Stus-List Re: Preventer boom placement

[Marek Dziedzic]

What he said !


 Original message 
From: Josh Muckley 
Date: 2020-10-31 12:16 (GMT-05:00)
To: Stus-List 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Preventer boom placement

Brian,

Which part?  I'm not sure a single picture would be sufficient unless I know 
the exact point on which to focus.

Josh


On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 11:11 Brian Davis 
mailto:brianwdavis...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Josh

Good stuff. Would you have a picture to share.

Brian

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 2:23 AM Josh Muckley 
mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
A preventer at the aft most end/tip of the boom works best and avoids the risk 
or breaking the boom in the middle.

Often times the preventer is rigged after the sail is set and as such now the 
end of the boom is out of reach.  At painter can/should be attached to the end 
of the boom and fitted such that it can be stowed under or to the side of the 
boom.  It's length is of little relevance as long as you can reach it with the 
boom fully out.

The actual preventer is best rigged to a bow cleat or other forward fitting.  A 
turning block allows you to run the line aft and control the tension from the 
cockpit instead of going forward.  The working end of the preventer can also be 
stored on the rail just aft of midship in anticipation of deployment.

Setting the preventer requires removing the painter from the stowage on the 
boom, removing the preventer from its stowage on the rail, and attaching them 
together.  Harden up on the line led aft to the cockpit.

Jibes require moving the preventer around the mast or having a second one 
staged on the other side.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 02:05 Peter McMinn 
mailto:petemcm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey group, I'd like to install a preventer on our 37. What's the wisdom on 
positioning the block on the boom?--
Peter McMinn
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Stus-List Re: Preventer boom placement

[Marek Dziedzic]

Many pointed out that the farther out to the end of the boom, the better. 
Strong bail attached beyond 2/3 length should work. Or a loop of a line or a 
webbing (Velcro?).

But as important is to attach the other end of the prevented. The further 
forward, the better. Generally, you want to have an angle between the boom and 
the prevented as close to 90 deg, as possible.

There was an interesting (and very tragic) incident off NZ where the boom 
prevented failed. There were more things that went wrong, but thing that was 
pointed out in the post mortem was the preventer mounting.

I'll try finding the full report.

Marek


 Original message 
From: David Risch 
Date: 2020-10-31 16:22 (GMT-05:00)
To: Stus-List 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Preventer boom placement

The real risk to breaking the boom mid mount are uncontrolled jibes and and/or 
planting the boom in the water whilst doing same.  The former can happen 
anytime..the later usually offshore.  Plan accordingly.

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: Bill Coleman 
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 12:44:32 PM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Preventer boom placement

Yes, what he said. We always used a four to one tackle, I think the same same 
one. Snapshackles on both ends,  which made it quick to attach. Only difference 
being, not attache at the end.  I used a sparcraft boom which had a nice track 
in the bottom. So, with a slide and a bail welded to it,  you could slide 
around in that track to make it go pretty much where you wanted it, then down 
to the toe rail.

Bill Coleman

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 10:40 AM Matthew 
mailto:wolf...@erie.net>> wrote:

Peter:



Although Josh and Andy do it “right,” unless you’re sailing in 
relatively heavy air (25 knots and up) I suspect it is unlikely you will break 
the boom using the existing mainsheet boom bail.  Obviously, the further out 
the better.  We use a boom vang kit as a preventer (I believe it is Schaefer -- 
http://riggingonly.com/TACKLEVANG04.htm ).  The kit is stored down below when 
not in use.  If we anticipate using it, we store it on deck near the mast.  To 
use it, we attach one end to the aft boom bail and the other end (with the cam) 
to the toe rail forward of the boom, then snug it up.  It would undoubtedly be 
better (safer) to secure it to the end of boom.  To gybe, we remove the 
preventer entirely, bring the main all the way in, gybe the main, let it back 
out, and secure the preventer on the other side.  We do not leave the preventer 
on the boom through the gybe, as it could be a lethal weapon.



I believe this method is fairly typical around here (Erie).  Perhaps Bill 
Coleman will weigh in.



Matt

C 42 Custom



From: Peter McMinn mailto:petemcm...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:05 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Preventer boom placement



Hey group, I'd like to install a preventer on our 37. What's the wisdom on 
positioning the block on the boom?--

Peter McMinn

 _/)

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Stus-List Re: Preventer boom placement

[Gary Nylander]

As an in-shore sailor (Chesapeake Bay), I don’t ever intend to dip the boom
in the water (reef and/or chicken out long before that!), so my preventer is
to take care of unintentional jibes. Mine is rigged from a bail on the boom
about ¾ back from the mast, near where I have the sheet rigged. It then goes
forward past the shrouds to a snap shackle on the rail and back to a cleat
on the side of the cabin near the bulkhead. So far, no issues, but I am not
offshore and not brave. A snap shackle on each toe rail makes it easy to
re-rig after the non-issue jibe.

 

Gary

30-1

 

From: David Risch  
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 4:22 PM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Preventer boom placement

 

The real risk to breaking the boom mid mount are uncontrolled jibes and
and/or planting the boom in the water whilst doing same.  The former can
happen anytime..the later usually offshore.  Plan accordingly.  

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you. 

 

  _  

From: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 12:44:32 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Preventer boom placement 

 

Yes, what he said. We always used a four to one tackle, I think the same
same one. Snapshackles on both ends,  which made it quick to attach. Only
difference being, not attache at the end.  I used a sparcraft boom which had
a nice track in the bottom. So, with a slide and a bail welded to it,  you
could slide around in that track to make it go pretty much where you wanted
it, then down to the toe rail.

Bill Coleman

 

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 10:40 AM Matthew mailto:wolf...@erie.net> > wrote:

Peter:

 

Although Josh and Andy do it “right,” unless you’re sailing
in relatively heavy air (25 knots and up) I suspect it is unlikely you will
break the boom using the existing mainsheet boom bail.  Obviously, the
further out the better.  We use a boom vang kit as a preventer (I believe it
is Schaefer -- http://riggingonly.com/TACKLEVANG04.htm ).  The kit is stored
down below when not in use.  If we anticipate using it, we store it on deck
near the mast.  To use it, we attach one end to the aft boom bail and the
other end (with the cam) to the toe rail forward of the boom, then snug it
up.  It would undoubtedly be better (safer) to secure it to the end of boom.
To gybe, we remove the preventer entirely, bring the main all the way in,
gybe the main, let it back out, and secure the preventer on the other side.
We do not leave the preventer on the boom through the gybe, as it could be a
lethal weapon.

 

I believe this method is fairly typical around here (Erie).  Perhaps Bill
Coleman will weigh in.

 

Matt

C 42 Custom 

 

From: Peter McMinn mailto:petemcm...@gmail.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:05 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Preventer boom placement

 

Hey group, I'd like to install a preventer on our 37. What's the wisdom on
positioning the block on the boom?-- 

Peter McMinn

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Stus-List Re: For Chuck Schaeffer

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER]

Hi Stu,

Got the email from you but not the C list.  It's been 30 minutes.

Chuck



> On 10/31/2020 3:49 PM Stu  wrote:
> 
> 
> Chuck – please let me know if you get this from the list.
> 
> Stay safe tonite everyone – Stu
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> 
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Stus-List Re: Preventer boom placement

[David Risch]

The real risk to breaking the boom mid mount are uncontrolled jibes and and/or 
planting the boom in the water whilst doing same.  The former can happen 
anytime..the later usually offshore.  Plan accordingly.

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: Bill Coleman 
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 12:44:32 PM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Preventer boom placement

Yes, what he said. We always used a four to one tackle, I think the same same 
one. Snapshackles on both ends,  which made it quick to attach. Only difference 
being, not attache at the end.  I used a sparcraft boom which had a nice track 
in the bottom. So, with a slide and a bail welded to it,  you could slide 
around in that track to make it go pretty much where you wanted it, then down 
to the toe rail.

Bill Coleman

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 10:40 AM Matthew 
mailto:wolf...@erie.net>> wrote:

Peter:



Although Josh and Andy do it “right,” unless you’re sailing in 
relatively heavy air (25 knots and up) I suspect it is unlikely you will break 
the boom using the existing mainsheet boom bail.  Obviously, the further out 
the better.  We use a boom vang kit as a preventer (I believe it is Schaefer -- 
http://riggingonly.com/TACKLEVANG04.htm ).  The kit is stored down below when 
not in use.  If we anticipate using it, we store it on deck near the mast.  To 
use it, we attach one end to the aft boom bail and the other end (with the cam) 
to the toe rail forward of the boom, then snug it up.  It would undoubtedly be 
better (safer) to secure it to the end of boom.  To gybe, we remove the 
preventer entirely, bring the main all the way in, gybe the main, let it back 
out, and secure the preventer on the other side.  We do not leave the preventer 
on the boom through the gybe, as it could be a lethal weapon.



I believe this method is fairly typical around here (Erie).  Perhaps Bill 
Coleman will weigh in.



Matt

C 42 Custom



From: Peter McMinn mailto:petemcm...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:05 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Preventer boom placement



Hey group, I'd like to install a preventer on our 37. What's the wisdom on 
positioning the block on the boom?--

Peter McMinn

 _/)

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Stus-List For Chuck Schaeffer

[Stu]

Chuck – please let me know if you get this from the list.

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Stus-List Re: Preventer boom placement

[Bill Coleman]

Yes, what he said. We always used a four to one tackle, I think the same
same one. Snapshackles on both ends,  which made it quick to attach. Only
difference being, not attache at the end.  I used a sparcraft boom which
had a nice track in the bottom. So, with a slide and a bail welded to it,
you could slide around in that track to make it go pretty much where you
wanted it, then down to the toe rail.

Bill Coleman

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 10:40 AM Matthew  wrote:

> Peter:
>
>
>
> Although Josh and Andy do it “right,” unless you’re
> sailing in relatively heavy air (25 knots and up) I suspect it is unlikely
> you will break the boom using the existing mainsheet boom bail.  Obviously,
> the further out the better.  We use a boom vang kit as a preventer (I
> believe it is Schaefer -- http://riggingonly.com/TACKLEVANG04.htm ).  The
> kit is stored down below when not in use.  If we anticipate using it, we
> store it on deck near the mast.  To use it, we attach one end to the aft
> boom bail and the other end (with the cam) to the toe rail forward of the
> boom, then snug it up.  It would undoubtedly be better (safer) to secure it
> to the end of boom.  To gybe, we remove the preventer entirely, bring the
> main all the way in, gybe the main, let it back out, and secure the
> preventer on the other side.  We do not leave the preventer on the boom
> through the gybe, as it could be a lethal weapon.
>
>
>
> I believe this method is fairly typical around here (Erie).  Perhaps Bill
> Coleman will weigh in.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
> C 42 Custom
>
>
>
> *From:* Peter McMinn 
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:05 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Preventer boom placement
>
>
>
> Hey group, I'd like to install a preventer on our 37. What's the wisdom on
> positioning the block on the boom?--
>
> Peter McMinn
>
>  _/)
>
> October is the time to show your appreciation with a small contribution to
> this list to help offset the costs. If you want to support the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Preventer boom placement

[Josh Muckley]

Brian,

Which part?  I'm not sure a single picture would be sufficient unless I
know the exact point on which to focus.

Josh


On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 11:11 Brian Davis  wrote:

> Josh
>
> Good stuff. Would you have a picture to share.
>
> Brian
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 2:23 AM Josh Muckley  wrote:
>
>> A preventer at the aft most end/tip of the boom works best and avoids the
>> risk or breaking the boom in the middle.
>>
>> Often times the preventer is rigged after the sail is set and as such now
>> the end of the boom is out of reach.  At painter can/should be attached to
>> the end of the boom and fitted such that it can be stowed under or to the
>> side of the boom.  It's length is of little relevance as long as you can
>> reach it with the boom fully out.
>>
>> The actual preventer is best rigged to a bow cleat or other forward
>> fitting.  A turning block allows you to run the line aft and control the
>> tension from the cockpit instead of going forward.  The working end of the
>> preventer can also be stored on the rail just aft of midship in
>> anticipation of deployment.
>>
>> Setting the preventer requires removing the painter from the stowage on
>> the boom, removing the preventer from its stowage on the rail, and
>> attaching them together.  Harden up on the line led aft to the cockpit.
>>
>> Jibes require moving the preventer around the mast or having a second one
>> staged on the other side.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 02:05 Peter McMinn  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey group, I'd like to install a preventer on our 37. What's the wisdom
>>> on positioning the block on the boom?--
>>> Peter McMinn
>>>
>>>  _/)
>>>
>>> October is the time to show your appreciation with a small contribution
>>> to this list to help offset the costs. If you want to support the list -
>>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>>> Thanks - Stu
>>
>> October is the time to show your appreciation with a small contribution
>> to this list to help offset the costs. If you want to support the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks - Stu
>
> October is the time to show your appreciation with a small contribution to
> this list to help offset the costs. If you want to support the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Preventer boom placement

[Josh Muckley]

I agree with Matt that breaking the boom seems relatively unlikely.  In the
past, I have also made off to the boom bail myself.  One advantage to using
a mid-boom attachment is that it facilitates keeping the preventer inside
of the jib sheets whereas an end boom arrangement will necessitate dipping
the pennant in order to lead the preventer outside the jib sheets.  If the
pennant leads to a stowage point forward of the main sheet boom bail you
would have to dip there as well.  Certainly using any preventer is better
than nothing.  But having it pre-rigged is the key since rigging it on the
fly leaves lots of opportunity for error.

I have heard that using a "stretchy" line is favorable so as to absorb
shock loads.  Triple braid dock line comes to mind.

I forgot to mention that one way to make storing the pennant easier and
quicker to deploy is to make it out of amsteel.  Thread surgical tubing up
inside the middle.  Now the act of pulling the line tight compresses the
tubing which creates an elastic resistance but retains the full strength of
the amsteel.  Whether you use a hook, eye, snap shackle, or other means of
attachment, you will have some elasticity to keep the line tight to the
boom.  Personally I like having an eye splice which can be slipped over the
horn of a cleat, though a hook or snap shackle could be used to make it off
to an existing boom bail.  You can even make the pennant the full length of
the boom and hook the eye on to one of the reefing horns at the goose neck.

I dislike hooks and snap shackles since they will inevitably chew the boom
and attachment point.


Josh




On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 10:40 Matthew  wrote:

> Peter:
>
>
>
> Although Josh and Andy do it “right,” unless you’re
> sailing in relatively heavy air (25 knots and up) I suspect it is unlikely
> you will break the boom using the existing mainsheet boom bail.  Obviously,
> the further out the better.  We use a boom vang kit as a preventer (I
> believe it is Schaefer -- http://riggingonly.com/TACKLEVANG04.htm ).  The
> kit is stored down below when not in use.  If we anticipate using it, we
> store it on deck near the mast.  To use it, we attach one end to the aft
> boom bail and the other end (with the cam) to the toe rail forward of the
> boom, then snug it up.  It would undoubtedly be better (safer) to secure it
> to the end of boom.  To gybe, we remove the preventer entirely, bring the
> main all the way in, gybe the main, let it back out, and secure the
> preventer on the other side.  We do not leave the preventer on the boom
> through the gybe, as it could be a lethal weapon.
>
>
>
> I believe this method is fairly typical around here (Erie).  Perhaps Bill
> Coleman will weigh in.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
> C 42 Custom
>
>
>
> *From:* Peter McMinn 
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:05 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Preventer boom placement
>
>
>
> Hey group, I'd like to install a preventer on our 37. What's the wisdom on
> positioning the block on the boom?--
>
> Peter McMinn
>
>  _/)
>
> October is the time to show your appreciation with a small contribution to
> this list to help offset the costs. If you want to support the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: C owners' email

[Neil Gallagher]

I've been having in interesting situation:  I don't see the first post 
from many sent to the list (including my own) but I see the responses.


That said, let's do all we can to support Stu with this effort, many 
thanks for the hard work he's put into this list for years and whatever 
we can do to help (including donations) I'm all in favor. I know there's 
been an email change and he's working on it. Thanks Stu!


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY



On 10/30/2020 4:40 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER wrote:

This is a test of the C email list.

I just checked my inbox and the most recent email from the C owners' 
list was on Sunday. Nothing in spam, so I wonder if I was knocked off 
the list somehow.  I'm not being copied, even on an email I sent to 
the list.  Stu said he saw it and several people responded, but it 
never came to me.   And it's not in spam either.


If there is something else I need to check, let me know.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute



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Stus-List Re: Preventer boom placement

[Brian Davis]

Josh

Good stuff. Would you have a picture to share.

Brian

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 2:23 AM Josh Muckley  wrote:

> A preventer at the aft most end/tip of the boom works best and avoids the
> risk or breaking the boom in the middle.
>
> Often times the preventer is rigged after the sail is set and as such now
> the end of the boom is out of reach.  At painter can/should be attached to
> the end of the boom and fitted such that it can be stowed under or to the
> side of the boom.  It's length is of little relevance as long as you can
> reach it with the boom fully out.
>
> The actual preventer is best rigged to a bow cleat or other forward
> fitting.  A turning block allows you to run the line aft and control the
> tension from the cockpit instead of going forward.  The working end of the
> preventer can also be stored on the rail just aft of midship in
> anticipation of deployment.
>
> Setting the preventer requires removing the painter from the stowage on
> the boom, removing the preventer from its stowage on the rail, and
> attaching them together.  Harden up on the line led aft to the cockpit.
>
> Jibes require moving the preventer around the mast or having a second one
> staged on the other side.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 02:05 Peter McMinn  wrote:
>
>> Hey group, I'd like to install a preventer on our 37. What's the wisdom
>> on positioning the block on the boom?--
>> Peter McMinn
>>
>>  _/)
>>
>> October is the time to show your appreciation with a small contribution
>> to this list to help offset the costs. If you want to support the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks - Stu
>
> October is the time to show your appreciation with a small contribution to
> this list to help offset the costs. If you want to support the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Before I get shamed....

[Robert Mazza]

Good advice regarding both the under deck support and the running back
stays. Both the staysail stay and the runners can be stored aft and forward
when not being used.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 5:55 PM Andrew Burton, 
wrote:

> Not a bad idea at all...if you can find a solid place to terminate and
> inner forestay. You may also want to rig running backstays opposite so the
> stay sail doesn't bend the mast too much. I have often set a staysail on
> hanks in snotty weather instead of the jib. I have also set a staysail
> under the jib when reaching...bearing in mind the old adage that the boat
> will go faster when you set a staysail, and also when you take the staysail
> down.
>
> Andy
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI
> USA 02840
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>
> phone  +401 965 5260
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 5:22 PM  wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>>
>>
>> As I am planning for long haul voyaging in my newly acquired C 43-1 I
>> am trying to plan for some modifications and enhancements to the boat.
>>
>>
>>
>> One of the most “curious” is the notion someone laid on me about
>> reconfiguring the 43-1 as a Cutter…
>>
>>
>>
>> Before you all yell at me… I don’t just straight off dismiss an idea as
>> crazy… yes the world is flat, there are plenty of UFOs, and of course
>> chicken bones when properly thrown and interpreted rightly do tell the
>> future…
>>
>>
>>
>> That being said, I would like to get the group’s thoughts on setting up a
>> 43-1 as a Cutter… I have been muddling my way through the calculations for
>> sails, mast placement and balance and so forth… and while not ideal, it
>> doesn’t necessarily crater the performance of the boat or the balance (too
>> badly), and there are some benefits to it in a long haul situation…
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone ever hear of folks talking a 43-1 and turning it in to a Cutter?
>> Is it really a stupid idea? Should I stick with Chicken Bones and not worry
>> about this at all?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have studied the back stay situation, additional rigging, center of
>> force, and other factors…
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your input… I am awaiting calls and quotes on moving her
>> overland and appreciate those that have provided some traction in that area…
>>
>>
>> JP
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Stus-List Re: Boat instrument

[Matthew]

FWIW, Garmin purchased Nexus a few years ago and sadly is phasing it out.  
Garmin can be difficult to deal with as I don’t believe Nexus support is a 
priority.  If you find the right person (which requires some effort), Garmin 
does provide some technical support, such as a great replacement program for 
damaged wind transducers.

 

I’m still a fan of my Nexus II instruments for wind/speed/depth/compass and 
related functions (VMG, true wind, etc.), although they do not do 
chartplotting. 

 

From: Bill Coleman  
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 7:42 PM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boat instrument

 

You just hit on one of my pet peeves .Garmin does seem to have this in a lot of 
their instruments, but Raymarine, B, and Simrad are in the dark . Literally. 
What drives me crazy, is that for a few bucks, they could incorporate night 
mode, or light intensity adjustment. One of the worst aspects, is that when you 
turn your display down in the evening, and turn it on the next morning, you 
can't see a darn thing. It is so avoidable.

Bill Coleman

Erie

 

On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 7:30 PM schiller mailto:schil...@bloomingdalecom.net> > wrote:

I have always been partial to Garmin chartplotters and Raymarine 
wind/speed/depth.  We have them all talking through the Seatalk ng network.

We had an interesting experience with Glenn Gambel's C 36 going over to 
Milwaukee for the Queens cup in 2018 with his new Raymarine chartplotter.  As 
it got dark no one noticed how high the intensity of the display was until we 
came up on an ore freighter.  Glenn was at the helm and as he tried to go heads 
out to locate the freighter he was night blinded by the display and became 
disoriented enough that we made two complete circles in front of this 
freighter.  Glenn finally asked for someone else to take the helm and I took 
over and just straightened out the wheel until we regained some awareness of 
where we were.  It seemed the display went from manageable to blinding almost 
instantaneously.  My Garmin's have always gone into night mode at sundown and 
now I appreciate that.  We did finally get the intensity down to non-blinding.  
The freighter shined us with his spot just to see if we were having issues.  He 
had to be wondering what the hell we were doing.

Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC 

On 10/30/2020 10:42 AM, David Knecht wrote:

I have had B and Raymarine chart plotters and they both have advantages and 
disadvantages, so no clear winner for me.  I found the Raymarine a bit more 
intuitive, but you get used to the idiosynchracies of either types as you use 
them.  The one thing I have found really important is if you get a touchscreen 
model, make sure it also has backup buttons and knobs for control.  I have 
periodically had my touchscreen refuse to respond to touch input, but I can use 
the buttons/knobs to make it work when that happens.  Some models only work 
through the touchscreen.   Dave 

 

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT

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Stus-List Re: List Updates

[Matthew]

FWIW, I’m using Microsoft Outlook on a Windows 10 computer.  I experienced 
issues a couple weeks ago, but it seems to be working fine now.

 

From: Stu  
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:08 AM
To: C Email List 
Subject: Stus-List List Updates

 

Good morning everyone

 

It looks like we are slowly getting rid of the problems associated with the new 
email programs.  But there are still glitches that are being worked on. 

 

Most of the problems encountered now appear to be individual and associated 
with the mail program people are using.  Each mail program is different, they 
all use different spam filters and and spam databases and have different 
methods for filtering emails into separate folders.

 

Myself, I have experimented with a bunch including those provided by Microsoft, 
my hosting companies and freebies like gMail and Mail.com.  Right now, all seem 
to be working okay but that could change anytime.

 

My suggestion to everyone experiencing troubles is to sign up for a free 
account like gMail and use it only for this list.  It might sound like a pain 
in the butt, but it should clear up some of your problems.

 

If you are still having problems or concerns about the list, please send me a 
personal email (s...@cncphotoalbum.com  ) and I 
will address each of them.

 

Happy Halloween – Stay safe

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Stus-List Re: Preventer boom placement

[Matthew]

Peter:

 

Although Josh and Andy do it “right,” unless you’re sailing in 
relatively heavy air (25 knots and up) I suspect it is unlikely you will break 
the boom using the existing mainsheet boom bail.  Obviously, the further out 
the better.  We use a boom vang kit as a preventer (I believe it is Schaefer -- 
http://riggingonly.com/TACKLEVANG04.htm ).  The kit is stored down below when 
not in use.  If we anticipate using it, we store it on deck near the mast.  To 
use it, we attach one end to the aft boom bail and the other end (with the cam) 
to the toe rail forward of the boom, then snug it up.  It would undoubtedly be 
better (safer) to secure it to the end of boom.  To gybe, we remove the 
preventer entirely, bring the main all the way in, gybe the main, let it back 
out, and secure the preventer on the other side.  We do not leave the preventer 
on the boom through the gybe, as it could be a lethal weapon.

 

I believe this method is fairly typical around here (Erie).  Perhaps Bill 
Coleman will weigh in.

 

Matt

C 42 Custom 

 

From: Peter McMinn  
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:05 AM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: Stus-List Preventer boom placement

 

Hey group, I'd like to install a preventer on our 37. What's the wisdom on 
positioning the block on the boom?-- 

Peter McMinn

 _/)

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Stus-List List Updates

[Stu]

Good morning everyone

It looks like we are slowly getting rid of the problems associated with the new 
email programs.  But there are still glitches that are being worked on. 

Most of the problems encountered now appear to be individual and associated 
with the mail program people are using.  Each mail program is different, they 
all use different spam filters and and spam databases and have different 
methods for filtering emails into separate folders.

Myself, I have experimented with a bunch including those provided by Microsoft, 
my hosting companies and freebies like gMail and Mail.com.  Right now, all seem 
to be working okay but that could change anytime.

My suggestion to everyone experiencing troubles is to sign up for a free 
account like gMail and use it only for this list.  It might sound like a pain 
in the butt, but it should clear up some of your problems.

If you are still having problems or concerns about the list, please send me a 
personal email (s...@cncphotoalbum.com) and I will address each of them.

Happy Halloween – Stay safe
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Stus-List Re: Preventer boom placement

[Andrew Burton]

Josh describes exactly the way I do it. On my boat, the part along the boom
is 3/8" Dyneema.

Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/

phone  +401 965 5260


On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 2:23 AM Josh Muckley  wrote:

> A preventer at the aft most end/tip of the boom works best and avoids the
> risk or breaking the boom in the middle.
>
> Often times the preventer is rigged after the sail is set and as such now
> the end of the boom is out of reach.  At painter can/should be attached to
> the end of the boom and fitted such that it can be stowed under or to the
> side of the boom.  It's length is of little relevance as long as you can
> reach it with the boom fully out.
>
> The actual preventer is best rigged to a bow cleat or other forward
> fitting.  A turning block allows you to run the line aft and control the
> tension from the cockpit instead of going forward.  The working end of the
> preventer can also be stored on the rail just aft of midship in
> anticipation of deployment.
>
> Setting the preventer requires removing the painter from the stowage on
> the boom, removing the preventer from its stowage on the rail, and
> attaching them together.  Harden up on the line led aft to the cockpit.
>
> Jibes require moving the preventer around the mast or having a second one
> staged on the other side.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 02:05 Peter McMinn  wrote:
>
>> Hey group, I'd like to install a preventer on our 37. What's the wisdom
>> on positioning the block on the boom?--
>> Peter McMinn
>>
>>  _/)
>>
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Stus-List Re: Preventer boom placement

[Josh Muckley]

A preventer at the aft most end/tip of the boom works best and avoids the
risk or breaking the boom in the middle.

Often times the preventer is rigged after the sail is set and as such now
the end of the boom is out of reach.  At painter can/should be attached to
the end of the boom and fitted such that it can be stowed under or to the
side of the boom.  It's length is of little relevance as long as you can
reach it with the boom fully out.

The actual preventer is best rigged to a bow cleat or other forward
fitting.  A turning block allows you to run the line aft and control the
tension from the cockpit instead of going forward.  The working end of the
preventer can also be stored on the rail just aft of midship in
anticipation of deployment.

Setting the preventer requires removing the painter from the stowage on the
boom, removing the preventer from its stowage on the rail, and attaching
them together.  Harden up on the line led aft to the cockpit.

Jibes require moving the preventer around the mast or having a second one
staged on the other side.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 02:05 Peter McMinn  wrote:

> Hey group, I'd like to install a preventer on our 37. What's the wisdom on
> positioning the block on the boom?--
> Peter McMinn
>
>  _/)
>
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Stus-List Preventer boom placement

[Peter McMinn]

Hey group, I'd like to install a preventer on our 37. What's the wisdom on
positioning the block on the boom?--
Peter McMinn

 _/)
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