Re: Stus-List B Boat rotation on screen

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Bill,

I have the same compass.  Here is a link to the manual.
http://www.echomastermarine.co.uk/assets/manuals/Simrad/Autopilot/Compass/RFC35R%20Instruction%20Manual.pdf

Do you have a simrad/robnet auto pilot?  AP 20, 21, 22, 35?

Is your RFC35R setup for NMEA 0183?

I have an AP 22 and J300X autopilot.  To calibrate I have to navigate to
the calibration menu and over the course of ~2 minutes perform a complete
and even circle.  When it is done calibrating it will go to the next menu
where I can confirm calibration and adjust the offset.  During this time I
drive dead on each of the cardinal directions - 90, 180, 270, 360 as
indicated by the GPS.  If I find that there is a consistent deviation from
between the GPS direction and the RFC35R direction then I can enter an
offset number.  I believe that this offset is generally intended to correct
for minor errors resulting from unsquare mounting and the interference of
objects on board.  I would look to see how the RFC35R is mounted.  There is
a Forward orientation.  Then I would drive in each of the cardinal
directions and see if you can determine a consistent deviation.  Next see
if you can program that value into the chartplotter as part of the
calibration.

If none of those things work then try rotating the orientation of the unit
to see if that has any effect.

Let us know what you find.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 12:31 PM Bill via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I am having difficulty correcting the rotation of a little boat icon on
> the screen to the direction I am going. I am currently traveling at 238
> degrees, and the boat is pointing around 360. Does this require a compass
> calibration, or is it some simple setting? This is also screwing up my true
> wind and apparent wind speed.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Coleman
> Erie PA
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Re: Stus-List keel bolt nut

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Mine was like Chuck's.

I found the wire to be shockingly small and  the copper terminals heavily
corroded and poorly terminated.  If relatively low voltage and current was
able to attach the 1/4-20 bolt to the washer I figure that the current and
voltage of lightning will probably be enough to detach the bolt.  I made a
failed attempt to drill and tap the keel bolt.  By failed I mean that the
tap must not have been cutting square in the hole and I ultimately ended up
breaking the tap after successfully cutting threads about 1/2 inch deep.
The hardened steel of the tap was impossible to drill or extract.  This
would have been the absolute best method had it cut square and not broken.
I still recommend it.  BTW I was planning for a 3/4 inch long by 3/8ths SS
bolt for anchoring the wiring terminal to the keel bolt.

Instead of bolting directly to the keel bolt I ended up making a ground
plate out of 3/16th thick plate aluminum.  I cut a hole big enough for a
keel bolt.  I left a tang of metal extending out to the side.  In this tang
I drilled and tapped an hole for the 3/8ths bolt.  I locked the bolt in
place with a nut and then sandwiched the ground wire terminal between the
nut another.

My mast end of the wire just terminated at the metal step - again poorly
with no real attachment to the mast.  Instead I reassembled with a 3/8ths
bolt through the mast to act as a stud and then used a nut and washer to
hold the new ground wire terminal.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 6:17 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> David,
>
> Find the other end under the mast step.
>
> If it's like mine, there is a large washer under a keel nut with a 1/4" x
> 20 stud welded to it, and the ground wire which is simply a foot long
> battery cable with eyes crimped on each end is fastened to the bolt.
>
>
> CS
>
>
> On June 27, 2019 at 4:49 PM David Knecht via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I need to replace my mast grounding wire with 4 AWG (according to my
> surveyor).  It appears to connect at one end to the aluminum base plate of
> the mast and that nut is accessible and a new cable can be attached with a
> lug.  I have not yet found the other end. Could it be under the keel bolt?
> I have been thinking of ways to attach to a keel bolt.  The easiest would
> be if I could put a large enough lug on the end to go over a keel bolt and
> then put another nut on top.  I have not found a lug that large so this may
> be moot.  Can you buy a keel bolt nut?  Anyone know the spec or a source?
> Could I trap a large lug between the existing keel nut and a second one?
> An earlier thread discussed using braided copper instead but that appear to
> contradict ABYC standards.  Any suggestions on the best/easiest way to do
> this?  Thanks- Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Shaft Log leak on C 29 MkII

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Pull the engine, seal the shaft hole and mount a good outboard on the transom. 
Friend getting many more mile out of a Cal 25 that way.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 27, 2019, at 8:46 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Hi all,


A friend of mine just discovered why her C 29 MkII was leaking.  Water was 
coming in near the hose that supports the Prop shaft packing gland.  She hired 
a mechanic to pull the shaft and replace the hose which everyone thought was 
split.  Once the shaft was removed, the hose was found to be OK but the 
fiberglass tube, the shaft log, has a crack.  (I have not seen it)


The boatyard estimated $10K to replace the fiberglass tube which is more than 
the boat is worth, and it's a really nice boat and she wants to sail it, not 
sell it or donate it.


I have some ideas about fixing the problem but thought I'd ask the consortium 
for advice.  Anybody ever tackle a cracked shaft log?  I'm also looking for a 
way to test the repair for leakage before launching.


I thank you in advance,

Chuck S





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Re: Stus-List Shaft Log leak on C 29 MkII

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Thanks Dennis,

Love your comments.  The yards around Annapolis are crazy.  


The boat is hauled now and the shaft is out so I want to make the repair 
myself.  I have the tools for grinding and West System epoxy and 404 and 
waterproof fairing epoxy.  I haven't seen the crack, so I can only imagine.  


I think I would find the crack, grind it to expose good fiberglass, and fill 
with Thixo FLex Epoxy.  Inside the tube, I would insert a roll of Mylar to 
create a smooth finish.  Inside the boat, I would add 1708 to the shaft log 
where ever I can to beef it up and strengthen it and fair with Total Fair 
waterproof epoxy compound.


Am I on the right track?


Chuck S



> On June 27, 2019 at 8:53 PM "Dennis C. via CnC-List"  
> wrote:
> 
> Go to Walmart and buy 3-4 tubes of WaterWeld at $6 each.  Knead them and 
> slap them on the leak.  Slide the hose back on.  Go sailing.
> 
> Find a yard that will repair it during the next haul out for $500.  Am I 
> missing something here?  For $10K I'll fly there and fix it myself.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 7:46 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List < 
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > 
> > A friend of mine just discovered why her C 29 MkII was leaking.  
> > Water was coming in near the hose that supports the Prop shaft packing 
> > gland.  She hired a mechanic to pull the shaft and replace the hose which 
> > everyone thought was split.  Once the shaft was removed, the hose was found 
> > to be OK but the fiberglass tube, the shaft log, has a crack.  (I have not 
> > seen it)
> > 
> > 
> > The boatyard estimated $10K to replace the fiberglass tube which is 
> > more than the boat is worth, and it's a really nice boat and she wants to 
> > sail it, not sell it or donate it.
> > 
> > 
> > I have some ideas about fixing the problem but thought I'd ask the 
> > consortium for advice.  Anybody ever tackle a cracked shaft log?  I'm also 
> > looking for a way to test the repair for leakage before launching.
> > 
> > 
> > I thank you in advance,
> > 
> > Chuck S
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
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Re: Stus-List Shaft Log leak on C 29 MkII

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Go to Walmart and buy 3-4 tubes of WaterWeld at $6 each.  Knead them and
slap them on the leak.  Slide the hose back on.  Go sailing.

Find a yard that will repair it during the next haul out for $500.  Am I
missing something here?  For $10K I'll fly there and fix it myself.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 7:46 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
> A friend of mine just discovered why her C 29 MkII was leaking.  Water
> was coming in near the hose that supports the Prop shaft packing gland.
> She hired a mechanic to pull the shaft and replace the hose which everyone
> thought was split.  Once the shaft was removed, the hose was found to be OK
> but the fiberglass tube, the shaft log, has a crack.  (I have not seen it)
>
>
> The boatyard estimated $10K to replace the fiberglass tube which is more
> than the boat is worth, and it's a really nice boat and she wants to sail
> it, not sell it or donate it.
>
>
> I have some ideas about fixing the problem but thought I'd ask the
> consortium for advice.  Anybody ever tackle a cracked shaft log?  I'm also
> looking for a way to test the repair for leakage before launching.
>
>
> I thank you in advance,
>
> Chuck S
>
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Shaft Log leak on C 29 MkII

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hi all,


A friend of mine just discovered why her C 29 MkII was leaking.  Water was 
coming in near the hose that supports the Prop shaft packing gland.  She hired 
a mechanic to pull the shaft and replace the hose which everyone thought was 
split.  Once the shaft was removed, the hose was found to be OK but the 
fiberglass tube, the shaft log, has a crack.  (I have not seen it)


The boatyard estimated $10K to replace the fiberglass tube which is more than 
the boat is worth, and it's a really nice boat and she wants to sail it, not 
sell it or donate it.


I have some ideas about fixing the problem but thought I'd ask the consortium 
for advice.  Anybody ever tackle a cracked shaft log?  I'm also looking for a 
way to test the repair for leakage before launching.


I thank you in advance,

Chuck S


 

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Re: Stus-List B Boat rotation on screen

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Is this a new occurrence?  Did you check the area around the fluxgate for
metal and wires?

I take it the fluxgate has been installed a while?  If it was a new install
I'd say check the orientation of the fluxgate.  Do you have a control
instrument where you can adjust the compass, i'e. add/subtract 135?

Interesting issue.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 6:48 PM Bill via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Well, I did the turns, and it is still 135° off. I guess I will have to
> dig a Little deeper. Maybe It has something to do with how the boat is
> rotated.
>
>
>
> On Jun 27, 2019 1:11 PM, Bill  wrote:
>
> There is an RFC 35r rate compass installed. I'm assuming it would be a
> fluxgate, probably 2002 vintage.
> Good call.
> This has me thinking. I just brought it up on the screen and I can
> actually calibrate it . I couldn't figure out how in the world I would do
> that,  because they are so old and different. But it looks like when we get
> back to Port, I will do my turns. And see if something magical happens.
>
> Bill
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Re: Stus-List B Boat rotation on screen

[Bill via CnC-List]

Well, I did the turns, and it is still 135° off. I guess I will have to dig a Little deeper. Maybe It has something to do with how the boat is rotated.On Jun 27, 2019 1:11 PM, Bill  wrote:There is an RFC 35r rate compass installed. I'm assuming it would be a fluxgate, probably 2002 vintage. Good call. This has me thinking. I just brought it up on the screen and I can actually calibrate it . I couldn't figure out how in the world I would do that,  because they are so old and different. But it looks like when we get back to Port, I will do my turns. And see if something magical happens.Bill ___

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Re: Stus-List keel bolt nut

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

David,

Find the other end under the mast step. 

If it's like mine, there is a large washer under a keel nut with a 1/4" x 20 
stud welded to it, and the ground wire which is simply a foot long battery 
cable with eyes crimped on each end is fastened to the bolt. 


CS


> On June 27, 2019 at 4:49 PM David Knecht via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I need to replace my mast grounding wire with 4 AWG (according to my 
> surveyor).  It appears to connect at one end to the aluminum base plate of 
> the mast and that nut is accessible and a new cable can be attached with a 
> lug.  I have not yet found the other end. Could it be under the keel bolt? I 
> have been thinking of ways to attach to a keel bolt.  The easiest would be if 
> I could put a large enough lug on the end to go over a keel bolt and then put 
> another nut on top.  I have not found a lug that large so this may be moot.  
> Can you buy a keel bolt nut?  Anyone know the spec or a source?   Could I 
> trap a large lug between the existing keel nut and a second one?  An earlier 
> thread discussed using braided copper instead but that appear to contradict 
> ABYC standards.  Any suggestions on the best/easiest way to do this?  Thanks- 
> Dave
> 
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
> 


 

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Re: Stus-List keel bolt nut

[James Hesketh via CnC-List]

David wrote:

> I need to replace my mast grounding wire with 4 AWG (according to my
> surveyor).  It appears to connect at one end to the aluminum base plate of
> the mast and that nut is accessible and a new cable can be attached with a
> lug.  I have not yet found the other end. Could it be under the keel bolt?
>
>
On my 26 the wire ran down in a groove between the king post and the
bulkhead then was attached to a bolt under the cabin sole in the head,
which is a very shallow section of bilge forward of all keel bolts.

Jim Hesketh
C 26 Whisper
Miami, FL
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Re: Stus-List keel bolt nut

[schiller via CnC-List]

Dave,

I would drill and tap the closest backing plate with a 10-32 or 1/4-20 
thread and use a standard lug.  I might even consider a 5/16-18 thread 
and use a standard premade ground cable.


Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 6/27/2019 4:49 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:
I need to replace my mast grounding wire with 4 AWG (according to my 
surveyor).  It appears to connect at one end to the aluminum base 
plate of the mast and that nut is accessible and a new cable can be 
attached with a lug.  I have not yet found the other end. Could it be 
under the keel bolt? I have been thinking of ways to attach to a keel 
bolt.  The easiest would be if I could put a large enough lug on the 
end to go over a keel bolt and then put another nut on top.  I have 
not found a lug that large so this may be moot.  Can you buy a keel 
bolt nut?  Anyone know the spec or a source?   Could I trap a large 
lug between the existing keel nut and a second one?  An earlier thread 
discussed using braided copper instead but that appear to contradict 
ABYC standards.  Any suggestions on the best/easiest way to do this? 
 Thanks- Dave


S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Stus-List keel bolt nut

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I need to replace my mast grounding wire with 4 AWG (according to my surveyor). 
 It appears to connect at one end to the aluminum base plate of the mast and 
that nut is accessible and a new cable can be attached with a lug.  I have not 
yet found the other end. Could it be under the keel bolt? I have been thinking 
of ways to attach to a keel bolt.  The easiest would be if I could put a large 
enough lug on the end to go over a keel bolt and then put another nut on top.  
I have not found a lug that large so this may be moot.  Can you buy a keel bolt 
nut?  Anyone know the spec or a source?   Could I trap a large lug between the 
existing keel nut and a second one?  An earlier thread discussed using braided 
copper instead but that appear to contradict ABYC standards.  Any suggestions 
on the best/easiest way to do this?  Thanks- Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List B Boat rotation on screen

[Bill via CnC-List]

There is an RFC 35r rate compass installed. I'm assuming it would be a fluxgate, probably 2002 vintage. Good call. This has me thinking. I just brought it up on the screen and I can actually calibrate it . I couldn't figure out how in the world I would do that,  because they are so old and different. But it looks like when we get back to Port, I will do my turns. And see if something magical happens.Bill ___

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Re: Stus-List B Boat rotation on screen

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Does it agree with your binnacle compass?  :)

First, check the course setting on your chartplotter.  Is your chartplotter
heading set to magnetic?   If so, swing (calibrate) your fluxgate compass.
If that doesn't correct the problem, check the area around your fluxgate
for anything metal or electrical which may interfere with the reading.

If that doesn't solve the issue, set your chartplotter heading to true.
You'll still have the problem but you won't see it.  :)

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
Touche'

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:31 AM Bill via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I am having difficulty correcting the rotation of a little boat icon on
> the screen to the direction I am going. I am currently traveling at 238
> degrees, and the boat is pointing around 360. Does this require a compass
> calibration, or is it some simple setting? This is also screwing up my true
> wind and apparent wind speed.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Coleman
> Erie PA
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Re: Stus-List B Boat rotation on screen

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

It sounds like you need to swing your fluxgate compass. That’s what the heading 
is usually derived from

Andy

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> On Jun 27, 2019, at 12:39, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is there a fluxgate involved or is it using GPS derived heading info?
>  
> Joe
> Coquina
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 12:31 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Bill 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List B Boat rotation on screen
>  
> I am having difficulty correcting the rotation of a little boat icon on the 
> screen to the direction I am going. I am currently traveling at 238 degrees, 
> and the boat is pointing around 360. Does this require a compass calibration, 
> or is it some simple setting? This is also screwing up my true wind and 
> apparent wind speed.
>  
> Thanks, 
>  
> Bill Coleman
> Erie PA
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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Is there a fluxgate involved or is it using GPS derived heading info?

Joe
Coquina

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List B Boat rotation on screen

I am having difficulty correcting the rotation of a little boat icon on the 
screen to the direction I am going. I am currently traveling at 238 degrees, 
and the boat is pointing around 360. Does this require a compass calibration, 
or is it some simple setting? This is also screwing up my true wind and 
apparent wind speed.

Thanks,

Bill Coleman
Erie PA
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I am having difficulty correcting the rotation of a little boat icon on the screen to the direction I am going. I am currently traveling at 238 degrees, and the boat is pointing around 360. Does this require a compass calibration, or is it some simple setting? This is also screwing up my true wind and apparent wind speed.Thanks, Bill ColemanErie PA___

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Re: Stus-List Block Island's Great Salt Pond - Town Mooring or Dock Reservation?

[jim aridas via CnC-List]

Was at Champlain's yesterday drinking mudslides. Amazing  how empty considering 
its race week.
Jim Aridas
Former Galaxy 34

Sent from my Verizon Smartphone
On Jun 27, 2019 11:32 AM, David Risch via CnC-List  
wrote:
PluS 20!

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Edd Schillay via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 10:55:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Re: Stus-List Block Island's Great Salt Pond - Town Mooring or Dock 
Reservation?

If you’re going to do Mystic, which I also recommend, forget Brewers and stay 
in the Mystic Seaport. It’s a short walk into town, your boat is on display in 
the museum, and you have the whole place to yourself at night. Our first C 
rendezvous was there and it was a blast.

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log










On Jun 27, 2019, at 10:50 AM, damian.greene--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

One final recommendation: Brewer's in Mystic. It is a fun sail inside Fisher's 
Island, and then up the channel past Noank to Mystic. Do not be tempted to cut 
the dog-leg at Noank entrance.

The Brewer yard has BBQs, pool, and good showers, and then an easy dinghy ride 
up the river to the Mystic town dock and Mystic Seaport. Plenty of restaurants, 
bars, etc.

Mystic is an easy sail to Newport or Block.

Damian

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Re: Stus-List Block Island's Great Salt Pond - Town Mooring or Dock Reservation?

[David Risch via CnC-List]

PluS 20!

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Edd Schillay via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 10:55:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Re: Stus-List Block Island's Great Salt Pond - Town Mooring or Dock 
Reservation?

If you’re going to do Mystic, which I also recommend, forget Brewers and stay 
in the Mystic Seaport. It’s a short walk into town, your boat is on display in 
the museum, and you have the whole place to yourself at night. Our first C 
rendezvous was there and it was a blast.

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log










On Jun 27, 2019, at 10:50 AM, damian.greene--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

One final recommendation: Brewer's in Mystic. It is a fun sail inside Fisher's 
Island, and then up the channel past Noank to Mystic. Do not be tempted to cut 
the dog-leg at Noank entrance.

The Brewer yard has BBQs, pool, and good showers, and then an easy dinghy ride 
up the river to the Mystic town dock and Mystic Seaport. Plenty of restaurants, 
bars, etc.

Mystic is an easy sail to Newport or Block.

Damian

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[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

If you’re going to do Mystic, which I also recommend, forget Brewers and stay 
in the Mystic Seaport. It’s a short walk into town, your boat is on display in 
the museum, and you have the whole place to yourself at night. Our first C 
rendezvous was there and it was a blast. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY 
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 











On Jun 27, 2019, at 10:50 AM, damian.greene--- via CnC-List 
 wrote:

One final recommendation: Brewer's in Mystic. It is a fun sail inside Fisher's 
Island, and then up the channel past Noank to Mystic. Do not be tempted to cut 
the dog-leg at Noank entrance. 

The Brewer yard has BBQs, pool, and good showers, and then an easy dinghy ride 
up the river to the Mystic town dock and Mystic Seaport. Plenty of restaurants, 
bars, etc.

Mystic is an easy sail to Newport or Block.

Damian

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[damian.greene--- via CnC-List]

One final recommendation: Brewer's in Mystic. It is a fun sail inside Fisher's 
Island, and then up the channel past Noank to Mystic. Do not be tempted to cut 
the dog-leg at Noank entrance. 
The Brewer yard has BBQs, pool, and good showers, and then an easy dinghy ride 
up the river to the Mystic town dock and Mystic Seaport. Plenty of restaurants, 
bars, etc.
Mystic is an easy sail to Newport or Block.
Damian

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
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Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang?

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

When I replaced the hatches on our 33-II I reversed the mid ship hatch …. 
Improves the ventilation when in our slip!

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang?

Ditto the A hatch on the cabin top of my 38. Just move the hinge rod to the 
front of the frame and reverse the hatch cover.

Rick Brass

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On Jun 27, 2019, at 07:36, David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Richard…my hatch is reversable so  it opens aft.   Perhaps you can reverse 
yours?

David F. Risch
Gulf Stream Associates
(401) 419-4650

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mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf 
Of Richard Bush via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 10:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard Bush mailto:bushma...@aol.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang?

John, I have a rigid vang on my 37...no issues, except that you can't open the 
mid cabin Hatch open unless the boom is off center...but we don't do that very 
often anyway; I do not race

Richard
s/v Bushmark 4: 1985 C 37; Ohio River, Mile 584; river still high...

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: John Conklin mailto:jconk...@hotmail.com>>
Sent: Wed, Jun 26, 2019 4:47 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang?
Rick,
I believe at one point I was told this would not work on Halcyon? 1982 - 37  
But I would love to have the solid Vang! Maybe I need the customer bracket for 
clearances?
John Conklin
S/V Halcyon

On Jun 26, 2019, at 11:02 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
+2 on the Garhauer rigid vang.

I have one on each of my boats…. Getting rid of the verdamte topping lift is 
such a wonderful thing, and the Garhauer vang is such a bargain. Guido made 
custom brackets for the mast base and boom for each of the vangs – included in 
the price. The one on the 25 was bought about 1996 and the one on the 38 about 
2004.


Rick Brass
Washington, NC



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via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 4:10 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: jhnelson24 mailto:jhnelso...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang?

Ditto. Very happy with mine had it for more than 9 years.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 Original message 
From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Date: 2019-06-25 12:37 (GMT-04:00)
To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Randy Stafford 
mailto:randal.staff...@icloud.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang?

I bought a rigid vang for my 30 MK I from Garhauer three years ago for $495. 
I’ve been happy with it.

Cheers,
Randy

On Jun 25, 2019, at 9:29 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Listers,

My rigid boom vang has seen better days and I’m looking to do a replacement. 
Can anyone recommend a good option for a boat in the 37-40’ range that won’t 
break the bank?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's 
Log












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Re: Stus-List Survey About Racing

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

1. Where do you race? Nova Scotia.  Mostly Halifax Harbour and Approaches.

2. What wind conditions are the rule and exception there? Evening races in 
summer 10 knots SW.  Spring windier and more from North

3. What kind of courses do you sail? Mostly WL but RC now throwing in a 
reaching leg approx. every 2nd race

4. What sail plan do you fly? Full inventory.  155 genoa, 140 genoa, 100 jib, 
sym spin, main

5. What model of boat are you racing? Frers 33

6. What PHRF rating do you race with? (please list adjustments) 114

7. What is your boat’s fastest point of sail? Downwind reach apparent wind just 
aft of beam

8. Is there leapfrogging in your races, or do boat-for-boat positions stay 
fairly constant? Yes.  Which side of course you pick makes a huge difference

9. How many boats are you usually competing against? 15 – 16 in our class on 
good night 10-12 on other nights

10. In general, how well do you perform in racing results?  Top 5 most nights



And now a few more subjective questions:



11. Do you think your boat’s rating assumes you’ll race it on a particular kind 
of course with a particular sail plan? PHRF is designed for triangle courses.  
Our boat rating favours WL a bit

12. How do you think your local rating authority determines the rating for your 
boat? We use 5 comparison areas with similar wind conditions and fleet makeup.  
Average of those areas for a rating for a model new to area. Reviews use median 
back corrected rating in area regattas.  Boat must be consistently sailing 12 
or more sec/mile faster than rating to even be considered for a change.  Any 
further questions contact me directly as I am very involved in this

13. What do you think are the most important factors in your performance 
against your competition? Boat prep, crew work and going the right way

14. What do you think are the most important race tactics for beating your 
competition? Getting clean air and sailing where the wind and currents are most 
favourable
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Re: Stus-List Block Island's Great Salt Pond - Town Mooring or Dock Reservation?

[Thomas Delaney via CnC-List]

Thanks all, I have a dock reservation pending! Champlin's has a two night
minimum so I'm trying my luck at the New Harbor Boat Basin first. If
neither of those work out, I'll try my luck at Fishers Island or somewhere
else up the CT coast.

I had not considered Cuttyhunk Island as a possibility, and will definitely
add it to the itinerary of a future cruise. Sounds much more my speed
versus Block. Thanks for the recommendation, Damian!

All best,
Tom

---
Snow Goose
'73 C 35-1
City Island, NY

-- Forwarded message --
From: David Risch 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 22:19:59 +
Subject: Re: Stus-List Block Island's Great Salt Pond - Town Mooring or
Dock Reservation?
And holding ground is not great with deepish anchoring waters.   Get the
slip...
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damian.greene--- via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 6:01:37 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* damian.gre...@yahoo.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Block Island's Great Salt Pond - Town Mooring or
Dock Reservation?

Tom,

I second Edd's comments. Go for a slip. Choice is limited - many of the
slips are too shallow.

When we lived in Connecticut, Block was the most fun part of our summer
cruise. Rather than deal with the uncertainty of finding a mooring, we
would book a "slip" at Champlin's. I use the term slip advisedly, because
Champlin's pile the boats in, and you will inevitably find yourself rafted
3 deep. However, that is all part of the fun. The place is a summer-long
party (80% power boaters), with a bar by the fuel dock, music, pizza,
ice-cream, cinema, pool. Really a lot of fun - and that is before you even
leave the marina.

If you have an extra couple of days, Cuttyhunk is about 35 miles further.
The "anti-Block". Well worth the visit.

Damian Greene

Sabre 38 Freefall
Bass Harbor, Maine
(previously C 34)

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Re: Stus-List Survey About Racing

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Survey monkey might make this survey easier!
Charlie Nelson


-Original Message-
From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Randy Stafford 
Sent: Thu, Jun 27, 2019 10:17 am
Subject: Stus-List Survey About Racing

Hello Listers,

I’d like to conduct a little survey about racing, tapping into the broad 
experience, geography, and boat diversity represented on this list.

What prompted this is a discussion in my club about ratings, which expanded 
into a discussion about courses, tactics, and relative performance.  I’d like 
to get perspective from the collective knowledge on this list, to add into that 
discussion.

So here are some fairly objective survey questions, for those of you who race 
your boats:

1. Where do you race?
2. What wind conditions are the rule and exception there?
3. What kind of courses do you sail?
4. What sail plan do you fly?
5. What model of boat are you racing?
6. What PHRF rating do you race with? (please list adjustments)
7. What is your boat’s fastest point of sail?
8. Is there leapfrogging in your races, or do boat-for-boat positions stay 
fairly constant?
9. How many boats are you usually competing against?
10. In general, how well do you perform in racing results?

And now a few more subjective questions:

11. Do you think your boat’s rating assumes you’ll race it on a particular kind 
of course with a particular sail plan?
12. How do you think your local rating authority determines the rating for your 
boat?
13. What do you think are the most important factors in your performance 
against your competition?
14. What do you think are the most important race tactics for beating your 
competition?

Thank you very much in advance for your responses to this survey.

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Hello Listers,

I’d like to conduct a little survey about racing, tapping into the broad 
experience, geography, and boat diversity represented on this list.

What prompted this is a discussion in my club about ratings, which expanded 
into a discussion about courses, tactics, and relative performance.  I’d like 
to get perspective from the collective knowledge on this list, to add into that 
discussion.

So here are some fairly objective survey questions, for those of you who race 
your boats:

1. Where do you race?
2. What wind conditions are the rule and exception there?
3. What kind of courses do you sail?
4. What sail plan do you fly?
5. What model of boat are you racing?
6. What PHRF rating do you race with? (please list adjustments)
7. What is your boat’s fastest point of sail?
8. Is there leapfrogging in your races, or do boat-for-boat positions stay 
fairly constant?
9. How many boats are you usually competing against?
10. In general, how well do you perform in racing results?

And now a few more subjective questions:

11. Do you think your boat’s rating assumes you’ll race it on a particular kind 
of course with a particular sail plan?
12. How do you think your local rating authority determines the rating for your 
boat?
13. What do you think are the most important factors in your performance 
against your competition?
14. What do you think are the most important race tactics for beating your 
competition?

Thank you very much in advance for your responses to this survey.

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Ditto the A hatch on the cabin top of my 38. Just move the hinge rod to the 
front of the frame and reverse the hatch cover.

Rick Brass

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 27, 2019, at 07:36, David Risch via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Richard…my hatch is reversable so  it opens aft.   Perhaps you can reverse 
> yours?
>  
> David F. Risch
> Gulf Stream Associates
> (401) 419-4650
>  
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Richard Bush via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 10:44 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Richard Bush 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang?
>  
> John, I have a rigid vang on my 37...no issues, except that you can't open 
> the mid cabin Hatch open unless the boom is off center...but we don't do that 
> very often anyway; I do not race
>  
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark 4: 1985 C 37; Ohio River, Mile 584; river still high...
>  
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: John Conklin via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: John Conklin 
> Sent: Wed, Jun 26, 2019 4:47 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang?
> 
> Rick, 
> I believe at one point I was told this would not work on Halcyon? 1982 - 37  
> But I would love to have the solid Vang! Maybe I need the customer bracket 
> for clearances?
> 
> John Conklin 
> S/V Halcyon 
> 
> On Jun 26, 2019, at 11:02 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> +2 on the Garhauer rigid vang.
>  
> I have one on each of my boats…. Getting rid of the verdamte topping lift is 
> such a wonderful thing, and the Garhauer vang is such a bargain. Guido made 
> custom brackets for the mast base and boom for each of the vangs – included 
> in the price. The one on the 25 was bought about 1996 and the one on the 38 
> about 2004.
>  
>  
> Rick Brass
> Washington, NC
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jhnelson24 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 4:10 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: jhnelson24 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang?
>  
> Ditto. Very happy with mine had it for more than 9 years. 
>  
>  
>  
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>  
>  Original message 
> From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
> Date: 2019-06-25 12:37 (GMT-04:00)
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Randy Stafford 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang?
>  
> I bought a rigid vang for my 30 MK I from Garhauer three years ago for $495. 
> I’ve been happy with it.
>  
> Cheers,
> Randy
>  
> 
> On Jun 25, 2019, at 9:29 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>  
> Listers,
>  
> My rigid boom vang has seen better days and I’m looking to do a replacement. 
> Can anyone recommend a good option for a boat in the 37-40’ range that won’t 
> break the bank? 
> 
> All the best,
>  
> Edd
>  
>  
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY 
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>  
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>  
> 
> 
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[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

Thanks Dave; we just replaced the hatches with new, so I don't think they 
reverse... however, I'll check and see; the midship hatch is used for 
ventilation only so it isn't much of a issue...
 
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, finally dropping
Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
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div.yiv9190728973WordSection1 {} #yiv9190728973 Richard…my hatch is reversable 
so  it opens aft.   Perhaps you can reverse yours?    David F. Risch Gulf 
Stream Associates (401) 419-4650    From: CnC-List 
 On Behalf OfRichard Bush via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 10:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang?    John, I have a rigid vang on my 
37...no issues, except that you can't open the mid cabin Hatch open unless the 
boom is off center...but we don't do that very often anyway; I do not race  
  Richard s/v Bushmark 4: 1985 C 37; Ohio River, Mile 584; river still 
high...    Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, 
Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255       -Original Message-
From: John Conklin via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: John Conklin 
Sent: Wed, Jun 26, 2019 4:47 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang? Rick,  I believe at one point I was 
told this would not work on Halcyon? 1982 - 37  But I would love to have the 
solid Vang! Maybe I need the customer bracket for clearances? John Conklin  S/V 
Halcyon  
On Jun 26, 2019, at 11:02 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
wrote: +2 on the Garhauer rigid vang.   I have one on each of my boats…. 
Getting rid of the verdamte topping lift is such a wonderful thing, and the 
Garhauer vang is such a bargain. Guido made custom brackets for the mast base 
and boom for each of the vangs – included in the price. The one on the 25 was 
bought about 1996 and the one on the 38 about 2004.     Rick Brass Washington, 
NC       From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of 
jhnelson24 via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 4:10 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: jhnelson24 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang?   Ditto. Very happy with mine had it 

Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang?

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Richard…my hatch is reversable so  it opens aft.   Perhaps you can reverse 
yours?

David F. Risch
Gulf Stream Associates
(401) 419-4650

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Richard Bush via 
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 10:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang?

John, I have a rigid vang on my 37...no issues, except that you can't open the 
mid cabin Hatch open unless the boom is off center...but we don't do that very 
often anyway; I do not race

Richard
s/v Bushmark 4: 1985 C 37; Ohio River, Mile 584; river still high...

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: John Conklin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: John Conklin mailto:jconk...@hotmail.com>>
Sent: Wed, Jun 26, 2019 4:47 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang?
Rick,
I believe at one point I was told this would not work on Halcyon? 1982 - 37  
But I would love to have the solid Vang! Maybe I need the customer bracket for 
clearances?
John Conklin
S/V Halcyon

On Jun 26, 2019, at 11:02 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
+2 on the Garhauer rigid vang.

I have one on each of my boats…. Getting rid of the verdamte topping lift is 
such a wonderful thing, and the Garhauer vang is such a bargain. Guido made 
custom brackets for the mast base and boom for each of the vangs – included in 
the price. The one on the 25 was bought about 1996 and the one on the 38 about 
2004.


Rick Brass
Washington, NC



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jhnelson24 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 4:10 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: jhnelson24 mailto:jhnelso...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang?

Ditto. Very happy with mine had it for more than 9 years.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 Original message 
From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Date: 2019-06-25 12:37 (GMT-04:00)
To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Randy Stafford 
mailto:randal.staff...@icloud.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang?

I bought a rigid vang for my 30 MK I from Garhauer three years ago for $495. 
I’ve been happy with it.

Cheers,
Randy

On Jun 25, 2019, at 9:29 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Listers,

My rigid boom vang has seen better days and I’m looking to do a replacement. 
Can anyone recommend a good option for a boat in the 37-40’ range that won’t 
break the bank?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's 
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