Re: Stus-List Number of C 41s that are still afloat?

[Donald Kern via CnC-List]

Will,

Here is a list of some forty-four C 41s that participate in the forum 
or do PHRF races.  If you have any additional data on 41s I would like 
to incorporate into my list.

Don Kern

Fireball C 35 Mk2
Bristol RI



On 2/29/2020 8:49 PM, Will Gerstmyer via CnC-List wrote:

Hi. I can find that there were 700-something C built—but no breakdown by 
model, so that includes all models. Does anybody know how many were 41’s? How many 
are still afloat? Thanks, Will

Will Gerstmyer
978-609-1331
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 170, Issue 3

[Peter Derviller via CnC-List]

More than 700 30’s built

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2020, at 09:00, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> cnc


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Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Wow, that does look nice. Much prefer the teak doors to the smoked acrylic
sliders we have on Callisto. And the AC power is in a better place if you
actually use it for, like, bathroom stuff. :) Ours is behind the head to
the left, but usually just has a small heater plugged in for the winter or
when dock camping with power to keep the vberth warm.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 4:04 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I wanted to brighten up Touche's head.  I covered the aft and outboard
> bulkheads with a frosty white "Formica equivalent" and painted the inside
> of the head door with Interlux Brightside Off White or Hatteras White.
>
> See:  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsQk9CUjEzOGJiY3M
>
> Like others, I prefer the look of teak elsewhere in the interior.  I spent
> many, many hours sanding and varnishing the interior teak.  I did that in
> 1999.  Still looks great today.  Note: the veneer in older boats is thicker
> than in the newer boats.  Attempting to sand the interior teak veneer in
> newer boats is risky.  I'd recommend a combination of good teak cleaner and
> brightener.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 5:37 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your perspectives.
>>
>> I admit that I had not considered that freshening up the boat as I
>> planned would diminish the value--given the sorry state of the water
>> stained teak my thought was that it would increase the value!
>>
>> My thoughts were that something needs done with the current teak in the
>> boat--especially the main cabin where the water stains are--and that in
>> order to do the teak with varnish, the stains and the teak really need
>> cleaned up--far beyond just doing interior varnishing over a previously
>> varnished teak. My teak was never varnished, only left natural with very
>> occasional oil rubbed on--maybe twice in 25 years.
>>
>> Given the stains, my guess is that cleaning them up for varnish
>> application would likely double the cost of the refresh since the surface
>> prep would be extensive and then there are multiple varnish coats to be
>> addressed. After likely 5+ boat bucks, I am left with a likely very pretty,
>> shiny AND dark teak interior. I have not been to any boat shows lately, but
>> all the ads for boats show pictures with light, airy, bright interiors. I
>> think that might make my 1995 model look more like a 2015 or 2020 model
>> boat down below, as opposed to a 1985, 1975 or even older boat. Of course,
>> I could be totally wrong in this since I have only sold ONE boat in my life!
>>
>> Painting the faces of the teak doors (both cabin and storage), drawers,
>> etc. and leaving the remaining teak alone appears to me to keep the cost
>> reasonable AND add substantial brightness to the cabin. BTW, my head was
>> finished by the factory in a similar manner--almost all the surfaces are
>> off-white (Formica or painted wood--not sure)--only the cabinet handles and
>> trim are teak and it still looks great.
>>
>> I am faced with trade-offs of cost vs. change in value (+ or -). I doubt
>> that any varnish or paint job will add or subtract substantially to the
>> boat value at sale time--its more a matter of
>> "...the lesser of two weevils..." to copy from Patrick O'Bryan. If I am
>> right or even close to it, I need to get the best refresh for the money and
>> to me that seems like paint vs. varnish--although I still cringe a little
>> when I think of painting over mostly solid, is seriously stained, teak!
>>
>> FWIW,
>>
>> Charlie Nelson
>> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
>> New Bern, NC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: David Risch via CnC-List 
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> Cc: David Risch 
>> Sent: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 4:51 pm
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting
>>
>> Charlie,
>>
>> On my 1981 40 I painted part of my head and the countertops of the
>> galley.  They were, of all things, teak.
>>
>> I would not, however, go to the extreme you speak of unless you are
>> keeping it forever...to Neals point.
>>
>> Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Neil E.
>> Andersen via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 2:02:50 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> *Cc:* Neil E. Andersen 
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting
>>
>> Charlie,
>>
>> Good luck, just realize that your boat value will be diminished.
>>
>> Neil
>> 1982 C 32 FoxFire
>> Rock Hall, MD
>>
>> Yacht Broker
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Charlie
>> Nelson via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:24 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* cenel...@aol.com
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Interior teak painting
>>
>> Thanks to all who responded to my email regarding my interior teak water
>> stains. It certainly would 

Re: Stus-List Hydraulic Backstay - Best Fluid?

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Mine had transmission fluid originally, but the hydraulic ram service company 
advised me to switch it out and use a non-detergent 10 weight oil.  Works 
great, thirteen years now.  Bought it at NAPA.  I would use that again.

Chuck Scheaffer Resolute, 1989 C 34R



> On March 1, 2020 at 7:59 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Listers,
> 
> What is the best fluid to use in my Navtec Hydraulic Backstay? 
> 
> I see lots of chatter about viscosity and moisture inhibitors, but no 
> real definitive answer. 
> 
> Anyone have a recommendation? 
> 
> All the best, 
> 
> Edd
> 
> ———-
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
> C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
> www.StarshipSailing.com
> ———-
> 914.774.9767   | Mobile
> ———-
> Sent via iPhone 11 Pro
> iPhone. iTypos. iApologize
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Stus-List Hydraulic Backstay - Best Fluid?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

What is the best fluid to use in my Navtec Hydraulic Backstay? 

I see lots of chatter about viscosity and moisture inhibitors, but no real 
definitive answer. 

Anyone have a recommendation? 

All the best, 

Edd

———-
Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
www.StarshipSailing.com
———-
914.774.9767   | Mobile
———-
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Stus-List Aargh. 33-2 Henderson bilge pump handle dimensions anyone?

[Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List]

Hi Dave
Will measure tomorrow, while down checking on the boat.
Brad
Pulkse C 33/2
Lake Huron

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Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I wanted to brighten up Touche's head.  I covered the aft and outboard
bulkheads with a frosty white "Formica equivalent" and painted the inside
of the head door with Interlux Brightside Off White or Hatteras White.

See:  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsQk9CUjEzOGJiY3M

Like others, I prefer the look of teak elsewhere in the interior.  I spent
many, many hours sanding and varnishing the interior teak.  I did that in
1999.  Still looks great today.  Note: the veneer in older boats is thicker
than in the newer boats.  Attempting to sand the interior teak veneer in
newer boats is risky.  I'd recommend a combination of good teak cleaner and
brightener.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 5:37 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks for your perspectives.
>
> I admit that I had not considered that freshening up the boat as I planned
> would diminish the value--given the sorry state of the water stained teak
> my thought was that it would increase the value!
>
> My thoughts were that something needs done with the current teak in the
> boat--especially the main cabin where the water stains are--and that in
> order to do the teak with varnish, the stains and the teak really need
> cleaned up--far beyond just doing interior varnishing over a previously
> varnished teak. My teak was never varnished, only left natural with very
> occasional oil rubbed on--maybe twice in 25 years.
>
> Given the stains, my guess is that cleaning them up for varnish
> application would likely double the cost of the refresh since the surface
> prep would be extensive and then there are multiple varnish coats to be
> addressed. After likely 5+ boat bucks, I am left with a likely very pretty,
> shiny AND dark teak interior. I have not been to any boat shows lately, but
> all the ads for boats show pictures with light, airy, bright interiors. I
> think that might make my 1995 model look more like a 2015 or 2020 model
> boat down below, as opposed to a 1985, 1975 or even older boat. Of course,
> I could be totally wrong in this since I have only sold ONE boat in my life!
>
> Painting the faces of the teak doors (both cabin and storage), drawers,
> etc. and leaving the remaining teak alone appears to me to keep the cost
> reasonable AND add substantial brightness to the cabin. BTW, my head was
> finished by the factory in a similar manner--almost all the surfaces are
> off-white (Formica or painted wood--not sure)--only the cabinet handles and
> trim are teak and it still looks great.
>
> I am faced with trade-offs of cost vs. change in value (+ or -). I doubt
> that any varnish or paint job will add or subtract substantially to the
> boat value at sale time--its more a matter of
> "...the lesser of two weevils..." to copy from Patrick O'Bryan. If I am
> right or even close to it, I need to get the best refresh for the money and
> to me that seems like paint vs. varnish--although I still cringe a little
> when I think of painting over mostly solid, is seriously stained, teak!
>
> FWIW,
>
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
> New Bern, NC
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Risch via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: David Risch 
> Sent: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 4:51 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting
>
> Charlie,
>
> On my 1981 40 I painted part of my head and the countertops of the
> galley.  They were, of all things, teak.
>
> I would not, however, go to the extreme you speak of unless you are
> keeping it forever...to Neals point.
>
> Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Neil E.
> Andersen via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 2:02:50 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> *Cc:* Neil E. Andersen 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting
>
> Charlie,
>
> Good luck, just realize that your boat value will be diminished.
>
> Neil
> 1982 C 32 FoxFire
> Rock Hall, MD
>
> Yacht Broker
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Charlie
> Nelson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:24 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* cenel...@aol.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List Interior teak painting
>
> Thanks to all who responded to my email regarding my interior teak water
> stains. It certainly would be a big job to remove them and then I would
> need to redo all the interior teak with a varnish, etc.
>
> The result would be spectacular (probably) but in the end I would have a
> pretty dark (but shiny!) cabin and be many boat bucks/hours poorer.
>
> Thus I have decided to go with painting most of the interior teak and just
> leaving the teak 'trim' pieces in their original condition (or doing them
> with Epiphanes), including the the louvers in the cabin doors and cabinet
> doors, etc. This would lighten up and make the cabin look a lot more modern
> than redoing all the teak. My 1995 36 XL/kcb has a whole bunch of teak and
> 

Stus-List Aargh. 33-2 Henderson bilge pump handle dimensions anyone?

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Evening all.  Building some stowage brackets, Managed to forget this at the 
boat.   Does anyone happen to have the dimensions close at hand?Thanks!

Dave 

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Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Thanks David--what you did is what I have in mind for my main cabin regarding 
the big vertical surfaces, especially those that are in bad shape. 
In addition, I plan to do the vertical smooth teak on the opening doors/panels 
while leaving the louvers and trim around the doors as is (teak).
Great job in your case.
Charlie



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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 170, Issue 2

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Hey Rob;
Since you were "...'present at the creation...' so to speak, it looks like 
C's serial numbers were consecutive with no breaks for slight model changes. 
I know of one company who sometimes skips numbers for internal purposes--say a 
new but small feature is added (software or hardware) and the next device out 
the door may skip serial numbers, say from 254 to 300. In that case, there were 
not 300 models made but the 'serial' number is still unique.
Charlie NelsonWater PhantomC 36 XL/kcbSerial Number (from hull number) #77.


-Original Message-
From: Rob Ball via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Rob Ball 
Sent: Sun, Mar 1, 2020 12:20 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 170, Issue 2

On the C 34, I thought we got to 496 . . . . . Just did not make it to the 
500 . . . . . 
I counted over 7,000 boats out there of my design, but never got a good number 
of Harpoons or Windsurfers . . . . . 
And then there are a bunch once Tartan took over . . . . . 



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Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

I guess you could paint the vertical flat surfaces white and leave the trim 
natural.  Isn't that the Herreshoff style for a boat interior?  Our boat's 
panels are plywood so the teak wood is a veneer, not solid.  The trim is solid. 

I've been successful removing stains from wood by gentle scrubbing with 
Pinesol, light sanding well past the stain and then re-oiling using Watkins 
Teak Oil.  The pinesol pulls out some of the oil so wetsanding with a 220 and 
pinesol might work better.  Or try hot water and a very soft brush to pull the 
stain out.  Or google, "remove stain from wood".  There are many tricks from 
furniture guys out there.  



Chuck 

> On February 29, 2020 at 6:36 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your perspectives.
> 
> I admit that I had not considered that freshening up the boat as I 
> planned would diminish the value--given the sorry state of the water stained 
> teak my thought was that it would increase the value!
> 
> My thoughts were that something needs done with the current teak in the 
> boat--especially the main cabin where the water stains are--and that in order 
> to do the teak with varnish, the stains and the teak really need cleaned 
> up--far beyond just doing interior varnishing over a previously varnished 
> teak. My teak was never varnished, only left natural with very occasional oil 
> rubbed on--maybe twice in 25 years. 
> 
> Given the stains, my guess is that cleaning them up for varnish 
> application would likely double the cost of the refresh since the surface 
> prep would be extensive and then there are multiple varnish coats to be 
> addressed. After likely 5+ boat bucks, I am left with a likely very pretty, 
> shiny AND dark teak interior. I have not been to any boat shows lately, but 
> all the ads for boats show pictures with light, airy, bright interiors. I 
> think that might make my 1995 model look more like a 2015 or 2020 model boat 
> down below, as opposed to a 1985, 1975 or even older boat. Of course, I could 
> be totally wrong in this since I have only sold ONE boat in my life!
> 
> Painting the faces of the teak doors (both cabin and storage), drawers, 
> etc. and leaving the remaining teak alone appears to me to keep the cost 
> reasonable AND add substantial brightness to the cabin. BTW, my head was 
> finished by the factory in a similar manner--almost all the surfaces are 
> off-white (Formica or painted wood--not sure)--only the cabinet handles and 
> trim are teak and it still looks great.
> 
> I am faced with trade-offs of cost vs. change in value (+ or -). I doubt 
> that any varnish or paint job will add or subtract substantially to the boat 
> value at sale time--its more a matter of 
> "...the lesser of two weevils..." to copy from Patrick O'Bryan. If I am 
> right or even close to it, I need to get the best refresh for the money and 
> to me that seems like paint vs. varnish--although I still cringe a little 
> when I think of painting over mostly solid, is seriously stained, teak!
> 
> FWIW,
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
> New Bern, NC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: David Risch via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: David Risch 
> Sent: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 4:51 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting
> 
> Charlie,
> 
> On my 1981 40 I painted part of my head and the countertops of the 
> galley.  They were, of all things, teak.
> 
> I would not, however, go to the extreme you speak of unless you are 
> keeping it forever...to Neals point.
> 
> Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.
> 
> 
> -
> From: CnC-List  on behalf of Neil E. 
> Andersen via CnC-List 
> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 2:02:50 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Neil E. Andersen 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting
>  
> Charlie,
>  
> Good luck, just realize that your boat value will be diminished.
>  
> Neil
> 1982 C 32 FoxFire
> Rock Hall, MD
>  
> Yacht Broker
>  
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Charlie 
> Nelson via CnC-List
> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:24 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: cenel...@aol.com
> Subject: Stus-List Interior teak painting
>  
> Thanks to all who responded to my email regarding my interior teak water 
> stains. It certainly would be a big job to remove them and then I would need 
> to redo all the interior teak with a varnish, etc. 
>  
> The result would be spectacular (probably) but in the end I would have a 
> pretty dark (but shiny!) cabin and be many boat bucks/hours poorer.
>  
> Thus I have decided to go with painting most of the interior teak and 
> just leaving the teak 'trim' pieces in their original condition (or doing 
> them with Epiphanes), including the the louvers in 

Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Charlie,

I don't believe you are crazy for wanting to paint over some teak 
panelling. I've done similar recoats to brighten up a small space.


However, I highly recommend that you apply a slightly thinned coat of 
"varnish" first, as a primer. Thus if you or someone wants to change 
back to teak finish later it is easy to strip and you won't have 
paint bits filling in the pores of the wood (almost impossible to get 
out without damaging the panel).


Cheers, Russ

Oh, and BTW gentlemen, please strip the excess off of messages before 
replying.
As a special courtesy to Stu, give it a bit o' thought to 
housekeeping before posting.



What a nag eh.



At 03:36 PM 2/29/2020, you wrote:



Thanks for your perspectives.

I admit that I had not considered that freshening up the boat as I 
planned would diminish the value--given the sorry state of the water 
stained teak my thought was that it would increase the value!


My thoughts were that something needs done with the current teak in 
the boat--especially the main cabin where the water stains are--and 
that in order to do the teak with varnish, the stains and the teak 
really need cleaned up--far beyond just doing interior varnishing 
over a previously varnished teak. My teak was never varnished, only 
left natural with very occasional oil rubbed on--maybe twice in 25 years.


Given the stains, my guess is that cleaning them up for varnish 
application would likely double the cost of the refresh since the 
surface prep would be extensive and then there are multiple varnish 
coats to be addressed. After likely 5+ boat bucks, I am left with a 
likely very pretty, shiny AND dark teak interior. I have not been to 
any boat shows lately, but all the ads for boats show pictures with 
light, airy, bright interiors. I think that might make my 1995 model 
look more like a 2015 or 2020 model boat down below, as opposed to a 
1985, 1975 or even older boat. Of course, I could be totally wrong 
in this since I have only sold ONE boat in my life!


Painting the faces of the teak doors (both cabin and storage), 
drawers, etc. and leaving the remaining teak alone appears to me to 
keep the cost reasonable AND add substantial brightness to the 
cabin. BTW, my head was finished by the factory in a similar 
manner--almost all the surfaces are off-white (Formica or painted 
wood--not sure)--only the cabinet handles and trim are teak and it 
still looks great.


I am faced with trade-offs of cost vs. change in value (+ or -). I 
doubt that any varnish or paint job will add or subtract 
substantially to the boat value at sale time--its more a matter of
"...the lesser of two weevils..." to copy from Patrick O'Bryan. If I 
am right or even close to it, I need to get the best refresh for the 
money and to me that seems like paint vs. varnish--although I still 
cringe a little when I think of painting over mostly solid, is 
seriously stained, teak!


FWIW,

Charlie Nelson
1995 C 36 XL/kcb
New Bern, NC





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Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Joe,

I agree.  As long as someone understands the consequences, then make the boat 
your own.  Just don’t complain afterward.

Neil

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Joe Della Barba via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 10:48:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Joe Della Barba 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting


Resale value was not even a consideration when I painted the head bulkhead, so 
YMMV on that. I do like how it came out well enough to think about doing it to 
some other areas too. For the head at least it makes cleanup a lot easier.

Joe

Coquina  C 35 MK I


On 3/1/2020 5:26 AM, Neil Andersen via CnC-List wrote:
As someone who sells Yachts for a living, painting over teak would be a show 
stopper and/or a cause to cut the offer significantly.  If you are covering the 
floor you are obviously “hiding water damage” (always better to replace the 
floor with real or synthetics).   If you are painting over cabinetry you it 
looks like you are covering up a serious event that was a result of flooding.

Solid woods like on our boats can & should be sanded down and re-treated.  
There is a (once) beautiful 38 Landfall that  had such serious leaks while on 
the hard that it was raining below decks.  Nobody will touch the boat now.  
When in good shape it was selling for $75k.  It’s now collecting dirt and we 
can’t get offers for $5k for the boat.

Looking like you are trying to hide something is almost as bad as letting the 
boat just rot.

That all said, if you aren’t concerned with re-sale, do what you want to make 
the boat look good for your purposes.  Just realize the implications.  I 
replaced my floor and am sanding and re-finishing my wood where needed as time 
does take a toll and things get wet from sailing, sun, rain and crew.  It is a 
boat after all.

Neil Andersen
1982 C 32, FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD


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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 170, Issue 2

[Rob Ball via CnC-List]

On the C 34, I thought we got to 496 . . . . . Just did not make it to the 
500 . . . . . 
I counted over 7,000 boats out there of my design, but never got a good number 
of Harpoons or Windsurfers . . . . . 
And then there are a bunch once Tartan took over . . . . . 


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Re: Stus-List Number of C 41s that are still afloat?

[Glen Dickson via CnC-List]

Even Google says over 7,000 since 1969.

On 3/1/20, 11:54 AM, "CnC-List on behalf of Gary Nylander via CnC-List" 
 wrote:

I think you are way off in your numbers. Just in the 30-1 model, we have 
number 1 still around and there are numbers in the mid 600's (I have 593). So I 
think there are far more than 700 total C's ever built.

Gary

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Will Gerstmyer 
via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Will Gerstmyer 
Subject: Stus-List Number of C 41s that are still afloat?

Hi. I can find that there were 700-something C built—but no breakdown by 
model, so that includes all models. Does anybody know how many were 41’s? How 
many are still afloat? Thanks, Will

Will Gerstmyer 
978-609-1331
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Re: Stus-List Number of C 41s that are still afloat?

[Cann2do via CnC-List]

The cncphotoalbum has 21 C 41’s identified.  Ours appears to be hull number 
130, build date of May 1988.

 

Brian Cann

Stalwart – C 41 WK – Sarnia & Port Huron Yacht Clubs

 

From: Richard Bush [mailto:bushma...@aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2020 8:18 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Number of C 41s that are still afloat?

 

The list compilation done last year, I have 5 entries for 41's; I am sure that 
other listers have better records than I do, so if someone has additional, let 
Will know, otherwise, Will, send me an note and I'll send you what I have on 
the 41's

 

Richard

s/v Bushmark4; 1095 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

 

 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 

Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 

502-584-7255

 

 

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 wrote:
> Hi. I can find that there were 700-something C built—but no breakdown by 
> model, so that includes all models. Does anybody know how many were 41’s? How 
> many are still afloat? Thanks, Will
>
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Re: Stus-List Number of C 41s that are still afloat?

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I think you are way off in your numbers. Just in the 30-1 model, we have number 
1 still around and there are numbers in the mid 600's (I have 593). So I think 
there are far more than 700 total C's ever built.

Gary

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CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Will Gerstmyer 
Subject: Stus-List Number of C 41s that are still afloat?

Hi. I can find that there were 700-something C built—but no breakdown by 
model, so that includes all models. Does anybody know how many were 41’s? How 
many are still afloat? Thanks, Will

Will Gerstmyer 
978-609-1331
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Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

We apply lemon oil every year to all teak interior surfaces and they look
great.  Wipe on, let sit for a while then wipe down with clean rag.  There
is a noticeable difference / improvement when the new oil is applied.
Saloon floor is gloss varnish - light sand and revarnish every 5 years or
so.  Looks great.  Exterior teak is Cetol thin coat every spring. Going on
our 21st season

 

My 2 cents American

 

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

 

 

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Risch via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2020 11:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Risch
Subject: Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting

 

An all teak head never made sense to me.  With showers and our leaving the
hatch open for air flow led us to partially paint the head's bulkheads.
Very happy with the practical and aesthetic result.  PaInting the saloon
however, is a different discussion. 

And I do believe our bulkheads are veneered so sanding through the veneer is
a distinct possibility.  Did that in few spots whilst refinishing floors.  

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you. 

 

  _  

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Joe Della Barba
via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 10:48:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Joe Della Barba 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting 

 

Resale value was not even a consideration when I painted the head bulkhead,
so YMMV on that. I do like how it came out well enough to think about doing
it to some other areas too. For the head at least it makes cleanup a lot
easier. 

Joe  

Coquina  C 35 MK I

 

On 3/1/2020 5:26 AM, Neil Andersen via CnC-List wrote:

As someone who sells Yachts for a living, painting over teak would be a show
stopper and/or a cause to cut the offer significantly.  If you are covering
the floor you are obviously "hiding water damage" (always better to replace
the floor with real or synthetics).   If you are painting over cabinetry you
it looks like you are covering up a serious event that was a result of
flooding.

 

Solid woods like on our boats can & should be sanded down and re-treated.
There is a (once) beautiful 38 Landfall that  had such serious leaks while
on the hard that it was raining below decks.  Nobody will touch the boat
now.  When in good shape it was selling for $75k.  It's now collecting dirt
and we can't get offers for $5k for the boat. 

 

Looking like you are trying to hide something is almost as bad as letting
the boat just rot.

 

That all said, if you aren't concerned with re-sale, do what you want to
make the boat look good for your purposes.  Just realize the implications.
I replaced my floor and am sanding and re-finishing my wood where needed as
time does take a toll and things get wet from sailing, sun, rain and crew.
It is a boat after all. 

 

Neil Andersen

1982 C 32, FoxFire

Rock Hall, MD

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Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting

[David Risch via CnC-List]

An all teak head never made sense to me.  With showers and our leaving the 
hatch open for air flow led us to partially paint the head's bulkheads.  Very 
happy with the practical and aesthetic result.  PaInting the saloon however, is 
a different discussion.

And I do believe our bulkheads are veneered so sanding through the veneer is a 
distinct possibility.  Did that in few spots whilst refinishing floors.

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Joe Della Barba via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 10:48:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Joe Della Barba 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting


Resale value was not even a consideration when I painted the head bulkhead, so 
YMMV on that. I do like how it came out well enough to think about doing it to 
some other areas too. For the head at least it makes cleanup a lot easier.

Joe

Coquina  C 35 MK I


On 3/1/2020 5:26 AM, Neil Andersen via CnC-List wrote:
As someone who sells Yachts for a living, painting over teak would be a show 
stopper and/or a cause to cut the offer significantly.  If you are covering the 
floor you are obviously “hiding water damage” (always better to replace the 
floor with real or synthetics).   If you are painting over cabinetry you it 
looks like you are covering up a serious event that was a result of flooding.

Solid woods like on our boats can & should be sanded down and re-treated.  
There is a (once) beautiful 38 Landfall that  had such serious leaks while on 
the hard that it was raining below decks.  Nobody will touch the boat now.  
When in good shape it was selling for $75k.  It’s now collecting dirt and we 
can’t get offers for $5k for the boat.

Looking like you are trying to hide something is almost as bad as letting the 
boat just rot.

That all said, if you aren’t concerned with re-sale, do what you want to make 
the boat look good for your purposes.  Just realize the implications.  I 
replaced my floor and am sanding and re-finishing my wood where needed as time 
does take a toll and things get wet from sailing, sun, rain and crew.  It is a 
boat after all.

Neil Andersen
1982 C 32, FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD


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Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Resale value was not even a consideration when I painted the head 
bulkhead, so YMMV on that. I do like how it came out well enough to 
think about doing it to some other areas too. For the head at least it 
makes cleanup a lot easier.


Joe

Coquina  C 35 MK I


On 3/1/2020 5:26 AM, Neil Andersen via CnC-List wrote:
As someone who sells Yachts for a living, painting over teak would be 
a show stopper and/or a cause to cut the offer significantly.  If you 
are covering the floor you are obviously “hiding water damage” (always 
better to replace the floor with real or synthetics).   If you are 
painting over cabinetry you it looks like you are covering up a 
serious event that was a result of flooding.


Solid woods like on our boats can & should be sanded down and 
re-treated.  There is a (once) beautiful 38 Landfall that  had such 
serious leaks while on the hard that it was raining below decks. 
 Nobody will touch the boat now.  When in good shape it was selling 
for $75k.  It’s now collecting dirt and we can’t get offers for $5k 
for the boat.


Looking like you are trying to hide something is almost as bad as 
letting the boat just rot.


That all said, if you aren’t concerned with re-sale, do what you want 
to make the boat look good for your purposes.  Just realize the 
implications.  I replaced my floor and am sanding and re-finishing my 
wood where needed as time does take a toll and things get wet from 
sailing, sun, rain and crew.  It is a boat after all.


Neil Andersen
1982 C 32, FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD


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Re: Stus-List Number of C 41s that are still afloat?

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 The list compilation done last year, I have 5 entries for 41's; I am sure that 
other listers have better records than I do, so if someone has additional, let 
Will know, otherwise, Will, send me an note and I'll send you what I have on 
the 41's
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4; 1095 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 

On Saturday, 29 February 2020, Will Gerstmyer via CnC-List 
 wrote:
> Hi. I can find that there were 700-something C built—but no breakdown by 
> model, so that includes all models. Does anybody know how many were 41’s? How 
> many are still afloat? Thanks, Will
>
> Will Gerstmyer
> 978-609-1331
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Re: Stus-List Number of C 41s that are still afloat?

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

Just for the 34, the production run was 4 years – 1978 to 1982.  We have one of 
the last built hull number 464.  A friend formerly had hull 002 built in 1978.  
That is almost 500 of just one model in 4 years.  Lots and lots of C’s built 
and this list alone verifies lots and lots are still going!!  Great boats

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton 
via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 9:23 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ken Heaton; Will Gerstmyer
Subject: Re: Stus-List Number of C 41s that are still afloat?

 

I'm not sure what you mean by 700 C's built. Maybe that's a typo and you 
meant 7000 ?

There were well over 7000 C's built within just the first 17 years of 
operation, and they operated for about 26 years. I'm probably underestimating 
that number as that's just off the top of my head.

Check the "History of C" on Stu's C Photo Album website.

Sailboat Data list numbers for some models of C

Ken H.

On Saturday, 29 February 2020, Will Gerstmyer via CnC-List 
 wrote:
> Hi. I can find that there were 700-something C built—but no breakdown by 
> model, so that includes all models. Does anybody know how many were 41’s? How 
> many are still afloat? Thanks, Will
>
> Will Gerstmyer
> 978-609-1331
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Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

As someone who sells Yachts for a living, painting over teak would be a show 
stopper and/or a cause to cut the offer significantly.  If you are covering the 
floor you are obviously “hiding water damage” (always better to replace the 
floor with real or synthetics).   If you are painting over cabinetry you it 
looks like you are covering up a serious event that was a result of flooding.

Solid woods like on our boats can & should be sanded down and re-treated.  
There is a (once) beautiful 38 Landfall that  had such serious leaks while on 
the hard that it was raining below decks.  Nobody will touch the boat now.  
When in good shape it was selling for $75k.  It’s now collecting dirt and we 
can’t get offers for $5k for the boat.

Looking like you are trying to hide something is almost as bad as letting the 
boat just rot.

That all said, if you aren’t concerned with re-sale, do what you want to make 
the boat look good for your purposes.  Just realize the implications.  I 
replaced my floor and am sanding and re-finishing my wood where needed as time 
does take a toll and things get wet from sailing, sun, rain and crew.  It is a 
boat after all.

Neil Andersen
1982 C 32, FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Richard Bush via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:14:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting

Charlie, get Dave Risch to send you the photos of paint job he did on his 
interior; davidrisc...@msn.com
I would do that in a heartbeat, I can't see where his value was diminished...
Richard
s/v Bushmark 4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: cenelson 
Sent: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 6:37 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting

Thanks for your perspectives.

I admit that I had not considered that freshening up the boat as I planned 
would diminish the value--given the sorry state of the water stained teak my 
thought was that it would increase the value!

My thoughts were that something needs done with the current teak in the 
boat--especially the main cabin where the water stains are--and that in order 
to do the teak with varnish, the stains and the teak really need cleaned 
up--far beyond just doing interior varnishing over a previously varnished teak. 
My teak was never varnished, only left natural with very occasional oil rubbed 
on--maybe twice in 25 years.

Given the stains, my guess is that cleaning them up for varnish application 
would likely double the cost of the refresh since the surface prep would be 
extensive and then there are multiple varnish coats to be addressed. After 
likely 5+ boat bucks, I am left with a likely very pretty, shiny AND dark teak 
interior. I have not been to any boat shows lately, but all the ads for boats 
show pictures with light, airy, bright interiors. I think that might make my 
1995 model look more like a 2015 or 2020 model boat down below, as opposed to a 
1985, 1975 or even older boat. Of course, I could be totally wrong in this 
since I have only sold ONE boat in my life!

Painting the faces of the teak doors (both cabin and storage), drawers, etc. 
and leaving the remaining teak alone appears to me to keep the cost reasonable 
AND add substantial brightness to the cabin. BTW, my head was finished by the 
factory in a similar manner--almost all the surfaces are off-white (Formica or 
painted wood--not sure)--only the cabinet handles and trim are teak and it 
still looks great.

I am faced with trade-offs of cost vs. change in value (+ or -). I doubt that 
any varnish or paint job will add or subtract substantially to the boat value 
at sale time--its more a matter of
"...the lesser of two weevils..." to copy from Patrick O'Bryan. If I am right 
or even close to it, I need to get the best refresh for the money and to me 
that seems like paint vs. varnish--although I still cringe a little when I 
think of painting over mostly solid, is seriously stained, teak!

FWIW,

Charlie Nelson
1995 C 36 XL/kcb
New Bern, NC




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From: David Risch via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: David Risch 
Sent: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 4:51 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting

Charlie,

On my 1981 40 I painted part of my head and the countertops of the galley.  
They were, of all things, teak.

I would not, however, go to the extreme you speak of unless you are keeping it 
forever...to Neals point.

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Neil E. Andersen 
via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 2:02:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Neil E. Andersen 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting

Charlie,

Good luck, just