Stus-List Re: bottom wash

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

 Excellent analogy.  I did that once and when I got around to blasting it off, 
I ended up sanding the entire hull.  When done immediately, it just peels off; 
if you have decent bottom paint.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL

On Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 07:31:27 PM CDT, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 
Think abouteating a bowl of oatmeal, leave the bowl on the counter  for a 
couple weeks, vsput it in the sink with water, and clean a few hours later.
 
So yeah, Youwant to get to this muy pronto.
 
  
 
  
 
Bill Coleman
 
Entrada, Erie, PA
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
From: G Gao via CnC-List[mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 4:33 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: G Gao
Subject: Stus-List bottom wash
 
  
 
Hi,
 
  
 
Again a simple question that I have for experienced sailors.
 
  
 
In the past I have had the marina to "bottom wash"my boat when they do the haul 
out. This year I wanted to do it myself (want tosave myself a few bucks), 
however this is not going to be at the time of haulout, but a couple weeks 
later. Is the two weeks delay a problem?
 
  
 


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Stus-List Re: bottom wash

[colin binkley via CnC-List]

Yes


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On Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 11:41 PM, G Gao via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi,
Again a simple question that I have for experienced sailors.
In the past I have had the marina to "bottom wash" my boat when they do the 
haul out. This year I wanted to do it myself (want to save myself a few bucks), 
however this is not going to be at the time of haul out, but a couple weeks 
later. Is the two weeks delay a problem?
Thank you in advance.
Bo

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Stus-List Re: parting out 1972 C frigate

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

When and where can I get the strut

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 10:08 AM colin binkley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yes  Andrew!!  That would be very kind of you. No rushwinter fast
> approaching.
> colinbink...@yahoo.com would be best for photos.
>   Perhaps you could lay a tape measure beside it for photos when you get
> to it.
>   I really appreciate the offer!
> Fair Winds, Colin
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 7:36 AM, andrew macLean via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Do you have any photos that you could link to?
>
> Does your boat have a roller furling boom? I’ve been hunting for the winch
> handle for a C roller furling boom of this era.
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>
> On Sep 27, 2021, at 9:45 am, Jim Lockhart via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hello
> I am parting out my 1972 C 36 Frigate. Curious if you can offer any
> guidance or suggestions best way to do through your group?
>
> Boat is in Ontario Canada!
> Alum Deck stepped Mast with all standing rigging.
> Boom and Spin pole
> Harken RF for 36 ft vessel
> All sails two mains, two jibs (one RF, second hank on)  one genny
> Lead keel 4000lbs
> Barlow winches (2- 26,2- 24, 1- 16) all in good working order.
> Edison Cable pedestal steering with binnacle compass
> Steel Rudder
> Plus all rigging and blocks.
>
> Appreciate your feedback.
>
>
> CHEERS
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Stus-List Re: bottom wash

[Mike Macdonald via CnC-List]

I did mine in the spring and no problem. That being said it is a hard finish 
bottomkote racing bronze. Would be the same withVC17. Not sure about a soft 
bottom paint

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> On Sep 28, 2021, at 6:10 PM, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
>  Many marinas do not allow owners to perform this work.  
> 
> Get Outlook for Android
> From: G Gao via CnC-List 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 1:33:14 PM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: G Gao 
> Subject: Stus-List bottom wash
>  
> Hi,
> 
> Again a simple question that I have for experienced sailors.
> 
> In the past I have had the marina to "bottom wash" my boat when they do the 
> haul out. This year I wanted to do it myself (want to save myself a few 
> bucks), however this is not going to be at the time of haul out, but a couple 
> weeks later. Is the two weeks delay a problem?
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> Bo
> 
> 
> -- 
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Stus-List Re: Prepping for overland transport

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

I’m with Gary, why truck?

Neil Andersen
1982 C, FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 8:01:36 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Gary Nylander 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Prepping for overland transport


Why are you not thinking about just motoring it down the Potomac and around to 
Solomons? It could be an adventure and avoid the hassles. Is the mast still up? 
Could you find a yard in Solomons who would do the work? Just asking. To me 
(with a 30-1) putting it on a truck for 100 miles seems not right.



Gary

St. Michaels MD



From: Stephen Kidd via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 9:32 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stephen Kidd 
Subject: Stus-List Prepping for overland transport



Hi all,



The excellent advise a couple weeks ago on replacing standing rigging led us 
down a rabbit hole. Long story short, we are now getting ready to have our 25, 
Sweet Chariot, moved from Washington DC to Solomons MD on the Chesapeake. A 
much longer drive, but better sailing and boat yard options.



We've never had her moved by trailer, and I'm curious what we should expect of 
the hauler. One says we should have the boat fully prepped with mast secured to 
deck. Another said they prefer to do it all themselves (which I also prefer).



Any tips for getting her ready for a road trip or dealing with boat haulers? 
We've checked with a few people in the area, but any recommendations would be 
appreciated as well!



Thanks!

Stephen



Just asking
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Stus-List Re: Prepping for overland transport

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Why are you not thinking about just motoring it down the Potomac and around to 
Solomons? It could be an adventure and avoid the hassles. Is the mast still up? 
Could you find a yard in Solomons who would do the work? Just asking. To me 
(with a 30-1) putting it on a truck for 100 miles seems not right.

 

Gary

St. Michaels MD

 

From: Stephen Kidd via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 9:32 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stephen Kidd 
Subject: Stus-List Prepping for overland transport

 

Hi all,

 

The excellent advise a couple weeks ago on replacing standing rigging led us 
down a rabbit hole. Long story short, we are now getting ready to have our 25, 
Sweet Chariot, moved from Washington DC to Solomons MD on the Chesapeake. A 
much longer drive, but better sailing and boat yard options.

 

We've never had her moved by trailer, and I'm curious what we should expect of 
the hauler. One says we should have the boat fully prepped with mast secured to 
deck. Another said they prefer to do it all themselves (which I also prefer). 

 

Any tips for getting her ready for a road trip or dealing with boat haulers? 
We've checked with a few people in the area, but any recommendations would be 
appreciated as well!

 

Thanks!

Stephen

 

Just asking

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Stus-List Re: SV or S.V. or S/V?

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I have used SV for sailboats and MV for motor vessels for decades without 
criticism.

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From: Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 12:04:01 PM
To: Dreuge 
Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com ; Randal Stafford 

Subject: Stus-List Re: SV or S.V. or S/V?

Having myself consulted that great font of knowledge - the Internet - I 
understand the SV/SY distinction to be cultural or regional.  But, given my 
region and citizenship, and the country in which my boat is registered, I’d 
hoped to limit the scope of this debate to just the Sailing Vessel designation 
(which is used as a “Type of ship" in the USCG’s AIS encoding guide: 
https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/AIS/AISGuide.pdf
 - numeric code 36).

To me, from a logical perspective, the slash in S/V doesn’t make any sense.  
It’s an acronym for Sailing Vessel, not Sailing/Vessel, so why put a slash in 
it?  I could understand SV or S.V. much more readily.

But on the other hand, if there’s some kind of longstanding tradition that 
makes S/V the most proper stylization, then I guess I could comply with 
tradition instead of logic.

And, to be fair, I shouldn’t have excluded lowercase s/v as a possible 
stylization, because I’ve seen it used too.  But to me that’s even less logical 
than S/V.

Cheers,
Randy

On Sep 27, 2021, at 11:54 AM, Dreuge 
mailto:dre...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I’ll take the bait and add some.  If you want to split the list along the 49th 
parallel then add SY (or S/Y) to the mix of discussion.

I don’t think there is proper stylization.But if you go to the definitive 
source of all true facts, i.e. the Internet, you will see SV or S/V but not 
S.V. (and also SY or S/Y).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_prefix




-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

On Sep 27, 2021, at 1:09 PM, Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

warning: religious debate

I’m interested to know the proper (in the US) stylization of the acronym for 
Sailing Vessel.  Is it SV, S.V., or S/V?

Thanks in advance for your replies; I’ll go get some popcorn.

Cheers,
Randy
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Stus-List Re: bottom wash

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

I guess it depends on location, paint condition, but mostly quality of bottom 
paint.  Sometimes the oatmeal dries and nicely flacks off.  

I use a multi-season ablative Pettit Ultima SR-60.  It costs about $300 a 
gallon but it is a real performer in the FL Gulf area.  When I last hauled out 
Dec 2017, the bottom paint from Sep 2014 was in pretty good shape.  There was 
only a few barnacles along the waterline, but the what was green bottom, was 
covered with a black slim.  It was late in the day, and the marina was in a 
rush to get the boat placed in the blocks, so I opted to skip the pressure 
washing.  It was several days before I started working on the bottom, and to my 
surprise, the black slim had dried and lifted from the hull.  I removed it 
easily with a stiff brush, revealing green bottom paint below.   I sanded the 
whole bottom with 80 grit on an orbital sander, rinsed off the hull, and the 
next day applied the 1st of 2 coats of the same bottom paint.  The boat has now 
been in the water for nearly 4 years and still looks pretty good.  Again, I 
have the black slim, some barnacle growth along the waterline, which I clean 
about every 3 months.  It looks like I get another year or hopefully two.   But 
when I do haul out, I will not be pressuring washing.Not all is good.  I do 
have a real problem with hard barnacle and oyster growth on the prop, shaft, 
and transducers.  I tried many of the props paints, lastly being Velox Plus, 
but nothing seems to last over a year.  Open for suggestions.  I may break down 
for some propspeed next time.  



-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Sep 28, 2021, at 4:53 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Think about eating a bowl of oatmeal, leave the bowl on the counter  for a 
> couple weeks, vs put it in the sink with water, and clean a few hours later.
> So yeah, You want to get to this muy pronto.
>  
>  
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>  
>  
>  
> From: G Gao via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> ] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 4:33 PM
> To: Stus-List
> Cc: G Gao
> Subject: Stus-List bottom wash
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Again a simple question that I have for experienced sailors.
>  
> In the past I have had the marina to "bottom wash" my boat when they do the 
> haul out. This year I wanted to do it myself (want to save myself a few 
> bucks), however this is not going to be at the time of haul out, but a couple 
> weeks later. Is the two weeks delay a problem?
>  
> Thank you in advance.
>  
> Bo
> 
>  
> -- 
> 1974 C 35 MK2
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Stus-List Re: bottom wash

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Many marinas do not allow owners to perform this work.

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From: G Gao via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 1:33:14 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: G Gao 
Subject: Stus-List bottom wash

Hi,

Again a simple question that I have for experienced sailors.

In the past I have had the marina to "bottom wash" my boat when they do the 
haul out. This year I wanted to do it myself (want to save myself a few bucks), 
however this is not going to be at the time of haul out, but a couple weeks 
later. Is the two weeks delay a problem?

Thank you in advance.

Bo


--
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Stus-List Re: bottom wash

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

Another factor is hazardous waste.  Along with the cleaning, some paint does 
slough off.  Most yards have a specific area to clean bottom with a collection 
system.  They also prohibit cleaning of bottom anywhere else

 

 

John

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

 

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 4:54 PM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: Bill Coleman
Subject: Stus-List Re: bottom wash

 

Think about eating a bowl of oatmeal, leave the bowl on the counter  for a 
couple weeks, vs put it in the sink with water, and clean a few hours later.

So yeah, You want to get to this muy pronto.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: G Gao via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 4:33 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: G Gao
Subject: Stus-List bottom wash

 

Hi,

 

Again a simple question that I have for experienced sailors.

 

In the past I have had the marina to "bottom wash" my boat when they do the 
haul out. This year I wanted to do it myself (want to save myself a few bucks), 
however this is not going to be at the time of haul out, but a couple weeks 
later. Is the two weeks delay a problem?

 

Thank you in advance.

 

Bo




 

-- 

1974 C 35 MK2

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Stus-List Re: bottom wash

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Here on Lake Ontario it is much easier to pressure wash the boat while the 
algae is wet. It is much more difficult and requires better equipment once it 
has dried on.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2021, at 4:33 PM, G Gao via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Again a simple question that I have for experienced sailors.
> 
> In the past I have had the marina to "bottom wash" my boat when they do the 
> haul out. This year I wanted to do it myself (want to save myself a few 
> bucks), however this is not going to be at the time of haul out, but a couple 
> weeks later. Is the two weeks delay a problem?
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> Bo
> 
> 
> -- 
> 1974 C 35 MK2
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Stus-List Re: bottom wash

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Think about eating a bowl of oatmeal, leave the bowl on the counter  for a 
couple weeks, vs put it in the sink with water, and clean a few hours later.

So yeah, You want to get to this muy pronto.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: G Gao via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 4:33 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: G Gao
Subject: Stus-List bottom wash

 

Hi,

 

Again a simple question that I have for experienced sailors.

 

In the past I have had the marina to "bottom wash" my boat when they do the 
haul out. This year I wanted to do it myself (want to save myself a few bucks), 
however this is not going to be at the time of haul out, but a couple weeks 
later. Is the two weeks delay a problem?

 

Thank you in advance.

 

Bo




 

-- 

1974 C 35 MK2

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Stus-List bottom wash

[G Gao via CnC-List]

Hi,

Again a simple question that I have for experienced sailors.

In the past I have had the marina to "bottom wash" my boat when they do the
haul out. This year I wanted to do it myself (want to save myself a few
bucks), however this is not going to be at the time of haul out, but a
couple weeks later. Is the two weeks delay a problem?

Thank you in advance.

Bo


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Stus-List Re: Prepping for overland transport

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

With such a short haul, I don't know if this 
would be worth the effort.  But when we brought 
Alera from Niagara on the Lake to Seattle, Rob 
MacLachlan,  of South Shore Yachts who 
de-commissioned her for transport, suggested we 
cover the hull with a layer ofJoy dish soap.  We 
did and when she got here we washed it off and it 
took the road grit and salt with it.


At 06:32 AM 9/28/2021, you wrote:

Hi all,

The excellent advise a couple weeks ago on 
replacing standing rigging led us down a rabbit 
hole. Long story short, we are now getting ready 
to have our 25, Sweet Chariot, moved from 
Washington DC to Solomons MD on the Chesapeake. 
A much longer drive, but better sailing and boat yard options.


We've never had her moved by trailer, and I'm 
curious what we should expect of the hauler. One 
says we should have the boat fully prepped with 
mast secured to deck. Another said they prefer 
to do it all themselves (which I also prefer).Â


Any tips for getting her ready for a road trip 
or dealing with boat haulers? We've checked with 
a few people in the area, but any recommendations would be appreciated as well!


Thanks!
Stephen


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Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


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Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

I guess my Racor filter must be installed lower than the pickup line for
fuel in the tank because if I don’t close the valve in the line from the
tank fuel flow is continuous when I change the Racor filter element. My
facet electric fuel pump is mounted higher and a couple feet aft of my
Racor filter

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 2:47 PM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Update on fuel issues: I spent a few hours more on the fuel system last
> weekend and things seem to be working, but unfortunately I am not sure what
> fixed it or even if it is fixed.  I replaced several more fuel lines and
> removed the vacuum gauge I had installed between the tank and the Racor
> just to simplify the possible vacuum leak points.  All the hoses looked
> good, but apparently you can’t always tell.  With the hose end heated in
> hot water trick, I was able to get the new hose on, but it was still a real
> battle in tight places.  The fittings were variable in size and style and
> some were really challenging.  After completing the connections, I turned
> on the fuel pump, expecting it to pull fuel from the tank and fill the
> Racor bowl.  It did not.  So I opened the Racor bowl, filled it and tested
> again, and the bowl stayed full.  I pulled the fuel level sensor so I could
> see inside the tank, and I could see fuel coming out of the return tube
> from the engine.  That told me I was in fact pumping fuel.  I then ran the
> engine for 30 min and all seemed well.
> I am hoping it is fixed but it is frustrating that I don’t know what was
> wrong.  Apparently, my “does the pump fill the bowl" test was not the
> correct way to assess function.  Is it possible that when the pump is full
> of air it can’t pull enough vacuum to feed the Racor?  Also, given that the
> original problem occurred twice a week apart, with it working fine for
> hours in between has me worried it will occur again.  Intermittent problems
> are the worst!  Fingers crossed.
>  I plan to replace the Racor with a newer model with a gauge built into
> the lid before next season.  I found new filters for my 200 Turbine series,
> but it seems they are getting harder to locate.  Probably not going to run
> out in my sailing lifetime, but the newer Racors seem a decent upgrade.
> Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2021, at 3:36 PM, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> When installing a hose to nipple fitting i recomnend using a hair dryer to
> warm the hose and liquid dish soap to lube the nipple barb.
>
> Get Outlook for Android 
> --
> *From:* cenelson via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2021 3:09:10 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* cenelson 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Fuel pump
>
> Had a similar problem to yours several years ago. After doing most of what
> you have done, my diesel mechanic suggested just replacing the Racor MA
> 500(?) top plate since even a little over tightening can push the middle
> down enough that the O-ring on the circumference will leak enough that
> after running for a while the air inside it gets into the fuel lines.
>
> This was a cheap enough thing to do that I did it—along with a few other
> ‘fixes’ and the problem went away.
>
> Since it was not the only change I made, I can’t be certain that the new
> top plate solved the problem or if it was something else.
>
> Note I am pretty sure that the instructions for the Racor say to only hand
> tighten this plate or something similar—I now know why!
>
> Given how little extra tightening it would take at the Center to deflect
> the circumference/O-ring joint enough to suck air in, (probably a few
> microns could break the vacuum seal) and over time you have air bubbles
> that get to the engine or at least prevent fuel from getting to the engine.
>
> FWIW,
>
> Charlie Nelson
>
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> 
>
> On Thursday, September 23, 2021, 12:36 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I meant bypass the Racor, turn on the pump and collect fuel into a
> secondary container to test.  I agree that I would not run the engine that
> way.  I am presuming that the flow of fuel through the filter should be a
> good test of the system since the problem was I was getting air into the
> primary Racor holder, so a vacuum leak likely somewhere.  Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
> 
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Neil Andersen 
> wrote:
>
> I would think that risky.  If the Racor is the issue because it is 

Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

It was a clogged filter. 

Maybe you should try the check valve Racor suggests, it could be you are losing 
your prime.  It could also be that Monel tank, I think you should give that to 
me and get yourself a nice plastic tank.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Matthew via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 8:47 AM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: Matthew
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

 

Is your friend certain of the cause?  My Westerbeke also does not like to start 
after bouncing around in the big waves (especially following a knock-down).  My 
diesel mechanic (Andy H) has been thinking about the cause for years.  It is 
not a clogged filter problem in our case.  Fortunately, I have always been able 
to get it started, but it takes a lot of turning over.  Good thing I have 
sufficient battery reserve.

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 5:44 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

 

This is the second boat I have sprung for that double Racor.

A friend of mine finished up a race in Buffalo  with a 30Kt West wind and his 
engine wouldn’t start.  He had a hell of a time getting in  out of the waves 
without something bad happening. After hearing his story,  (Clogged filter, of 
course)  I thought, I don’t want that to happen to me – and I replaced mine. 
Engine starts to stutter, check the gauge, and flip the handle to the clean 
filter and keep on going.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

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Stus-List Re: parting out 1972 C frigate

[colin binkley via CnC-List]

Thank you very much Andrew.. Kind of you. colinbink...@yahoo.com for photos 
when you have a chance.   No rush. Winter fast approaching me. Fair Winds, Colin


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On Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 10:08 AM, colin binkley 
 wrote:

Yes  Andrew!!  That would be very kind of you. No rushwinter fast 
approaching. colinbink...@yahoo.com would be best for photos.   Perhaps you 
could lay a tape measure beside it for photos when you get to it.   I really 
appreciate the offer!Fair Winds, Colin


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On Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 7:36 AM, andrew macLean via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Jim, 
Do you have any photos that you could link to?
Does your boat have a roller furling boom? I’ve been hunting for the winch 
handle for a C roller furling boom of this era.
Thanks,Andrew


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and Spin poleHarken RF for 36 ft vesselAll sails two mains, two jibs (one RF, 
second hank on)  one gennyLead keel 4000lbsBarlow winches (2- 26,2- 24, 1- 16) 
all in good working order.Edison Cable pedestal steering with binnacle 
compassSteel RudderPlus all rigging and blocks. 
Appreciate your feedback. 
 
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Stus-List Re: parting out 1972 C frigate

[colin binkley via CnC-List]

Yes  Andrew!!  That would be very kind of you. No rushwinter fast 
approaching. colinbink...@yahoo.com would be best for photos.   Perhaps you 
could lay a tape measure beside it for photos when you get to it.   I really 
appreciate the offer!Fair Winds, Colin


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 7:36 AM, andrew macLean via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Jim, 
Do you have any photos that you could link to?
Does your boat have a roller furling boom? I’ve been hunting for the winch 
handle for a C roller furling boom of this era.
Thanks,Andrew


On Sep 27, 2021, at 9:45 am, Jim Lockhart via CnC-List  
wrote:

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parting out my 1972 C 36 Frigate. Curious if you can offer any guidance or 
suggestions best way to do through your group? 
Boat is in Ontario Canada!Alum Deck stepped Mast with all standing rigging.Boom 
and Spin poleHarken RF for 36 ft vesselAll sails two mains, two jibs (one RF, 
second hank on)  one gennyLead keel 4000lbsBarlow winches (2- 26,2- 24, 1- 16) 
all in good working order.Edison Cable pedestal steering with binnacle 
compassSteel RudderPlus all rigging and blocks. 
Appreciate your feedback. 
 
CHEERSJim LockhartRegional Sales Manager Central 
Canada519-697-8567j.lockhart@saltosystems.comhttp://www.saltosystems.comSALTO
 is a Commander in the 2021 Access Control Index Read the report here 
.   
 

You are informed that Salto Systems, S.L. with address at C/Arkotz 9 Pol. 
Lanbarren 20180 Oiartzun (Gipuzkoa), with Tax Identification Number B20708517 
and telephone number +34 943 344 550  (“Salto”) will process your personal data 
on the basis of Salto’s legitimate interest to manage and conduct the 
communications that occur as a result of the relationship you have with Salto, 
other Salto Group companies or  its employees. You may exercise your rights of 
access, rectification, erasure, restriction, opposition, as well as the right 
to the portability of your data and not to be subject to automated decisions, 
by request to the email address privacy@saltosystems. com. You can also contact 
our Data Protection Officer of through the indicated email address.  
Furthermore, you can lodge a claim to the competent supervisory authority. We 
inform you that your data can be communicated in the cases established by law, 
as well as to Salto Group companies. Notwithstanding, Salto relies on the 
collaboration of some third party service providers who have access and process 
your data in the name and on behalf of Salto. These recipients can be found 
outside the European Economic Area, in which case Salto requires to comply with 
the corresponding measures in a binding contract, except in cases where the 
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Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Two simple things have kept me out of filter and fuel pickup problems...keep 
the tank at least half full and filter all fuel going in tank.

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: Matthew via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 9:38:15 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Matthew 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fuel pump


Thanks, Dave.  I will try leaving the pump on next time I venture out in the 
really fun stuff.



From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 9:30 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fuel pump



 I had this happen on my previous boat with a Yanmar and I suspect I know why.  
I think the problem was getting air in the fuel lines as the pickup was 
sometimes not in the diesel as the boat bounced around when the tank is not 
full.  There was no electric fuel pump so you had to manually bleed the system 
to get the air out.  One thing I really like about the Universal with the 
electric fuel pump in my current boat is those air bubbles will be purged by 
the system if the fuel pump is left on with the engine not running.   Dave



S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT

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On Sep 28, 2021, at 8:47 AM, Matthew via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



Is your friend certain of the cause?  My Westerbeke also does not like to start 
after bouncing around in the big waves (especially following a knock-down).  My 
diesel mechanic (Andy H) has been thinking about the cause for years.  It is 
not a clogged filter problem in our case.  Fortunately, I have always been able 
to get it started, but it takes a lot of turning over.  Good thing I have 
sufficient battery reserve.



From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 5:44 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fuel pump



This is the second boat I have sprung for that double Racor.

A friend of mine finished up a race in Buffalo  with a 30Kt West wind and his 
engine wouldn’t start.  He had a hell of a time getting in  out of the waves 
without something bad happening. After hearing his story,  (Clogged filter, of 
course)  I thought, I don’t want that to happen to me – and I replaced mine. 
Engine starts to stutter, check the gauge, and flip the handle to the clean 
filter and keep on going.





Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA





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Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

[Matthew via CnC-List]

Thanks, Dave.  I will try leaving the pump on next time I venture out in the 
really fun stuff.

 

From: David Knecht via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 9:30 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

 

 I had this happen on my previous boat with a Yanmar and I suspect I know why.  
I think the problem was getting air in the fuel lines as the pickup was 
sometimes not in the diesel as the boat bounced around when the tank is not 
full.  There was no electric fuel pump so you had to manually bleed the system 
to get the air out.  One thing I really like about the Universal with the 
electric fuel pump in my current boat is those air bubbles will be purged by 
the system if the fuel pump is left on with the engine not running.   Dave

 

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT








On Sep 28, 2021, at 8:47 AM, Matthew via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Is your friend certain of the cause?  My Westerbeke also does not like to start 
after bouncing around in the big waves (especially following a knock-down).  My 
diesel mechanic (Andy H) has been thinking about the cause for years.  It is 
not a clogged filter problem in our case.  Fortunately, I have always been able 
to get it started, but it takes a lot of turning over.  Good thing I have 
sufficient battery reserve.

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 5:44 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

 

This is the second boat I have sprung for that double Racor.

A friend of mine finished up a race in Buffalo  with a 30Kt West wind and his 
engine wouldn’t start.  He had a hell of a time getting in  out of the waves 
without something bad happening. After hearing his story,  (Clogged filter, of 
course)  I thought, I don’t want that to happen to me – and I replaced mine. 
Engine starts to stutter, check the gauge, and flip the handle to the clean 
filter and keep on going.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

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Stus-List Prepping for overland transport

[Stephen Kidd via CnC-List]

Hi all,

The excellent advise a couple weeks ago on replacing standing rigging led
us down a rabbit hole. Long story short, we are now getting ready to have
our 25, Sweet Chariot, moved from Washington DC to Solomons MD on the
Chesapeake. A much longer drive, but better sailing and boat yard options.

We've never had her moved by trailer, and I'm curious what we should expect
of the hauler. One says we should have the boat fully prepped with mast
secured to deck. Another said they prefer to do it all themselves (which I
also prefer).

Any tips for getting her ready for a road trip or dealing with boat
haulers? We've checked with a few people in the area, but any
recommendations would be appreciated as well!

Thanks!
Stephen
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Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

 I had this happen on my previous boat with a Yanmar and I suspect I know why.  
I think the problem was getting air in the fuel lines as the pickup was 
sometimes not in the diesel as the boat bounced around when the tank is not 
full.  There was no electric fuel pump so you had to manually bleed the system 
to get the air out.  One thing I really like about the Universal with the 
electric fuel pump in my current boat is those air bubbles will be purged by 
the system if the fuel pump is left on with the engine not running.   Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Sep 28, 2021, at 8:47 AM, Matthew via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Is your friend certain of the cause?  My Westerbeke also does not like to 
> start after bouncing around in the big waves (especially following a 
> knock-down).  My diesel mechanic (Andy H) has been thinking about the cause 
> for years.  It is not a clogged filter problem in our case.  Fortunately, I 
> have always been able to get it started, but it takes a lot of turning over.  
> Good thing I have sufficient battery reserve.
>  
> From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List  > 
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 5:44 PM
> To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Fuel pump
>  
> This is the second boat I have sprung for that double Racor.
> A friend of mine finished up a race in Buffalo  with a 30Kt West wind and his 
> engine wouldn’t start.  He had a hell of a time getting in  out of the waves 
> without something bad happening. After hearing his story,  (Clogged filter, 
> of course)  I thought, I don’t want that to happen to me – and I replaced 
> mine. Engine starts to stutter, check the gauge, and flip the handle to the 
> clean filter and keep on going.
>  
>  
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>  
>  
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
>   Thanks - Stu

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Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

[Matthew via CnC-List]

Is your friend certain of the cause?  My Westerbeke also does not like to start 
after bouncing around in the big waves (especially following a knock-down).  My 
diesel mechanic (Andy H) has been thinking about the cause for years.  It is 
not a clogged filter problem in our case.  Fortunately, I have always been able 
to get it started, but it takes a lot of turning over.  Good thing I have 
sufficient battery reserve.

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 5:44 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

 

This is the second boat I have sprung for that double Racor.

A friend of mine finished up a race in Buffalo  with a 30Kt West wind and his 
engine wouldn’t start.  He had a hell of a time getting in  out of the waves 
without something bad happening. After hearing his story,  (Clogged filter, of 
course)  I thought, I don’t want that to happen to me – and I replaced mine. 
Engine starts to stutter, check the gauge, and flip the handle to the clean 
filter and keep on going.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

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