Stus-List Re: Rigging replacement

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

I had the rod rigging replaced on my 35 Mark 3 which I’ve since sold and 
replaced with a Quest 33. I was racing the boat, didn’t want to take a change 
on losing the rig which was at the time was 30 years old. The cost to replace 
it was $8K. 

Dave Jacobs
Quest 33, Oops!
Bristol, RI

> On Mar 12, 2021, at 10:44 AM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I replaced my mast, rigging and furler in 2020. Instead of using rod, I had 
> new wire rigging installed, saving several thousands of dollars. I'm phasing 
> out of racing, so it was a no brainer. When I finally decide to sell the 
> boat, it won't make a bit of difference in the selling price.
> 
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 6:24 AM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Hello listers--
> 
> My boat is entering her 26th year (delivered for use in 1995) and except for 
> a replaced forestay, has its original rod-rigging.
> 
> Local riggers, among others, believe that rod rigging should be replaced (or 
> re-headed?) at about 25 years of use. Since C finally bit the dust about 20 
> years ago, I suspect
> there are many listers whose rigging has or will soon reach this milestone.
> 
> For background, I have never and don't have any plans to take Water Phantom 
> seriously off-shore although I may cruise off-shore between marinas or up and 
> down the ICW. She is used
> almost exclusively for local PHRF racing in the NC sounds/rivers with 
> occasional trips to Charleston or the Chesapeake.
> 
> I plan to have the rigging inspected in place this month--over the years one 
> of the starboard shrouds seized and it was sent off for repair but otherwise 
> no issues.
> 
> My question is do I need to bite the bullet and re-head or replace all the 
> rod rigging at this milestone?
> 
> Or can I have it seriously inspected, perhaps by the group in RI (forget the 
> name), and only re-head/replace what they deem questionable.
> 
> Or given my use, maybe I should just "...forgetaboutit..."
> 
> BTW, my rig is a triple spreader, all rod (except for the forestay) so I 
> suspect the expense of replacement or re-heading is north of 5 boat bucks, 
> not to mention the labor to
> take it apart and reassemble.
> 
> What would the list do?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
> 
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Re: Stus-List Sunglasses favorites

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

Vuarnets feel like giving your eyes a cool glass of water.



> On Aug 10, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> My all-time favorites are H2Optix. Sadly not made for years now L
>  
>  
> Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I
> www.dellabarba.com 
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Re: Stus-List Mantus anchor feedback

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

I have a 35 lb  Mantus that was used for one week on a cruise (it worked great 
on my C 35 Mk3) and that’s been sitting in my garage for two years. If you’d 
like to pick it up in Bristol, RI you can have it for 75% of whatever you were 
going to pay for it. Just let me know.

Dave J

> On Nov 29, 2019, at 8:15 PM, sv Rebecca Leah via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Danny,
> I don't have any experience with the mantus,  but got the Excel last year and 
> love it. Check out this video, this guy has several videos testing many 
> anchors. 
> https://youtu.be/ZuVcCKzdxtU
> 
> 
> 
> Doug Mountjoy 
> Sv Rebecca Leah 
> C LF39
> 253-208-1412
> Port Orchard YC wa.
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
> Date: 11/29/19 15:25 (GMT-08:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Danny Haughey 
> Subject: Stus-List Mantus anchor feedback
> 
> Hi all, 
> Needing to replace my old 35lb CQR.  I'm thinking of taking advantage of the 
> black Friday deal for a new stainless mantus 55lb.  It's 10 percent of and 
> free shipping.   It seems to have great reviews and I like the idea of it 
> breaking down for storage.   Any strong feelings either way
> 
> Danny
> Tartan 40
> Mattapoisett, MA
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Danny
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Re: Stus-List C 35 MK III For Sale (New London, CT)

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

Has the rod rigging ever been replaced?
Fresh or raw water cooled engine?
Pressure hot and cold water?
Age and condition of sails?

I sold my 1984 35 MK III 2 years ago, am currently sailing a 37’ Beneteau and 
am thinking about going back to the C

Thanks,
Dave Jacobs

> On Aug 21, 2019, at 12:04 PM, Brien Sadler via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> We have bought a new boat and have to let our TAZ go. I've only had her for a 
> few years but she has been great to us. Below is the link to her Facebook ad. 
> Please let anybody know that might be interested. 
> 
> R/
> 
> Brien Sadler
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2649261335107049/ 
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Re: Stus-List C 40 Peregrine for sale

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

All that comes to mind is WOW!

Dave J
Saltaire 35 M3
Bristol, RI


> On Dec 11, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Ya done good.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
> > wrote:
> So here's the last post I'll make about selling Peregrine. She is really in 
> quite brilliant condition. Check the web site:
> 
> https://aburtonsailor.wixsite.com/peregrine 
> 
> 
> To those who asked just what it took to get me to part with my beloved C, 
> here she is:
> 
> http://www.nautorswanusaeast.com/boat-for-sale/baltic-47-momentum 
> 
> 
> As long as the survey goes well she's mine. Now I just need to do to the new 
> boat everything I've done to Peregrine and a little more!
> 
> Andy
> C 40
> Peregrine
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett Ave
> Newport, RI
> USA 02840
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
> 
> phone  +401 965 5260
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Re: Stus-List Looking for a C 35 MKI

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

Mike,

My C MK3, located in Bristol, RI is available. The listing can be seen at 

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1984/C%26C-35-MKIII-3131373/Bristol/RI/United-States#.WhhGfs33NOU.email
 

 

Best Regards,

Dave J
Saltaire
C MK3
Bristol, RI


> On Nov 18, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mike. There is one at the Miramar Yacht club in Brooklyn, NY that was owned 
> by an excellent sailor who was the club champion.  Very fast and good 
> condition.  Good price.  Owner Is Irv Shapiro.  Club info is 
> 
> Tel:  (718) 769 - 3548 
> Email: s...@miramaryc.com 
> Contact me if you want more information not.  Jerry 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 18, 2017, at 4:48 PM, Mike Casey via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks, it's probably the wrong time of year for this, but if anyone knows 
>> of a C 35 MKI for sale, would you please let me know?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Mike Casey
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> 
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> On Nov 18, 2017, at 4:48 PM, Mike Casey via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks, it's probably the wrong time of year for this, but if anyone knows 
>> of a C 35 MKI for sale, would you please let me know?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Mike Casey
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Re: Stus-List C 35 MK III full set of North racing sails

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

Please do,
Thanks
Dave
> On May 19, 2017, at 10:46 PM, David Jacobs via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> Please let me know if you will sell the main separately and if so just let me 
> know how much.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dave Jacobs
> C 35 MK iii
> Saltaire
> Bristol, RI
> 
>> On Mar 7, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Bob Curtiss via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Need to sell! NorLam 155% Genoa, Kevlar Blade w/battens,
>> 
>> Kevlar main X20 grey, full spinnaker. $3,000, or best offer. 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List C 35 MK III full set of North racing sails

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

Bob,

Please let me know if you will sell the main separately and if so just let me 
know how much.

Thanks,
Dave Jacobs
C 35 MK iii
Saltaire
Bristol, RI

> On Mar 7, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Bob Curtiss via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Need to sell! NorLam 155% Genoa, Kevlar Blade w/battens,
> 
> Kevlar main X20 grey, full spinnaker. $3,000, or best offer. 
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Re: Stus-List CC drawings from Maritime Museum of the Great Lakes

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

Rob,

 

If you’re writing an article about on the evolution of keels in sailing yachts, 
if you haven’t you should visit the Herreshoff Museum in Bristol, RI. They have 
a temperature and humidity controlled room with all of the Herroshoff half hull 
models that were carved by hand by captain Natt himself. They also have the 
tools he used and a lot of boats in various stages of refurbishment.

 

Dave

Saltaire, 35 MK3

Bristol, RI

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robertlmazza 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 9:33 PM
To: Martin DeYoung; CC Mailing List
Subject: Re: Stus-List CC drawings from Maritime Museum of the Great Lakes

 

Martin,

 

Yes, the CC drawings at the Marine Museum are a tremendous resource. However, 
I had forgotten that the 43 keel was a combination of iron and lead castings. 
I'm in the process of doing a series of articles for Good Old Boat on the 
evolution of the keel in sailing yachts, and the 43 would be an excellent 
example of this transitional stage to an all lead casting. Is there any chance 
you could send me a copy of that keel drawing,  otherwise I too would get a 
copy from the Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston.  I'll be up there 
on the 19th for a Board meeting. 

 

Rob

 

 

Sent from Samsung Mobile

 

 Original message 

From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 

Date:02-06-2015 8:50 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Subject: Stus-List CC drawings from Maritime Museum of the Great Lakes 

 

I received our CC 43-1 digital drawings this week and had a chance to give 
them a good look over. We purchase a little over 20 drawings, both the digital 
and printed copies.  The printed full size copies are should be delivered in a 
week or so.

 

The purchase was worth every penny.  On the keel drawings are hand written 
notes listing the actual weights of the first 3 castings of both the iron and 
lead parts.  Also, the keel drawing shows all the bolt locations including some 
between the lead and iron parts that I had not found (they are buried inside 
the keel assembly).

 

Calypso’s mast and fittings are all custom (the fittings are overbuilt, 
fabricated SS).  The drawing package included dimensioned drawings for most of 
the fittings and the spreaders. If the mast ever get damaged we now have an 
excellent starting point for the repair.  We also got the original chain plate 
drawings.  I found some additional drawing numbers relating to the spars and 
have requested them from the museum.

 

As Calypso is hull #1 of the custom 43 series many of the hull build drawings 
have additional notes regarding fiberglass lay-up details that I was not aware 
of including extra lay-up in high stress areas and where the balsa starts and 
ends.  Along with the “as built” type drawings are the early 1970 conceptual 
deck and interior drawings used to sell the project to the first buyer.  It is 
interesting to see how the design changed from the early marketing to actual 
build.

 

The rudder drawings include the first rudder and rudder bearing assemblies 
which show the rudder’s stock details and the massive bronze casting that makes 
up the lower rudder bearing assembly.  I also have the drawing of Calypso’s 2nd 
rudder which is deeper with additional inner SS structure.

 

The icing on the cake for me is the drawings that show the transom 
modifications performed in late 1973.  It is a relief to know that the original 
CC design team engineered the change including how much additional lay-up was 
needed to maintain structural integrity.  This drawing will be very useful if 
we decide to restore the original transom shape.

 

Martin DeYoung

Calypso

1971 CC 43

Seattle


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Stus-List 3GM Transmission

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

 

My 1984, 35 MKIII has its original Yanmar 3GM and a 1984 Martec folding
prop. I was experiencing really bad vibration  at the end of the season as
if the prop wasn't opening or as if only 1 of the 2 blades was unfolding.
I'd put it in reverse (during which there was never any of the vibration)
then put it into forward quickly and hard and after several attempts it
would usually be OK until I slowed down  like when approaching the mooring
and then it would happen again.

 

I sent the prop back to Martec to get it refurbished and when speaking to
them they suggested that although the prop was in need of refurbishment that
the vibration I was experiencing might be due to the engine clutch slipping.
When I asked a Yanmar repair guy about that he said that might indeed be the
issue. Apparently the only way I'm going to be able to tell if the
refurbished prop was the cause is when its back on the shaft and the boat's
back in the water. Since I really don't want to miss any of the short
season, racing beginning just a few weeks after the boat's back in the water
and the cost and hassle of pulling the boat out again after it's launched in
the spring, I'm leaning towards taking prevent yanking the transmission out,
bringing it to a shop and having it rebuilt.

 

Have any of you had this experience? Has having the prop fixed/replaced
always solved the issue? Or, is there a good possibility that it is indeed
the transmission? Any experience and/or advice the group can provide would
be greatly appreciated.

 

Dave

Saltaire

Bristol, RI.

 

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Re: Stus-List Folding prop

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

I have the same issue with a Martec (not geared) and am sending it back to
them for refurbishment which they recommend every 5 years. They drill out
the holes that the dowels go through and install the next size diameter
pins. I suspect that flexofold has a similar procedure.

 

All summer I was opening it in reverse and then throwing it into forward.
Not good at all for the transmission and if the rework doesn't work I'll
bite the bullet and get a new (I thought geared) prop.

 

Dave

CC 35 MKIII

Saltaire

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bruno
Lachance via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 10:09 AM
To: Danny Haughey; mike.h...@impgroup.com; bria...@rochester.rr.com;
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding prop

 

I have the 3 blades flexofold and no problem sor far. But after tree years i
decided to remove the blades to clean the pins, etc... and put a fair amount
of grease and remount, it's smooth as new. I did greased the gears as i
could every launch but you can't grease the pins without disasembling and
they get pretty dry adding friction, maybe whorst in salt water. you may
alos have something stuck on the bumber like a barnacle or other crap
preventing the blade to open fully.
 
Overall i'm an happy customer and love my flexofold.
 
Bruno
33mkII 87
Becassine
 

  _  

Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 09:37:32 -0500
To: mike.h...@impgroup.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com; bria...@rochester.rr.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding prop
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

That was going to be my suggestion.  I would just add, give it some throttle
in reverse and then you have to pop in forward.  It is very hard on the dive
train but, it may be what's necessary for that prop.  That was how I had to
open the prop on Lolita.  I eventually went with a 3 blade fixed prop.

 

Danny

 

 

From my Android phone 


 Original message 
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Date: 11/27/2014 8:07 AM (GMT-05:00) 
To: Brian Donovan bria...@rochester.rr.com,cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding prop 


Reverse and then fwd?

From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Brian Donovan
via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: November 26, 2014 9:52 PM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Folding prop

This was my first season with Celtic Fire a C  C 35' MK III sailing on Lake
Ontario.
I have a folding prop Prop (Flexofold 2 blade 16 R).
That does not open up all the way when the boat is moving, when this happens
it creates a lot of vibration.
This problem does not happen when I leave the dock and start from a standing
still.
I wonder if anyone else has experienced a similar problem and found a
solution.

Cheers,

Brian

Brian Donovan
112 Frisbee Hill Rd.
Hilton NY 14468

585 313 1940

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Re: Stus-List CC for sale locally

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

This boat's been on the market for a very long time. When I was looking last
year I was told by a broker that the deck was soft but that the owner fixed
it and did a good job.I never did go to see it though.

 

Dave J

Saltaire

CC 35 MK3

Bristol, RI

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny
Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 7:50 AM
To: russ...@telus.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List CC for sale locally

 

 http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com Hi Guys,

 

I thought this might be of some interest.  I friend of mine sent it to me
yesterday.

 

I have no affiliation with this boat what-so-ever.

 

79 CC 36 for $20,500

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/boa/4705372237.html

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Re: Stus-List survey now brokers

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

I was very hesitant to pay someone to help me purchase a boat but I ended up
using a broker, Bill Shaw in Barrington, RI when I purchased Saltaire. 

Bill did a great job. He suggested that I reduce my offer to what was even
further lower than market value and saved me several thousand dollars. He
also connected me to people who did some necessary work on the boat for what
turned out to be extremely competitive prices.

Actually, Bill and I have become good friends and often sail/race together.
Given my experience I'd certainly suggest entertaining the idea of using a
broker to represent you.

Dave J
Saltaire
CC 35Mk3

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:34 AM
To: Hoyt, Mike; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List survey now brokers

I guess in some markets this is doable. Personally, I could not find one,
where I needed him (her). But the surveyors were available. In fact,  I
interviewed three of them before selecting one.

Marek
s/v Legato
Ottawa

-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:26 AM
To: Danny Haughey ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List survey now brokers

I am not sure if everybody realizes but a common practice is to find your
own buyers broker to represent your interest.  I did that when we purchased
Persistence because I knew and trusted him and he is right next door.  My
broker contacted the listing broker and between them took care of many
details that it would be difficult for me to do since the boat was nearly
1000km from here by road.  Financially the listing broker and buyers broker
split the commission down the middle.

I really liked this arrangement because it really helped my own interests
and in a situation such as Jon mentioned would probably have helped him as
well.

This arrangement was great for me

Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 33

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Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:16 AM
To: dwight...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List survey

Dwight said;
the brokers don't share that feeling because he often finds too many
problems,

There is a good point!  Ask the broker which surveyors to stay away from and
use that as your short list!!  LOL

Danny

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To: 'Hoyt, Mike' mike.h...@impgroup.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List survey
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:57:37 -0300

Not sure I agree with you there Mike, I think it depends on the
surveyor...around here if TBoats (Iain Tulloch) is your surveyor I think he
does the same detailed inspection every time...I have had him survey Alianna
twice, 5 years apart for insurance purposes and each time I was there and
saw him go over the boat with a fine tooth comb...he checks everything,
including rig, deck, hull and rudder moisture content, hull valves,
electrical wiring, fuel lines, etc. and he includes lots of photos in the
report...my insuance company, Royal Sun Alliance, likes his work but I
believe the brokers don't share that feeling because he often finds too many
problems, some of which might discourage a buyer

Dwight Veinot
CC 35MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

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Mike via CnC-List
Sent: October 28, 2014 9:25 AM
To: Jon Tasker; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List survey

Jon

Was the survey done for you?  Did you pay for it?

There are two types of surveys.  There is a pre-purchase survey commissioned
and paid for by the potential buyer and there is an insurance survey
commissioned and paid for by the existing owner for insurance purposes.  The
buyers survey is usually more detailed and is there to point out the
potential issues as well as strengths of the boat.  An insurance survey does
not always record everything to the same level of detail and is designed to
put a valuation on the boat for insurance purposes.  I have had both done.
I like my insurance company to have a very high opinion of my boat.  However
when buying I like to know potential expenses I will incur in order to
determine a fair price

So back to the original question.  Who paid for the survey?

Mike

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Tasker via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 10:55 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 105, Issue 76

I also bought my boat in Racine and got a multi-page report from the
recommended surveyor. The survey was dishonest from start to finish, had the
seller's interest in mind and future survey business. Had it been honest, I
could have gotten another $10,000 off the sell price. The moral of the story
is do 

Stus-List Barrier Coating

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

I'm having my boats bottom soda blasted and then I'm going to be applying a
barrier coating. The yard recommended 7 coats of Interlux Interprotect 2000E
barrier coat which frankly seems a bit much. According to them, Interlux
(who recommends 4-5 coats 10 mil minimum) won't honor their warrantee if you
use less. Never short for opinions I'm hoping you folks can provide me some
recommendations for barrier coatings.

 

Thanks,

Dave J

 

Saltaire, CC35 MKIII

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Re: Stus-List thread reply and rod rigging

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

David,

 

I purchases a 1984 CC 35 MK3 last fall and had the rod all replaced. The cost 
was $8K. However, the boat had been stored in doors every winter since it was 
built and except for the rudder was totally dry. It was on the  market for $38K 
and I eventually purchased it for $24. Add the rigging ($8K) main ($2,500) and 
135  ($2800) and I’m into it for $37.3K. which for this particular boat I’m 
fine with.

 

This winter soda blasting and barrier coating the bottom. Hopefully going for 
3rd and 4th to 1st and 2nd on Wednesday nights.

 

Good Luck

Dave J

Saltaire

CC 35MK3

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:49 AM
To: David Dawes; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List thread reply and rod rigging

 

Rod can be reheaded for about $2000. Should be done every ten years per Navtec. 

 

Joel

On Sunday, October 12, 2014, David Dawes via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
wrote:

Hi, can someone tell me how to reply to a thread?  Sorry, I can’t figure it 
out.  So I started a new one.

 

 

Next I looked at a 1984 CNC 35 M3 yesterday.  Concerned about the rod rigging.  
This boat is run down so I don’t expect a record of rigging inspection or 
service.

 

A rigger friend recommended full replacement.

 

Is this correct?  And what are alternatives?  What is a rod replacement cost 
approx?  And is a wire replacement smart/ advisable/ cost effective or too 
heavy?  Technology has moved ahead in 30 years.

 

I love the boat layout etc.  But suspect rigging will kill my offshore pleasure!

 

Many thanks,

 

David.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

David Dawes

Captain

Newport, RI, USA

+1(401)5854942

dawes...@hotmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dawes...@hotmail.com'); 

 

 

 



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Stus-List In-Hull Depth Transducer

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

I am purchasing a Lowrance chart plotter and depth sounder and like several
others would really like to avoid another hole in the bottom. In-hull
transducers will not work through a cored hull which my 35Mk3 has. Is there
solid hull at or near the boats centerline? Is anyone using an in-hull
transducer in their core hulled CC?

By the way, I would prefer Raymarine but the nearly $400 price difference
(all through Defender) is significant. If anyone thinks the Raymarine is
worth the extra money or has any comments about this choice please let me
know.

Thanks,
Dave
Saltaire
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Re: Stus-List Maiden voyage

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

Congrats, 

 

Looks like a great sail on a nice day.

 

Dave

Saltaire

CC 35 MK3

Bristol

 

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Stratton via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 6:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Maiden voyage

 

Just set sail for the first time on my 1974 33 ¾ tonner. Couldn’t have
picked a better day. For those of you in the area I am just north of the
Mount Hope bridge close hauled into a nice SW breeze.. maybe 15 G20. Take a
peek. It’s a short video. Sorry for all the wind noise. Nothing you can do
about that. Also, as my kids always say, “hold the camera sideways” Yup
forgot to do that …. Again.

 

Be kind please. I am a newbe.

 

Skip

Portsmouth, RI

 

http://youtu.be/SB-eeYOiZes

 

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Re: Stus-List remove head sink on c n c 32?

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
McElwreath, Daniel via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List remove head sink on c n c 32?

 

Before going in the water this Spring I replaced all the  waste hose and ran
thru the vanity in head.  This week I had to rebuild the par shower drain
pump so I had to remove that.  My question:  Can the head sink be removed to
allow access?  Working thru the small vanity door is an absolute BEAR.  I
have been reluctant to try and put the pump back, only because it is such a
pain.  I was even thinking of cutting the vanity wall out, including the
little door, and then reglassing when finished.  But I know what that would
look like.  Thanks for any advice.  Dan Mc on Tively II in City Island, NY

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Stus-List Play in the steering

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

After picking up our mooring and locking the wheel I felt something
banging. I quickly found that the source was the rudder moving side to
side as the boat swung on the mooring. I went down below and found that the
steering cables were fairly slack and there was quite a bit of play, hence
the back and forth movement. The top of the emergency tiller post was also
moving not symmetrically within it's fitting as though the bearings around
the rudder post weren't tight (something to do in the fall) It seems like
there should be a pulley attached to a spring (an idler) to provide a
calibrated pull on the cables and take up the slack. If that is not the
answer then how tight should the cables be? I haven't dived into it yet but
when I do is there an obvious way to shorten the steering cables?

 

Dave

Saltaire CC 35 MK3

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Re: Stus-List Play in the steering

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

Thank you all for the information. You guys (and gals perhaps) are really a 
great resource.

 

Dave

Saltaire CC 35 MK3 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Graham 
Collins via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 4:35 PM
To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Play in the steering

 

You guys must have freakishly long arms if you can reach the adjusting nuts for 
the cable on the rudder quadrant, on mine it is about 30 from the end of the 
quarterberth to the rudder shaft!  

My method to get in there is to close the port cockpit drain seacock, pull the 
hose off it and get it out of the way, and then I can slide in on my back.  Not 
that I like it, but that works for me.



Graham Collins
Secret Plans
CC 35-III #11

On 2014-07-14 2:05 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:

Alan, 

 

Good to know the nuts can be reached through the access panels!​  I discovered 
this weekend that one of mine has no nut.  I was dreading trying to crawl in 
there.

 

Joel

35/3

 

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

You may need to remove the cockpit drain hose in the port cockpit locker to get 
to the quadrant (find a long, thin person would be my advice).  Good advice on 
the top bearing nuts - that took a lot of play out of my steering when done 
last year. 

 

Tim

 

Mojito

CC 35 Mk III

Branford, CT

 

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Alan Bergen via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 

David:

 

Center the wheel and lock it in place with the brake.  Then tighten the four 
screws that hold the bearing around the rudder post to the cockpit floor.  
You'll have to remove the helm seat in order to reach in through the access 
ports so you can hold the nuts with a wrench.  Once that is done, you can 
tighten the turnbuckles that are used to adjust the cable tension until you 
have the amount of play with which you are comfortable.  You can reach the 
turnbuckles through the port cockpit locker, and possibly through the access 
panel in the back of the quarter berth.  Now would be a good time to check the 
cables to make sure they are not frayed.  Take a piece of facial tissue 
(Kleenex) and hold it loosely around the cable, while someone moves the wheel 
through it's full rotation.  If there is any fraying, the tissue will catch it, 
and it would be advisable to replace the cable.

 

Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR

 

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Re: Stus-List Martec Folding Prop

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

Kim,

I have noticed that if I bring the boat to a complete stop in reverse and
then put it in forward and accelerate that it works about 50% of the time.
So, I guess I'll just deal with it this season and get it rebuilt in the
fall.

Thanks,
Dave
Saltaire, 35-3

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Subject: Stus-List Martec Folding Prop


Dave,
Had my Martec rebuilt last year before we headed to the Bahamas. Folks at
Martec were easy to deal with. Had/have the only one blade deploying issue
primarily when I failed to stop/slow sufficiently before putting in forward
(ie sailing @ under 3 knots = time for iron genny) Couldn't kick it in gear
w/o slowing more or else one blade deployment would be an issue (easy to do
but hard to remember to do).  After rebuild it is MUCH better and is now a
very rare event. Besides the pin redo they rebuild the stops. Not sure what
solves the issue but it is solved.  

Kim Brown
TrustMe!!! 35-3



I have a Martec folding prop which when I come off the mooring operates
fine. However if I slow down or stop to pick up crew at the dock something
happens and it vibrates like crazy. It?s got to be that one of the blades
folded and the other didn?t and when I accelerate it still vibrates as
though the blade that folded does come out again. Both blades do deploy when
I put it in reverse but then one folds when I go into forward. Is this how
these folding blade props act when they have too much play? If anyone has
had that happen and then had it reworked by Martec did this problem go away?

Dave
Saltaire CC 35 Mk3


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Re: Stus-List Folding prop horizontal vs vertical plane..

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

I have a Martec folding prop which when I come off the mooring operates
fine. However if I slow down or stop to pick up crew at the dock something
happens and it vibrates like crazy. It's got to be that one of the blades
folded and the other didn't and when I accelerate it still vibrates as
though the blade that folded does come out again. Both blades do deploy when
I put it in reverse but then one folds when I go into forward. Is this how
these folding blade props act when they have too much play? If anyone has
had that happen and then had it reworked by Martec did this problem go away?

 

Dave

Saltaire CC 35 Mk3 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 1:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Folding prop horizontal vs vertical plane..

 

My prop is folding,  not feathering. On a non-geared folder If you have the
blades on a vertical plane, the lower blade will hang down from gravity /
add additional drag. On horizontal plane they fold together completely
(Looks like a seaweed) and minimize drag.  If it's a geared folder, they
will fold completely no-matter the angle

That's per Martec's instructions. See comment about the Pivot point (Shaft)
being set vertical (Making the blades horizontal)
http://www.martec-props.com/install_eliptec.htm

As for the rebuilds, they are about a hundred bucks with Martec.  They
re-drill the hub, install a larger diameter shaft, re-drill the blades,
balance and polish the whole thing.  The prop looked brand new.  

Call the MFG to get an idea if you are out of specs.  My blades wiggled more
than 1 inch at the tips so it was pretty obvious.. 

-Francois Rivard
1990 CC 34+ Take Five
Lake Lanier, Georgia. 




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Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

Thank you all for your suggestions. I’ll for sure check the rake and rig 
tension and let you folks know if that and staying out of dirty air puts us 
over the top.

 

Dave

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jake 
Brodersen via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 10:08 AM
To: 'Dennis C.'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem

 

I set my mast rake at 10-12”, measured at boom level.  I hoist my tool box on 
the main halyard so it is just off the deck.  It keeps the halyard straight and 
steady.  Measure from the aft side of the mast to the halyard.  You can make 
small adjustments by lengthening or shortening the forestay.  If you are way 
off, you make need to move the blocks at the base of the mast.  Remember, we’re 
setting mast rake, not prebend.  That’s a whole other subject.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

“Midnight Mistress”

CC 35 Mk-III

Hampton Va

 

 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 6:54 PM
To: Joel Aronson; CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem

 

Can you 35-3 owners help him with the rake?  I know that my 35-1 wants a 
minimum of 10-12 aft of the gooseneck with a plumb line from the masthead.

Basically, as much as you can stand without excessive weather helm.

 

Dennis C.

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Stus-List Rigging Problem

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

Great wind for a Wednesday evening club race, great start, and then got
smoked by three other boats one of which was another CC 35 MK3. I had just
had the bottom cleaned, had plenty of boat speed but I just couldn't point
as high as the others. 

 

Any suggestions on where I should start to look for an answer?

 

Dave

Saltaire

CC 35 MK3

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Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

Dennis,

 

In response to your questions,

 

· The boat is a 6’ keel

· Brand new Thurston (albeit cruising but really nicely shaped) sails 
(main and 135%)

· Rake is something I need some education about. The mast was pulled 
and I added all new rod rigging and a Harken Furler so the rake is whatever it 
was when the boatyard (Burr Brothers in Marion) stepped the mast. So, how do I 
measure it and what’s the proper amount of rake?

· Trim was good. Very experience crew who is in the industry and has 
been racing since the age of 8 trimming the jib and the main telltales were 
streaming well (front of the jib and back of the main trimmed well). 4” off the 
lower spreader and just off the top spreader.

· 1500 pounds on the backstay to take the sag out of the head stay 
(taken off when off the wind). Slight bend in the mast but I don’t have a 
quantitative answer.

· I was totally focused on sailing to the genoa tell tales which we 
kept streaming evenly up and down the genoa. However the “grove” between 
pinching and too far off the wind seemed very tight (maybe not enough halyard 
tension?).

· Wind was 15-18 knots and I was not able to point as high as the 
others including the other 35 MK3. Also it appears that the skipper of the 
other CC MK3 can sail his boat flatter. Yes, he did have more crew on the rail 
but I’ve seen this in other races also when it wasn’t as windy. So, I’m 
wondering if this particular design likes to sail slightly pinched.

· Bottom cleaned two days prior to the race and every three weeks.

 

Any help appreciated. Need to improve or my crew might mutiny L

 

Dave

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 5:13 PM
To: CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem

 

Tell us more.

Deep keel or centerboard?


1.  Sails?  Old?  Bagged out?

2. Rake?  Need to hear from other 35-3 owners.  

3. Trim?  How tight? How far off speaders?

4. Mast bend?  How much?

5. Genoa lead?  Were the tell tales breaking evenly up and down the genoa?

6. Angle vs course.  Was your angle the same as the others or were you pointed 
lower.  If pointed the same what were the wind conditions?  Were you getting 
pushed sideways?

 

Dennis C.

 

On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 1:27 PM, David Jacobs via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

Great wind for a Wednesday evening club race, great start, and then got smoked 
by three other boats one of which was another CC 35 MK3. I had just had the 
bottom cleaned, had plenty of boat speed but I just couldn’t point as high as 
the others. 

 

Any suggestions on where I should start to look for an answer?

 

Dave

Saltaire

CC 35 MK3


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Re: Stus-List Planning trip to S. New England- need advice from locals

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

Pete,

 

About 25 minutes from Providence and on the way to Newport, stop in Bristol,
RI. A fun town that is home to the Bristol Yacht Club, the Herreshoff museum
and a lot of good restaurants. The museum has Bill Koch's 12 meter
American in which he defended the cup and several Herreshoff designed
boats in various stages of rehabbing. One of the boats on display (actually
hanging from the ceiling) is a catamaran they designed and built in the
1890's that after doing horizon jobs when racing some very fast schooners
was outlawed. They are also building a 1/6 scale model of the Reliance which
is pretty interesting.

 

Safe Travels,

Dave J

Saltaire, CC 33 MK3

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of kelly
petew via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 10:50 AM
To: cnc-list
Subject: Stus-List Planning trip to S. New England- need advice from locals

 

I'm planning a trip to southern New England next month [not by boat].
Naturally, I'm most interested in the sailing attractions, such as Newport,
Mystic Seaport, and the like. 
At this point, I'm thinking of renting a car in Providence and exploring as
many places as I can over a 5-day period.  
I'd like to do one of the harbor cruises on a 12 meter as well as enjoy
local cuisine.  Beyond these, I don't have much else on my to-do list. 
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.  
 
thanks,
 
Pete W.
 
Siren Song
'91 CC 30-2
Deltaville, VA
 

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Re: Stus-List Can anyone identify the class of this boat?

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

99% sure that it is indeed a Cape Dory.

Dave
Saltaire
35 MKIII

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ronald B.
Frerker via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 11:54 AM
To: Dennis C.; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Can anyone identify the class of this boat?

That was my guess.
Ron


On Sun, 6/1/14, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Can anyone identify the class of this boat?
 To: Eric Frank efran...@mac.com, CnClist cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Date: Sunday, June 1, 2014, 8:24 PM
 
 Has a Cape Dory 25 look
 but not 100% sure.
 
 Dennis C.
 
 
 On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at
 8:01 PM, Eric Frank via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:
 
 Just saw this lovely little
 sloop in Hadley Harbor, Buzzards Bay today.  About 25 feet  long.  Can
anyone identify her class?  Two photos are  available on my dropbox - here
are the URLs.
 
 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3ng1dpa8onucxxp/IMG_1011.jpghttps://www.dropbox.co
m/s/kyddmw7d585jfgh/IMG_1018.jpg
 
 
 Thanks, Eric
 Cat's Paw
 CC
 35 Mk II
 Mattapoisett, MA
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Folding prop

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

Andy,

 

I have a Martec and it’s the first folding prop I’ve ever had. I had been 
nervous about it but besides sometimes having one  sometimes fold when going 
really slow in the harbor and having to hit reverse to spin it open, it’s been 
great. In reverse it’s more than adequate stopping the boat pulling into a slip 
which is to only time I need it and that’s rare since I’m normally on a mooring.

 

Dave J

Saltaire

CC 35 MKIII

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
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Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 6:42 PM
To: andrew rothweiler; CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding prop

 

Gee, Andy,

I'm really surprised nobody replied yet.  There's usually a decent discussion 
on folders.  Most fall into two camps, the Martec detractors and the 
Flex-O-Fold supporters.  I swing a Martec 2 blade folder on Touche'.  As a 
racer I like it but many do not because of its perceived lack of reverse power.

Call each supplier and get recommendations and pricing.

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

 

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:04 AM, andrew rothweiler via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

Hello, can someone  give advice on selecting a folding prop that would be 
matched with an Atomic 4 in a 35-2?

Thanks in advance.

Andy R


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Re: Stus-List Cool change and Oregon Offshore Race

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

Good decision. Perhaps the one thing we do benefit from getting older is wisdom.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bergen 
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Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 7:43 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Cool change and Oregon Offshore Race

 

I received this email from Frank, this morning:


As you know, we decided not to race in the Oregon offshore.
This decision was made at 0600 Thursday morning.  All the crew members were 
in agreement not to participate in the race.
We had been monitoring the weather for the past 30 days and watching the 
trends for the offshore race course.

We knew that the race was going to be fast but that implied that the course 
would be challenging.  We were looking at weather predications from NOAA 
that included up to 40 knot gusts, 20 to 35 knot sustained winds, five foot 
swell at 9 seconds and nine foot wind waves from Grays Harbor to the Strait.

The boat was not the problem, it was the crew that I was concerned about. 
We could expect one critical boat part failure, most of us getting sick, and 
possibly one or more serious injuries.  Only three crew were experienced in 
heavy weather sailing offshore.  Our average crew members age is close to 60 
years old.  Two members being over 70 years old and one less than 50 years 
old.  Three women and 5 men on the crew.  A majority of the crew is new to 
offshore racing and have never experienced the conditions that were 
predicted for the time of the race.  Although we all wanted to race, it was 
obvious to all of us that if we experienced the conditions that were 
predicted we would most likely regret the decision to go.

Making the decision not to race was very hard for me but deciding to go and 
being responsible for a crew members injury would be even more difficult to 
endure.

For our boat, for our crew, the decision not to race in the predicted race 
course conditions was a good one.

The crew delivered the boat back to RCYC.  Nice cruise up the Columbia 
River.  Stopped at Rainer over night.  Averaged 6.7 kts through the water 
and 4.1 kts over land.

We are already preparing for next year.

 

Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR

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