Stus-List Re: C&C 35 Mk I Recommendations for Sailmaker

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

I think Jamie made my replacement North main when he was at North sails 
in Toronto.  Needless to say there is a lot of his work here in Niagara 
on the Lake SC.  Never heard a complaint and we have his sailpac fitted 
and are very happy with it.


Doug

On 1/5/23 14:50, Paul Fountain via CnC-List wrote:
I ve used Sportech Sails in St Catherine’s for sails and canvas work 
for a while now. Been very happy with Jamie’s work


Paul

*From:* Glen Eddie via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Thursday, January 5, 2023 10:28:13 AM
*To:* Stus-List 
*Cc:* Glen Eddie 
*Subject:* Stus-List C&C 35 Mk I Recommendations for Sailmaker

Hello everyone,

Time for Freya to get a new Mainsail and Headsail (135%-150% furling 
dacron).  Any preferred sailmakers in the Greater Toronto Area?


Thanks

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Stus-List Re: C&C 29 Mk1 tuning questions

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

YO;

It has been our observation that the Loos gauge readings are relative 
and not specific, our gauge will not match yours.  But if you  use my 
gauge (or yours) and measure my rig you can use the same gauge to return 
to your boat and match settings.   We could be wrong in this.


One of those races where we interchange crew members, Chris Doyle from 
Skip Doyle's boat Rocking Chair was delegated to our boat...first thing 
he did was to loosen the rig and we did well. Wish we had kept those 
settings, I think we sail to tight.


Doug Robinson

s/v Nemesis

On 10/15/22 18:03, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List wrote:

Hello all,

We are new owners of Hull#45 "Firefly" and I am interested in hearing 
if any one has a set of starting rig tension measurements you could share.


Loos Gauge numbers would be great.

Just replaced the headstay due to wire damage I found under the foil. 
(Wanted to avoid burying bad wire under the new roller furling). Now 
working on retuning the rig.


All insight and experience sharing welcome!

Respectfully, Karl

Karl & Doris Kuzis
C&C 29 Mk1 "Firefly"

cnc-list@cnc-list.com

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

No cove strip...


On Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 2:21 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Sheerline, bow overhang, and keel shape don’t look like a C&C 30’s.
>
> Randy Stafford
> SV Grenadine
> C&C 30 MK I #79
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
> On Aug 24, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html
>
> The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina C&C 35 MK I
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
>

Stus-List Re: Adding a second house battery

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

On Nemesis we have modern upgrade to the age old Perko switch. We have 
the 24 hour circuits wired to the Bilge pump and the Fridge.  The other 
two  are the house circuit and a spare (radio power someday perhaps).  
The  starting battery is maintained through the now mandatory ELI 
breaker which has a bypass breaker to a marine charger just for the 
engine bat.  The house bank gets charged through the inverter while at 
the dock.  No fried diodes, simple operation, top circuit protection.  
When the engine is running everyone gets their share of juice through 
the ACR charging relay.


This is the way your RV should have been wired when delivered Well 
the Bilge circuit should have been replaced with the Nest maybe.


Doug Robinson, s/v Nemesis


https://www.bluesea.com/products/8686/Dual_Battery_Bank_Management_Panel

https://www.bluesea.com/products/7610/SI-ACR_Automatic_Charging_Relay_-_12_24V_DC_120A



On 7/4/22 11:55, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List wrote:
I have same in my 34 C&C.  2 batts for house and one for start.  With 
a 1, 2 all switch you can use the house bank (1) on the hook and know 
the start bank (2) is isolated.  Switch to all when the engine is 
started and all 3 batts will charge.  I bought a Noco sealed 10 amp 
charger for the dock.  I do not have any high use appliances.  I do 
have a 1200 watt inverter wired direct to the house bank.   It is 
sometimes used for coffee grinder.


Get Outlook for Android 

*From:* Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Monday, July 4, 2022 8:35:32 AM
*To:* Stus-List 
*Cc:* Jeffrey A. Laman ; Neil Andersen 


*Subject:* Stus-List Re: Adding a second house battery
If you “separate” the batteries with a 1-2-ALL switch like we have on 
our boats, you can control which battery gets used. If you have only 
drawn from one battery, your recharge time will be like it is now.


Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

*From:* Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Monday, July 4, 2022 10:18:24 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Cc:* Jeffrey A. Laman 
*Subject:* Stus-List Re: Adding a second house battery
This is how my C&C34 is set up and how it came when I bought it.  I 
added charger, with 2 bank capacity.  One side of the charger gets the 
two house, and the other side of the charger goes to start.  Works 
fine.  But, as noted, charging the house takes a longer.  I have 
debated whether to do away with the 2^nd  house battery since the boat 
does not consume that much power -- instruments and auto pilot.  All 
lights are LED now.  Stereo use is at dock only.


Jeff Laman
81 C&C34 "Harmony"
Ludington, MI

*From:* Jeff Nelson via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Monday, July 4, 2022 10:13 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Cc:* Jeff Nelson 
*Subject:* Stus-List Re: Adding a second house battery
Assuming you simply want to double your storage capacity, put the 
batteries side by side, wire positive to positive and
negative to negative.  You now have 12 volts with 2ce the ampacity.  
Others may offer some advice on charging...but
I think you should be reasonably ok, except it will take a bunch 
longer to charge as you have 2ce the capacity that you

need to fill.

On 2022-07-04 10:41, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:


Actually is for an RV but I can think of no better place to get 
answer to this type of question than this list.


Came with one group 27 deep cycle battery.  Wish to add a second and 
have been told that nothing needs to change re the charging systems, 
etc …  What is involved in adding a second group 27 battery?


Thanks

Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS



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Stus-List Fwd: no traffic from the list?

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Stu,

Problem solved, and thanks for the reference to JohnKelly Cuthbertson's 
web page with the builders plate listed. (Just in time for Father's Day 
gifts).


And GMail works fine on the list using Linux and Thunderbird, just have 
to remember what folder you sorted the traffic into.


Doug Robinson

Nemesis, C&C29 MkI.



 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: no traffic from the list?
Date:   Sun, 12 Jun 2022 18:14:21 -0400
From:   Stu 
To: Doug Robinson 



Doug -- traffic from the list has been extremely slow these days. But
there has been emails posted since 5/2/22.

It has been noted before -- Gmail does not work the best with the list
-- and is not reliable.  Sorry but I can't do anything to help you out.

Check out this link for builders' plates from JohnKelly Cuthbertson:
https://www.motiondesignslimited.com/the-chandlery

Stu

Stus-List Re: Finishing on 1990 30-2 companion way stairs

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Yep,

That's the stuff C&C used to dress  up the teak.

Doug

On 5/6/22 13:47, CHARLES SCHEAFFER wrote:
I use Watco Teak oil available at Home Depot and Lowes if that's what 
your referring to.   I usually wipe the wood down with a cleaner like 
diluted Pinesol in a spray bottle.  Then I clean the wood with 
Denatured Alcohol and let dry.  Then use a soft terry cloth rag to 
wipe on some teak oil.  Let soak in and wipe off any excess.  It seals 
the wood and hides any dings and makes look very nice.


Chuck S
On 05/06/2022 1:07 PM Doug Robinson via CnC-List 
 wrote:



Surely someone remembers the dialog on this list that identified the 
product used by C&C.  Google is your friend and I remember looking  
at it on Loews and Home Depot.   No time to look myself but this 
project is on my spring todo list


On 5/6/22 05:53, Allan Rheaume via CnC-List wrote:

Hi Chad,
              I sanded mine down and used Cetol. It lasted a good 15 
years or so until I refinished again last year with the same stuff.


Allan Rheaume
Drumroll 30-2 #90

On Thursday, May 5, 2022, 08:52:41 p.m. EDT, Chad Osmond via 
CnC-List  wrote:



Anyone know what these were finished with? Looking to clean ours up 
and refinish the treads.


It's matte and not a varnish. Maybe an oil?

Stus-List Re: Finishing on 1990 30-2 companion way stairs

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Surely someone remembers the dialog on this list that identified the 
product used by C&C.  Google is your friend and I remember looking  at 
it on Loews and Home Depot.   No time to look myself but this project is 
on my spring todo list


On 5/6/22 05:53, Allan Rheaume via CnC-List wrote:

Hi Chad,
              I sanded mine down and used Cetol. It lasted a good 15 
years or so until I refinished again last year with the same stuff.


Allan Rheaume
Drumroll 30-2 #90

On Thursday, May 5, 2022, 08:52:41 p.m. EDT, Chad Osmond via CnC-List 
 wrote:



Anyone know what these were finished with? Looking to clean ours up 
and refinish the treads.


It's matte and not a varnish. Maybe an oil?

Stus-List Re: List problems

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

I am using Thunderbird on Linux Mint and I see no problems. All the current
releases with updates installed daily.  I also run Thunderbird on my
Windoze 11 Thinkpad but rarely use it due to all the adverts that clutter
it up.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022, 10:04 PM Rod Stright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Second one that came through fine in Outlook.
>
> Tod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
> Sent: March-07-22 10:01 PM
> To: 'Stus-List' 
> Cc: wolf...@erie.net
> Subject: Stus-List Re: List problems
>
> Stu:
>
> I was using Outlook on a Windows 10 machine when it started.  Today
> I began using a newer version of Outlook on a Windows 11 machine.  I ran
> into the same issue -- some e-mail notes come through normally, others as
> an
> attachment.  Your note below came through fine, by the way.
>
> Matt
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stu via CnC-List 
> Sent: Monday, March 7, 2022 7:23 PM
> To: C&C Email List 
> Cc: Stu 
> Subject: Stus-List List problems
>
> I have removed the footer with an external link.  There is still a footer -
> just no link.
>
> Instead of trying to identify the email servers, let's identify the mail
> programs being used - both sending and receiving.
>
> Stu
>
> using Thunderbird mail.
> There are no links in this footer.
> There are no links in this footer.
> There are no links in this footer.
>
There are no links in this footer.

Stus-List Re: Stus test 1

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

  
  
Thuderbird is a winner, here is a reply from Tbird using HTML
  setting.

On 2/5/2022 3:08 PM, Stu via CnC-List
  wrote:


  
  This is sent using Thunderbird Mail App in Plain Text Only.
  
  
  
  STU
  
  There is still time to get the Admiral something for Valentine's
  Day:
  
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Stus-List Re: Stanchion feet

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Contact South Shore Yachts in Virgil Ontario, they make a market in C&C 
bits and pieces.


https://www.boatdealers.ca/boat-dealers/1063/south-shore-yachts-ontario-on


On 1/18/22 6:45 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List wrote:
Can someone advise please. Is a bow pulpit a legal requirement on our 
C&C's for safety reasons


On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 2:13 PM John Read via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Am in process of repairing bow pulpit after it tried to make
friends with Mr. Piling.  May need new feet (Klacko type A or C) 
Can list advise who may have them?

TIA

John Read

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Canadian Luxury Tax

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

It has been said the State of Michigan paid out more in unemployment 
stipends than the federal government collected in tax.  If I had 
incurred such a loss in the bank,  I would have been canned without 
recourse.for sure.



On 1/12/22 2:41 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:


I was in the boat repair business at that time and the last pre-tax 
year was 1.5 million gross and the next year with the tax was 385K.


It does not work, no one will pay it, they’ll find any way around it.

*/Joe Della Barba/*

Coquina

*From:*Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 12, 2022 2:33 PM
*To:* 'Stus-List' 
*Cc:* Bill Coleman 
*Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Canadian Luxury Tax

OK, I know I should just get back to work, but this is a very thought 
provoking Bill about to take place,


and it is like watching a slow motion train wreck.

The American Version of the 90’s may not have been what completely 
killed C&C, but it certainly guaranteed it.


What do they say, “Those who do not remember the mistakes of the past 
are condemned to repeat them in the future” ?!


It’s been about a generation, long enough to forget, I guess. And 
Canada has a lot to lose.


https://marinefabricatormag.com/2021/12/20/analysis-shows-canadas-proposed-luxury-tax-will-have-heavy-impact-on-marine-industry/ 



https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1991-06-13-9102220626-story.html 



Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA


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Stus-List Re: Sails for 1978 C&C 29

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Those for a C&C 29 MkI?  If so I am interested.

On 12/23/21 2:37 PM, onno boswinkel via CnC-List wrote:
 They haven't been used since 1991 and they're free, except you pay 
the actual shipping cost.

1. 150% mylar, North, 1984
2. 150% dacron, Shore, 1977
3. 130% dacron, Thurston, 1985
4. 90% dacron, Shore, 1977
5. Main dacron, North, 1984
6. Main dacron, Shore, 1977

Onno Boswinkel
ANTIDOTE
C&C33 mk II
Wickford, RI


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Stus-List Re: Insurance

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

OOps,

Checked in with Progressive this morning and the lad that insisted I was 
covered for storing in Canada was wrong.  Refund will take 12 to 14 days 
and required some work to unwind in my paypal account.   So I will move 
my search to Canadian underwriters, anyone have a favorite in the 
Niagara or GTA area. Need to check to see if they will cover a 1976 
C&C29 Mk1 before wasting our  time...


FDR

On 9/29/21 9:25 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List wrote:
I've had Progressive for the last twelve years.  Never had a claim.  
No survey required during that time.  I got it mostly for liability 
and becasue marinas require it, but my policy also has a stated "cash 
value" in case of loss.  Each year the premium drops a little, (like 
$20) so I always renew.


Chuck S
On 09/27/2021 4:11 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
 wrote:



I too am considering moving to Progressive to save ~ $1200 per year.

I have never had a claim except for towing and now I use Boat-US for 
that--$250/year which I may drop.


Before I switch, has anyone had any experience with the claims 
procedure/reimbursement from Progressive--good, bad or indifferent?


Saving money on insurance is a fools errand if you have to hire a 
lawyer to get them to pay a claim.


Charlie Nelson
36 XL/kcb Water Phantom
Greenville, NC


-Original Message-
From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
Sent: Mon, Sep 27, 2021 1:11 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance

They didn't ask me for a survey.
Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 9:48 AM Matthew via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


When I switched to Progressive this year, I was told that the
underwriting department would review the application and decide
if a survey was needed.  After reviewing the application, they
decided a survey was not needed.
Matt Wolford
1976 C&C 42 Custom
*From:* Glenn Henderson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
*Sent:* Saturday, September 25, 2021 10:57 AM
*To:* Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
*Cc:* Glenn Henderson mailto:ghe...@gmail.com>>
*Subject:* Stus-List Re: Insurance
Did they require a full survey?
Glenn and Lindsey Henderson
C&C 41
WeGo
On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 3:48 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I recently received a renewal notice from GEICO (BoatUS).
They said my insurance premium was reduced (from $1256 to
$1226/year). Just for a check, I asked Progressive for a
quote. Their price for the same amount of insurance was
$487/year. I am now a Progressive customer.
Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR
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Stus-List Re: Insurance

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Well I just switched to Progressive this evening.  Geico refused to 
insure an American boat in Canada, while Progressive indicated it was no 
problem.  Now if I can print a copy of the policy we will see.  So far 
the only print copy I can find outlines what they will do when my dog 
dies.   I don't have a dog.  We hopefully not have to put it to test.


On 9/29/21 9:25 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List wrote:
I've had Progressive for the last twelve years.  Never had a claim.  
No survey required during that time.  I got it mostly for liability 
and becasue marinas require it, but my policy also has a stated "cash 
value" in case of loss.  Each year the premium drops a little, (like 
$20) so I always renew.


Chuck S
On 09/27/2021 4:11 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
 wrote:



I too am considering moving to Progressive to save ~ $1200 per year.

I have never had a claim except for towing and now I use Boat-US for 
that--$250/year which I may drop.


Before I switch, has anyone had any experience with the claims 
procedure/reimbursement from Progressive--good, bad or indifferent?


Saving money on insurance is a fools errand if you have to hire a 
lawyer to get them to pay a claim.


Charlie Nelson
36 XL/kcb Water Phantom
Greenville, NC


-Original Message-
From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
Sent: Mon, Sep 27, 2021 1:11 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance

They didn't ask me for a survey.
Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 9:48 AM Matthew via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


When I switched to Progressive this year, I was told that the
underwriting department would review the application and decide
if a survey was needed.  After reviewing the application, they
decided a survey was not needed.
Matt Wolford
1976 C&C 42 Custom
*From:* Glenn Henderson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
*Sent:* Saturday, September 25, 2021 10:57 AM
*To:* Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
*Cc:* Glenn Henderson mailto:ghe...@gmail.com>>
*Subject:* Stus-List Re: Insurance
Did they require a full survey?
Glenn and Lindsey Henderson
C&C 41
WeGo
On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 3:48 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I recently received a renewal notice from GEICO (BoatUS).
They said my insurance premium was reduced (from $1256 to
$1226/year). Just for a check, I asked Progressive for a
quote. Their price for the same amount of insurance was
$487/year. I am now a Progressive customer.
Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR
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Stus-List Re: Boat trucking recommendations

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

I would talk this over with Glenn at ATL no matter what.  If she could 
wait Glenn could work a back haul at reduced price.  They just moved a 
friends boat from Sodus to Buffalo as the truck was coming back from the 
west.  If it is a C&C they have already moved it once.  They have ICC 
permits for USA.


fdr


On 8/20/21 6:43 AM, Paul Fountain via CnC-List wrote:
We had good success with Andrews moving a 27 to the states when we 
moved there, and a 33 back to Canada. Both ways we got a back haul 
rate, when they have a truck moving empty to fetch a boat or return 
from a delivery. The return to Canada also was 2 up as they had a 
slightly smaller boat to bring back and both could fit on the trailer.


Talk to Glenn at Andrews, he may be able to help ……

Paul

*From:* Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Thursday, August 19, 2021 3:01:45 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Cc:* Della Barba, Joe ; Steve Thomas 


*Subject:* Stus-List Re: Boat trucking recommendations

She is an accomplished sailor and she lives on the boat now, has for a 
long time, as I said in my last sentence. Living on a boat at a marina 
is not as demanding as single-handed sailing. She sailed the boat from 
Seattle to the east coast but that was some time ago.


Steve Thomas



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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2021 2:35 PM
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boat trucking recommendations

She could save a ton of money sailing north instead of west.

If she really has to be in California, where slips are big $$$ and
hard to find with live-aboard slips being even harder, the money
might work out better to sell the boat and buy one already there.

I really really hate to say this, but if she can’t day-sail her
way to Texas, how long is she going to be able to be on the boat
at all?

Joe

Coquina

*From:* Steve Thomas 
*Sent:* Thursday, August 19, 2021 2:17 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Della Barba, Joe 
*Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Re: Boat trucking recommendations

It is the owner that is fragile, not the boat. She is in her
mid-70s, with bad bones in her back, and with stainless steel rods
holding things together. The boat is well looked after and just
had a haul out and a minor refit. She has been in Florida too
long, is fed up with it, and would much rather sail it back
through Panama herself but reluctantly admits she is no longer up
to the task. I have suggested it might be cheaper for her to work
her way around to Texas and truck it from there but again she
would need a sailing companion even for that. Money is not
unlimited and she is exploring her options. - A long-time
liveaboard sailor.

Steve Thomas

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2021 1:40 PM
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boat trucking recommendations

If the boat is too fragile to just sail to San Diego, is the
boat worth shipping across the country?

I could probably find a fragile old 35 foot boat for $25K in
California.

Also note the Canadian shipper **might** be able to ship the
boat to Canada and then ship her to San Diego, but you might
have to pay customs both ways ☹

Joe

Coquina




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Stus-List Re: moisture meter

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

http://www.pcmarinesurveys.com/Moisture%20meter%20mythology.htm

If you read to the end of this tutorial and still want to play with one, 
Wally has a recommendation, $40...


On 6/17/2021 9:52 PM, Gord via CnC-List wrote:


Does anyone have any recommendation for a moisture meter for 
fiberglass/C&C boats


Gord

Firefly

1994 C&C 34+


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Stus-List Re: Whale Foot pump 37+

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

It was standard issue on the C&C 29,  sorry no pic as Trudeau won't let 
us over the bordermaybe another owner can step up.


fdr

On 5/1/21 2:58 PM, rockland bazemore via CnC-List wrote:
Hey all, has anyone installed a whale foot pump on a 37+? There 
doesn't seem to be an obvious spot for it without cutting out some of 
the fiberglass under the sink area beneath the cabinet. Looks like one 
of those baby whale pumps may be better?

Photos would be awesome thank you!


-
Rockland Bazemore
S/V Blue Pearl
C&C 37/40+
Port Washington, NY

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Stus-List Re: Water along toe rail

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Install and learn to use Thunderbirdproblem solved

On 5/1/21 12:24 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List wrote:
I found a bunch of messages in my Spam folder. I have no idea why they 
are going there, but I'm getting pretty sick of Gmail.


Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On Sat, 1 May 2021 at 04:59, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


And about 50% of the time my responses don't post.  I responded to
this thread about using natural sponge and it never showed up on
the list.

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C&C 37/40+
"Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092
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Stus-List Re: Suez Canal

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

I would assume the  Suez pilot would be in controlbut the article on 
gCaptain indicated they had mechanical problems as well



On 3/24/21 5:15 PM, Adam Hayden via CnC-List wrote:
I have been following the story.   I feel kind of bad for master.  
 Sure we all run aground at some point but not only grounding the ship 
but jamming it diagonally across the Canal.  Not something I would 
want on my resume.


Adam
C&c 36
Pictou NS

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C&C 40

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Here ya go:

(I am suspicious of the third listing as it does not have a C&C cove 
strip and I have only seen 37ft models).  Maybe some C&C alumni could 
fill  us in on this project.  The one in the yard a NOTL seemed  to be 
rather large to me at the time.  I know of one based in Godrich, On some 
time ago.


fdr


http://www.yachtsfsbo.com/inquiry.php?ad_key=73702&d=1985_37_foot_C___C_CML_Trawler

https://boats.oodle.com/detail/c-c-cml-trawler-37-double-cabin/5454451039-miami-fl/

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1982/c-c-c-c-trawler-3730734/




On 3/18/21 4:12 PM, j...@dellabarba.com wrote:


Any links – I like to see those trawlers.

jOE

*From:* Doug Robinson 
*Sent:* Thursday, March 18, 2021 3:45 PM
*To:* j...@dellabarba.com; 'Stus-List' 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C&C 40

One on Yacht World, and one in Bay City Michigan at $49,000. I wonder 
how many were built?


On 3/18/21 3:38 PM, j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> wrote:

Are there any for sale anywhere? I haven’t seen one in years.

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C&C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

    *From:* Doug Robinson via CnC-List 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, March 18, 2021 3:30 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
*Cc:* Doug Robinson 
<mailto:doug.robins...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C&C 40

Nah...C&C built trawlers:

There are a few on the market and if anyone would like to spice up
this forum I would love to take a donation to keep up the variety.
I was aboard one in the yard at NOTL plant and it was lovely, an
adaptation of a commercial design they had done for the
Government.  At 37ft they are currently $50k+ which puts them outa
consideration for a 86yr skipper..sob

fdr

On 3/18/21 2:54 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List wrote:

Edd

You come to the wrong church with that stink-pot talk...just
sayin!

Tom B

At 09:03 AM 3/18/2021, you wrote:


Joe,

We are keeping an open mind, and much will depend one how
soon and how much the Enterprise-B sells for.

Big winds and big seas aren’t usually an issue here in
Southwest Florida and we’d like to get to places like
Tampa, Captiva Island, Sanibel, Naples, the Keys and even
the east coast or Bahamas without spending days to get
there. As Warp 7 (7 knots), Captiva is about 7 hours away.
And, it would be great to hop down to Boca Grande or Port
Charlotte for lunch without leaving before sunrise :-)

I think we are leaning towards a sedan bridge boat with an
open cockpit. Ones that we have liked so far are the
Meridian 341, the Carver 36 Mariner, the Sea Ray 400 SB,
the Regal 4080 Commodore, Carver 41 CMY, and so on.

I’m well aware of the fuel and maintenance costs along
with the issues of docking (I plan to add thrusters, if
the boat doesn’t have them), especially since my slip is
pretty tight and requires some maneuvering to pull in — I
couldn’t single-hand dock with this boat now anyway.

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL



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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C&C 40

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

One on Yacht World, and one in Bay City Michigan at $49,000.  I wonder 
how many were built?



On 3/18/21 3:38 PM, j...@dellabarba.com wrote:


Are there any for sale anywhere? I haven’t seen one in years.

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C&C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

*From:* Doug Robinson via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Thursday, March 18, 2021 3:30 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Doug Robinson 
*Subject:* Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C&C 40

Nah...C&C built trawlers:

There are a few on the market and if anyone would like to spice up 
this forum I would love to take a donation to keep up the variety. I 
was aboard one in the yard at NOTL plant and it was lovely, an 
adaptation of a commercial design they had done for the Government.  
At 37ft they are currently $50k+ which puts them outa consideration 
for a 86yr skipper..sob


fdr

On 3/18/21 2:54 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List wrote:

Edd

You come to the wrong church with that stink-pot talk...just sayin!

Tom B

At 09:03 AM 3/18/2021, you wrote:

Joe,

We are keeping an open mind, and much will depend one how soon
and how much the Enterprise-B sells for.

Big winds and big seas aren’t usually an issue here in
Southwest Florida and we’d like to get to places like Tampa,
Captiva Island, Sanibel, Naples, the Keys and even the east
coast or Bahamas without spending days to get there. As Warp 7
(7 knots), Captiva is about 7 hours away. And, it would be
great to hop down to Boca Grande or Port Charlotte for lunch
without leaving before sunrise :-)

I think we are leaning towards a sedan bridge boat with an
open cockpit. Ones that we have liked so far are the Meridian
341, the Carver 36 Mariner, the Sea Ray 400 SB, the Regal 4080
Commodore, Carver 41 CMY, and so on.

I’m well aware of the fuel and maintenance costs along with
the issues of docking (I plan to add thrusters, if the boat
doesn’t have them), especially since my slip is pretty tight
and requires some maneuvering to pull in — I couldn’t
single-hand dock with this boat now anyway.

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL



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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C&C 40

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Nah...C&C built trawlers:

There are a few on the market and if anyone would like to spice up this 
forum I would love to take a donation to keep up the variety. I was 
aboard one in the yard at NOTL plant and it was lovely, an adaptation of 
a commercial design they had done for the Government.  At 37ft they are 
currently $50k+ which puts them outa consideration for a 86yr 
skipper..sob


fdr

On 3/18/21 2:54 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List wrote:

Edd

You come to the wrong church with that stink-pot talk...just sayin!

Tom B

At 09:03 AM 3/18/2021, you wrote:

Joe,

We are keeping an open mind, and much will depend one how soon and 
how much the Enterprise-B sells for.


Big winds and big seas aren’t usually an issue here in Southwest 
Florida and we’d like to get to places like Tampa, Captiva Island, 
Sanibel, Naples, the Keys and even the east coast or Bahamas without 
spending days to get there. As Warp 7 (7 knots), Captiva is about 7 
hours away. And, it would be great to hop down to Boca Grande or Port 
Charlotte for lunch without leaving before sunrise :-)


I think we are leaning towards a sedan bridge boat with an open 
cockpit. Ones that we have liked so far are the Meridian 341, the 
Carver 36 Mariner, the Sea Ray 400 SB, the Regal 4080 Commodore, 
Carver 41 CMY, and so on.


I’m well aware of the fuel and maintenance costs along with the 
issues of docking (I plan to add thrusters, if the boat doesn’t 
have them), especially since my slip is pretty tight and requires 
some maneuvering to pull in — I couldn’t single-hand dock with this 
boat now anyway.


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL



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Stus-List Re: C&C Motorsailer

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Actually they were over in the St Catharine Airport and functioned as an 
independent company. The Niagara on the Lake Sailing Club had them as a 
commercial account along with C&C, later Hinterholler Yachts.  Viking 
Yachts in Toronto also used C&C produced hull designs.  There is also a 
Dutch builder of motor yachts in Port Weller (the name of which escapes 
me) and I have never seen an add for their product, but they are 
gorgeous and they sell everything that they turn out.


On 2/21/21 11:03 PM, Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote:
If you look at the ad closely, it says "C&C designed" which isn't 
the same as C&C manufactured...perhaps Rob Ball can shed some light?


Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1983 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, mile 596;


Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Sent: Sun, Feb 21, 2021 12:00 pm
Subject: Stus-List C&C Motorsailer

https://www.crusaderyachts.com/boats-for-sale/1982-aztec-nautilus-40-pilothouse-c-c-annapolis-maryland-7632888/
I had no idea C&C made these!
Joe Della Barba
Coquina C&C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA
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Stus-List Re: Atomic 4

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Joe,

I called and left you a contact, Joe Colautti services many of our 
members here in NOLSC.  Of late I have been doing mostly my own (I am a 
former Ford Model A owner), but I have used him in the past.


http://colauttimarine.com/

yr ftfl svnt etc.

Doug Robinson

On 2/18/21 1:49 PM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List wrote:

Good afternoon sailors
My refit of sailboat is almost done
Before spring I want to get my atomic 4 fired up and ready to go, 
presently the motor is my garage

I would like some guidance and help where to
Go other  than Moyer marine if there another place, I love them and 
appreciate there honesty

But need customer service or call back

I need help with how to get it started, maintain
And other things I don’t know about this motor
Hopefully I don’t have to put a new motor
You may call or text me at +19058181336
Have a great day

--
Joel Delamirande
*www.jdroofing.ca *


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Stus-List Re: C&C 27 Website

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

And then there is the wayback machine, bane of all politicians


On 2/13/21 8:47 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List wrote:
The internet archives takes images of web sites periodically and may 
have a copy. https://archive.org/web/  Stick the link there and see 
what they have.


Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


On Feb 13, 2021, at 4:29 PM, Stu via CnC-List  
wrote:



There are other alternatives not yet mentioned.  I am discussing 
these with the association at this time.
As for Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, etc.  it is a lot of maintenance 
to check and ensure these links are still active and are monitored 
properly.  I have been involved with a couple of bad experiences with 
social media, and therefore stay away from them.  Sorry but searching 
FB for C&C forums is up to you --- not me.
Remember too, if the 27 site is archived, somebody has to pay for the 
domain registration and hosting and also do some serious editing.

I’ll keep you posted.
Stay safe and healthy.
Stu
*From:* Peter Fell
*Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2021 7:11 PM
*To:* Stus-List
*Cc:* s...@snghost.com ; Richard Bush
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Re: C&C 27 Website
I've suggested:
1. On the CNC Photoalbum website there is a link to the C&C27 
website. Update that link to the location where the website gets 
archived.
2. Create a C&C 27 facebook page. In essence the FB page takes over 
for the forum on the 27 Association site. Note there is already a 
dedicated 27 Mark V FB page  this new one could be one focusing 
on Marks I through IV. I've offered to help out as an Admin of a FB 
page.
3. BEFORE the 27 Association site is archived, it be edited to 
provide notice / links to the FB pages. So ... someone looking for 27 
info may find the link to the static archived info and be directed to 
the I thru IV and V FB pages.
Stu  perhaps right now the links under 'C&C Groups' could be 
updated to include the several existing FB pages? ... C&C Sailors, 
C&C Sailboat Owners, C&C Sailboat Owners Group, C&C 27 Mark V Owners, 
C&C 110 Owners, C&C Mega 30 Owners  hmm ... quite a few aren't there!

Peter
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Stus-List Re: Huge Problem Found

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Well I am a Google Mail a/c and use Thunderbird as a replacement for 
Outlook and I have never had a problem.  Maybe you ought to replace 
Micro$oft with something that works.


fdr

Programming since 1963


On 12/28/20 7:04 PM, Stu via CnC-List wrote:
It has taken a while and quite a few man hours, but we may have found 
the source of some of our problems.
It’s called   MICROSOFT.  This company has designed it’s own spam 
filter to “protect” their customers from unwanted spam.  The problem 
is that their database is totally different than any of the other 100 
or so popular spam databases.
Once their computer programs determines some so-called spam coming 
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Re: Stus-List C&C29 MK1 Mast Step Replacement

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Yep, been there, done that and got the T shirt.  First time I noted the 
problem was when attending my first Owners meeting Rob Mazza asked the 
assembled owners how many had replaced the mast step and six or eight 
hands went up.   OMG wots this?   Second time on Saturday Morning before 
heading out to the YYC Level regatta we couldn't get the rig to tune.  
Damn mast step collapsed so the racing crew hunkered the mast up and we 
unscrewed the block and ran off to Scotty our shipwright in the yard and 
of course he had a block of oak in inventory for just such an occasion.  
He and our ship's carpenter (and mainsail trimmer by avocation) slipped 
in the new block and screwed it in place. It was then we observed that 
he drilled a limber hole in the block under the mast and swaged in a 
stainless drain pipe with the end knurled over to drain the stuff that 
comes down the mast.  (Lesson #1).  Whole procedure took 45 minutes and 
we converted a DNS to a late start and DNF for the first race.  That was 
1990 and we have since replaced it again, this time soaking the block 
for months in preservation chemicals.  (Lesson #2)


The real problem comes when the stringers under the block collapse due 
to the fact that they are not encased in fiberglass on the bottom.  Then 
you have to cut out the cabin sole and re glass in new stringers (and 
upgrade the sole to a nicer teak and holley deck).  That project would 
be above my paygrade and I would have some of the C&C alumni in the club 
tackle that.  I have seen it done once in our yard.  Meantime make damn 
sure the bilge stays dry and fit a garboard plug to keep that way while 
up on the cradle for the winter.  (Lesson #3)


It's no big deal and we have had discussions about casting an aluminum 
pillow block but its just easier and faster to fit a new oak block.


Doug Robinson

On 8/31/20 1:41 PM, Lee Goss via CnC-List wrote:

Dear C&C List members,

I have a C&C29 MK1 and over the weekend the mast step failed and the 
mast sank about 4 or 5 inches!


We suspect this is due to the mast step block having rotten away. But 
we won't know for sure until the mast is removed on Saturday.


We're hoping to fix the issue well enough to enjoy the remainder of 
the season on Lake Michigan. Does anyone have any advice on the best 
way to do this?


Furthermore, if anyone has photos of the process of replacing the mast 
step or dimensions for the block of wood etc we'd really appreciate 
it. At this point in time, we've never seen the mast step and don't 
know precisely what we're going to need to make the repair.


For reference: here's photos of the damage: 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/u9GBQpsTzUWkmrhZA


Many thanks in advance for any help.
Lee


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Re: Stus-List Listers Age Range

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Well I may be the oldest on the list (so far) but I have only owned 
Nemesis since 1983.  If the Redwing 30 is considered a C&C boat, I would 
think Andy Hooker who I have seen on here, might be the longest owner.  
If Sharks are C&C boats there may even be others.


Doug Robinson

On 7/15/20 10:49 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List wrote:

And we should add an award for the longest length of ownership!


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

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I was 10 when my boat was built and 14 when we bought her.


Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35? MK I
www.dellabarba.com 



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Re: Stus-List 2020 C&C Rendezvous: Cancel due to COVI

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Not gonna allow anyone from the colonies into Canada.sorry but 
Justin is right.  Boat is up on the cradle for the third year.



On 7/15/20 7:52 PM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List wrote:

Hey Doug
Do u want to meet I’m at port weller
Or if you need a sailing buddy let me know
I need some sail time

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 9:37 PM Doug Robinson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


86

C&C 29 MKI Nemesis

Niagara on the Lake, ON

On 7/14/20 9:33 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List wrote:

71

Sam Salter
C&C 26  Liquorice
Ghost Lake  Alberta


On Jul 14, 2020, at 6:36 PM, Thomas Perison via CnC-List
 <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

 57.
Therapy
C&C 29-2
Solomons MD

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 14, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List
 <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


What is the youngest age in this group and oldest
I’m 40

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 5:20 PM detroito91 via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I totally agree.  Now is not the time at our ages to gamble
with the virus. I have not left the house since march, and
not going to gamble now. It will end. We can schedule then
Stay safe
Jim Schwartz
SEA YA !
38 landfall
Washington nc



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


 Original message 
From: Robert Boyer via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Date: 7/14/20 3:36 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Robert Boyer mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com>>
Subject: Stus-List 2020 C&C Rendezvous: Cancel due to COVID-19?

Last year, I volunteered to host of the upcoming 2020
Mid-Atlantic C&C Rendezvous in Baltimore MD in
late-September.  We recently returned from the relative
safety of the Bahamas to a raging pandemic in the United
States and it is far from being over, even though Maryland
has done quite well in controlling the virus.  I am in my
seventies and catching COVID-19 could mean much more to me
than simply being sick for several weeks—it could be a death
blow.

Consequently, I am withdrawing as a host for the upcoming
rendezvous and I will not be attending one being held
elsewhere.  I strongly encourage that this year's rendezvous
be cancelled but that is up to everyone else on this list
who lives in the Mid-Atlantic area.  In my opinion, a
weekend get together (even with friendly C&C owners) is
simply not worth the risk of catching COVID-19.

So, I am throwing out the question to other possible
attendees, should this year’s rendezvous be cancelled?  And,
if not, who is willing to host it and where?

Bob

Robert Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C&C Landfall 38, Hull #230
(Spending hurricane season in Baltimore, winters in the
Bahamas, and on the ICW in between)
411 Walnut Street #11447

<https://www.google.com/maps/search/411+Walnut+Street+%2311447+Green+Cove+Springs,+FL+32043?entry=gmail&source=g>
Green Cove Springs, FL 32043

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Re: Stus-List 2020 C&C Rendezvous: Cancel due to COVI

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

86

C&C 29 MKI Nemesis

Niagara on the Lake, ON

On 7/14/20 9:33 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List wrote:

71

Sam Salter
C&C 26  Liquorice
Ghost Lake  Alberta


On Jul 14, 2020, at 6:36 PM, Thomas Perison via CnC-List 
 wrote:


 57.
Therapy
C&C 29-2
Solomons MD

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
 wrote:



What is the youngest age in this group and oldest
I’m 40

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 5:20 PM detroito91 via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I totally agree.  Now is not the time at our ages to gamble with
the virus. I have not left the house since march, and not going
to gamble now. It will end. We can schedule then
Stay safe
Jim Schwartz
SEA YA !
38 landfall
Washington nc



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


 Original message 
From: Robert Boyer via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Date: 7/14/20 3:36 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >
Cc: Robert Boyer mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com>>
Subject: Stus-List 2020 C&C Rendezvous: Cancel due to COVID-19?

Last year, I volunteered to host of the upcoming 2020
Mid-Atlantic C&C Rendezvous in Baltimore MD in late-September. 
We recently returned from the relative safety of the Bahamas to a
raging pandemic in the United States and it is far from being
over, even though Maryland has done quite well in controlling the
virus.  I am in my seventies and catching COVID-19 could mean
much more to me than simply being sick for several weeks—it could
be a death blow.

Consequently, I am withdrawing as a host for the upcoming
rendezvous and I will not be attending one being held elsewhere. 
I strongly encourage that this year's rendezvous be cancelled but
that is up to everyone else on this list who lives in the
Mid-Atlantic area.  In my opinion, a weekend get together (even
with friendly C&C owners) is simply not worth the risk of
catching COVID-19.

So, I am throwing out the question to other possible attendees,
should this year’s rendezvous be cancelled?  And, if not, who is
willing to host it and where?

Bob

Robert Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C&C Landfall 38, Hull #230
(Spending hurricane season in Baltimore, winters in the Bahamas,
and on the ICW in between)
411 Walnut Street #11447


Green Cove Springs, FL 32043


(443) 994-1802

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Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C&C Landfall 38

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Actually there are five Kubota dealers in the Caribbean

On 6/30/20 2:33 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List wrote:
You won’t see any Kubota tractor dealers in the Bahamas or the 
Caribbean...


Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere 
on the ICW in between)

blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

On Jun 30, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
 wrote:




Jeeze Bob, Sorry, I didn’t mean to ruffle your feathers, I was just 
relaying what this long time owner of a neighboring  C&C39 said.  He 
didn’t have the same top end in big waves as he had before the 
repower.   And As David mentioned, you can get parts for Beta’s 
anywhere they sell Kubota Tractors, which is everywhere in the 
world..  My 37.5 HP  is the same engine as my Mower, minus one 
Cylinder, so I could use the same Oil, filters, injectors, etc .


Bill Coleman

*From:*Robert Boyer [mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com]
*Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2020 1:06 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Bill Coleman
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C&C Landfall 38

I have all the power I need with my new Yanmar 3YM30AE.  I’m not sure 
where you are getting your information that you need more than 30 HP.


One big disadvantage of Beta is that there are not nearly as many 
parts distributors—this is more important if you cruise to foreign ports.


Bob

Bob Boyer

S/V Rainy Days (1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)

Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

Email: dainyr...@icloud.com

Annapolis, MD

(Presently in Baltimore MD for the summer)



On Jun 26, 2020, at 12:23 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
 wrote:




I agree, get yourself a nice Beta 37 ½ HP diesel, and a 3 blade
flex-a – fold. I replaced a 4-108 with one of those Kubota’s, the
mounting was about  2 inches narrower, I just had to get some 3”
aluminum (or maybe 4”) angle to replace the old steel angle.  You
will be amazed at how much lighter it is from the Perkins.

An old slip neighbor also had a 39, he replaced his atomic with a
30 HP Yanmar, and was disappointed with the loss in power.  But
it will still get you from A to B.

Bill Coleman

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf
Of *Gary Niemi via CnC-List
*Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:55 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Gary Niemi
*Subject:* Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C&C Landfall 38

We are American expatriates who have sailed our 1981 C&C Landfall
38 to New Zealand a decade ago. It has a Perkins 4-108, which is
on its last legs. It's not particularly reliable and is having
trouble with overheating in the last few years. Also, it's very
heavy and it is way too much power anyway. We're looking to
replace it with a more reliable, modern power plant.

So we have a couple of questions:

What is the correct power? I understand most were sold with
Yanmer 30hp 3HM or 3QM diesels. We like the idea of saving a lot
of weight with a smaller engine than the Perkins, as well as ease
of access, etc. However, we'd consider a 35 or 38 also if 30
horsepower wasn't enough power.

At the same time we'll be replacing the fixed 2 blade prop with a
3 blade feathering or folding prop, so will be looking for
recommendations for that. The current prop is totally wrong. I
think it's 16x14. We never were able to get up to the proper
engine speed with the 4-108. Can you recommend something? What
have people tried?

Interested in hearing others' experiences.

Gary Niemi
g...@niemi.co.nz 

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Re: Stus-List C&C 29 Mark 1 Rudder Installation Drawings

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Rod,

You might check w/ Rob at Southshore Yachts as he inherited all the 
design paperwork upon C&C demise.  (905 468 4340)  He or Cory would be a 
good source.  I don't know about bushings but my C&C 29 MkI has nylon 
washers riding on the shaft, not that I have looked but I have spares 
gleaned from the inventory that came back from Kiel when they sold the 
German operation.  There is also a grease fitting which never gets any 
love up under the stern counter.  Mine is a tiller version and most are 
wheels so your mileage may vary.


fdr

On 5/29/20 4:37 AM, Rod Stright via CnC-List wrote:


Does anyone have the diagram/drawing for the C&C 29 Mk 1rudder and 
rudder stock/shaft installation or photos of the fitting used where 
the rudder stock comes through the cockpit sole?  Asking for a friend 
who is trying to repair/rebuild his.  I understand these boats 
have/had no bushings.


Thanks

Rod Stright


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Re: Stus-List Water fill hose question

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

The hose was most probably sourced from an industrial hose source in St 
Catherines thru Doug Wood, it's where I get replacements. Rob or Cody at 
Southshore Yachts in Virgil could due the same and send you OEM 
replacements.   Since Justin has closed Canada it would be useful 
telephone time to get the job done.



On 4/2/20 11:58 AM, Matt Wolford via CnC-List wrote:


Listers:

    I need to replace some old 1 1/2” water hose that runs 
from the deck fill to the tank (probably about three or four feet).  
The hose is ribbed on the outside, very flexible, and has collars that 
screw on both ends so the hose clamps are not on the ribbing.  I 
didn’t see this type of hose at Defender.  I assume it was standard 
issue on 70s-era C&Cs.  Any thoughts as to a source for replacement?


    Thanks in advance.

Matthew L. Wolford
638 West Sixth Street
Erie, PA 16507
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If you are interest in using the NYS Canal System, you might start here (they also maintain a booth at major boat shows):  NYCanals.com Charts are available for downloading to Opencpn from the NOAA site via the chart command.    Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Neil Andersen via CnC-ListSent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 7:57 AMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: Neil AndersenSubject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C&Cs I don’t know the exact dates, but the canal depth is low in the winter and re-filled again in the spring. I would google next spring to see when they “re-open” it. Neil1982 C&C 32 FoxFireRock Hall, MD(formerly lived in central NYS) Neil Andersen20691 Jamieson RdRock Hall, MD 21661 From: CnC-List  on behalf of CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 12:14 AMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: CHARLES SCHEAFFERSubject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C&Cs  Do I have to google the controlling depth of the Erie canal?  Step up, New Yorkers.  What's up there?  Chuck, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Pasadena, Md   On November 26, 2019 at 6:57 AM "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List"  wrote: For tourism, portions of it may be great.  For commercial shipping between New York City and Buffalo, I believe it’s a thing of the past.  Portions can still be seen along I 86 between Erie and Corning.  I suspect it’s too shallow for my boat.   I’ll look into it.  Good idea.   From: Doug Robinson via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:10 AM To: Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List Cc: Doug Robinson Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C&Cs   Who ever told you the Erie Canal was defunct ?  Alive and well and lots of loupers headed around the system.well worth the trip at least once.  ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray    ___

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[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Who ever told you the Erie Canal was defunct ?  Alive and well and lots 
of loupers headed around the system.well worth the trip at least once.




/

On 11/25/19 9:57 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List wrote:

It doesn’t.
Niagara Falls and the Welland Canal are the two main “exits” from Lake 
Erie.  As I understand it, much of the flow going down the Niagara 
River is diverted for hydraulic power, and presumably there is more 
flow now going over the falls due to the high lake level.  Obviously, 
it’s not draining fast enough.  The Welland is used for commercial 
freighter traffic and is consequently well-controlled with locks.  It 
would likely be too disruptive to try to use the Welland as a drain.  
I believe the Erie Canal is largely defunct and was also controlled 
with locks.  Even if you could direct water through what’s left of 
that system, it would likely be overwhelmed before having much impact 
on the lake level.

*From:* Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2019 8:55 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Cc:* Joe Della Barba 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C&Cs

Next dumb question - assuming someone decides to lower Lake Ontario a 
bit, how well does that lower the other lakes, if at all?


It seems like too much flow could flood Montreal. Last time I was in 
Montreal the current headed east was pretty strong anyway, so I assume 
this really could effect slow boats headed upstream.


Joe

Coquina

On 11/25/2019 7:53 AM, Mike Taylor via CnC-List wrote:

Joe
The Moses-Saunders Power Dam ar Cornwall/Massena controls Lake 
Ontario and the out flow down stream.  There is a lot of controversy 
over the IJC Plan 2014.  The deciding factor is controlling the 
spring flooding at Montreal and depths for commercial traffic.  I’ve 
really simplified it, it is infinitely more complex.

IJC Plan 2014
https://legacyfiles.ijc.org/tinymce/uploaded/LOSLR/IJC_LOSR_EN_Web.pdf
Mike


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This is maybe a really dumb question – is there a way to drain them?

Does anything control the amount of water that heads out to sea down 
the St. Lawrence Seaway, Erie Canal, and so on?


Joe

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[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

FYI:  ATL (Andrews Truck Lines, Virgil Ontario).  Owners returning from 
the south do unstep the mast at Troy, restep them at Oswego and sail 
Ontario to the Welland.  Some continue on the raging Erie if under 12ft 
air draft on the way west to bypass the Welland.



On 11/25/19 9:53 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:


When we were in Montreal I saw few boats. I was informed they are all 
over at Lake Champlain. We would have to go the wrong way up the Saint 
Lawrence to get to the Great Lakes, I cannot fit under the bridges on 
the Erie Canal. Your trip going to the Bahamas sounds like more the 
right direction! I often wonder how our boat got to the East Coast. 
Did C&C motor them down the Erie with the masts unstepped? Go all the 
way out the long way via the Saint Lawrence? Trucks?


Joe

Coquina

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Mike Taylor via CnC-List

*Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2019 9:33 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Mike Taylor 
*Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Fwd: Fwd: Great Lakes water 
levels...for C&Cs


Joe

I lived in Montreal for a while and made the trip from there to the 
Thousand Islands four times in a Tanzer 26 with a 9.9hp strapped to 
the transom.  The current is very strong in several places, up to 4 - 
4.5 knots.  A times I thought I was go I get backwards😜.  I also went 
out the St. Lawrence in 2014 on my way to the Bahamas. It’s easy to do 
10 knots maybe more.  Did 13.1 motor sailing with the current around 
Tadoussac.


Mike



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*From:* Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
*Date:* November 25, 2019 at 8:56:28 AM EST
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Cc:* Joe Della Barba mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>>
*Subject:* *Re:  Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C&Cs*
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Next dumb question - assuming someone decides to lower Lake
Ontario a bit, how well does that lower the other lakes, if at all?

It seems like too much flow could flood Montreal. Last time I was
in Montreal the current headed east was pretty strong anyway, so I
assume this really could effect slow boats headed upstream.

Joe

Coquina

On 11/25/2019 7:53 AM, Mike Taylor via CnC-List wrote:

Joe

The Moses-Saunders Power Dam ar Cornwall/Massena controls Lake
Ontario and the out flow down stream.  There is a lot of
controversy over the IJC Plan 2014.  The deciding factor is
controlling the spring flooding at Montreal and depths for
commercial traffic.  I’ve really simplified it, it is
infinitely more complex.

IJC Plan 2014

https://legacyfiles.ijc.org/tinymce/uploaded/LOSLR/IJC_LOSR_EN_Web.pdf



Mike


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*Cc:* "Della Barba, Joe" 

*Subject:* *Re:  Stus-List Great Lakes water levels...for
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This is maybe a really dumb question – is there a way to
drain them?

Does anything control the amount of water that heads out
to sea down the St. Lawrence Seaway, Erie Canal, and so on?

Joe

Coquina

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Re: Stus-List Blue Seas Battery Switch Failure

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

I just replaced the old switches with a new BlueSea's panel and their 
ACS.  Simple device replaces all the trauma and gets the job done.


https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?name=blue-sea-systems-dual-battery-bank-management-panel&path=-1|328|229|2290006&id=1446905

On 11/18/19 9:15 PM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List wrote:

Shawn,

This arrangement allows the use of a starting type battery, which can 
deliver high current loads for short time but is not intended be 
drained significantly, on the starting bank,  and deep-cycle type 
which are intended to drain down to much lower level over a longer 
time, on the house bank.  It would depend your use and on how often 
you recharge whether this is important or not, to be sure.  And there 
are now dual purpose batteries, so it may be less of an issue if you 
use them.


One other reason for this system is that it prevents the starting 
voltage dip from shutting off your electronics on the house circuit,  
one of the main reasons I chose this.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

On 11/18/2019 7:52 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List wrote:
I can see why this is superior in isolating a battery/bank, but how 
often is that necessary? Is this just to prevent the good batteries 
from being drained by the bad one(s)? So if I had multiple house (or 
start) batteries, I could just additional on/off switches linked to a 
house or start bus, and a switch between the buses? Something to 
consider depending on how far I get carried away with my electrical. 
Currently I have 2 banks, with room for a 3rd, and just leave them 
combined all the time, as they are all 6V GC batteries. If I'm 
concerned, I could isolate one bank in case the sun stays away for 
too long (and we're not motoring at all), but so far that hasn't 
happened. And so far, the only significant load we have is the 
fridge, with minimal electronics. Once we add radar, that will change...

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com 
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 1:56 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I suggest changing to the linked setup.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1T4WnvplsWG_o9r6drc-FnhbTo0TJ4E_-/view?usp=drivesdk

Take this opportunity to do away with the 1-ALL-2 switch.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 1:13 PM Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Yesterday, my Blue Sea DC switch failed in a bad way —
essentially the plastic broke and the guts of the switch come
apart causing a flaky connection.   Seems this is a common
problem base on this forum:


https://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-forum/853223-blue-sea-battery-switch-failure.html

I emailed Blue Sea and await their response.

Four years ago I replaced the original old Perko switch when
I did a battery upgrade/rewire/shunt+monitor.  Now I’m
worried about simply replacing with the same one if it’s
prone to failure.

Luckily this happened at the dock but it could have been
really bad if I’d needed power in a hurry.

I’m now thinking I’ll wire up a “backup” bypass directly to
the starter in case this happens again or for jump starting,
etc.

Any thoughts on this from the collective wisdoms of this list?

Thanks,
  Jeremy
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Re: Stus-List C&C Lister Roll Call

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Nemesis

1976 C&C 29 Mk1

Orchard Parl, NY

Doug Robinson




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Re: Stus-List Folding & Feathering Prop Recommendations

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Yo "J Prop'rs"

We are currently running the two blade plastic prop on our CnC 29 as the 
JProp is on the bench for disassembly and cleaning.  You must use the 
requisite grease in the JProp or it gets all gummed up and won't feather 
easily.  It also on occasion reverses settings and forward becomes 
reverse and visa versaI don't know why but our rigger fixes it.  It 
replaced the Martec which is supposed to be  welded and refaced on 
occasion, which no one informed us and as a result our welder suggested 
we retire it and use it for a trophy of some kind.  We bought the J Prop 
as it was the only device that fits the C&C 29MkI and performance in 
reverse was considerably improved, our prop is offset.  Ken, notes that 
is adjustable and we carefully monitored what other 29 owners were 
trying, those that had Atomic 4's and followed their lead, saving 
considerable time and effort.  We all ended up using the offset of 5 for 
the Atom4.  We should note that distribution of this product has fallen 
to US Beta Marine distributor with the unfortunate demise of the dealer 
in Quebec, (it's an Italian product).  We are keen to get it back in 
operation as the plastic prop is designed for and is outstanding on the 
A4, but the Cornell engineer that design it has passed away and nobody 
was smart enough to pick it up and continue sales.  Hit something and 
you can't replace it.


The grease for the JProp is made in Canada by Shell for the maritime 
fisheries trade.  Unique


On 9/25/19 3:15 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List wrote:
Note that the "J Prop" is pitch adjustable while installed on the boat 
so it can be fine tuned for pitch while it is installed.


Ken H.

On Wednesday, 25 September 2019, Ken Heaton > wrote:

> Hi Bruce,
>
> Our boat was built with a Universal diesel but was re-powered in 
2001 by a previous Quebec City owner.  He wanted more horse power to 
fight the St. Lawrence River currents and tides so we now have a 
Yanmar 3JH2-TBE diesel.  This is a 47 hp. Turbo with a 3 blade 
feathering "J Prop", prop made in Italy.  Nice combination. Lots of 
go, plenty of reverse.  We're at about 1100 hrs. on this combination, 
400 we put on ourselves over the last 10 years.

>
> I'd buy another J Prop if I needed one.
>
> Ken H.
>
> https://www.betamarinenc.com/j-prop/
>
> 
https://ca.binnacle.com/p10220/J-Prop-Variable-Pitch-Propeller/product_info.html

>
> On Wednesday, 25 September 2019, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

>> Hello all,
>> I know this has been discussed a lot on the board in the past, but 
given the recent discussions of over-propping on the part of 
flex-o-fold, I'd like to re-ask the question.  The reason is that a 
folding prop is definitely in my future, as we have a fixed 3 blade 
prop on the boat now.  We also sail in an area where crab pots are 
extremely common from October through April.  For that reason alone I 
am leaning toward a folding prop.  I also saw the rather well put 
together article in which a test of folding and feather props was 
performed - the one touted on flex-o-fold's website.
>> By the way, in exchanging emails with flex-o-fold, they are 
recommending a 3 blade version, so if vibration is an issue with your 
two blade prop, that may not apply to me.
>> With all these considerations in mind, when it comes to a 
folding/feathering prop, what do you have, and why do you like it?

>> Looking forward to your insights,
>> Bruce Whitmore
>> 1994 C&C37/40+
>> "Astralis"

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Re: Stus-List C&C29 MK I Sails

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

OnnO;

Sent you instructions by PM on the North sails.  Let me know and I will 
forward the FedEx shipping docs toot sweet...


Doug





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On 9/10/19 5:03 PM, onno boswinkel via CnC-List wrote:
I have the following C&C29 sails. They haven't been used since 1991 
and they're free, except you pay the actual shipping cost.

1. 150% mylar, North, 1984
2. 150% dacron, Shore, 1977
3. 130% dacron, Thurston, 1985
4. 90% dacron, Shore, 1977
5. Main dacron, North, 1984
6. Main dacron, Shore, 1977

Onno Boswinkel
ANTIDOTE
C&C33 mk II


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