Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision; Lake sailing

[Graham Young via CnC-List]

Ditto for Lake Erie.  They are the Sweetwater Seas. 
 

On Sunday, August 14, 2016 9:18 PM, schiller via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

  Having just crossed Lake Michigan (twice) on Glenn Gambell's C 36 in the 
Clipper Cup race from Muskegon, MI to Port Washington, WI and back to White 
Lake, MI I can say the same about Lake Michigan.
 
 Neil Schiller
 1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
 (C 35, Mark I)
 "Corsair"
 
 On 8/12/2016 3:44 PM, Gary Zuehlke via CnC-List wrote:
  
 Funny Fred, I was thinking the same thing about Lake Huron! 
 On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 
 Joe — I defy you to feel confined on Lake Superior…   :^) 
  — Fred
  
 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI  
  
 On Aug 12, 2016, at 8:49 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
 wrote: 
  It is not lakes forever. Just get the boat home and repair her. Then decide 
where to sail. BTW – speaking of lakes – I have a weird psychological issue 
with being stuck in a lake with no exit. Even if you never get 5 miles from 
home, I like to know I can get out and go someplace if I want to. The Ohio 
River does eventually lead to the ocean and anyplace you want to be. My brother 
lives on Lake Norman, a very popular sailing lake, and has no interest in being 
“confined” there, even though I saw a Beneteau 40 under chute once on a 12 mile 
lake!    Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com   Coquina  
  
   
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Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision; Lake sailing

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Mine’s bigger…   :^)

And I’ll be heading up there in a few hours.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Aug 12, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Gary Zuehlke via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Funny Fred, I was thinking the same thing about Lake Huron!

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Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision; Lake sailing

[Gary Zuehlke via CnC-List]

Funny Fred, I was thinking the same thing about Lake Huron!

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Joe — I defy you to feel confined on Lake Superior…   :^)
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Aug 12, 2016, at 8:49 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> It is not lakes forever. Just get the boat home and repair her. Then
> decide where to sail.
> BTW – speaking of lakes – I have a weird psychological issue with being
> stuck in a lake with no exit. Even if you never get 5 miles from home, I
> like to know I can get out and go someplace if I want to. The Ohio River
> does eventually lead to the ocean and anyplace you want to be. My brother
> lives on Lake Norman, a very popular sailing lake, and has no interest in
> being “confined” there, even though I saw a Beneteau 40 under chute once on
> a 12 mile lake!
>
> Joe Della Barba
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision; Lake sailing

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

Even if it was not "connected", Superior is more of a sea than a lake. 

Steve Thomas
  - Original Message - 
  From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
  To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
  Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
  Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 11:46
  Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision; Lake sailing


  I wouldn’t, it connects to other lakes and rivers and some of them lead to 
the ocean and eventually to my house. I could sail there from here and vice 
versa. Lake Norman, not so much….

  Joe

  Coquina

   

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick 
G Street via CnC-List
  Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 11:42 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: Frederick G Street
  Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision; Lake sailing

   

  Joe — I defy you to feel confined on Lake Superior…   :^)

   

  — Fred


  Fred Street -- Minneapolis
  S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

   

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Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision; Lake sailing

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I wouldn’t, it connects to other lakes and rivers and some of them lead to the 
ocean and eventually to my house. I could sail there from here and vice versa. 
Lake Norman, not so much….
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 11:42 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision; Lake sailing

Joe — I defy you to feel confined on Lake Superior…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Aug 12, 2016, at 8:49 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

It is not lakes forever. Just get the boat home and repair her. Then decide 
where to sail.
BTW – speaking of lakes – I have a weird psychological issue with being stuck 
in a lake with no exit. Even if you never get 5 miles from home, I like to know 
I can get out and go someplace if I want to. The Ohio River does eventually 
lead to the ocean and anyplace you want to be. My brother lives on Lake Norman, 
a very popular sailing lake, and has no interest in being “confined” there, 
even though I saw a Beneteau 40 under chute once on a 12 mile lake!

Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com<mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>

Coquina

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Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision; Lake sailing

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Joe — I defy you to feel confined on Lake Superior…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Aug 12, 2016, at 8:49 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is not lakes forever. Just get the boat home and repair her. Then decide 
> where to sail.
> BTW – speaking of lakes – I have a weird psychological issue with being stuck 
> in a lake with no exit. Even if you never get 5 miles from home, I like to 
> know I can get out and go someplace if I want to. The Ohio River does 
> eventually lead to the ocean and anyplace you want to be. My brother lives on 
> Lake Norman, a very popular sailing lake, and has no interest in being 
> “confined” there, even though I saw a Beneteau 40 under chute once on a 12 
> mile lake! 
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> j...@dellabarba.com 
>  
> Coquina

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Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision; Lake sailing

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Per Neil's description of sailing on the LakesHeck, I'd like to have those 
conditions! We sail on the Ohio River which is generously listed as a mile 
wide, but of course, is verrry long(938 miles); we tack a lot!

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Neil Andersen <neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2016 7:11 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision



Hank,
 
I know I live between the tops of Skaneateles and Owasco.  Unless the wind is 
right, you would spend so much time coming about.  Lakes aren’t very wide, but 
your point is well made.
 
Neil
 



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Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Hank,

 

I know I live between the tops of Skaneateles and Owasco.  Unless the wind is 
right, you would spend so much time coming about.  Lakes aren’t very wide, but 
your point is well made.

 

Neil

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of henry evans 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:05 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: henry evans
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

 

There is lots of sailing in central New York.  The Finger Lakes stretch 150 
miles right across the middle of the state and there is sailing, marinas and 
yacht clubs on every one of them. Also on the big lake Onandaga near Syracuse.  
And a bit farther North you have Lake Ontario and The Thousand Islands.  The 
lower Adirondacks have not only the Great  but the chain of lakes stretching 
from the NYS Thruway north through the mountains to Lake Placid. And a bit 
farther east you have Lake George and Lake Champlain, two of the best sailing 
lakes in the country.  It would be hard to find an area of the country with 
more sailing options.

Hank Evans

 

On Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:31 AM, George Cone via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

 

I purchased a C & C 40 that had spent 7 years on the dry. This was 4 years ago. 
Surprisingly few item were bad, and in fact I still use 2 of the batteries and 
they seem to be quite good—who knows? Yes I drained the fuel out and replaced, 
but everything works.   I am on Lake Champlain, 2 hours from my house. Yes the 
maintenance is a challenge and not everything gets done but I have had very 
little trouble . Lake Champlain or Lake George aren’t that far from central NY. 
And the sail from the bay up the coast and Hudson would be memorable. 

 

Thanks,

George Cone

C 40

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:16 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

 

The fact that has been on the hard so long is a negative. Dead batteries bad 
fuel etc. 

 

If you need to maximize your tax deduction try the Baltimore sailing center or 
Sea Scouts. 

 

Joel 

On Thursday, August 11, 2016, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Neal,

Joe’s idea of bringing the boat closer to you isn’t a terrible idea.  If you 
could transport the boat closer to home, it could remain on the hard until you 
got the projects sorted out and then, moving forward, find a location, perhaps 
in the Finger Lakes or Southern Adirondacks that would allow more frequent use 
of the boat.  My sister and her family sail on Great Sacandaga Reservoir in NY 
out of the Mayfield YC where membership and slip rentals are quite reasonable, 
plus the lake is over 25 miles long.  There are a number of sailboats in the 
30-35’ range that sail in the area and most folks that keep their boats in 
slips are basically using the boat as a summer lake home.  I’m not sure what 
your launching parameters would be (travel lift, hydraulic trailer, etc.) but 
there must be options for you somewhere in the middle part of the state.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:20 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

 

I am not sure how being on the Shore changes the value of the boat one way or 
the other.

I feel your pain – I tried keeping my boat on a mooring for free about 45 
minutes from my house and the ability to keep up with boat chores declined a 
lot so I moved back the $$$ slip 10 minutes away.

Is there any place local to you the boat could be? 

Joe

Coquina

Btw – the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum is a worthy place to donate a boat.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil 
Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Neil Andersen
Subject: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

 

Fellow list mates,

 

I am facing a VERY tough decision.  I live 7-8 hours away from my boat (it is 
in the Chesapeake and I am in central NY state).  That is a long story in 
itself, but irrelevant.

 

My boat (1982 C 32) has just had it rigging serviced or replaced as needed 
due to a yard incident and I have new floorboards that need their finishing 
(underside) completed, etc. etc.  The boat means a lot to me and the family, 
but from what I hear, it is showing the fact it is neglected as we are not able 
to get down to the boat to keep her up.  The boat hasn’t been in the water 
since 2009.

 

I don’t want to, but am looking to part with the boat unless I can come up with 
another reasonable solution.  I don’t want to part with her unless it can go to 
a good hom

Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

[henry evans via CnC-List]

When we sold our C and moved aboard our 43' trawler, we kept track of the 
time devoted to "boatkeeping". We lived aboard for 8 years cruising 31,000 
miles.  We found that while in port, boatkeeping ran about 6 to 8 hours a week 
or roughly an hour a day.  While cruising, boatkeeping takes a back seat to 
driving and enjoying the places one visits.  After a a few days at sea, it 
would take about 5 hours to get the boat cleaned up and back in shape.    Hank 
Evans 

On Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:20 AM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
 

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{}#yiv2870770372 The remote boat ownerships that work are big . The yard 
works on the boat M-F and you step on Friday night and everything is perfect. 
Joe Coquina       From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On 
Behalf Of Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:23 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision    Neil, On the plus side, 
bringing the boat up to NY means it will live in fresh water and require far 
less attention to corrosion prevention and bottom painting moving forward.  
Yes, you’ll have a shorter season than in Maryland, but it seems right now that 
you have no season at all if the boat has been sitting since 2009.  And if you 
love the boat and love to sail her, cut a few pieces of plywood to fit the 
floorboards, cover it with some carpet, clean the fuel tank, commission the 
engine and get out a sail the thing.  So many folks won’t go sailing until 
their boat is “perfect” and spend every nice weekend doing boat projects where 
they could be sailing.     Even so, I believe that many people underestimate 
the burden of being an “absentee landlord” to their boats especially when you 
throw in the economics of paying someone to keep the boat up if you’re unable 
to tend to its needs due to time and distance from the boat.  I had a friend 
from Colorado who bought a brand new Hylas 54 about 10 years ago and he made 
arrangements to keep it in Massachusetts during the summer and would fly in 
periodically to use the boat.  What he found was that every long weekend he 
allocated to his new boat was spent doing all the maintenance work, cleaning 
filters and strainers, scrubbing the bottom, working out bugs with the 
electricals, charging batteries, and dinking around with the myriad of odds and 
ends that the boat needed.  As such, he really never got to sail the thing.  I 
“volunteered” to oversee some of the maintenance chores in return for the 
occasional use of the boat, but I found myself overwhelmed by the number of 
systems aboard to say nothing of keeping such a monstrous boat free of seagull 
droppings and the debris caused by occasional use of the boat as an Osprey’s 
sushi bar.  And mind you, this was a brand new boat where most everything is 
under warranty!   After two seasons, I was more than happy to hand over the 
care of the boat back to the owner and be quite content to sailing the C 25 
that I owned at the time.    Boats cost money to buy and keep up, but can cost 
even more in the long run if you don’t invest in the periodic maintenance.  The 
“new” Half Magic (35 Landfall) sat on the hard since 2007 when I bought it this 
January, and while the purchase price wa

Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

I've been spoiled with the Chesapeake ;-)

Neil Andersen




On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 11:05 AM -0400, "henry evans via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:










There is lots of sailing in central New York.  The Finger Lakes stretch 150 
miles right across the middle of the state and there is sailing, marinas and 
yacht clubs on every one of them. Also on the big lake Onandaga near Syracuse.  
And a bit farther North you have Lake Ontario and The Thousand Islands.  The 
lower Adirondacks have not only the Great  but the chain of lakes stretching 
from the NYS Thruway north through the mountains to Lake Placid. And a bit 
farther east you have Lake George and Lake Champlain, two of the best sailing 
lakes in the country.  It would be hard to find an area of the country with 
more sailing options.Hank Evans 

On Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:31 AM, George Cone via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
  

 I purchased a C & C 40 that had spent 7 years on the dry. This was 4 years 
ago. Surprisingly few item were bad, and in fact I still use 2 of the batteries 
and they seem to be quite good—who knows? Yes I drained the fuel out and 
replaced, but everything works.   I am on Lake Champlain, 2 hours from my 
house. Yes the maintenance is a challenge and not everything gets done but I 
have had very little trouble . Lake Champlain or Lake George aren’t that far 
from central NY. And the sail from the bay up the coast and Hudson would be 
memorable.   Thanks,George ConeC 40  From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:16 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision  The fact that has been on the 
hard so long is a negative. Dead batteries bad fuel etc.   If you need to 
maximize your tax deduction try the Baltimore sailing center or Sea Scouts.   
Joel 

On Thursday, August 11, 2016, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:Neal,Joe’s idea of bringing the boat closer to 
you isn’t a terrible idea.  If you could transport the boat closer to home, it 
could remain on the hard until you got the projects sorted out and then, moving 
forward, find a location, perhaps in the Finger Lakes or Southern Adirondacks 
that would allow more frequent use of the boat.  My sister and her family sail 
on Great Sacandaga Reservoir in NY out of the Mayfield YC where membership and 
slip rentals are quite reasonable, plus the lake is over 25 miles long.  There 
are a number of sailboats in the 30-35’ range that sail in the area and most 
folks that keep their boats in slips are basically using the boat as a summer 
lake home.  I’m not sure what your launching parameters would be (travel lift, 
hydraulic trailer, etc.) but there must be options for you somewhere in the 
middle part of the state.Chuck GilchrestS/V Half Magic1983 Landfall 
35Padanaram, MA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf 
Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:20 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision I am not sure how being on the 
Shore changes the value of the boat one way or the other.I feel your pain – I 
tried keeping my boat on a mooring for free about 45 minutes from my house and 
the ability to keep up with boat chores declined a lot so I moved back the $$$ 
slip 10 minutes away.Is there any place local to you the boat could be? 
JoeCoquinaBtw – the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum is a worthy place to donate 
a boat. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil 
Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Neil Andersen
Subject: Stus-List A VERY tough decision Fellow list mates, I am facing a VERY 
tough decision.  I live 7-8 hours away from my boat (it is in the Chesapeake 
and I am in central NY state).  That is a long story in itself, but irrelevant. 
My boat (1982 C 32) has just had it rigging serviced or replaced as needed 
due to a yard incident and I have new floorboards that need their finishing 
(underside) completed, etc. etc.  The boat means a lot to me and the family, 
but from what I hear, it is showing the fact it is neglected as we are not able 
to get down to the boat to keep her up.  The boat hasn’t been in the water 
since 2009. I don’t want to, but am looking to part with the boat unless I can 
come up with another reasonable solution.  I don’t want to part with her unless 
it can go to a good home and/or donate it to a good cause.  I have been told 
that she is worth less than $10,000 USD based on the Eastern shore of MD. 
Thoughts or interest? (Stu, I’ll donate part of the proceeds of the sale to the 
list if it sells through here)Neil Neil Andersen 315-707-7905 
(home)neil.eric.ander...@gmail

Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

FWIW: I agree, move the boat, don't sell.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Aug 11, 2016 9:11 AM, "Neil Andersen via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Fellow list mates,
>
>
>
> I am facing a *VERY* tough decision.  I live 7-8 hours away from my boat
> (it is in the Chesapeake and I am in central NY state).  That is a long
> story in itself, but irrelevant.
>
>
>
> My boat (1982 C 32) has just had it rigging serviced or replaced as
> needed due to a yard incident and I have new floorboards that need their
> finishing (underside) completed, etc. etc.  The boat means a lot to me and
> the family, but from what I hear, it is showing the fact it is neglected as
> we are not able to get down to the boat to keep her up.  The boat hasn’t
> been in the water since 2009.
>
>
>
> I don’t want to, but am looking to part with the boat unless I can come up
> with another reasonable solution.  I don’t want to part with her unless it
> can go to a good home and/or donate it to a good cause.  I have been told
> that she is worth less than $10,000 USD based on the Eastern shore of MD.
>
>
>
> Thoughts or interest? (Stu, I’ll donate part of the proceeds of the sale
> to the list if it sells through here)
>
> Neil
>
> Neil Andersen
>
> 315-707-7905 (home)
>
> neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com
>
> +++
>
> The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change;
> the realist adjusts the sails.
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The remote boat ownerships that work are big .
The yard works on the boat M-F and you step on Friday night and everything is 
perfect.
Joe
Coquina


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
Gilchrest via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:23 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

Neil,
On the plus side, bringing the boat up to NY means it will live in fresh water 
and require far less attention to corrosion prevention and bottom painting 
moving forward.  Yes, you'll have a shorter season than in Maryland, but it 
seems right now that you have no season at all if the boat has been sitting 
since 2009.  And if you love the boat and love to sail her, cut a few pieces of 
plywood to fit the floorboards, cover it with some carpet, clean the fuel tank, 
commission the engine and get out a sail the thing.  So many folks won't go 
sailing until their boat is "perfect" and spend every nice weekend doing boat 
projects where they could be sailing.

 Even so, I believe that many people underestimate the burden of being an 
"absentee landlord" to their boats especially when you throw in the economics 
of paying someone to keep the boat up if you're unable to tend to its needs due 
to time and distance from the boat.  I had a friend from Colorado who bought a 
brand new Hylas 54 about 10 years ago and he made arrangements to keep it in 
Massachusetts during the summer and would fly in periodically to use the boat.  
What he found was that every long weekend he allocated to his new boat was 
spent doing all the maintenance work, cleaning filters and strainers, scrubbing 
the bottom, working out bugs with the electricals, charging batteries, and 
dinking around with the myriad of odds and ends that the boat needed.  As such, 
he really never got to sail the thing.  I "volunteered" to oversee some of the 
maintenance chores in return for the occasional use of the boat, but I found 
myself overwhelmed by the number of systems aboard to say nothing of keeping 
such a monstrous boat free of seagull droppings and the debris caused by 
occasional use of the boat as an Osprey's sushi bar.  And mind you, this was a 
brand new boat where most everything is under warranty!   After two seasons, I 
was more than happy to hand over the care of the boat back to the owner and be 
quite content to sailing the C 25 that I owned at the time.

Boats cost money to buy and keep up, but can cost even more in the long run if 
you don't invest in the periodic maintenance.  The "new" Half Magic (35 
Landfall) sat on the hard since 2007 when I bought it this January, and while 
the purchase price was reasonably low, the cost of commissioning the boat was 
far more expensive than I had anticipated.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 LF 35
Padanaram, MA
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil 
Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Neil Andersen 
<neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com<mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

Thanks Joe.  The problem up here (2 hours north of me is Lake Ontario, the 
finger lakes aren't all that big and tend to be narrow) is that the sailing 
season is Memorial Day to Labor Day.

The Maritime Museum sounds like a worthy cause.

Neil

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:20 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

I am not sure how being on the Shore changes the value of the boat one way or 
the other.
I feel your pain - I tried keeping my boat on a mooring for free about 45 
minutes from my house and the ability to keep up with boat chores declined a 
lot so I moved back the $$$ slip 10 minutes away.
Is there any place local to you the boat could be?
Joe
Coquina
Btw - the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum is a worthy place to donate a boat.

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil 
Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Neil Andersen
Subject: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

Fellow list mates,

I am facing a VERY tough decision.  I live 7-8 hours away from my boat (it is 
in the Chesapeake and I am in central NY state).  That is a long story in 
itself, but irrelevant.

My boat (1982 C 32) has just had it rigging serviced or replaced as needed 
due to a yard incident and I have new floorboards that need their finishing 
(underside) completed, etc. etc.  The boat means a lot to me and the family, 
but from what I hear, it is showing the fact it is neglected as we are not able 
to get down to the boat to keep her up.  The boat hasn't been in

Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

[henry evans via CnC-List]

There is lots of sailing in central New York.  The Finger Lakes stretch 150 
miles right across the middle of the state and there is sailing, marinas and 
yacht clubs on every one of them. Also on the big lake Onandaga near Syracuse.  
And a bit farther North you have Lake Ontario and The Thousand Islands.  The 
lower Adirondacks have not only the Great  but the chain of lakes stretching 
from the NYS Thruway north through the mountains to Lake Placid. And a bit 
farther east you have Lake George and Lake Champlain, two of the best sailing 
lakes in the country.  It would be hard to find an area of the country with 
more sailing options.Hank Evans 

On Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:31 AM, George Cone via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
 

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spent 7 years on the dry. This was 4 years ago. Surprisingly few item were bad, 
and in fact I still use 2 of the batteries and they seem to be quite good—who 
knows? Yes I drained the fuel out and replaced, but everything works.   I am on 
Lake Champlain, 2 hours from my house. Yes the maintenance is a challenge and 
not everything gets done but I have had very little trouble . Lake Champlain or 
Lake George aren’t that far from central NY. And the sail from the bay up the 
coast and Hudson would be memorable.   Thanks,George ConeC 40  From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:16 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision  The fact that has been on the 
hard so long is a negative. Dead batteries bad fuel etc.   If you need to 
maximize your tax deduction try the Baltimore sailing center or Sea Scouts.   
Joel 

On Thursday, August 11, 2016, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:Neal,Joe’s idea of bringing the boat closer to 
you isn’t a terrible idea.  If you could transport the boat closer to home, it 
could remain on the hard until you got the projects sorted out and then, moving 
forward, find a location, perhaps in the Finger Lakes or Southern Adirondacks 
that would allow more frequent use of the boat.  My sister and her family sail 
on Great Sacandaga Reservoir in NY out of the Mayfield YC where membership and 
slip rentals are quite reasonable, plus the lake is over 25 miles long.  There 
are a number of sailboats in the 30-35’ range that sail in the area and most 
folks that keep their boats in slips are basically using the boat as a summer 
lake home.  I’m not sure what your launching parameters would be (travel lift, 
hydraulic trailer, etc.) but there must be options for you somewhere in the 
middle part of the state.Chuck GilchrestS/V Half Magic1983 Landfall 
35Padanaram, MA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf 
Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:20 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision I am not sure how being on the 
Shore changes the value of the boat one way or the other.I feel your pain – I 
tried keeping my boat on a mooring for free about 45 minutes from my house and 
the ability to keep up with boat chores declined a lot so I moved back the $$$ 
slip 10 minutes away.Is there any place local to you the boat could be? 
JoeCoquinaBtw – the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum is a worthy place to donate 
a boat. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil 
Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Neil Andersen
Subject: Stus-List A VERY tough decision Fellow list mates, I am facing a VERY 
tough decision.  I live

Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi Neil, I have a coworker that is in the market for a club racer.  This boat 
may fit his needs.  I'm going to mention this conversation to him.  I think he 
would be willing to sail it home from MD.
Danny


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 Original message From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
 Date: 8/11/16  9:10 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Neil Andersen  Subject: 
Stus-List A VERY tough decision 
Fellow list mates, I am facing a VERY tough decision.  I live 7-8 hours away 
from my boat (it is in the Chesapeake and I am in central NY state).  That is a 
long story in itself, but irrelevant. My boat (1982 C 32) has just had it 
rigging serviced or replaced as needed due to a yard incident and I have new 
floorboards that need their finishing (underside) completed, etc. etc.  The 
boat means a lot to me and the family, but from what I hear, it is showing the 
fact it is neglected as we are not able to get down to the boat to keep her up. 
 The boat hasn’t been in the water since 2009. I don’t want to, but am looking 
to part with the boat unless I can come up with another reasonable solution.  I 
don’t want to part with her unless it can go to a good home and/or donate it to 
a good cause.  I have been told that she is worth less than $10,000 USD based 
on the Eastern shore of MD. Thoughts or interest? (Stu, I’ll donate part of the 
proceeds of the sale to the list if it sells through here)Neil Neil Andersen 

315-707-7905 (home)neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com+++The 
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Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

[George Cone via CnC-List]

I purchased a C & C 40 that had spent 7 years on the dry. This was 4 years ago. 
Surprisingly few item were bad, and in fact I still use 2 of the batteries and 
they seem to be quite good—who knows? Yes I drained the fuel out and replaced, 
but everything works.   I am on Lake Champlain, 2 hours from my house. Yes the 
maintenance is a challenge and not everything gets done but I have had very 
little trouble . Lake Champlain or Lake George aren’t that far from central NY. 
And the sail from the bay up the coast and Hudson would be memorable. 

 

Thanks,

George Cone

C 40

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:16 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

 

The fact that has been on the hard so long is a negative. Dead batteries bad 
fuel etc. 

 

If you need to maximize your tax deduction try the Baltimore sailing center or 
Sea Scouts. 

 

Joel 

On Thursday, August 11, 2016, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Neal,

Joe’s idea of bringing the boat closer to you isn’t a terrible idea.  If you 
could transport the boat closer to home, it could remain on the hard until you 
got the projects sorted out and then, moving forward, find a location, perhaps 
in the Finger Lakes or Southern Adirondacks that would allow more frequent use 
of the boat.  My sister and her family sail on Great Sacandaga Reservoir in NY 
out of the Mayfield YC where membership and slip rentals are quite reasonable, 
plus the lake is over 25 miles long.  There are a number of sailboats in the 
30-35’ range that sail in the area and most folks that keep their boats in 
slips are basically using the boat as a summer lake home.  I’m not sure what 
your launching parameters would be (travel lift, hydraulic trailer, etc.) but 
there must be options for you somewhere in the middle part of the state.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

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Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:20 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

 

I am not sure how being on the Shore changes the value of the boat one way or 
the other.

I feel your pain – I tried keeping my boat on a mooring for free about 45 
minutes from my house and the ability to keep up with boat chores declined a 
lot so I moved back the $$$ slip 10 minutes away.

Is there any place local to you the boat could be? 

Joe

Coquina

Btw – the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum is a worthy place to donate a boat.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com');> ] On Behalf Of 
Neil Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');> 
Cc: Neil Andersen
Subject: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

 

Fellow list mates,

 

I am facing a VERY tough decision.  I live 7-8 hours away from my boat (it is 
in the Chesapeake and I am in central NY state).  That is a long story in 
itself, but irrelevant.

 

My boat (1982 C 32) has just had it rigging serviced or replaced as needed 
due to a yard incident and I have new floorboards that need their finishing 
(underside) completed, etc. etc.  The boat means a lot to me and the family, 
but from what I hear, it is showing the fact it is neglected as we are not able 
to get down to the boat to keep her up.  The boat hasn’t been in the water 
since 2009.

 

I don’t want to, but am looking to part with the boat unless I can come up with 
another reasonable solution.  I don’t want to part with her unless it can go to 
a good home and/or donate it to a good cause.  I have been told that she is 
worth less than $10,000 USD based on the Eastern shore of MD.

 

Thoughts or interest? (Stu, I’ll donate part of the proceeds of the sale to the 
list if it sells through here)

Neil 

Neil Andersen 

315-707-7905 (home)

 <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com');> 
neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com

+++

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realist adjusts the sails.

 



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301 541 8551

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Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

You could even – if zoning allows – have the boat at or near your house. You 
could get all the projects done and then move her to your desired end location.
Joe
Coquina
BTW – I am betting a one hour drive to a summer lake location will get you more 
sailing than an 8 hour drive to Maryland. Plus you can swim in cold fresh 
water, which right about now seems like a nice thing!


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:16 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

The fact that has been on the hard so long is a negative. Dead batteries bad 
fuel etc.

If you need to maximize your tax deduction try the Baltimore sailing center or 
Sea Scouts.

Joel

On Thursday, August 11, 2016, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Neal,
Joe’s idea of bringing the boat closer to you isn’t a terrible idea.  If you 
could transport the boat closer to home, it could remain on the hard until you 
got the projects sorted out and then, moving forward, find a location, perhaps 
in the Finger Lakes or Southern Adirondacks that would allow more frequent use 
of the boat.  My sister and her family sail on Great Sacandaga Reservoir in NY 
out of the Mayfield YC where membership and slip rentals are quite reasonable, 
plus the lake is over 25 miles long.  There are a number of sailboats in the 
30-35’ range that sail in the area and most folks that keep their boats in 
slips are basically using the boat as a summer lake home.  I’m not sure what 
your launching parameters would be (travel lift, hydraulic trailer, etc.) but 
there must be options for you somewhere in the middle part of the state.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 Landfall 35
Padanaram, MA

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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:20 AM
To: 
'cnc-list@cnc-list.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>' 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
<joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov');>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

I am not sure how being on the Shore changes the value of the boat one way or 
the other.
I feel your pain – I tried keeping my boat on a mooring for free about 45 
minutes from my house and the ability to keep up with boat chores declined a 
lot so I moved back the $$$ slip 10 minutes away.
Is there any place local to you the boat could be?
Joe
Coquina
Btw – the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum is a worthy place to donate a boat.

From: CnC-List 
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 On Behalf Of Neil Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>
Cc: Neil Andersen
Subject: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

Fellow list mates,

I am facing a VERY tough decision.  I live 7-8 hours away from my boat (it is 
in the Chesapeake and I am in central NY state).  That is a long story in 
itself, but irrelevant.

My boat (1982 C 32) has just had it rigging serviced or replaced as needed 
due to a yard incident and I have new floorboards that need their finishing 
(underside) completed, etc. etc.  The boat means a lot to me and the family, 
but from what I hear, it is showing the fact it is neglected as we are not able 
to get down to the boat to keep her up.  The boat hasn’t been in the water 
since 2009.

I don’t want to, but am looking to part with the boat unless I can come up with 
another reasonable solution.  I don’t want to part with her unless it can go to 
a good home and/or donate it to a good cause.  I have been told that she is 
worth less than $10,000 USD based on the Eastern shore of MD.

Thoughts or interest? (Stu, I’ll donate part of the proceeds of the sale to the 
list if it sells through here)
Neil
Neil Andersen
315-707-7905 (home)
neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com');>
+++
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the 
realist adjusts the sails.



--
Joel
301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Neil,

On the plus side, bringing the boat up to NY means it will live in fresh
water and require far less attention to corrosion prevention and bottom
painting moving forward.  Yes, you'll have a shorter season than in
Maryland, but it seems right now that you have no season at all if the boat
has been sitting since 2009.  And if you love the boat and love to sail her,
cut a few pieces of plywood to fit the floorboards, cover it with some
carpet, clean the fuel tank, commission the engine and get out a sail the
thing.  So many folks won't go sailing until their boat is "perfect" and
spend every nice weekend doing boat projects where they could be sailing.

 Even so, I believe that many people underestimate the burden of being an
"absentee landlord" to their boats especially when you throw in the
economics of paying someone to keep the boat up if you're unable to tend to
its needs due to time and distance from the boat.  I had a friend from
Colorado who bought a brand new Hylas 54 about 10 years ago and he made
arrangements to keep it in Massachusetts during the summer and would fly in
periodically to use the boat.  What he found was that every long weekend he
allocated to his new boat was spent doing all the maintenance work, cleaning
filters and strainers, scrubbing the bottom, working out bugs with the
electricals, charging batteries, and dinking around with the myriad of odds
and ends that the boat needed.  As such, he really never got to sail the
thing.  I "volunteered" to oversee some of the maintenance chores in return
for the occasional use of the boat, but I found myself overwhelmed by the
number of systems aboard to say nothing of keeping such a monstrous boat
free of seagull droppings and the debris caused by occasional use of the
boat as an Osprey's sushi bar.  And mind you, this was a brand new boat
where most everything is under warranty!   After two seasons, I was more
than happy to hand over the care of the boat back to the owner and be quite
content to sailing the C 25 that I owned at the time.

 

Boats cost money to buy and keep up, but can cost even more in the long run
if you don't invest in the periodic maintenance.  The "new" Half Magic (35
Landfall) sat on the hard since 2007 when I bought it this January, and
while the purchase price was reasonably low, the cost of commissioning the
boat was far more expensive than I had anticipated.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil
Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Neil Andersen <neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

 

Thanks Joe.  The problem up here (2 hours north of me is Lake Ontario, the
finger lakes aren't all that big and tend to be narrow) is that the sailing
season is Memorial Day to Labor Day.

 

The Maritime Museum sounds like a worthy cause.

 

Neil

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della
Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:20 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

 

I am not sure how being on the Shore changes the value of the boat one way
or the other.

I feel your pain - I tried keeping my boat on a mooring for free about 45
minutes from my house and the ability to keep up with boat chores declined a
lot so I moved back the $$$ slip 10 minutes away.

Is there any place local to you the boat could be? 

Joe

Coquina

Btw - the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum is a worthy place to donate a boat.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil
Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Neil Andersen
Subject: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

 

Fellow list mates,

 

I am facing a VERY tough decision.  I live 7-8 hours away from my boat (it
is in the Chesapeake and I am in central NY state).  That is a long story in
itself, but irrelevant.

 

My boat (1982 C 32) has just had it rigging serviced or replaced as needed
due to a yard incident and I have new floorboards that need their finishing
(underside) completed, etc. etc.  The boat means a lot to me and the family,
but from what I hear, it is showing the fact it is neglected as we are not
able to get down to the boat to keep her up.  The boat hasn't been in the
water since 2009.

 

I don't want to, but am looking to part with the boat unless I can come up
with another reasonable solution.  I don't want to part with her unless it
can go to a good home and/or donate it to a good cause.  I have been told
that she is worth less than $10,000 USD based on the Eastern shore of MD.

 

Thoughts or interest? (Stu, I'll donate part of the proceeds of the sale to
the list if it sells through here)

Neil 

Neil Ande

Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

If you decide to donate, CBMM, as Joe said, is a very good place. We auction
(and sell beforehand, there is a listing on the web which people follow)
about 100+ boats a year, and the program is viewed as one of the best.. I am
a small part, mostly just fetching boats, but have been involved for years -
we have a good reputation. You may want to wait and get the boat cleaned up
- as our auction is on Labor Day weekend, and we are swamped right now and
may not be able to detail the boat adequately to get the most from it. A
couple of years ago, a well-equipped C 27-5 went cheap because every piece
of wood on it was grey and ratty, at the same time, a 1984 Sabre 30 went big
because it looked just the way it came from the factory, including dishes!

 

Where is the boat?

 

Gary, St. Michaels

 

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Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:20 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

 

I am not sure how being on the Shore changes the value of the boat one way
or the other.

I feel your pain - I tried keeping my boat on a mooring for free about 45
minutes from my house and the ability to keep up with boat chores declined a
lot so I moved back the $$$ slip 10 minutes away.

Is there any place local to you the boat could be? 

Joe

Coquina

Btw - the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum is a worthy place to donate a boat.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil
Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Neil Andersen
Subject: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

 

Fellow list mates,

 

I am facing a VERY tough decision.  I live 7-8 hours away from my boat (it
is in the Chesapeake and I am in central NY state).  That is a long story in
itself, but irrelevant.

 

My boat (1982 C 32) has just had it rigging serviced or replaced as needed
due to a yard incident and I have new floorboards that need their finishing
(underside) completed, etc. etc.  The boat means a lot to me and the family,
but from what I hear, it is showing the fact it is neglected as we are not
able to get down to the boat to keep her up.  The boat hasn't been in the
water since 2009.

 

I don't want to, but am looking to part with the boat unless I can come up
with another reasonable solution.  I don't want to part with her unless it
can go to a good home and/or donate it to a good cause.  I have been told
that she is worth less than $10,000 USD based on the Eastern shore of MD.

 

Thoughts or interest? (Stu, I'll donate part of the proceeds of the sale to
the list if it sells through here)

Neil 

Neil Andersen 

315-707-7905 (home)

 <mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com

+++

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the realist adjusts the sails.

 

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Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

The fact that has been on the hard so long is a negative. Dead batteries
bad fuel etc.

If you need to maximize your tax deduction try the Baltimore sailing center
or Sea Scouts.

Joel

On Thursday, August 11, 2016, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Neal,
>
> Joe’s idea of bringing the boat closer to you isn’t a terrible idea.  If
> you could transport the boat closer to home, it could remain on the hard
> until you got the projects sorted out and then, moving forward, find a
> location, perhaps in the Finger Lakes or Southern Adirondacks that would
> allow more frequent use of the boat.  My sister and her family sail on
> Great Sacandaga Reservoir in NY out of the Mayfield YC where membership and
> slip rentals are quite reasonable, plus the lake is over 25 miles long.
> There are a number of sailboats in the 30-35’ range that sail in the area
> and most folks that keep their boats in slips are basically using the boat
> as a summer lake home.  I’m not sure what your launching parameters would
> be (travel lift, hydraulic trailer, etc.) but there must be options for you
> somewhere in the middle part of the state.
>
> Chuck Gilchrest
>
> S/V Half Magic
>
> 1983 Landfall 35
>
> Padanaram, MA
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com');>] *On
> Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:20 AM
> *To:* 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>' <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>>
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov');>>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision
>
>
>
> I am not sure how being on the Shore changes the value of the boat one way
> or the other.
>
> I feel your pain – I tried keeping my boat on a mooring for free about 45
> minutes from my house and the ability to keep up with boat chores declined
> a lot so I moved back the $$$ slip 10 minutes away.
>
> Is there any place local to you the boat could be?
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> Btw – the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum is a worthy place to donate a
> boat.
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com');>] *On
> Behalf Of *Neil Andersen via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:11 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>
> *Cc:* Neil Andersen
> *Subject:* Stus-List A VERY tough decision
>
>
>
> Fellow list mates,
>
>
>
> I am facing a *VERY* tough decision.  I live 7-8 hours away from my boat
> (it is in the Chesapeake and I am in central NY state).  That is a long
> story in itself, but irrelevant.
>
>
>
> My boat (1982 C 32) has just had it rigging serviced or replaced as
> needed due to a yard incident and I have new floorboards that need their
> finishing (underside) completed, etc. etc.  The boat means a lot to me and
> the family, but from what I hear, it is showing the fact it is neglected as
> we are not able to get down to the boat to keep her up.  The boat hasn’t
> been in the water since 2009.
>
>
>
> I don’t want to, but am looking to part with the boat unless I can come up
> with another reasonable solution.  I don’t want to part with her unless it
> can go to a good home and/or donate it to a good cause.  I have been told
> that she is worth less than $10,000 USD based on the Eastern shore of MD.
>
>
>
> Thoughts or interest? (Stu, I’ll donate part of the proceeds of the sale
> to the list if it sells through here)
>
> Neil
>
> Neil Andersen
>
> 315-707-7905 (home)
>
> neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com');>
>
> +++
>
> The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change;
> the realist adjusts the sails.
>
>
>


-- 
Joel
301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Neal,

Joe's idea of bringing the boat closer to you isn't a terrible idea.  If you
could transport the boat closer to home, it could remain on the hard until
you got the projects sorted out and then, moving forward, find a location,
perhaps in the Finger Lakes or Southern Adirondacks that would allow more
frequent use of the boat.  My sister and her family sail on Great Sacandaga
Reservoir in NY out of the Mayfield YC where membership and slip rentals are
quite reasonable, plus the lake is over 25 miles long.  There are a number
of sailboats in the 30-35' range that sail in the area and most folks that
keep their boats in slips are basically using the boat as a summer lake
home.  I'm not sure what your launching parameters would be (travel lift,
hydraulic trailer, etc.) but there must be options for you somewhere in the
middle part of the state.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della
Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:20 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

 

I am not sure how being on the Shore changes the value of the boat one way
or the other.

I feel your pain - I tried keeping my boat on a mooring for free about 45
minutes from my house and the ability to keep up with boat chores declined a
lot so I moved back the $$$ slip 10 minutes away.

Is there any place local to you the boat could be? 

Joe

Coquina

Btw - the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum is a worthy place to donate a boat.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil
Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Neil Andersen
Subject: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

 

Fellow list mates,

 

I am facing a VERY tough decision.  I live 7-8 hours away from my boat (it
is in the Chesapeake and I am in central NY state).  That is a long story in
itself, but irrelevant.

 

My boat (1982 C 32) has just had it rigging serviced or replaced as needed
due to a yard incident and I have new floorboards that need their finishing
(underside) completed, etc. etc.  The boat means a lot to me and the family,
but from what I hear, it is showing the fact it is neglected as we are not
able to get down to the boat to keep her up.  The boat hasn't been in the
water since 2009.

 

I don't want to, but am looking to part with the boat unless I can come up
with another reasonable solution.  I don't want to part with her unless it
can go to a good home and/or donate it to a good cause.  I have been told
that she is worth less than $10,000 USD based on the Eastern shore of MD.

 

Thoughts or interest? (Stu, I'll donate part of the proceeds of the sale to
the list if it sells through here)

Neil 

Neil Andersen 

315-707-7905 (home)

 <mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com

+++

The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change;
the realist adjusts the sails.

 

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Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Thanks Joe.  The problem up here (2 hours north of me is Lake Ontario, the
finger lakes aren't all that big and tend to be narrow) is that the sailing
season is Memorial Day to Labor Day.

 

The Maritime Museum sounds like a worthy cause.

 

Neil

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della
Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:20 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

 

I am not sure how being on the Shore changes the value of the boat one way
or the other.

I feel your pain - I tried keeping my boat on a mooring for free about 45
minutes from my house and the ability to keep up with boat chores declined a
lot so I moved back the $$$ slip 10 minutes away.

Is there any place local to you the boat could be? 

Joe

Coquina

Btw - the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum is a worthy place to donate a boat.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil
Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Neil Andersen
Subject: Stus-List A VERY tough decision

 

Fellow list mates,

 

I am facing a VERY tough decision.  I live 7-8 hours away from my boat (it
is in the Chesapeake and I am in central NY state).  That is a long story in
itself, but irrelevant.

 

My boat (1982 C 32) has just had it rigging serviced or replaced as needed
due to a yard incident and I have new floorboards that need their finishing
(underside) completed, etc. etc.  The boat means a lot to me and the family,
but from what I hear, it is showing the fact it is neglected as we are not
able to get down to the boat to keep her up.  The boat hasn't been in the
water since 2009.

 

I don't want to, but am looking to part with the boat unless I can come up
with another reasonable solution.  I don't want to part with her unless it
can go to a good home and/or donate it to a good cause.  I have been told
that she is worth less than $10,000 USD based on the Eastern shore of MD.

 

Thoughts or interest? (Stu, I'll donate part of the proceeds of the sale to
the list if it sells through here)

Neil 

Neil Andersen 

315-707-7905 (home)

 <mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com

+++

The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change;
the realist adjusts the sails.

 

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