Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Tracy Hirsh via CnC-List]

For us along the upper Gulf Coast, PHRF TOT is used as the racing standard
but some clubs still offer Portsmouth TOD classes as well.

Tracy Hirsh

*Ogopogo*
1989 C&C 37+ CB
Fairhope, AL
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Re: Stus-List Fuel

[Tracy Hirsh via CnC-List]

I also use about 3/4 gph running 5-6 knots at 2000 rpm (or sometimes
slightly less depending on the chop and wind conditions).

I am running the original Universal M35 but, despite high mileage, it has
been maintained well and runs efficiently. I have a 2 blade, feathering Max
Prop.

Just as an aside, if the wind is pretty brisk and you can expect to be
heeling at 20 degrees, and you should expect that if you have sails up and
little crew, You should make sure you have more than 1/4 tank of fuel if
you will be motorsailing (running the engine while sailing). If the fuel
gets too low you run the risk of getting air in your fuel line when heeled
and the engine could be impossible to restart until the system is bled. You
can always remove and filter any fuel left in your tanks before you service
them and re-add the fuel.

Tracy Hirsh
SV Ogopogo
C&C 37+ CB
Fairhope AL
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Re: Stus-List Post to list

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Congratulations!
Its a beautiful boat and you can look forward to lots of fast races and
comfortable cruising alike!

Tracy Hirsh
Ogopogo
1989 C&C 37+ CB
Fairhope AL
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Propeller & Boat Speed

[Tracy Hirsh via CnC-List]

Ogopogo has her original Universal 35 engine with a 16" 2 blade Max Prop
feathering prop. I easily make 7+ knots at about 2400 rpm in smooth water,
usually 6-6.5 knots at 2200 rpm in our typical light chop.

Tracy Hirsh
Ogopogo
1989 37+/40 CB
Fairhope Alabama
On Jul 22, 2015 8:07 AM, "Ron Ricci via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I’m curious to see what kind of speed everyone gets on their 37/40. It is
> interesting to see that some listers get over 7 knots.  I’m lucky to get 5
> knots at 2500 rpm.  Above that rpm, there is not much of a noticeable
> change in speed, just noise.
>
>
>
> Here’s what Patriot has:
>
>
>
> ·3HM35F Yanmar 30 HP
>
> ·2.14 Gear Ratio
>
> ·16” Max-Prop – 2 bladed
>
> ·Right Rotation – from
> http://www.pyiinc.com/images/pdf/max-prop/PYI_Max-Prop_2_Blade_Instructions.pdf
>
> o   18°
>
> o   X = E
>
> o   Y (dot) = H
>
> o   Y (dot)(dot) = V
>
>
>
> Perhaps the 2 bladed prop is really that inefficient or my pitch should be
> changed.  Any advice will be appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> *Ron*
>
> Ronald V. Ricci
>
> S/V Patriot
>
> C&C 37+
>
> Bristol, RI
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Re: Stus-List Did you see the Dauphin island race disaster?

[Tracy Hirsh via CnC-List]

We had our C&C out on the bay for DI Race. We had already finished the race
and were headed back to Fairhope, just south of Middle Bay Light, when the
storm hit. It was a tremendous. It struck quickly and winds were sustained
36-58+ knots for about 30 minutes. Naturally we had all our sails up and
getting them down was a challenge but we did with minimal damage. I felt
very confident that the boat would hold up just fine to the conditions, it
was my crew I was most worried about! All came through just fine.

Here is a video that one of the participants put together if anyone is
interested.

57th Annual Dauphin Island Race


Tracy Hirsh
Ogopogo
1989 C&C 37+
Fairhope AL


On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
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> I hope none of our C&C buddies got caught in the mess. 2 confirmed
> fatalities. It's a long running race across Mobile bay to Dauphin Island.
> An afternoon thunderstorm freakishly turned into a full-on tropical
> depression with reported gusts up to 70 mph.
>
> Our thoughts are with the families.
>
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
>
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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Tracy Hirsh via CnC-List]

Definitely vote list.

I get to see every email under its own tab with Gmail and I chose which I
want to read. Many times I am reading not because I have an issue but to
learn a little more about my wonderful boat!

I know that I would not travel to a separate site and log in to scroll
through topics on a forum.

I like the idea of the gofundme account too. Keep us posted on that!

Tracy Hirsh
Ogopogo
1989 37+ CB
Fairhope AL
On Mar 13, 2015 4:32 PM, "Stu via CnC-List"  wrote:

>   Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like
> to have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an
> email list (like this one).
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> PROS:
> 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list
> 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
> 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
> 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
> 5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and
> undesirable subscribers blocked.
> 6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and
> view the latest topics since your last visit.
>
> CONS:
> 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional
> enhancements.
> 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting
> site. ()
> 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a
> bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.
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> Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?
> It does not matter to me.
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Re: Stus-List Navtec pump service on Upper Gulf Coast

[Tracy Hirsh via CnC-List]

Thank you Robbie.
I got a suggestion from Francois Rivard to try Zern Rigging in Pensacola. I
will let you know how it goes - Rick Zern will be closer for you as well!
Tracy
On Feb 4, 2015 7:47 PM, "Robbie Epstein via CnC-List" 
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> I had my Navtec pump and back stay cylinder rebuilt at Florida Rigging in
> St Petersburg a couple of years ago.  I live in Fort Walton and couldn't
> find anyone close by to do it.  They were easy to work with, and did a
> great job.
>
> Robbie
> 1980 C&C 40, Thorfinn
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Feb 4, 2015, at 2:28 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
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> > Stus-List Navtec pump service on Upper Gulf Coast
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Stus-List Navtec pump service on Upper Gulf Coast

[Tracy Hirsh via CnC-List]

Good morning all.

I remember a few months back there was some discussion about getting seals
replaced or other servicing work done on the Navtec hydraulic pump. The
consensus seemed to be that it was much cheaper and faster to get it done
by the local hydraulic shop.

My Navtec pump is leaking a little and my husband removed the unit last
weekend to take it to a local place that we knew had worked on one from
another C&C in the past. The idea was just to have the seals replaced as it
was still working fine, just dripping hydraulic fluid.

Unfortunately, the shop said they couldn't take it apart because they were
afraid to break it? Hmmm?

Does anyone on the Gulf Coast have a place they like? Prefer someplace from
Mobile to New Orleans but I am willing to go Pensacola to Fort Walton as
well. Mailing it off is next option.

I did look on the Lewmar website and that is a real maze! Found this:

Where can I find some one to service my hydraulics or rod rigging?Please
refer back to our agent list and the chart of service provided for the
closest servicing agent.

but not the lists they refer too!

We were hoping to get this little project completed in the next couple
weeks as the next race is Mar 7! We are already missing the February Sunday
club racing and don't want to be out of commission too long!

Thank you for any advice!

Tracy Hirsh
Ogopogo
1989 C&C 37+  CB
Fairhope, Alabama
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Re: Stus-List Awesome weekend coming - cruise alert!

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Dennis,

We are thinking about going over for the Blue Angels show in November too.
We will likely go over that Friday though and raft up with the Cruising
group from Fairhope Yacht Club. Would love to meet the Admiral and you if
we get the chance. Its great to put a face to the name!

Just in case you are interested, we are participating in the Double-Handed
Race this Saturday, Oct 25, and the goDaddy Bowl Regatta next Saturday, Nov
1. Class winners in the goDaddy historically receive game tickets as well
as t-shirts and trophies. Both races are hosted by Fairhope Yacht Club
 and run here in Mobile Bay. We usually have
some transient space on the t-piers and would love to have you come and
visit. Fairhope Visitor's Guide
 The club is within
walking distance of downtown and there is something going on most nights
right at the club.

You may come to visit us and decide to stay and go over to the show with
the group from Fairhope!

Tracy Hirsh
Ogopogo  1989 C&C 37+ CB
Fairhope, AL

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
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> Weather looks great for the Gulf Coast for the next 6-7 days.  Highs near
> 80, lows under 60 and no chance of rain.
>
> The Admiral and I are seizing the weather window and taking Touche' to
> Pensacola for a few weeks.  We want to watch the Blue Angels Home Show the
> weekend of Nov. 8.  We'll spend weekends there and bring it back to Lake
> Pontchartrain after Thanksgiving.
>
> Plan is to leave early Friday and get to Gulfport, MS (10 hours).  Then
> depart early Saturday and get to The Wharf Marina on the ICW at Orange
> Beach, AL (12 hours) in time to watch an evening football game.  On to
> Pensacola for lunch Sunday (4 hours).  Winds look light so probably have to
> motor but should be pleasant delivery anyway.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37/40 + Pricing

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We just bought our 1989 C&C 37+ CB this summer from South Florida. She was
in beautiful condition and a thorough survey by a C&C experienced surveyor
found no major issues. Our electronics are fairly new and all systems are
working well. Our sail inventory is good: 2 year old main, older but decent
shape laminate 155, good condition dacron 135, worn out dacron 110,
excellent symmetrical spinnaker, brand new North asymmetrical with ATN sock
and never used ATN storm sail with cuff for furled sail. While the engine
is original Universal M35, it has been well maintained and runs well. The
canvas on the boat included navy sunbrella covers for everything (including
a flat screen TV in salon) and a dodger with custom frame and bimini. Kato
davits and an outboard hoist are mounted at the stern and the purchase
included a 10' Caribe dinghy with 8hp Johnson motor.

While we paid a little more than many of the other 37+ listed, $92,500, we
wanted the CB version for Mobile Bay where we we spend most of our time
club racing with the occasional longer race along the upper Gulf Coast or
possibly to Mexico. We have been "practicing" in our club Sunday races
since we brought her back in July (that was a fun trip too!). We raced our
first local regatta last weekend and crossed the line 5th out of 38 boats.
It should be noted that about half of those boats raced spinnaker - we did
not. In fact, we didn't even bother to take down our dodger or bimini this
time (taking down the bimini requires disassembly to get it off around the
backstay) nor did we remove any of "extra gear" down below. We used the #2
and had a crew of 6 - 4 actually crewed, 1 took a nap and 1 keep beer and
sandwiches available to all. Not bad for our first race. I expect that,
when we decide to get a little more serious, we could be polishing a lot of
silver! This is a fast boat. We are very happy with the layout,
construction and performance of our new baby.

It doesn't sound like the one you are looking at is in all that great of
shape but not that bad either. Draft was very important to us but so was
condition. We purchased a fixer-upper for the last boat and never quite
found the time to do all the things we were going to. It had classic lines,
raced well and was reliable but never was beautiful. Think about your
available funds and time when you are making your decision. If you have the
time and money to spend bringing this one back you will have a great boat.
If you want to think about ones closer to where they should be:

we looked at this one in St. Pete (WK with 5'11" draft)
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1989-C%26amp%3BC-37-102034453
A real deal could be had here.

We also saw another CB on our delivery trip. It was, I think, a 93 37+ CB
located in Factory Bay Marina, Marco Island, FL. It isn't currently listed
but owner let us look at it with the couple with us on our trip. Not as
clean but still good shape. Worth talking to him if you are interested in
the CB model.

Good luck whichever way you go - the 37+ is a fantastic boat and you will
really enjoy it!


Tracy Hirsh
Ogogpogo   1989 C&C 37+ CB
Fairhope, AL


On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 6:37 PM, David Roberts via CnC-List <
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>
>
> I have posted about this boat a few times to this list a got great
> feedback, so here I go again. I am looking at a 1989 C&C 37/40 +; 7.25’
> draft; two spreader, so we are talking about the cruiser not XL or R, I am
> thinking still fast. Any how the boat needs new upholstery, all new running
> rigging, the traveler is stiff even though there is no load on it (mast is
> down.) I have not had a chance to look at the sails yet but the description
> list  them as:
>
> Main (Sobstad, Dacron,) Good Condition
> #3 Jib(North, Dacron)Like New
> #2 Jib(Sobstad, Dacron) Good Condition
> #2 Jib (North, Dacron) Excellent Condition
> Cruising spinnaker with sock (North, Nylon) Good Condition
>
> So I am thinking I may have to replace the Main soon, there is no mention
> of a #1, Is that normal not to have a #1 on this boat?
>
>
>
> The boat has not been in the water for 7 years. The deck and hull seem to
> show normal wear as to what I would expect for a 26 yr old boat. The engine
> looks like it may have been overheated at some point. The teak and holly
> flooring in the salon area has been refinished and my understanding is that
> the boat was not covered the first year it was on the hard at the dealer
> and it filled the bilge and beyond with water and ruined the floors. So
> maybe I should be concerned with the hull If it froze. There are a large
> number of little repairs that need attention. Lastly the stern looks like
> it has been bumped a number of times so that rear edge needs repair.
>
>
>
> I have been watching this boat for 2 years now, just as I started a new
> business so buying a boat was out of the question four years ago. I have
> been sure that someone would come along and buy it. Once they move the boat
> inside to buff it out an

Re: Stus-List Landfall 38

[Tracy Hirsh via CnC-List]

I have heretofore been a quietly appreciative reader of the posts here at
the list but I feel compelled to post to this subject. We own a 37+
Centerboard and we LOVE it!

We also were looking for something we could do some coastal cruising in
but, we have been avid Sunday racers in a Pearson 30 and then a Tartan 30
for the past 22 years. We didn't want to give up racing or any chance of
winning for the potential of getting a few cruises in each year with the
kids. After about a year of research and looking at boats, we narrowed our
search down to 2 boats: the Sabre 402 and the C&C 37+. With their interior
layouts very similar, the C&C was our choice due to ease of handling. My
husband has single handed it successfully in Sunday races on numerous
occasions. Here our main competition on Sundays is an e33, an Olson25, an
S2 7.9 and sometimes the U20s. Most are considerably smaller, much lighter
boats. If we have any wind at all we have no trouble keeping up and, with
8-12 kts, we can usually come from our last-to-start position and catch
them all in the 5 miles of the standard club race. No fancy sails or
equipment needed. It has been a fun boat to race and it is a dream to
cruise, even with teenagers aboard!

Here on the Gulf Coast and, in particular, Mobile Bay, depth is always an
issue and with our 4'11" up to 7' draft we have no problems. Although there
is potential for problems with the centerboard due to its configuration (we
- my 16 year old daughter - dropped it accidentally once from full up and
broke the cable AND tore/pushed out the lead on the keel housing), a little
diligence, ie keeping the centerboard line tied on the cleat until you
actually mean to let it out, has kept disaster at bay.

A lot of the 37+ boats have the wing keel configuration. This draws 5'11".

I highly recommend the 37+, which is a 39'6" OAL boat, over the LF38 for
racing. It was designed for it! For cruising they have similar attributes.
Check them both out and see what you think.


Tracy Hirsh

SV Ogopogo  1989 37+ (37/40) CB

Fairhope AL




On Sep 17, 2014 1:19 PM, "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
>I cruise and race a 34+ (AKA 34/36, 36XL, 34/36 XL)
>
>Due to it's relatively new design, it's very roomy for it's size: King
>size berth in the aft stateroom, + normal person sized twin bed in the
>salon + normal person sized v_berth + separate shower stall.  And so far,
>it's a killer around the cans.   We have raced it a few times and when we
>have our act together we leave the cruiser fleet behind and make the sport
>boats guys wonder what happened...
>
>As an additional point, 2 races into it the lake PHRF committee was at
>my dock double checking my measurements to make sure I wasn't cheating :-)
>
>No cheating, I did install a 2 bladed Martec folder and my bottom was
>stripped down / painted with 3 coats of Trinidad Pro / wet sanded with 320
>grit paper / burnished with a bronze wool fitted to a high speed buffer.
> My sails are original "Cast Iron Heavy" Haarstick Dacron from 1990 but
>they have not been used much have a good shape according to the loft.  They
>are not fancy plastic sails like most of my competitors use.
>
>Compared to the LF 38, The 34+ has a longer waterline, is about 4000
>lbs lighter, and has a bigger sail area..  Being high power / relatively
>low weight it's more work to sail and a bit tender but it's a hoot to sail.
>
>
>If you want comfy / less work / less fiddling with multiple adjustment
>the LF makes sense.  If you want a surprisingly comfortable racer / cruiser
>the 34+ series are hard to beat,  being pretty light it's great in light
>air and "almost sport boat" maneuverable.
>
>Tomatoes / Tomahtoes  :-)
>
>Good Luck.
>
>Best regards,
>
>-Francois
>1990 34+  "Take Five"
>Lake Lanier, Georgia
>
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