Re: Stus-List C&C 37/40 + Pricing

[Us via CnC-List]

Considering all of the other production boats on the market and knowing the way 
these boats are built in comparison (owned 2, sailed/raced on 4), I am 
wondering what your frame of reference is. Regardless and fortunate  for us, 
these boats were maintained and without "issues". 

Sorry for your loss.


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> On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:37 AM, Michael Cotton  wrote:
> 
> These are beautiful fast boats but very poorly constructed. Backstay chain 
> plates are a known weak point . The Tabling from hull to bulkhead is spotty. 
> Owned one - never again.
> Michael Cotton
> Ex 37+ c/b owner
> 
> 
> On Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:27 PM, Us via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good evening all. We looked at this boat during our search back in 2011. The 
> dealer purchased this boat awhile back and they have had it on the hard 
> uncovered for awhile. We found a surveyor in Michigan we used on several C&C 
> boats in the Great Lakes before we found Obsession and he was nice enough to 
> take an informal look at it and we were told the balsa panels in the hull 
> were dry. At that time the cabin sole was fine. Sorry to hear it has 
> deteriorated.
> 
> I would go for a survey, the boat has been sitting for quite awhile at some 
> point the dealership will need to budge.
> 
> Joanne 
> S/V Obsession
> C&C 37/40+
> 
> 
> 
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>> On Sep 25, 2014, at 11:21 PM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> 
> 
> David,
> 
> Let me address one issue - the teak and holly cabin sole on my boat had the 
> identical issue as this boat you're considering, it had sat on the ground for 
> some time with water above the sole (fortunately below the A4 front 
> crankshaft "seal"...).  This spring I finally addressed it by using a paint 
> stripper to remove what was left of the varnish, hit with an orbital sander 
> w/60 grit and took off all the faded wood - total thickness is 3/8" so not 
> big deal - and refinished it.  It came out beautifully, if I may so myself.  
> That item shouldn't be a show stopper, just a little elbow grease.
> 
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly, 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
> 
> 
>> On 9/25/2014 7:37 PM, David Roberts via CnC-List wrote:
> 
>  
> I have posted about this boat a few times to this list a got great feedback, 
> so here I go again. I am looking at a 1989 C&C 37/40 +; 7.25’ draft; two 
> spreader, so we are talking about the cruiser not XL or R, I am thinking 
> still fast. Any how the boat needs new upholstery, all new running rigging, 
> the traveler is stiff even though there is no load on it (mast is down.) I 
> have not had a chance to look at the sails yet but the description list  them 
> as:
> Main (Sobstad, Dacron,) Good Condition 
> #3 Jib(North, Dacron)Like New 
> #2 Jib(Sobstad, Dacron) Good Condition 
> #2 Jib (North, Dacron) Excellent Condition 
> Cruising spinnaker with sock (North, Nylon) Good Condition 
> So I am thinking I may have to replace the Main soon, there is no mention of 
> a #1, Is that normal not to have a #1 on this boat?
>  
> The boat has not been in the water for 7 years. The deck and hull seem to 
> show normal wear as to what I would expect for a 26 yr old boat. The engine 
> looks like it may have been overheated at some point. The teak and holly 
> flooring in the salon area has been refinished and my understanding is that 
> the boat was not covered the first year it was on the hard at the dealer and 
> it filled the bilge and beyond with water and ruined the floors. So maybe I 
> should be concerned with the hull If it froze. There are a large number of 
> little repairs that need attention. Lastly the stern looks like it has been 
> bumped a number of times so that rear edge needs repair.
>  
> I have been watching this boat for 2 years now, just as I started a new 
> business so buying a boat was out of the question four years ago. I have been 
> sure that someone would come along and buy it. Once they move the boat inside 
> to buff it out and give a good cleaning; made a repair or two, when I saw it 
> was gone my heart dropped. I later found out that they did not sell it. Now 
> that the business is coming along and we can make the payment I am wondering 
> why it has not sold. Maybe it is the 7.25’ draft is an issue on Lake Michigan 
> we are up 18’ this year but the past 10 years we have been trending down. 
> There are a lot of smaller harbors you can’t get in with that draft. That is 
> not a problem for hardcore racers. They don’t go to those harbors, but I 
> don’t think they would be interested in the Std rig. We race beer can, a few 
> port to ports, and cruise.
>  
> They are asking

Re: Stus-List C&C 37/40 + Pricing

[Us via CnC-List]

Good evening all. We looked at this boat during our search back in 2011. The 
dealer purchased this boat awhile back and they have had it on the hard 
uncovered for awhile. We found a surveyor in Michigan we used on several C&C 
boats in the Great Lakes before we found Obsession and he was nice enough to 
take an informal look at it and we were told the balsa panels in the hull were 
dry. At that time the cabin sole was fine. Sorry to hear it has deteriorated.

I would go for a survey, the boat has been sitting for quite awhile at some 
point the dealership will need to budge.

Joanne 
S/V Obsession
C&C 37/40+



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> On Sep 25, 2014, at 11:21 PM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> Let me address one issue - the teak and holly cabin sole on my boat had the 
> identical issue as this boat you're considering, it had sat on the ground for 
> some time with water above the sole (fortunately below the A4 front 
> crankshaft "seal"...).  This spring I finally addressed it by using a paint 
> stripper to remove what was left of the varnish, hit with an orbital sander 
> w/60 grit and took off all the faded wood - total thickness is 3/8" so not 
> big deal - and refinished it.  It came out beautifully, if I may so myself.  
> That item shouldn't be a show stopper, just a little elbow grease.
> 
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly, 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
> 
> 
>> On 9/25/2014 7:37 PM, David Roberts via CnC-List wrote:
>>  
>> I have posted about this boat a few times to this list a got great feedback, 
>> so here I go again. I am looking at a 1989 C&C 37/40 +; 7.25’ draft; two 
>> spreader, so we are talking about the cruiser not XL or R, I am thinking 
>> still fast. Any how the boat needs new upholstery, all new running rigging, 
>> the traveler is stiff even though there is no load on it (mast is down.) I 
>> have not had a chance to look at the sails yet but the description list  
>> them as:
>> Main (Sobstad, Dacron,) Good Condition 
>> #3 Jib(North, Dacron)Like New 
>> #2 Jib(Sobstad, Dacron) Good Condition 
>> #2 Jib (North, Dacron) Excellent Condition 
>> Cruising spinnaker with sock (North, Nylon) Good Condition 
>> So I am thinking I may have to replace the Main soon, there is no mention of 
>> a #1, Is that normal not to have a #1 on this boat?
>>  
>> The boat has not been in the water for 7 years. The deck and hull seem to 
>> show normal wear as to what I would expect for a 26 yr old boat. The engine 
>> looks like it may have been overheated at some point. The teak and holly 
>> flooring in the salon area has been refinished and my understanding is that 
>> the boat was not covered the first year it was on the hard at the dealer and 
>> it filled the bilge and beyond with water and ruined the floors. So maybe I 
>> should be concerned with the hull If it froze. There are a large number of 
>> little repairs that need attention. Lastly the stern looks like it has been 
>> bumped a number of times so that rear edge needs repair.
>>  
>> I have been watching this boat for 2 years now, just as I started a new 
>> business so buying a boat was out of the question four years ago. I have 
>> been sure that someone would come along and buy it. Once they move the boat 
>> inside to buff it out and give a good cleaning; made a repair or two, when I 
>> saw it was gone my heart dropped. I later found out that they did not sell 
>> it. Now that the business is coming along and we can make the payment I am 
>> wondering why it has not sold. Maybe it is the 7.25’ draft is an issue on 
>> Lake Michigan we are up 18’ this year but the past 10 years we have been 
>> trending down. There are a lot of smaller harbors you can’t get in with that 
>> draft. That is not a problem for hardcore racers. They don’t go to those 
>> harbors, but I don’t think they would be interested in the Std rig. We race 
>> beer can, a few port to ports, and cruise.
>>  
>> They are asking $79K but I don’t think that is anywhere close to a good 
>> number. I have been in my current   boat for 15 years so it has been 
>> some time sense I have been in the buyers chair. Do I get the survey first, 
>> or make an offer and if it is accepted then get the survey. But how do I 
>> determine a value without the survey?
>>  
>> I am interested in what others have paid recently for the same model and 
>> what condition it was in. I am try to come to a fair offer.
>>  
>> David Roberts
>> (224) 280-6217
>> ddr1...@gmail.com
>>  
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans

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Ok, here's a response from a woman.

I married into sailing. Started with a small boat, took trips to New England 
and the Caribbean on  charters in significantly larger boats (where my love for 
C&C began). I learned to love the lifestyle and a bit of racing but what really 
shifted my thinking was crewing on someone else's boat. 

Consider this, expectations are high and so is pressure when sailing with a 
spouse. When sailing on another accomplished skippers boat as added crew, you 
see how the experienced crew handles everything and before you know it you 
relax,  a few years have passed, and your right there with them, loving every 
second.

I wouldn't expect every wife to catch the bug I did, but they might certainly 
see sailing from a different perspective and enjoy it more with a higher level 
of confidence.

I know on Lake Lanier and other bodies of water there are some very patient and 
good skippers that would welcome a learning spouse. I'd be happy to help as 
well...

Joanne Mocny
S/V Obsession
C&C 37/40+

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> On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Try Womanship - they have a school in Annapolis, but hold classes in the 
> Caribbean.
>  
> A friend went - loved it.
>  
> Gary
> - Original Message -
> From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List
> To: Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
> 
> Dennis / others,
> 
> Do you have any recommendations for such a course, preferably somewhere warm 
> and with some considerable learning opportunities (moving from very competent 
> crew to command / self-sufficiency, not basics)?  Bev / other female listers, 
> I'd be interested in your opinions too.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tim
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:31 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Don't just send your lady to sailing lessons.  Send her to a week long 
>> ladies only sailing class.  It's a LOT different than taking lessons with a 
>> coed group.  She will not just get sailing lessons, she will get emotional 
>> support, counselling, share experiences with other women, etc.  Chances are 
>> it will be a much more positive experience for her.
>> 
>> I've had a couple lady friends do it and they absolutely swear it's the only 
>> way to learn sailing.  
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I'll let you guys know how the lessons help.. 
>>> 
>>> Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw 
>>> something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be 
>>> screwed-up was already taken care of  so no one really cared.  No amount of 
>>> screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse.  :-) 
>>> 
>>> Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result. 
>>> 
>>> Talking to other wifes.. It depends,  At the club parties it runs the 
>>> gammut from enthusiastic sailor ladies to killjoys that never come out 
>>> sailing, just show up for parties..  When she runs into the lather all they 
>>> say is too hot, too cold, too windy, too sunny, too humid, etc, etc.   then 
>>>  I'm loosing ground.
>>> 
>>> I'm banking on the lessons..  Truth to be told, if you're that much not 
>>> into the boating thing, just sitting around on a boat is not much more fun 
>>> than sitting around anywhere else.. Especially given the fact that on the 
>>> lake, when it's (Really) windy, it's usually not very sunny, often a bit 
>>> coldish,  so you have to look at the big picture to appreciate what's going 
>>> on.  
>>> 
>>> On the plus she's fairly athletic so maybe once she told what's what by 
>>> someone else andunderstands better what's going on she'll get into 
>>> the workout / physical side of it and get a little rush that way... 
>>> 
>>> I guess that's typical boat stuff:  one more thing to figure out...
>>> 
>>> -Francois
>>> 1990 34+ "Take Five" 
>>> Lake Lanier, Georgia.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Custom tint gelcoat in quarts

[Us]

Thanks Dennis! Happy New Year to all!!!  
Cold and windy with a threat of a dusting of snow this weekend, rare for us 
here in the Georgia foothills...

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> On Jan 2, 2014, at 10:36 AM, "Dennis C."  wrote:
> 
> I just got an email from fibreglast.com that they now offer tinted gelcoat in 
> quarts.  $55 / qt, $115 / gal.
> 
> They rent color books for 30 days for $5.  You rent a color book, match your 
> deck, whatever, then order the gelcoat by the color number.  I've done it and 
> it works well.  Beats trying to custom tint it yourself.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List C&C (1990) gelcoat epoxy adhesion

[Us]

Sorry Steve, wish I could help instead I must defer to the collective. No 
experience in this regard...

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> On Dec 30, 2013, at 8:45 PM, Steve Thomas  wrote:
> 
> 
>  All this talk about gelcoat matching has got me thinking about everyone's 
> seemingly universal preference for using epoxy (West
> system in particular) for doing repairs. I am contemplating the purchase of a 
> boat that I know has a couple of soft deck issues,
> and it seems to me that since this is an all too frequent repair, how does 
> one get the gelcoat to stick? I don't want to use
> paint. Gelcoat manufacturers say don't do it. West says get rid of any amine 
> blush, do everything by the book with the epoxy, and
> it should be ok. Anyone had problems with this, or is it just a bit of over 
> caution on the part of gelcoat manufacturers as West
> claims?
> 
> Steve Thomas
> C&C27 MKIII
> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C (1990) gelcoat matching

[Us]

Kirk,

Thank you for sharing your experience, it's in line with Wally and Dennis's 
comments. One of the suppliers has gallons for 100. Which is a far cry better 
than a Florida source at 350. A gallon. I'm going to try  Pete's at Niagara on 
the lake before we make a final decision on the next step.

Thanks all, you've been great

Joanne
C&C 37/40+

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> On Dec 30, 2013, at 8:20 PM, kirk sneddon  wrote:
> 
> I used a company that custom mixed gel coat color, much like they do with
> custom color matching at paint suppliers. They required a small chip for
> color matching. The match was spot on and after three years you have to look
> very closely to see the repair. As time goes on they will probably divert a
> bit more. I recently rebidded some deck hardware and can attest to the fact
> that the deck and hull have faded significantly since new (1983) and that
> using the original color would likely result in significant mismatch
> 
> If of interest I can go looking for the can and try and get the company
> name. The downside is that minimum quantity is 1 gallon, at about $150.
> 
> Kirk Sneddon
> C&C 29 Mk II
> Flying Cloud
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Us
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 8:10 PM
> To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C (1990) gelcoat matching
> 
> Wally,
> 
> Thank you for prepping me for what could be a challenging task but I'm not
> ready to let this one go yet.
> 
> Joanne
> C&C37/40+
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2013, at 9:49 PM, Wally Bryant  wrote:
>> 
>> I hate to sound like Eeyore, but it's hopeless. 
>> <http://blogs.disney.com/oh-my-disney/2013/09/17/12-amazing-witticisms
>> -from-eeyore/>
>> 
>> Even if you get a perfect match now, it won't age the same and will
> probably mismatch in a few years.  Or you can mismatch it now, and hope that
> in a few years it will age to match the rest, but it probably won't.
>> 
>> I've done a few gelcoat mismatches, and after too much effort said F it
> and moved on.  12 years later I don't even notice, and they're on the cabin
> top in the cockpit.  When I bought the boat, I noticed a couple of small
> gashes in the topsides gelcoat that went down to the laminate, just under
> the toe rail on the port side.  Somebody offered to take my money to fix
> them, but I was focused on bigger projects (rig) at the time.  I guess
> they're still there.  The boat sails just fine.
>> 
>> Wal
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C (1990) gelcoat matching

[Us]

David,

Yes, we've been over every inch when we transported her home. Pleased to say no 
surprises abound negative or positive  

Thanks for the reminder to look about.

Joanne
C&C 37/40+

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> On Dec 30, 2013, at 4:13 PM, "David Blair"  wrote:
> 
> When I bought my 1990 34+ I was rooting around in the nooks and crannies of 
> the stern somewhere and found a mysterious small cardboard box – in it were 
> 2-3 small cans of gelcoat touch up with the factory markings. Suspect it was 
> never found by the original owner over the years. Have you had a good look 
> around your boat?
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
> Thomas
> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:56 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C (1990) gelcoat matching
>  
> Dennis has already responded.
> Look back through the posts.
>  
> Steve.
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of 
> themo...@gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 3:45 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C (1990) gelcoat matching
> 
> Thanks for the response. If I don't hear from Dennis, I'll contact him.
>  
> Joanne
> C&C 37/40+
>  
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
> 
> 
> Joel Aronson  wrote:
> 
> Dennis knows of one. He gave me the name but I never got to that project. 
> 
> On Sunday, December 29, 2013, Us wrote:
> I hope this finds everyone relaxed and happy after Hanukkah and the Christmas 
> season.
> We are in the process of completing a small repair on our hull and are having 
> a problem matching the gelcoat. It appears that most of the available gelcoat 
> is a few shades off (cream vs our grey-ish tint). Not acceptable in our 
> book
> 
> Has anyone had success with gelcoat suppliers and matching the 1990 tint? We 
> are looking for a match and really only need a cup. Primary concern is 
> the match.
> 
> Joanne
> C&C 37/40+
> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C (1990) gelcoat matching

[Us]

Dennis, all,

I really appreciate your support for our most precious Obsession. Your guidance 
has been important and you've all given me some good leads I hope will get us 
to a place we are satisfied with on the touch up. 

Dennis, Glad to hear your helmet is getting used, ouch on needing a second one 
just remember to stay on the paths

No snow in Georgia, it's still sailing season :-)

Joanne
C&C37/40+

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> On Dec 29, 2013, at 10:16 PM, "Dennis C."  wrote:
> 
> I do wear a helmet.  I'm on my second one.  If it wasn't for the first one, I 
> might not have the opportunity to wear the second one.
> 
> As to Wally's point about new gelcoat fading, he's correct.  Another reason 
> to err a wee bit to the dark side.  The existing gelcoat on an older boat has 
> already faded.  New gelcoat will also fade.  The fading will be fairly 
> insignificant but will occur none the less.
> 
> Also, new gelcoat is more sensitive to solvents.  
> 
> Another tip, never tape the area for a gelcoat repair.  If the color is a bit 
> off, the sharp tape line will make it all the more noticeable.  It's best to 
> spray the gelcoat and "feather out" the margins so it blends into the 
> existing gelcoat.
> 
> To spray gelcoat, mix in wax additive, activate it, thin it 10% with styrene 
> (not acetone) and spray.
> 
> Otherwise paint or roll it on thick and be prepared to do it again.  Because 
> it rarely applies smoothly, you will likely end up with spots the will 
> sand/polish down so the original surface shows through.  Just slap on some 
> more and sand and polish again.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> From: Us 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
> Cc: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 5:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C (1990) gelcoat matching
> 
> Good to hear from you, sounds like fun, I hope your wearing a helmet
> Thank you for the tips and lead on the gelcoat, I will certainly look into 
> this - can't stand imperfection.
> 
> Don't forget the hot buttered rum after the last run. ;-)
> 
> Joanne
> C&C 37/40+
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Dec 29, 2013, at 1:55 PM, "Dennis C."  wrote:
> > 
> > Well, it found me at the top of Keystone mountain between snowboard runs. 
> > Relaxed, maybe. Happy, definitely. 
> > 
> > As to your question and Joel's post. Yep. I do know. I just repaired a 
> > Hobie 33 doing this. It may not suit your style but it works well. The 
> > Hobie repair was nearly invisible. 
> > 
> > Rent a gelcoat color book from Fibreglast.com. Compare the color samples to 
> > several spots on your boat at different sun angles. That is, morning, noon 
> > afternoon. Order a gallon of the color that matches best. 
> > 
> > If choosing between two, pick the darker.  Two reasons: lighter than 
> > existing will look like a repair, darker will look like dirt or stain. 
> > Second, most gelcoats cure slightly lighter. 
> > 
> > You may balk at the $99 a gallon price but your results will be worth it. 
> > 
> > Dennis C.
> > Touché 35-1 #83
> > Mandeville, LA
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Dec 29, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Us  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I hope this finds everyone relaxed and happy after Hanukkah and the 
> >> Christmas season. 
> >> We are in the process of completing a small repair on our hull and are 
> >> having a problem matching the gelcoat. It appears that most of the 
> >> available gelcoat is a few shades off (cream vs our grey-ish tint). Not 
> >> acceptable in our book
> >> 
> >> Has anyone had success with gelcoat suppliers and matching the 1990 tint? 
> >> We are looking for a match and really only need a cup. Primary concern 
> >> is the match.
> >> 
> >> Joanne
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Re: Stus-List C&C (1990) gelcoat matching

[Us]

Wally,

Thank you for prepping me for what could be a challenging task but I'm not 
ready to let this one go yet.

Joanne
C&C37/40+

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> On Dec 29, 2013, at 9:49 PM, Wally Bryant  wrote:
> 
> I hate to sound like Eeyore, but it's hopeless. 
> 
> 
> Even if you get a perfect match now, it won't age the same and will probably 
> mismatch in a few years.  Or you can mismatch it now, and hope that in a few 
> years it will age to match the rest, but it probably won't.
> 
> I've done a few gelcoat mismatches, and after too much effort said F it and 
> moved on.  12 years later I don't even notice, and they're on the cabin top 
> in the cockpit.  When I bought the boat, I noticed a couple of small gashes 
> in the topsides gelcoat that went down to the laminate, just under the toe 
> rail on the port side.  Somebody offered to take my money to fix them, but I 
> was focused on bigger projects (rig) at the time.  I guess they're still 
> there.  The boat sails just fine.
> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C (1990) gelcoat matching

[Us]

Thank you Tom. Niagara on the Lake is a perfect place for a solution given 
Obsession's heritage and the number of C&C's that he may have worked on in that 
area.

BTW, nice choice on your boat ;-)

Joanne
C&C 37/40+

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> On Dec 30, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Tom B  wrote:
> 
> Our 1990 37+ had work done at the repair shop at the Niagara on the Lake 
> Sailing Club before we got her.  I'm pretty sure Peter, the fellow who runs 
> the paint shop, may be able to fix you up.  I doubt anyone knows more about 
> matching C&C gel coats colors than he does.
> 
> http://www.petersboatrepair.com
> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C (1990) gelcoat matching

[Us]

Thanks, I just got back from the boat and saw it. For whatever reason it wasn't 
showing up in my inbox at the time. (Slow router, lack of update?)

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> On Dec 29, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Steve Thomas  wrote:
> 
> Dennis has already responded.
> Look back through the posts.
>  
> Steve.
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of 
> themo...@gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 3:45 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C (1990) gelcoat matching
> 
> Thanks for the response. If I don't hear from Dennis, I'll contact him.
> 
> Joanne
> C&C 37/40+
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
> 
> 
> Joel Aronson  wrote:
> 
> Dennis knows of one. He gave me the name but I never got to that project. 
> 
>> On Sunday, December 29, 2013, Us wrote:
>> I hope this finds everyone relaxed and happy after Hanukkah and the 
>> Christmas season.
>> We are in the process of completing a small repair on our hull and are 
>> having a problem matching the gelcoat. It appears that most of the available 
>> gelcoat is a few shades off (cream vs our grey-ish tint). Not acceptable in 
>> our book
>> 
>> Has anyone had success with gelcoat suppliers and matching the 1990 tint? We 
>> are looking for a match and really only need a cup. Primary concern is 
>> the match.
>> 
>> Joanne
>> C&C 37/40+
>> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C (1990) gelcoat matching

[Us]

Good to hear from you, sounds like fun, I hope your wearing a helmet
Thank you for the tips and lead on the gelcoat, I will certainly look into this 
- can't stand imperfection.

Don't forget the hot buttered rum after the last run. ;-)

Joanne
C&C 37/40+

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> On Dec 29, 2013, at 1:55 PM, "Dennis C."  wrote:
> 
> Well, it found me at the top of Keystone mountain between snowboard runs. 
> Relaxed, maybe. Happy, definitely. 
> 
> As to your question and Joel's post. Yep. I do know. I just repaired a Hobie 
> 33 doing this. It may not suit your style but it works well. The Hobie repair 
> was nearly invisible. 
> 
> Rent a gelcoat color book from Fibreglast.com. Compare the color samples to 
> several spots on your boat at different sun angles. That is, morning, noon 
> afternoon. Order a gallon of the color that matches best. 
> 
> If choosing between two, pick the darker.  Two reasons: lighter than existing 
> will look like a repair, darker will look like dirt or stain. Second, most 
> gelcoats cure slightly lighter. 
> 
> You may balk at the $99 a gallon price but your results will be worth it. 
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touché 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Us  wrote:
>> 
>> I hope this finds everyone relaxed and happy after Hanukkah and the 
>> Christmas season. 
>> We are in the process of completing a small repair on our hull and are 
>> having a problem matching the gelcoat. It appears that most of the available 
>> gelcoat is a few shades off (cream vs our grey-ish tint). Not acceptable in 
>> our book
>> 
>> Has anyone had success with gelcoat suppliers and matching the 1990 tint? We 
>> are looking for a match and really only need a cup. Primary concern is 
>> the match.
>> 
>> Joanne
>> C&C 37/40+
>> 
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Stus-List C&C (1990) gelcoat matching

[Us]

I hope this finds everyone relaxed and happy after Hanukkah and the Christmas 
season. 
We are in the process of completing a small repair on our hull and are having a 
problem matching the gelcoat. It appears that most of the available gelcoat is 
a few shades off (cream vs our grey-ish tint). Not acceptable in our book

Has anyone had success with gelcoat suppliers and matching the 1990 tint? We 
are looking for a match and really only need a cup. Primary concern is the 
match.

Joanne
C&C 37/40+

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Stus-List Question: 37+ Recessed cabin plate

[Us]

Ok all, I have a question that has been driving me crazy... Does anyone have a 
resource for the recessed plate on the port and starboard cabin that has the 
C&C star logo with the 37+??? Ours is an obvious replacement as it is made of 
smoke plexiglass with the emblems just glued on. I know this can't be original 
and I want to replace it with something that Represents the quality of the 
boat. I've spoken to some woodworkers and machinists and a one piece plate will 
not be easy (reverse template needed). Any advice or resources would be GREATLY 
appreciated!

Joanne
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Re: Stus-List Recovering Cushions

[Us]

Bob,

Your on the right track, to replace the foam with the same quality C&C used on 
the original cushions would not only be crazy expensive, but in most cases 
unnecessary.  When we had our C&C 29 MKII, I removed the dried out 
disintegrating velour fabric, cleaned the foam, and recovered every piece with 
Sunbrella, backed with phifertex and reinstalled the zippers. North Star was a 
1983 and outside of the old fabric, zippers and foam were in great condition 
after a cleaning. 

I hope you find someone in your area to do your recovering. I did mine and if 
your not committed to it on a full time basis, it WILL take awhile. (ok, so 
cushions, how does that make the boat go fast ;-))

Been there, done that and am now getting quotes for our 37/40+ cushions, won't 
be thrilled about the cost but won't miss the 90's blue either.

Joanne & David Mocny
Obsession
37/40+

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> The cushions on my 29mkii are original, torn and worn. IIRC the foam, not the 
> covering, is the expensive part.
> Any one have an idea of what a total recovering would run?
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Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

[Us]

David and I looked for a C&C 37/40+ boat for over two years to find the right 
one for us (condition), and while I agree with the volume of advice you have 
received, there is one area that wasn't covered. (Please excuse me) We hired a 
naval architect that performs surveys using a Flir thermal imaging camera so we 
could look thru the fiberglass at the balsa core.  A wet core shows up as a 
different color.  We wanted to make sure that she was the right one in every 
way. 

C&C makes an awesome boat, their performance has been unsurpassed in racing and 
cruising from the first 40' we sailed to Block Island in the 70's to our 1983 
29 MKII, the C &C 99 we crewed/raced on for 5 years, and the 37/40+ we have 
owned/raced & cruised for 1.5 years. Construction is solid compared to other 
models and in the case of our 1990 vintage, we were pleased to find the thru 
hulls do not have any balsa core around them. 

We echo what you have been told in the email strings below but also add that 
having a surveyor that has a thermal imaging camera is huge.

The end result is a boat that points like nobody's business and weather racing 
or cruising does so beautifully.

Good luck to you in your search and negotiations, may you have fair winds...


Joanne & David
Obsession
37/40+

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On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:24 PM, David Knecht  wrote:

> You guys are fabulous and one of the reasons I am excited that the boat we 
> are likely to end up with turns out to be another C&C.  I really appreciate 
> all the advice.  One question from the responses- the sea trial.  The boat is 
> on the hard with rig up and engine winterized.  It had not occurred to me 
> that we would throw it in the water in February (March by the time this would 
> happen) and go for a motor/sail- it is still pretty cold up here, but it 
> makes sense. I can see the importance of this to run the engine and check the 
> prop (Maxprop), and I like the idea of an engine survey, but what else?  It 
> will sail like a C&C, so what are the specific goals of the sea trial?  I 
> gather that it would then be hauled again and re-winterized?  Who pays for 
> the launching, prepping, hauling and re-winterizing?  Thanks- Dave
> 
> David Knecht
> 50 Farmstead Rd.
> Storrs, CT 06268
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Re: Stus-List half hull model of 37

[Us]

We had one made of North Star, our 29 MKII and now have our 37+ on order. He is 
a sailing friend of ours and I understand he recently did another 37, his site 
is: 

http://www.halfhull.net/

Joanne & David
Obsession
1990 37+

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On Feb 25, 2013, at 5:13 PM, Steve Sharkey  wrote:

> I would also be interested in a model for an '83 37
> 
> Steve Sharkey
> Impromptu
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Pete Shelquist  
> wrote:
>> Andrew –
>> 
>> In response to his generous offer, I’d like to push some business to the 
>> model maker.  Can you forward his contact info if he’s interested in doing a 
>> model of ’84 37?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
>> Burton
>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 10:31 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rob Ball Gift
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I implied but wasn't clear that it would be free.
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Andrew Burton  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dave, 
>> 
>> I know a local model maker who is a C&C owner who will contribute a model of 
>> a 35 Mk III for Rob. 
>> This is a 27, but it gives you the idea. Let me know when you need it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Andy
>> C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:25 AM, David Risch  wrote:
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> I had a discussion with Rob Ball and it seems his half-hull model collection 
>> has a gap.   He is missing the C & C 35-III.   Any interest in we all 
>> contributing to get this to him?
>> 
>> I do not know the logistics of how we do this, but there is a local model 
>> builder who is willing to do this and he mentioned he might discount it for 
>> Rob.
>> 
>> Any interest out there?
>> 
>> David F. Risch
>> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Valentines day gift ideas?

[Us]

I hope you don't mind me chiming in, I'm the "other half" of Obsession. If she 
loves sailing and the boat perhaps something that's personal (only hers). If 
there is no time for jewelry, a great fleece with the boat name monogrammed on 
it - could be a vest, or a jacket whichever she typically wears. Wrap it up 
with a great bottle of wine and the promise of a great weekend aboard!

Joanne
Obsession
C&C 37+


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On Feb 10, 2013, at 1:18 PM, Andrew Burton  wrote:

> That is a great idea! But I already have one for her. 
> 
> Andrew Burton
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> On Feb 10, 2013, at 1:01 PM, dwight veinot  
> wrote:
> 
>> A harness and tether will let her know that you truly want to keep her
>> 
>> Dwight Veinot
>> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> Burton
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>> Subject: Stus-List Valentines day gift ideas?
>> 
>> That day all men dread is rolling around again. Now that we have a boat
>> together, gifting just to a whole lots easier. So now I'm looking for gift
>> ideas for the missus that she can use on the boat. A carbon spinnaker pole
>> is not in the budget, I think we have plenty of good sails, and the running
>> rigging is only a couple of years old, except the mainsheet, which I'm
>> thinking would be good to replace with Salsa line.
>> Any other ideas? I got her fender covers for Christmas and other than
>> getting he color wrong, they were a big hit.
>> Andy
>> C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>> 
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