada K7K 4A8
Tel. 613-531-4429
email: djmor...@djma-ltd.com
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Stus-List Below deck Pilot installation

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I tried to search for it with no luck.  One of my 
fellow 37+ owners posted a link to pictures of his below deck install.


I'm thinking about doing the same...but can't find that message string.

please re-post the link to the images.

thx

Tom B

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SV Alera
C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
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Re: Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather.

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Good advice from all. Typically, reef before reducing headsail. General 
guidelines for my 35-1(in kts true):

Light 155 and full main to 10
All purpose 155 to 14-16
1st reef at 14 if carrying a 155
125 to 17-18
95 on inboard track to 20
95 on toe rail 20+

Sometimes we carry a full main with the 125 in waves. Just depends. If we start 
with the 125, we usually start with a full main. 

Moving the clew outboard is a clever way to make the sail plan less aggressive. 

Twisting off is also good in heavy air.  For the headsail, move the lead aft 
several inches. For the main, raise the traveler and ease the sheet. 

Buddy of mine says you never drop from a #1 to a #2, you always drop to a #3. I 
tend to agree. We may start with a #2 but we usually drop two sails. 

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Sail Plan and Heavy Weather

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

Brian, We reef around 20 knots. Too much heel is uncomfortable for the crew and 
inefficient. We have an autopilot with a rudder indicator so it’s easy to see 
when our rig is balanced (less rudder angle). We reef the main first like 
someone already said and idk if 22 degrees of heel is fastest but if not it’s 
probably close, a racer would have that dialled in. We are the regular mast 
version, wing keel and use a 144% head sail rolled as necessary, and two reef 
points in the main. 30-35 knots of wind is possible but not as much fun. I 
guess I would recommend a rudder indicator if you don’t already have one, your 
electronics are way more advanced than mine. 

Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs 
1989 37+
Midland On
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Re: Stus-List Annapolis-Mid Atlantic Rendezvous Next Year

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Wish I could have been there. Althought I live in Chapel Hill/ Oriental NC my 
corp office is in Beltsville MD so you can bet if you select Annapolis again 
next year I will plan accordingly to have a funded flight to the rendezvous? 
and be there  for sure !

Whats the FB page for the pics ??



John C

S/V Halcyon




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Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 12:43:08 PM
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Cc: Len Mitchell
Subject: Stus-List Annapolis-Mid Atlantic Rendezvous Next Year

We had a lot of fun at Annapolis this year. We drove about 10 hours and it was 
well worth the drive. Nice people and good times. It’s nice to put a face to 
people on an email forum. So that said, we would make the drive anywhere in the 
area. A venue would be a plus if it was raining. I can’t thank the group enough 
for hosting us on their warm boats in the unseasonably cool & damp weather last 
weekend and let’s not forget Josh & Carmeletta for organizing!

Len & Susanne
Midland On.

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Stus-List Annapolis-Mid Atlantic Rendezvous Next Year

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

We had a lot of fun at Annapolis this year. We drove about 10 hours and it was 
well worth the drive. Nice people and good times. It’s nice to put a face to 
people on an email forum. So that said, we would make the drive anywhere in the 
area. A venue would be a plus if it was raining. I can’t thank the group enough 
for hosting us on their warm boats in the unseasonably cool & damp weather last 
weekend and let’s not forget Josh & Carmeletta for organizing! 

Len & Susanne
Midland On. 

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Re: Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather.

[rick bushie via CnC-List]

Sorry about the previous post with the wrong subject.  As soon as it 
swshed, I knew I was a jerk.
> On Oct 31, 2018, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Re: Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather.

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Re: Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather.

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Reef before the wind gets too strong for you and crew to handle comfortsbly

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 11:49 AM Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> When do I reef? It depends on the crew: if it's just Tami and I, I reef
> pretty early or sail under just 100% jib alone. With a racing crew it
> mostly depends on how far we are heeling. Our C&Cs seem to be most
> efficient at 22 degrees or less heel when hard on the breeze. Maybe a
> little more reaching. When I'm cruising I will happily give up 1/2 or even
> a whole knot of speed in exchange for comfort. Then again, other times I
> just go for a little more sail than I should for the sheer joy of sailing
> the boat. Like a wonderful singlehanded beat back to Newport from Vineyard
> Haven one night that was practically my last sail on my C&C 40, Peregrine,
> before I sold her. I was ecstatic the whole way with 22 apparent, full main
> and number 3 in big waves. What a great boat!
> Cheers
> Andy
>
> Andrew Burton
> 139 Tuckerman Ave
> Middletown, RI
> USA02842
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> > On Oct 30, 2018, at 19:50, Brian Fry via CnC-List 
> wrote:
> >
> > After spending a wonderful weekend with a bunch of great folks, Manon
> and I sailed back to
> > Havre de Grace under the strongest conditions we have been in yet. We
> usually stay put if the forecast is over 20. The forecast was 20s with
> gusts to 30+. I was looking forward to testing my new rig, especially since
> Josh allowed me to use his Loos gauge to check my rig job. Turns out my
> tune was quite true. We had been out before, but only at a max of about 20.
> > We set sail at the yellow mark outside Nap with 2 reefs in the main and
> a full 100 jib.
> > Everything was going well, a nice beam reach, until north of the bridge
> when the swells got larger and the gusts stronger. The gusts would push us
> over to the rails in the water and last for a good 30 seconds, then a swell
> would push us a little further. A few times we lost depth indication, a
> tell that the transducer was out of the water, or nearly so. Reefing the
> jib to 50% made things much more comfortable. We sailed the whole way back
> under these conditions. Entering HdG channel was challenging, putting us
> close hauled and tacking up the channel to where it ran abeam again.
> Thankfully my new sonar allowed for greater tacks outside of the channel,
> which freaked out the Admiral. I decided to tack instead of motoring and
> dropping sail to avoid turning the sails into rags in the 25 knot winds (
> mine are of unknown age).
> > So now the question, when do you reef? How much wind is too much?
> > We usually do the first reef at 15, the second at 20, then the jib at
> 25. I am thinking 35 sustained would be my limit. But I havent been out in
> that yet.
> >
> > S/V La Neige
> > 1993 C&C 37/40 XL
> > Havre de Grace , MD
> > FB blog : thenext14years
> > Brian and Manon
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Propeller Sizing

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Gori folding props are good props they are geared folders. I have a 3 blade
Bruntons Autoprop on my C&C 35 also very good

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:14 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Depends on what your goal is.
>
> For superior performance under power, this prop cannot be beat:
>
> http://www.atomic4.com/propeller.html
>
>
>
> A folding prop is faster under sail for sure and most racers would want
> one. 6.2 knots is good, do you have RPM and manifold pressure readings for
> the boat?
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
>
> Atomic 4 powered
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David
> Morris via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 30, 2018 10:04 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* djmor...@djma-ltd.com
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Propeller Sizing
>
>
>
> I determined at haulout this weekend our newly-acquired 1975 C&C 30 MKI,
> Atomic 4, direct drive is equipped with a Gori two-blade folding prop,
> measuring approx. 11.5”. I have neither the experience or expertise to know
> if this is a great prop for the boat, a lousy one, or, more likely,
> somewhere in between. After a major tune-up on the engine, we seemed to be
> able to run at around 6.2 knots in relatively calm water. Any advice,
> suggestions, observations anyone would care to offer on prop selection
> would be much appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David J. Morris, MBA
> President, D.J. Morris & Associates Ltd.
> 427 Division Street, Kingston, ON Canada K7K 4A8
> Tel. 613-531-4429
> email: djmor...@djma-ltd.com
> Member: Professional Writers Association of Canada
> Blogging at: http://davidmorrisjourneys.wordpress.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 153, Issue 162

[rick bushie via CnC-List]

I’ve never put a reef in. 20 knots sustained. Weather helm was a bear though.

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> On Oct 31, 2018, at 10:47 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
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Re: Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather.

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

When do I reef? It depends on the crew: if it's just Tami and I, I reef pretty 
early or sail under just 100% jib alone. With a racing crew it mostly depends 
on how far we are heeling. Our C&Cs seem to be most efficient at 22 degrees or 
less heel when hard on the breeze. Maybe a little more reaching. When I'm 
cruising I will happily give up 1/2 or even a whole knot of speed in exchange 
for comfort. Then again, other times I just go for a little more sail than I 
should for the sheer joy of sailing the boat. Like a wonderful singlehanded 
beat back to Newport from Vineyard Haven one night that was practically my last 
sail on my C&C 40, Peregrine, before I sold her. I was ecstatic the whole way 
with 22 apparent, full main and number 3 in big waves. What a great boat!
Cheers
Andy

Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middletown, RI 
USA02842

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Oct 30, 2018, at 19:50, Brian Fry via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> After spending a wonderful weekend with a bunch of great folks, Manon and I 
> sailed back to 
> Havre de Grace under the strongest conditions we have been in yet. We usually 
> stay put if the forecast is over 20. The forecast was 20s with gusts to 30+. 
> I was looking forward to testing my new rig, especially since Josh allowed me 
> to use his Loos gauge to check my rig job. Turns out my tune was quite true. 
> We had been out before, but only at a max of about 20. 
> We set sail at the yellow mark outside Nap with 2 reefs in the main and a 
> full 100 jib. 
> Everything was going well, a nice beam reach, until north of the bridge when 
> the swells got larger and the gusts stronger. The gusts would push us over to 
> the rails in the water and last for a good 30 seconds, then a swell would 
> push us a little further. A few times we lost depth indication, a tell that 
> the transducer was out of the water, or nearly so. Reefing the jib to 50% 
> made things much more comfortable. We sailed the whole way back under these 
> conditions. Entering HdG channel was challenging, putting us close hauled and 
> tacking up the channel to where it ran abeam again. Thankfully my new sonar 
> allowed for greater tacks outside of the channel, which freaked out the 
> Admiral. I decided to tack instead of motoring and dropping sail to avoid 
> turning the sails into rags in the 25 knot winds ( mine are of unknown age).
> So now the question, when do you reef? How much wind is too much?
> We usually do the first reef at 15, the second at 20, then the jib at 25. I 
> am thinking 35 sustained would be my limit. But I havent been out in that yet.
> 
> S/V La Neige
> 1993 C&C 37/40 XL
> Havre de Grace , MD
> FB blog : thenext14years
> Brian and Manon
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Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather.

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Every boat is a bit different, but for a cruising you generally want to reef a 
bit before a racer because you don’t have 8 fat guys on the rail. C&Cs in 
general are big-jib small-main boats, so cruising you usually would not bother 
with a first reef in the main. I don’t even have the first reef strung right 
now, I only have the second one. I will restring the third one before I head 
offshore again.
35 knots is not extreme for our boats except a few of the smaller models. I 
would on my old 35 MK I have a 2nd reef main and working jib or genoa reefed 
down to that size. 50 knots for me is a storm jib and maybe a triple reefed 
main. The general idea for upwind work cruising is you reef enough to not have 
the boat badly out of balance and not heeled past say 25 degrees. OTOH you 
can’t reef down too much or you have no drive to get through the chop. With 
furling genoas rolling the sail in is easy and reefing the main is hard, but 
most of our boats will sail better usually with more jib and less main than 
vice versa if you can.

Another thought is there are limits to furling sails. In no way is a storm-jib 
sized piece of a slightly unrolled 140% genoa equivalent to an actual storm 
jib. Besides for the shape being horrible, you have a big roll of sail adding a 
lot of drag. If you know in advance it will be a heavy air day and you have the 
inventory, better to unrig the big genoa and have a working job or storm jib. 
Last thought – reefing the main lowers the center of effort, rolling in the jib 
does not.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fry 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 7:50 PM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Brian Fry 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather.

After spending a wonderful weekend with a bunch of great folks, Manon and I 
sailed back to
Havre de Grace under the strongest conditions we have been in yet. We usually 
stay put if the forecast is over 20. The forecast was 20s with gusts to 30+. I 
was looking forward to testing my new rig, especially since Josh allowed me to 
use his Loos gauge to check my rig job. Turns out my tune was quite true. We 
had been out before, but only at a max of about 20.
We set sail at the yellow mark outside Nap with 2 reefs in the main and a full 
100 jib.
Everything was going well, a nice beam reach, until north of the bridge when 
the swells got larger and the gusts stronger. The gusts would push us over to 
the rails in the water and last for a good 30 seconds, then a swell would push 
us a little further. A few times we lost depth indication, a tell that the 
transducer was out of the water, or nearly so. Reefing the jib to 50% made 
things much more comfortable. We sailed the whole way back under these 
conditions. Entering HdG channel was challenging, putting us close hauled and 
tacking up the channel to where it ran abeam again. Thankfully my new sonar 
allowed for greater tacks outside of the channel, which freaked out the 
Admiral. I decided to tack instead of motoring and dropping sail to avoid 
turning the sails into rags in the 25 knot winds ( mine are of unknown age).
So now the question, when do you reef? How much wind is too much?
We usually do the first reef at 15, the second at 20, then the jib at 25. I am 
thinking 35 sustained would be my limit. But I havent been out in that yet.

S/V La Neige
1993 C&C 37/40 XL
Havre de Grace , MD
FB blog : thenext14years
Brian and Manon
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