Re: Stus-List C&C 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to

[David Knecht]

Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave to, but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions next summer.  Can you describe the details of getting into this state and staying there?  What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is simple in high winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always lurking nearby.  Thanks- DaveOn Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton  wrote:I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable, either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat...Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove to, relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea under the dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to be an overly (physically) strenuous endeavor.

AndyC&C 40Peregrine
David KnechtAries1990 C&C 34+New London, CT


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Re: Stus-List C&C 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to

[Andrew Burton]

Years ago I had an offshore sailing program called Adventure Sailing that
was dedicated to teaching people how to sail offshore successfully. (Will,
from US Watercraft, who chimes in here occasionally was helping me for many
of those trips.) One of the main objectives was stopping people from
calling the Coasties to pull them off their boats when the wind topped 35
knots and they got tired, scared, and seasick. One of the best way to do
that is to stop and wait for bad weather to go away...as it always does.
And one of the best ways to stop is to heave to.

You don't need to be in extreme conditions for this to work. And in the
delivery business, where the object is to get your clients' boats to their
destination with a minimum of wear and tear, heaving to is often the better
part of valour.

here's an article I wrote on the subject:
http://www.cruisingworld.com/how-to/seamanship/smart-times-for-heaving-to

And another by Andy Schell:
http://www.sailmagazine.com/boat-handling/cruising-tips-heaving

Lin Pardy has a good article in her book, Storm Tactics, about heaving to
using a storm trysail and a sea anchor. I am not a fan of trailing a sea
anchor off the bow on boats like ours due to the strain on the rudder as
the boat is hurled backwards by the seas.

It is certainly possible and practical to heave to in lighter airs. When
you're singlehanded or with a non sailor, it is a good way to stop and use
the head or make a cuppa, or well, I remember sailing in 10 knots of breeze
off Victoria with a lovely red-haired girl on my Dad's C&C 27...

Anyway, take a look at the articles and if you still have questions, let me
know.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:19 AM, David Knecht  wrote:

> Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave
> to, but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions
> next summer.  Can you describe the details of getting into this state and
> staying there?  What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is
> simple in high winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always
> lurking nearby.  Thanks- Dave
>
> On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton 
> wrote:
>
> I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable,
> either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat...
> Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove
> to, relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea
> under the dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to
> be an overly (physically) strenuous endeavor.
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
>
>
>  David Knecht
> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to

[Della Barba, Joe]

Heaving to is pretty easy to practice. Tack but don't let the jib sheet go. On 
the new tack turn the wheel to windward. The rudder is trying to head you up 
and the backwinded jib is doing the opposite, so the boat kind of just sits 
there. Useful for making lunch or taking a dump if you have no autopilot. I 
have never tried it in really bad weather though.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

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Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:20 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to

Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave to, 
but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions next 
summer.  Can you describe the details of getting into this state and staying 
there?  What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is simple in high 
winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always lurking nearby.  Thanks- 
Dave

On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton 
mailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable, 
either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat...
Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove to, 
relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea under the 
dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to be an overly 
(physically) strenuous endeavor.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


David Knecht
Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT

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Re: Stus-List C&C 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to

[Frederick G Street]

Andy — you scoundrel, you…   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Feb 5, 2014, at 8:39 AM, Andrew Burton  wrote:

> I remember sailing in 10 knots of breeze off Victoria with a lovely 
> red-haired girl on my Dad's C&C 27...

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Re: Stus-List C&C 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to

[Rick Brass]

Very practical, Joe, but. no offence. I think we all like Andrew's scenario
better.

 

Rick Brass

 

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Barba, Joe
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:42 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to

 

Heaving to is pretty easy to practice. Tack but don't let the jib sheet go.
On the new tack turn the wheel to windward. The rudder is trying to head you
up and the backwinded jib is doing the opposite, so the boat kind of just
sits there. Useful for making lunch or taking a dump if you have no
autopilot. I have never tried it in really bad weather though.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina 

C&C 35 MK I

 

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Knecht
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:20 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to

 

Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave to,
but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions next
summer.  Can you describe the details of getting into this state and staying
there?  What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is simple in
high winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always lurking nearby.
Thanks- Dave

 

On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton  wrote:

 

I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable,
either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat...

Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove
to, relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea
under the dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to
be an overly (physically) strenuous endeavor.

Andy

C&C 40

Peregrine

 

 

David Knecht

Aries

1990 C&C 34+

New London, CT




 

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Re: Stus-List C&C 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to

[Josh Muckley]

I never had luck or need to be hove-to myself till last spring when a
broken fuel gage left us without engine propulsion.  The Chesapeake was
pretty rough by bay standards.  High frequency 6-10 foot breakers and
20-25kts wind.  We had been running up the shore and, given time, would
have been pushed into the shallows.  We decided being adrift was poor form
especially in the shipping channel despite it's conciderable width.  So, we
gained steerage and began making way by unfurling the headsail and managed
to work the main up into a double reaf through a series of coordinated
pinches into the wind.  Despite no immediate danger we decided that any
attempts to make it up the narrow river for the nearest refueling, under
sail alone, was going to be extremely challenging at best.  We finally gave
in and called BoatUS for a fuel delivery.

After 1-2 hours and repeated phone calls for updated position, the fuel guy
finally says, "You gotta slow down!  You must be goin' 7kts.  I'm only
going 8 in this little 22 foot boat.  I'm getting beat up out here. I can
see ya but I can't catch ya!"

Sure enough directly to our stern there was a tiny glint on the horizon
that was occasionally emphasized by an explosion of water.  We immediately
turned around and within what seemed like 5 minutes we were within hand
signal range.  We performed our less than practiced hove-to, not really
knowing for sure how well behaved the boat would be.  The fuel guy had
fenders out and expertly maneuvered his boat to ours.  Without ever
touching boats he was twice able to get close enough to pass a mooring line
tied to a 5 gallon jug.  We pulled them aboard, fuelled up and motored 5
hours to our originally planned anchorage, finally stopping around
midnight.  In the morning we topped up by adding about 35 gallons to our 40
gallon tank.

In the end I have quite a bit of confidence in being able to perform the
maneuver effortlessly if needed.  The boat makes me look good.  All that
being said the one thing that can go wrong is having two much headsail
compared to main sail.  Every time you think you have it the nose will keep
drifting further and ruther to weather and soon you are downwind and have
to watch for a jibe or possibly worse just crosswind and getting blown
over.  I prefer to keep my headsail off the mast so roller reafing till the
clew is even with the mast is one of my first steps.

A european sailing magazine I was reading actually advised that a hove-to
manuver should be the first thing you do for a MOB.  The boat stops almost
on a dime and will start slowing backing down on the victim.   If unable to
reach the victim in this manner then straighten the wheel, release the
headsail sheet and finish the "tack".  Once making way again any of your
traditional rescue manuvers can be performed (circle, figure 8, etc...)

Good luck and may all if us find ourselves needing to hove-to for a redhead.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
Solomons, MD
On Feb 5, 2014 9:20 AM, "David Knecht"  wrote:

> Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave
> to, but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions
> next summer.  Can you describe the details of getting into this state and
> staying there?  What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is
> simple in high winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always
> lurking nearby.  Thanks- Dave
>
> On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton 
> wrote:
>
> I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable,
> either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat...
> Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove
> to, relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea
> under the dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to
> be an overly (physically) strenuous endeavor.
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
>
>
> David Knecht
> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to

[David]

Did it about 60 miles off of Bermuda in a gale (30+ knots) in short choppy 
seas.   Had the # 3 up and double reefed main.  We were bashing our way in when 
we had to chill things out a bit for a sick passenger.

All we  did was tack without releasing the jib sheet.  Settled right down. You 
think the weather was turned off.  Rather pleasant actually.

I wish I knew this trick when I was 17 and with a blonde on my father's 24'.  
Had the boat doing circles (kind of) and almost ran over a clammer.   Woops.   
Life was good if your Dad had a sailboat with a cabin.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:17:21 -0500
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I never had luck or need to be hove-to myself till last spring when a broken 
fuel gage left us without engine propulsion.  The Chesapeake was pretty rough 
by bay standards.  High frequency 6-10 foot breakers and 20-25kts wind.  We had 
been running up the shore and, given time, would have been pushed into the 
shallows.  We decided being adrift was poor form especially in the shipping 
channel despite it's conciderable width.  So, we gained steerage and began 
making way by unfurling the headsail and managed to work the main up into a 
double reaf through a series of coordinated pinches into the wind.  Despite no 
immediate danger we decided that any attempts to make it up the narrow river 
for the nearest refueling, under sail alone, was going to be extremely 
challenging at best.  We finally gave in and called BoatUS for a fuel delivery. 
 

After 1-2 hours and repeated phone calls for updated position, the fuel guy 
finally says, "You gotta slow down!  You must be goin' 7kts.  I'm only going 8 
in this little 22 foot boat.  I'm getting beat up out here. I can see ya but I 
can't catch ya!"  

Sure enough directly to our stern there was a tiny glint on the horizon that 
was occasionally emphasized by an explosion of water.  We immediately turned 
around and within what seemed like 5 minutes we were within hand signal range.  
We performed our less than practiced hove-to, not really knowing for sure how 
well behaved the boat would be.  The fuel guy had fenders out and expertly 
maneuvered his boat to ours.  Without ever touching boats he was twice able to 
get close enough to pass a mooring line tied to a 5 gallon jug.  We pulled them 
aboard, fuelled up and motored 5 hours to our originally planned anchorage, 
finally stopping around midnight.  In the morning we topped up by adding about 
35 gallons to our 40 gallon tank.

In the end I have quite a bit of confidence in being able to perform the 
maneuver effortlessly if needed.  The boat makes me look good.  All that being 
said the one thing that can go wrong is having two much headsail compared to 
main sail.  Every time you think you have it the nose will keep drifting 
further and ruther to weather and soon you are downwind and have to watch for a 
jibe or possibly worse just crosswind and getting blown over.  I prefer to keep 
my headsail off the mast so roller reafing till the clew is even with the mast 
is one of my first steps.

A european sailing magazine I was reading actually advised that a hove-to 
manuver should be the first thing you do for a MOB.  The boat stops almost on a 
dime and will start slowing backing down on the victim.   If unable to reach 
the victim in this manner then straighten the wheel, release the headsail sheet 
and finish the "tack".  Once making way again any of your traditional rescue 
manuvers can be performed (circle, figure 8, etc...)

Good luck and may all if us find ourselves needing to hove-to for a redhead.
Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

Solomons, MD
On Feb 5, 2014 9:20 AM, "David Knecht"  wrote:

Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave to, 
but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions next 
summer.  Can you describe the details of getting into this state and staying 
there?  What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is simple in high 
winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always lurking nearby.  Thanks- 
Dave

On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton  wrote:

I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable, 
either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat...
Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove to, 
relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea under the 
dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to be an overly 
(physically) strenuous endeavor.




Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine





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Re: Stus-List C&C 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to

[Pete Shelquist]

Another good reason to roll the headsail in enough to clear the mast is to
prevent a spreader from poking a hole in the sail.

 

 

 

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..  All that being said the one thing that can go wrong is having two much
headsail compared to main sail.  .  I prefer to keep my headsail off the
mast so roller reafing till the clew is even with the mast is one of my
first steps.

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Re: Stus-List C&C 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to

[Della Barba, Joe]

Yes it was :)
You do have to make sure your friends don't go on with "remember when you 
and." stories with your wife around though. Danger of having the same boat 
since 1977 I guess.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina

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I wish I knew this trick when I was 17 and with a blonde on my father's 24'.  
Had the boat doing circles (kind of) and almost ran over a clammer.   Woops.   
Life was good if your Dad had a sailboat with a cabin.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)

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