Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Dave Syer via CnC-List]

Interesting indeed.   Going through this now, here are my learnings:

NMEA2200 ("N2K") and seatalk are all CAN bus data backbones, developed by
bosch for automotive use and same as devicenet used in industry for years.
Seatalk NG data is exactly the same as N2K, but Raymarine uses a similar,
but proprietary connector design and conductor count.  This is why you need
adaptor cables between seatalkNG and N2K

The N2K data itself is the same as seatalkNG, even if the cable and
connectors are slightly different.

To share N2K data with an external device  (PC, tablet, whatever) you need
piece of hardware called a gateway.  This usually includes a software tool
that allows you to read the N2K "sentences" and actually observe the
network traffic.  (cool!)  the Actisense NGT-1 is such a gateway, hardwired
only.

http://www.actisense.com/products/nmea-2000/ngt-1/ngt-1.html

There are a few wifi gateways available also.  These are quite expensive.
There is no Bluetooth gateway that I have been able to find, likely because
Bluetooth speeds are simply too slow for N2K.  This is not true of pokey,
old-school Nema 0183, where Bluetooth access is supported (via a
multiplexer).

http://www.digitalyachtamerica.com/index.php/en/products/interfacing/nmea-to-wifi-adaptors

Back on cabling.   N2K cabling and accessories are derived from (a subset
of) the devicenet standard.   You can use the correct form factor devicenet
cable and connectors for N2K applications.   Here is an example of an
industrial vendor who promotes the N2K subset of their offering.

http://www.molex.com/molex/products/family?key=nmea_2000_cables_and_connectors

here is a presentation explaining the N2K standard.  There are others that
cover this ground well.


http://www.nmea.org/Assets/nmea%202000%20mets%202011%20presentation.pdf






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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 14:38:54 +
From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com>
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>snip

 Does this mean that some sort of device such as iPad, iPhone, Android
phone, Windows Tablet can pick up this wifi signal and from that position,
wind speed, boat speed, depth, etc?  I currently have Windows Surface 2
with Navionics Boating HD and this could be useful.  (we also have all
those other devices as well).  Is there any app that we should be using on
these devices with the wifi to make them repeaters?

Thanks

Mike
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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Jerome,

My understanding is that the wifi can be transmitted to a mobile device or
PC, but not to a plotter.  For example, my E7 broadcasts wifi, but I don't
think it receives.
Am I wrong (again)?

Joel

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I would go wireless.   This is from Comar Systems web site.  An NMEA WIFI
> unit provides a low cost method of setting up a wireless network on board
> and to use available Apps on your iPhone, iPad or PC to display all your
> electronic data including position, AIS data, depth, wind, compass etc.
>
>
> With 2 NMEA inputs which are multiplexed to a single high
> speed data output it can transmits NMEA 0183 data over WIFI for viewing on
> a smart phone or
> tablet using suitable Apps or a PC Navigation program, and provides 2 way
> communication between the WIFI device and any suitable NMEA devices. With 2
> inputs, it can accept NMEA 0183 data at 4800 from any GPS, Chart plotter or
> Instruments, plus a 38400 baud input from any AIS
> receiver or transponder, so you only need one unit to collect and transmit
> all the navigation data to your portable device over WIFI.
> For a vessel with a chart plotter at the nav station, using the Comar
> NMEA-2-WIFI, the helmsman can view all the navigation data on deck via an
> iPad or iPhone and for boats with the chart plotter at the helm you can
> check all the critical navigation data down below, making your boats data
> truly portable.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 11, 2015, at 8:26 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Fred
>
>
>
> This reminds me of early Ethernet and Arcnet computer network cabling.  I
> was hoping the days or requiring a terminator were in the far distant past.
>
>
>
> Do you recall if the i50/i60 style networks also require a terminator? It
> seems to me I had to buy a couple of items that look like that is what they
> are
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Frederick G Street via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:48 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Frederick G Street
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
>
>
>
> Jim — is the backbone properly terminated after your addition?  There
> needs to be a terminator at either end of the backbone, after the final “T”
> for equipment spurs.
>
>
>
> Hopefully the “network” line you cut into is the backbone cable, not a
> spur.
>
>
>
> In this instance, you’d have been far better to use all the same type of
> cable/connectors as the existing backbone, then use an adapter cable to go
> to the VHF as needed.  If the existing NMEA2k network was Maretron, for
> example, disconnect the backbone at the location closest to the VHF, put in
> a Maretron “T” and another backbone cable to where you broke it; then a
> Simrad to NMEA2k adapter spur to the VHF.
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Joel,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
>
>
> With the NMEA 2000 cable connected, I only have the NMEA 0183 source
> available on that menu.  That is how I drew the conclusion that the radio
> does not see the 2000 network.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:32 PM
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc: *Joel Aronson
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
>
>
>
>
>
> Manual says:
>
>
>
> This radio can use either NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 protocol to *receive *GPS
> data from a
>
> compatible GPS unit.
>
> Note: NMEA 2000 SOURCE options will appear (up to 4 sources showing the
> actual source
>
> name) only if an NMEA 2000 network is connected to the radio and is
> operational.
>
> RADIO SETUP
>
> WX ALERT ▲
>
> COM PORT
>
> ►GPS SOURCE
>
> FAV CH SETU
>
> GPS SOURCE
>
> ►NMEA0183
>
> LGC3000
>
> LCX113CHD
>
> 1. Select RADIO SETUP then GPS SOURCE. (If there is only one NMEA protocol
> available on
>
> your vessel, only that will be shown).
>
> 2. Select the desired NMEA source then press ENT.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
>
>

Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

I would go wireless.   This is from Comar Systems web site.  An NMEA WIFI unit 
provides a low cost method of setting up a wireless network on board and to use 
available Apps on your iPhone, iPad or PC to display all your electronic data 
including position, AIS data, depth, wind, compass etc.

With 2 NMEA inputs which are multiplexed to a single high
speed data output it can transmits NMEA 0183 data over WIFI for viewing on a 
smart phone or
tablet using suitable Apps or a PC Navigation program, and provides 2 way 
communication between the WIFI device and any suitable NMEA devices. With 2 
inputs, it can accept NMEA 0183 data at 4800 from any GPS, Chart plotter or 
Instruments, plus a 38400 baud input from any AIS
receiver or transponder, so you only need one unit to collect and transmit all 
the navigation data to your portable device over WIFI.
For a vessel with a chart plotter at the nav station, using the Comar 
NMEA-2-WIFI, the helmsman can view all the navigation data on deck via an iPad 
or iPhone and for boats with the chart plotter at the helm you can check all 
the critical navigation data down below, making your boats data truly portable.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2015, at 8:26 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Fred
>  
> This reminds me of early Ethernet and Arcnet computer network cabling.  I was 
> hoping the days or requiring a terminator were in the far distant past.
>  
> Do you recall if the i50/i60 style networks also require a terminator? It 
> seems to me I had to buy a couple of items that look like that is what they 
> are
>  
> Mike
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick 
> G Street via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:48 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Frederick G Street
> Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
>  
> Jim — is the backbone properly terminated after your addition?  There needs 
> to be a terminator at either end of the backbone, after the final “T” for 
> equipment spurs.
>  
> Hopefully the “network” line you cut into is the backbone cable, not a spur.
>  
> In this instance, you’d have been far better to use all the same type of 
> cable/connectors as the existing backbone, then use an adapter cable to go to 
> the VHF as needed.  If the existing NMEA2k network was Maretron, for example, 
> disconnect the backbone at the location closest to the VHF, put in a Maretron 
> “T” and another backbone cable to where you broke it; then a Simrad to NMEA2k 
> adapter spur to the VHF.
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>  
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>  
> Joel,
>  
> Thanks for the reply.
>  
> With the NMEA 2000 cable connected, I only have the NMEA 0183 source 
> available on that menu.  That is how I drew the conclusion that the radio 
> does not see the 2000 network.
>  
> Jim
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
>  
> 
> From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:32 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Joel Aronson
> Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
>  
>  
> Manual says:
>  
> This radio can use either NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 protocol to receive GPS data 
> from a
> compatible GPS unit.
> Note: NMEA 2000 SOURCE options will appear (up to 4 sources showing the 
> actual source
> name) only if an NMEA 2000 network is connected to the radio and is 
> operational.
> RADIO SETUP
> WX ALERT ▲
> COM PORT
> ►GPS SOURCE
> FAV CH SETU
> GPS SOURCE
> ►NMEA0183
> LGC3000
> LCX113CHD
> 1. Select RADIO SETUP then GPS SOURCE. (If there is only one NMEA protocol 
> available on
> your vessel, only that will be shown).
> 2. Select the desired NMEA source then press ENT.
>  
>  
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Hello All,
>  
> Helping a friend add a Simrad RS-35 VHF radio with AIS receiver to his 
> existing B instrument system.  That currently has 2 Triton displays, a Zeus 
> Touch 7 MFD plus wind and speed/depth transducers.  Everything is connected 
> via NMEA 2000, there is no 0183 on the boat.  There was no convenient place 
> to tap into an existing T connector, but there was an existing network line 
> running close to the radio.  We bought 2 Maretron micro-c field installable 
> connectors, a premade Maretron cable and a Lowrance T connector.  I could not 
> find Lowrance/B connectors anywhere.  I cut the network wire and wired the 
> new connectors according to the color code on the connectors.  The color code 
> on the connectors ma

Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Joel — you’re correct.  The WiFi on the Raymarine MFDs is there only to allow 
connectivity for their iOS/Android apps to mirror and/or control the display.  
You can’t connect the MFD to a WiFi access point.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Sep 11, 2015, at 8:57 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jerome,
> 
> My understanding is that the wifi can be transmitted to a mobile device or 
> PC, but not to a plotter.  For example, my E7 broadcasts wifi, but I don't 
> think it receives.
> Am I wrong (again)?
> 
> Joel

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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I am confused as well, I have not figured all the nuances out with the 
Raymarine, but I understand the Navionics takes sounding data and uploads for 
the common good. Found this on their site, does this mean it transfers date to 
your mobile device, then to them?

 

navionics.com

Press release

Plotter Sync

to include wireless 

chart updates for 

Raymarine!

Navionics, the leader in content and location-based 

services for the recreational boating and outdoor 

markets, announced today significant expansion of its 

innovative Plotter Sync functionality for use this spring 

with Raymarine WiFi-enabled multifunction displays. 

Plotter Sync leverages the power of the Navionics 

Boating and Marine & Lakes mobile applications 

for iPhone and iPad and the wireless capabilities of 

Raymarine chartplotters to deliver an exciting new level 

of data sharing to and from the Navionics Freshest Data 

servers. With Navionics Plotter Sync and a WiFi-enabled 

Raymarine system, boaters can enjoy the peace of mind 

that comes with knowing they always have the most 

current charts on their boats, as well as participate in 

the Navionics SonarCharts™ program to continuously 

enhance available mapping detail for everyone.

Plotter Sync updates Navionics chart cards with Freshest 

Data via Navionics Boating or Marine & Lakes without 

removing the card from a plotter. Plotter Sync also 

enables active SonarCharts™ users to share logged 

data quickly and easily. Logs automatically sync with 

the mobile app and are uploaded directly to the 

Navionics server for incorporation within the Navionics 

SonarCharts™ layer. Manual PC upload compatibility 

with Raymarine sonar logs will also be supported with 

Raymarine’s spring release of LightHouse II software. 

“Navionics Freshest Data is the only solution on the market 

that ensures boaters access to the most current charting 

data available on a daily basis and with Plotter Sync, 

the process of accessing that data is now effortless,” 

said 

Giuseppe Carnevali, president, Navionics. 

To use Plotter Sync, boaters with a compatible 

Raymarine WiFi-enabled system simply download 

the Navionics Boating or Marine & Lakes app to their 

iPhone or iPad, and register their new chart cards on 

the Navionics website. Freshest Data is automatically 

downloaded to the mobile app, and when connected 

wirelessly with a Raymarine plotter, the mobile device 

transmits up-to-date chart information directly to the 

chart card. The new Plotter Sync functionality is the 

latest innovative enhancement to Navionics Boating and 

Marine & Lakes — the world’s best selling mobile apps 

that provide boaters access to the same great charting 

detail, powerful features and location-based services 

and information found on today’s GPS chartplotters, 

right in the palm of their hand.

Availability

Navionics Plotter Sync for compatible chartplotters will 

be available this spring. For more information on the 

Navionics Plotter Sync or to learn more about Navionics 

and its entire product line, please visit navionics.com.

For further information please write to:

market...@navionics.com

 

 

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie PA

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 9:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

 

Jerome,

 

My understanding is that the wifi can be transmitted to a mobile device or PC, 
but not to a plotter.  For example, my E7 broadcasts wifi, but I don't think it 
receives.

Am I wrong (again)?

 

Joel

 

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

I would go wireless.   This is from Comar Systems web site.  An NMEA WIFI unit 
provides a low cost method of setting up a wireless network on board and to use 
available Apps on your iPhone, iPad or PC to display all your electronic data 
including position, AIS data, depth, wind, compass etc.


With 2 NMEA inputs which are multiplexed to a single high
speed data output it can transmits NMEA 0183 data over WIFI for viewing on a 
smart phone or
tablet using suitable Apps or a PC Navigation program, and provides 2 way 
communication between the WIFI device and any suitable NMEA devices. With 2 
inputs, it can accept NMEA 0183 data at 4800 from any GPS, Chart plotter or 
Instruments, plus a 38400 baud input from any AIS
receiver or transponder, so you only need one unit to collect and transmit all 
the navigation data to your portable device over WIFI.
For a vessel with a chart plotter at the nav station, using the Comar 
NMEA-2-WIFI, the helmsman can view all the navigation data on deck via an iPad 
or iPhone and for boats with the chart plotter at the helm you can check all 
the critical navigation data down below, making your boats data truly portable.

 


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 11, 2015, a

Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

Mike

Or how about hand soldering dozens of resistors to terminate an S100 backplane. 
It was a major advance when the buss engineers learned to stop worrying and 
love reactance. 
(with apologies to Dr. Strangelove)

Steve
  - Original Message - 
  From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
  Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 08:26
  Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling


  Fred

   

  This reminds me of early Ethernet and Arcnet computer network cabling.  I was 
hoping the days or requiring a terminator were in the far distant past.

   

  Do you recall if the i50/i60 style networks also require a terminator? It 
seems to me I had to buy a couple of items that look like that is what they are

   

  Mike

   

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick 
G Street via CnC-List
  Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:48 PM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: Frederick G Street
  Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

   

  Jim — is the backbone properly terminated after your addition?  There needs 
to be a terminator at either end of the backbone, after the final “T” for 
equipment spurs.

   

  Hopefully the “network” line you cut into is the backbone cable, not a spur.

   

  In this instance, you’d have been far better to use all the same type of 
cable/connectors as the existing backbone, then use an adapter cable to go to 
the VHF as needed.  If the existing NMEA2k network was Maretron, for example, 
disconnect the backbone at the location closest to the VHF, put in a Maretron 
“T” and another backbone cable to where you broke it; then a Simrad to NMEA2k 
adapter spur to the VHF.


  Fred Street -- Minneapolis
  S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

   

On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

 

Joel,

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

With the NMEA 2000 cable connected, I only have the NMEA 0183 source 
available on that menu.  That is how I drew the conclusion that the radio does 
not see the 2000 network.

 

Jim

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:32 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

 

 

Manual says:

 

This radio can use either NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 protocol to receive GPS 
data from a

compatible GPS unit.

Note: NMEA 2000 SOURCE options will appear (up to 4 sources showing the 
actual source

name) only if an NMEA 2000 network is connected to the radio and is 
operational.

RADIO SETUP

WX ALERT ▲

COM PORT

►GPS SOURCE

FAV CH SETU

GPS SOURCE

►NMEA0183

LGC3000

LCX113CHD

1. Select RADIO SETUP then GPS SOURCE. (If there is only one NMEA protocol 
available on

your vessel, only that will be shown).

2. Select the desired NMEA source then press ENT.

 

 

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

  Hello All,

   

  Helping a friend add a Simrad RS-35 VHF radio with AIS receiver to his 
existing B instrument system.  That currently has 2 Triton displays, a Zeus 
Touch 7 MFD plus wind and speed/depth transducers.  Everything is connected via 
NMEA 2000, there is no 0183 on the boat.  There was no convenient place to tap 
into an existing T connector, but there was an existing network line running 
close to the radio.  We bought 2 Maretron micro-c field installable connectors, 
a premade Maretron cable and a Lowrance T connector.  I could not find 
Lowrance/B connectors anywhere.  I cut the network wire and wired the new 
connectors according to the color code on the connectors.  The color code on 
the connectors matched the colors in the B wire, so I figured I was good to 
go.  When I hook things back up, the existing instruments work fine, but the 
new radio is not seen by the Zeus, nor does the radio see the network.  Since 
the existing stuff all works fine, I am assuming that the wires are connected 
in the same positions on the connectors.  When I unplug it, I lose all the 
transducers.   

   

  I am currently thinking that either the new premade cable is bad, or 
Simrad B uses a different pinout for their connectors than the one specified 
by NMEA, which Maretron follows.  I plan to test the cable using one from my 
boat, but can anyone confirm the pinout on a B system for me?  Any other 
ideas about what to check?

   

  Thanks,

   

  Jim Reinardy

  C 30-2 “Firewater”

  Milwaukee, WI



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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Fred

This reminds me of early Ethernet and Arcnet computer network cabling.  I was 
hoping the days or requiring a terminator were in the far distant past.

Do you recall if the i50/i60 style networks also require a terminator? It seems 
to me I had to buy a couple of items that look like that is what they are

Mike

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

Jim — is the backbone properly terminated after your addition?  There needs to 
be a terminator at either end of the backbone, after the final “T” for 
equipment spurs.

Hopefully the “network” line you cut into is the backbone cable, not a spur.

In this instance, you’d have been far better to use all the same type of 
cable/connectors as the existing backbone, then use an adapter cable to go to 
the VHF as needed.  If the existing NMEA2k network was Maretron, for example, 
disconnect the backbone at the location closest to the VHF, put in a Maretron 
“T” and another backbone cable to where you broke it; then a Simrad to NMEA2k 
adapter spur to the VHF.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Joel,

Thanks for the reply.

With the NMEA 2000 cable connected, I only have the NMEA 0183 source available 
on that menu.  That is how I drew the conclusion that the radio does not see 
the 2000 network.

Jim

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From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:32 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling


Manual says:

This radio can use either NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 protocol to receive GPS data 
from a
compatible GPS unit.
Note: NMEA 2000 SOURCE options will appear (up to 4 sources showing the actual 
source
name) only if an NMEA 2000 network is connected to the radio and is operational.
RADIO SETUP
WX ALERT ▲
COM PORT
►GPS SOURCE
FAV CH SETU
GPS SOURCE
►NMEA0183
LGC3000
LCX113CHD
1. Select RADIO SETUP then GPS SOURCE. (If there is only one NMEA protocol 
available on
your vessel, only that will be shown).
2. Select the desired NMEA source then press ENT.


On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hello All,

Helping a friend add a Simrad RS-35 VHF radio with AIS receiver to his existing 
B instrument system.  That currently has 2 Triton displays, a Zeus Touch 7 
MFD plus wind and speed/depth transducers.  Everything is connected via NMEA 
2000, there is no 0183 on the boat.  There was no convenient place to tap into 
an existing T connector, but there was an existing network line running close 
to the radio.  We bought 2 Maretron micro-c field installable connectors, a 
premade Maretron cable and a Lowrance T connector.  I could not find 
Lowrance/B connectors anywhere.  I cut the network wire and wired the new 
connectors according to the color code on the connectors.  The color code on 
the connectors matched the colors in the B wire, so I figured I was good to 
go.  When I hook things back up, the existing instruments work fine, but the 
new radio is not seen by the Zeus, nor does the radio see the network.  Since 
the existing stuff all works fine, I am assuming that the wires are connected 
in the same positions on the connectors.  When I unplug it, I lose all the 
transducers.

I am currently thinking that either the new premade cable is bad, or Simrad B 
uses a different pinout for their connectors than the one specified by NMEA, 
which Maretron follows.  I plan to test the cable using one from my boat, but 
can anyone confirm the pinout on a B system for me?  Any other ideas about 
what to check?

Thanks,

Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 “Firewater”
Milwaukee, WI
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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Barry Lenoble via CnC-List]

Hey,

 

Raymarine has the software you are looking for.

 

Go here and download:

http://www.raymarine.com/view/?id=4954

 

Barry

 

Barry Lenoble

leno...@optonline.net

Deep Blue C, 2002 C 110

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 10:39 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

 

Fred

 

This is very interesting.

 

Our Raymarine A65 is connected to our i50 speed, i50 depth and i60 Wind and can 
display all of this data.  I note that the A65 also has wifi connectivity.

 

Does this mean that some sort of device such as iPad, iPhone, Android phone, 
Windows Tablet can pick up this wifi signal and from that position, wind speed, 
boat speed, depth, etc?  I currently have Windows Surface 2 with Navionics 
Boating HD and this could be useful.  (we also have all those other devices as 
well).  Is there any app that we should be using on these devices with the wifi 
to make them repeaters?

 

Thanks

 

Mike

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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Jim — one of the parts I can get is a Lowrance to Simrad connection kit:



It has a “T”, a short spur cable and an adapter to Simrad’s drop cable.  $99.00.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Sep 10, 2015, at 4:44 PM, Frederick G Street  wrote:
> 
> Jim -- I'm pretty sure I can get the Simrad/Lowrance network parts from one 
> of my vendors.
> 
> -- Fred
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
>> Fred,
>>  
>> It’s a good thought, I will trace that back.  One of the ends has to be the 
>> wind transducer, which has an integral terminator in the B world.  I did 
>> not open up the displays to see where the terminator is on the other end 
>> though.  I assume it is at the helm on either the Zeus or one of the 
>> Tritons, but I should confirm it.  
>>  
>> I understand what you are saying about mixing vendors.  The backbone is 
>> Lowrance, the brand Simrad uses for their NMEA parts for some reason.  I 
>> really wanted to find Simrad/Lowrance connectors to go with the T connector, 
>> but could never locate a source or even a part number.   I am wondering 
>> where there installers get them, or if they have access to things I don’t.  
>> Thanks for the reply.
>>  
>> Regards,
>>  
>> Jim

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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Fred

This is very interesting.

Our Raymarine A65 is connected to our i50 speed, i50 depth and i60 Wind and can 
display all of this data.  I note that the A65 also has wifi connectivity.

Does this mean that some sort of device such as iPad, iPhone, Android phone, 
Windows Tablet can pick up this wifi signal and from that position, wind speed, 
boat speed, depth, etc?  I currently have Windows Surface 2 with Navionics 
Boating HD and this could be useful.  (we also have all those other devices as 
well).  Is there any app that we should be using on these devices with the wifi 
to make them repeaters?

Thanks

Mike

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 11:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

Joel — you’re correct.  The WiFi on the Raymarine MFDs is there only to allow 
connectivity for their iOS/Android apps to mirror and/or control the display.  
You can’t connect the MFD to a WiFi access point.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Sep 11, 2015, at 8:57 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Jerome,

My understanding is that the wifi can be transmitted to a mobile device or PC, 
but not to a plotter.  For example, my E7 broadcasts wifi, but I don't think it 
receives.
Am I wrong (again)?

Joel

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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Jim -- I'm pretty sure I can get the Simrad/Lowrance network parts from one of 
my vendors.

-- Fred



> On Sep 10, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Fred,
>  
> It’s a good thought, I will trace that back.  One of the ends has to be the 
> wind transducer, which has an integral terminator in the B world.  I did 
> not open up the displays to see where the terminator is on the other end 
> though.  I assume it is at the helm on either the Zeus or one of the Tritons, 
> but I should confirm it. 
>  
> I understand what you are saying about mixing vendors.  The backbone is 
> Lowrance, the brand Simrad uses for their NMEA parts for some reason.  I 
> really wanted to find Simrad/Lowrance connectors to go with the T connector, 
> but could never locate a source or even a part number.   I am wondering where 
> there installers get them, or if they have access to things I don’t.  Thanks 
> for the reply.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Jim
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
>  
> 
> From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:48 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Frederick G Street
> Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
>  
>  
> Jim — is the backbone properly terminated after your addition?  There needs 
> to be a terminator at either end of the backbone, after the final “T” for 
> equipment spurs.
>  
> Hopefully the “network” line you cut into is the backbone cable, not a spur.
>  
> In this instance, you’d have been far better to use all the same type of 
> cable/connectors as the existing backbone, then use an adapter cable to go to 
> the VHF as needed.  If the existing NMEA2k network was Maretron, for example, 
> disconnect the backbone at the location closest to the VHF, put in a Maretron 
> “T” and another backbone cable to where you broke it; then a Simrad to NMEA2k 
> adapter spur to the VHF.
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>  
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>  
> Joel,
>  
> Thanks for the reply.
>  
> With the NMEA 2000 cable connected, I only have the NMEA 0183 source 
> available on that menu.  That is how I drew the conclusion that the radio 
> does not see the 2000 network.
>  
> Jim
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
>  
> 
> From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:32 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Joel Aronson
> Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
>  
>  
> Manual says:
>  
> This radio can use either NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 protocol to receive GPS data 
> from a
> compatible GPS unit.
> Note: NMEA 2000 SOURCE options will appear (up to 4 sources showing the 
> actual source
> name) only if an NMEA 2000 network is connected to the radio and is 
> operational.
> RADIO SETUP
> WX ALERT ▲
> COM PORT
> ►GPS SOURCE
> FAV CH SETU
> GPS SOURCE
> ►NMEA0183
> LGC3000
> LCX113CHD
> 1. Select RADIO SETUP then GPS SOURCE. (If there is only one NMEA protocol 
> available on
> your vessel, only that will be shown).
> 2. Select the desired NMEA source then press ENT.
>  
>  
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Hello All,
>  
> Helping a friend add a Simrad RS-35 VHF radio with AIS receiver to his 
> existing B instrument system.  That currently has 2 Triton displays, a Zeus 
> Touch 7 MFD plus wind and speed/depth transducers.  Everything is connected 
> via NMEA 2000, there is no 0183 on the boat.  There was no convenient place 
> to tap into an existing T connector, but there was an existing network line 
> running close to the radio.  We bought 2 Maretron micro-c field installable 
> connectors, a premade Maretron cable and a Lowrance T connector.  I could not 
> find Lowrance/B connectors anywhere.  I cut the network wire and wired the 
> new connectors according to the color code on the connectors.  The color code 
> on the connectors matched the colors in the B wire, so I figured I was good 
> to go.  When I hook things back up, the existing instruments work fine, but 
> the new radio is not seen by the Zeus, nor does the radio see the network.  
> Since the existing stuff all works fine, I am assuming that the wires are 
> connected in the same positions on the connectors.  When I unplug it, I lose 
> all the transducers.   
>  
> I am currently thinking that either the new premade cable is bad, or Simrad 
> B uses a different pinout for their connectors than the one specified by 
> NMEA, which Maretron follows.  I plan 

Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

Fred,

I will be doing some more troubleshooting this weekend and if I can’t get it 
solved, I will likely come looking for those.  Sorry, I didn’t realize you had 
contacts there, I think of you as a Raymarine guy for instruments.

Jim

Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling


Jim -- I'm pretty sure I can get the Simrad/Lowrance network parts from one of 
my vendors.

-- Fred


On Sep 10, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
Fred,
 
It’s a good thought, I will trace that back.  One of the ends has to be the 
wind transducer, which has an integral terminator in the B world.  I did not 
open up the displays to see where the terminator is on the other end though.  I 
assume it is at the helm on either the Zeus or one of the Tritons, but I should 
confirm it.  
 
I understand what you are saying about mixing vendors.  The backbone is 
Lowrance, the brand Simrad uses for their NMEA parts for some reason.  I really 
wanted to find Simrad/Lowrance connectors to go with the T connector, but could 
never locate a source or even a part number.   I am wondering where there 
installers get them, or if they have access to things I don’t.  Thanks for the 
reply.
 
Regards,
 
Jim
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
 

From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
 
 
Jim — is the backbone properly terminated after your addition?  There needs to 
be a terminator at either end of the backbone, after the final “T” for 
equipment spurs.
 
Hopefully the “network” line you cut into is the backbone cable, not a spur.
 
In this instance, you’d have been far better to use all the same type of 
cable/connectors as the existing backbone, then use an adapter cable to go to 
the VHF as needed.  If the existing NMEA2k network was Maretron, for example, 
disconnect the backbone at the location closest to the VHF, put in a Maretron 
“T” and another backbone cable to where you broke it; then a Simrad to NMEA2k 
adapter spur to the VHF.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
 
On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
 
Joel,
 
Thanks for the reply.
 
With the NMEA 2000 cable connected, I only have the NMEA 0183 source available 
on that menu.  That is how I drew the conclusion that the radio does not see 
the 2000 network.
 
Jim
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:32 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
 
 
Manual says:
 
This radio can use either NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 protocol to receive GPS data 
from a
compatible GPS unit.
Note: NMEA 2000 SOURCE options will appear (up to 4 sources showing the actual 
source
name) only if an NMEA 2000 network is connected to the radio and is operational.
RADIO SETUP
WX ALERT ▲
COM PORT
►GPS SOURCE
FAV CH SETU
GPS SOURCE
►NMEA0183
LGC3000
LCX113CHD
1. Select RADIO SETUP then GPS SOURCE. (If there is only one NMEA protocol 
available on
your vessel, only that will be shown).
2. Select the desired NMEA source then press ENT.
 
 
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Hello All,
 
Helping a friend add a Simrad RS-35 VHF radio with AIS receiver to his existing 
B instrument system.  That currently has 2 Triton displays, a Zeus Touch 7 
MFD plus wind and speed/depth transducers.  Everything is connected via NMEA 
2000, there is no 0183 on the boat.  There was no convenient place to tap into 
an existing T connector, but there was an existing network line running close 
to the radio.  We bought 2 Maretron micro-c field installable connectors, a 
premade Maretron cable and a Lowrance T connector.  I could not find 
Lowrance/B connectors anywhere.  I cut the network wire and wired the new 
connectors according to the color code on the connectors.  The color code on 
the connectors matched the colors in the B wire, so I figured I was good to 
go.  When I hook things back up, the existing instruments work fine, but the 
new radio is not seen by the Zeus, nor does the radio see the network.  Since 
the existing stuff all works fine, I am assuming that the wires are connected 
in the same positions on the connectors.  When I unplug it, I lose all the 
transducers.   
 
I am currently thinking that either the new premade cable is bad, or Simrad B 
uses a different pinout for their connectors than the one specified by NMEA, 
which Maretron follows.  I plan to test the cable using one from my boat, but 
can anyone confirm the pinout on a B system for me?  Any other ideas about 
what to check?
 
Thanks,
 
Jim Reinardy

Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

My vendor is brand-agnostic...   :^)

-- Fred



> On Sep 10, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I didn’t realize you had contacts there, I think of you as a Raymarine 
> guy for instruments.

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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

Joel,

Thanks for the reply.

With the NMEA 2000 cable connected, I only have the NMEA 0183 source available 
on that menu.  That is how I drew the conclusion that the radio does not see 
the 2000 network.

Jim

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From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:32 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling


Manual says:

This radio can use either NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 protocol to receive GPS data 
from a
compatible GPS unit.
Note: NMEA 2000 SOURCE options will appear (up to 4 sources showing the actual 
source
name) only if an NMEA 2000 network is connected to the radio and is operational.
RADIO SETUP
WX ALERT ▲
COM PORT
►GPS SOURCE
FAV CH SETU
GPS SOURCE
►NMEA0183
LGC3000
LCX113CHD
1. Select RADIO SETUP then GPS SOURCE. (If there is only one NMEA protocol 
available on
your vessel, only that will be shown).
2. Select the desired NMEA source then press ENT.


On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Hello All,
 
Helping a friend add a Simrad RS-35 VHF radio with AIS receiver to his existing 
B instrument system.  That currently has 2 Triton displays, a Zeus Touch 7 
MFD plus wind and speed/depth transducers.  Everything is connected via NMEA 
2000, there is no 0183 on the boat.  There was no convenient place to tap into 
an existing T connector, but there was an existing network line running close 
to the radio.  We bought 2 Maretron micro-c field installable connectors, a 
premade Maretron cable and a Lowrance T connector.  I could not find 
Lowrance/B connectors anywhere.  I cut the network wire and wired the new 
connectors according to the color code on the connectors.  The color code on 
the connectors matched the colors in the B wire, so I figured I was good to 
go.  When I hook things back up, the existing instruments work fine, but the 
new radio is not seen by the Zeus, nor does the radio see the network.  Since 
the existing stuff all works fine, I am assuming that the wires are connected 
in the same positions on the connectors.  When I unplug it, I lose all the 
transducers.   
 
I am currently thinking that either the new premade cable is bad, or Simrad B 
uses a different pinout for their connectors than the one specified by NMEA, 
which Maretron follows.  I plan to test the cable using one from my boat, but 
can anyone confirm the pinout on a B system for me?  Any other ideas about 
what to check?
 
Thanks,
 
Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 “Firewater”
Milwaukee, WI 
 
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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

Thanks, I agree. None of the 0183 wires are connected to anything, so there is 
no way it is getting a signal on that protocol.  I chalked it up to a default 
setting of some sort, but it may also indicate a problem with the radio.

Jim

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From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling


Jim,

Weird!  Nothing should show as a 183 source.​  Either a bad connection or a bad 
radio.
The manual is not any help on external connections.

Good luck

Joel


On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Joel,
 
Thanks for the reply.
 
With the NMEA 2000 cable connected, I only have the NMEA 0183 source available 
on that menu.  That is how I drew the conclusion that the radio does not see 
the 2000 network.
 
Jim
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:32 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
 
 
Manual says:
 
This radio can use either NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 protocol to receive GPS data 
from a
compatible GPS unit.
Note: NMEA 2000 SOURCE options will appear (up to 4 sources showing the actual 
source
name) only if an NMEA 2000 network is connected to the radio and is operational.
RADIO SETUP
WX ALERT ▲
COM PORT
►GPS SOURCE
FAV CH SETU
GPS SOURCE
►NMEA0183
LGC3000
LCX113CHD
1. Select RADIO SETUP then GPS SOURCE. (If there is only one NMEA protocol 
available on
your vessel, only that will be shown).
2. Select the desired NMEA source then press ENT.
 
 
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Hello All,
 
Helping a friend add a Simrad RS-35 VHF radio with AIS receiver to his existing 
B instrument system.  That currently has 2 Triton displays, a Zeus Touch 7 
MFD plus wind and speed/depth transducers.  Everything is connected via NMEA 
2000, there is no 0183 on the boat.  There was no convenient place to tap into 
an existing T connector, but there was an existing network line running close 
to the radio.  We bought 2 Maretron micro-c field installable connectors, a 
premade Maretron cable and a Lowrance T connector.  I could not find 
Lowrance/B connectors anywhere.  I cut the network wire and wired the new 
connectors according to the color code on the connectors.  The color code on 
the connectors matched the colors in the B wire, so I figured I was good to 
go.  When I hook things back up, the existing instruments work fine, but the 
new radio is not seen by the Zeus, nor does the radio see the network.  Since 
the existing stuff all works fine, I am assuming that the wires are connected 
in the same positions on the connectors.  When I unplug it, I lose all the 
transducers.   
 
I am currently thinking that either the new premade cable is bad, or Simrad B 
uses a different pinout for their connectors than the one specified by NMEA, 
which Maretron follows.  I plan to test the cable using one from my boat, but 
can anyone confirm the pinout on a B system for me?  Any other ideas about 
what to check?
 
Thanks,
 
Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 “Firewater”
Milwaukee, WI 
 
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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Jim — is the backbone properly terminated after your addition?  There needs to 
be a terminator at either end of the backbone, after the final “T” for 
equipment spurs.

Hopefully the “network” line you cut into is the backbone cable, not a spur.

In this instance, you’d have been far better to use all the same type of 
cable/connectors as the existing backbone, then use an adapter cable to go to 
the VHF as needed.  If the existing NMEA2k network was Maretron, for example, 
disconnect the backbone at the location closest to the VHF, put in a Maretron 
“T” and another backbone cable to where you broke it; then a Simrad to NMEA2k 
adapter spur to the VHF.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Joel,
>  
> Thanks for the reply.
>  
> With the NMEA 2000 cable connected, I only have the NMEA 0183 source 
> available on that menu.  That is how I drew the conclusion that the radio 
> does not see the 2000 network.
>  
> Jim
>  
> Sent from Mail <http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>  
>  
> 
> From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:32 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Joel Aronson
> Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
>  
>  
> Manual says:
>  
> This radio can use either NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 protocol to receive GPS data 
> from a
> compatible GPS unit.
> Note: NMEA 2000 SOURCE options will appear (up to 4 sources showing the 
> actual source
> name) only if an NMEA 2000 network is connected to the radio and is 
> operational.
> RADIO SETUP
> WX ALERT ▲
> COM PORT
> ►GPS SOURCE
> FAV CH SETU
> GPS SOURCE
> ►NMEA0183
> LGC3000
> LCX113CHD
> 1. Select RADIO SETUP then GPS SOURCE. (If there is only one NMEA protocol 
> available on
> your vessel, only that will be shown).
> 2. Select the desired NMEA source then press ENT.
>  
>  
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Hello All,
>  
> Helping a friend add a Simrad RS-35 VHF radio with AIS receiver to his 
> existing B instrument system.  That currently has 2 Triton displays, a Zeus 
> Touch 7 MFD plus wind and speed/depth transducers.  Everything is connected 
> via NMEA 2000, there is no 0183 on the boat.  There was no convenient place 
> to tap into an existing T connector, but there was an existing network line 
> running close to the radio.  We bought 2 Maretron micro-c field installable 
> connectors, a premade Maretron cable and a Lowrance T connector.  I could not 
> find Lowrance/B connectors anywhere.  I cut the network wire and wired the 
> new connectors according to the color code on the connectors.  The color code 
> on the connectors matched the colors in the B wire, so I figured I was good 
> to go.  When I hook things back up, the existing instruments work fine, but 
> the new radio is not seen by the Zeus, nor does the radio see the network.  
> Since the existing stuff all works fine, I am assuming that the wires are 
> connected in the same positions on the connectors.  When I unplug it, I lose 
> all the transducers.   
>  
> I am currently thinking that either the new premade cable is bad, or Simrad 
> B uses a different pinout for their connectors than the one specified by 
> NMEA, which Maretron follows.  I plan to test the cable using one from my 
> boat, but can anyone confirm the pinout on a B system for me?  Any other 
> ideas about what to check?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Jim Reinardy
> C 30-2 “Firewater”
> Milwaukee, WI
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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Jim,

Weird!  Nothing should show as a 183 source.​  Either a bad connection or a
bad radio.
The manual is not any help on external connections.

Good luck

Joel


On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Joel,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
>
>
> With the NMEA 2000 cable connected, I only have the NMEA 0183 source
> available on that menu.  That is how I drew the conclusion that the radio
> does not see the 2000 network.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:32 PM
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc: *Joel Aronson
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
>
>
>
>
>
> Manual says:
>
>
>
> This radio can use either NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 protocol to* receive *GPS
> data from a
>
> compatible GPS unit.
>
> Note: NMEA 2000 SOURCE options will appear (up to 4 sources showing the
> actual source
>
> name) only if an NMEA 2000 network is connected to the radio and is
> operational.
>
> RADIO SETUP
>
> WX ALERT ▲
>
> COM PORT
>
> ►GPS SOURCE
>
> FAV CH SETU
>
> GPS SOURCE
>
> ►NMEA0183
>
> LGC3000
>
> LCX113CHD
>
> 1. Select RADIO SETUP then GPS SOURCE. (If there is only one NMEA protocol
> available on
>
> your vessel, only that will be shown).
>
> 2. Select the desired NMEA source then press ENT.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
>
>
> Helping a friend add a Simrad RS-35 VHF radio with AIS receiver to his
> existing B instrument system.  That currently has 2 Triton displays, a
> Zeus Touch 7 MFD plus wind and speed/depth transducers.  Everything is
> connected via NMEA 2000, there is no 0183 on the boat.  There was no
> convenient place to tap into an existing T connector, but there was an
> existing network line running close to the radio.  We bought 2 Maretron
> micro-c field installable connectors, a premade Maretron cable and a
> Lowrance T connector.  I could not find Lowrance/B connectors anywhere.
> I cut the network wire and wired the new connectors according to the color
> code on the connectors.  The color code on the connectors matched the
> colors in the B wire, so I figured I was good to go.  When I hook things
> back up, the existing instruments work fine, but the new radio is not seen
> by the Zeus, nor does the radio see the network.  Since the existing stuff
> all works fine, I am assuming that the wires are connected in the same
> positions on the connectors.  When I unplug it, I lose all the
> transducers.
>
>
>
> I am currently thinking that either the new premade cable is bad, or
> Simrad B uses a different pinout for their connectors than the one
> specified by NMEA, which Maretron follows.  I plan to test the cable using
> one from my boat, but can anyone confirm the pinout on a B system for
> me?  Any other ideas about what to check?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Jim Reinardy
>
> C 30-2 “Firewater”
>
> Milwaukee, WI
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

Fred,

It’s a good thought, I will trace that back.  One of the ends has to be the 
wind transducer, which has an integral terminator in the B world.  I did not 
open up the displays to see where the terminator is on the other end though.  I 
assume it is at the helm on either the Zeus or one of the Tritons, but I should 
confirm it.  

I understand what you are saying about mixing vendors.  The backbone is 
Lowrance, the brand Simrad uses for their NMEA parts for some reason.  I really 
wanted to find Simrad/Lowrance connectors to go with the T connector, but could 
never locate a source or even a part number.   I am wondering where there 
installers get them, or if they have access to things I don’t.  Thanks for the 
reply.

Regards,

Jim

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From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling


Jim — is the backbone properly terminated after your addition?  There needs to 
be a terminator at either end of the backbone, after the final “T” for 
equipment spurs.

Hopefully the “network” line you cut into is the backbone cable, not a spur.

In this instance, you’d have been far better to use all the same type of 
cable/connectors as the existing backbone, then use an adapter cable to go to 
the VHF as needed.  If the existing NMEA2k network was Maretron, for example, 
disconnect the backbone at the location closest to the VHF, put in a Maretron 
“T” and another backbone cable to where you broke it; then a Simrad to NMEA2k 
adapter spur to the VHF.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

Joel,
 
Thanks for the reply.
 
With the NMEA 2000 cable connected, I only have the NMEA 0183 source available 
on that menu.  That is how I drew the conclusion that the radio does not see 
the 2000 network.
 
Jim
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:32 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
 
 
Manual says:
 
This radio can use either NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 protocol to receive GPS data 
from a
compatible GPS unit.
Note: NMEA 2000 SOURCE options will appear (up to 4 sources showing the actual 
source
name) only if an NMEA 2000 network is connected to the radio and is operational.
RADIO SETUP
WX ALERT ▲
COM PORT
►GPS SOURCE
FAV CH SETU
GPS SOURCE
►NMEA0183
LGC3000
LCX113CHD
1. Select RADIO SETUP then GPS SOURCE. (If there is only one NMEA protocol 
available on
your vessel, only that will be shown).
2. Select the desired NMEA source then press ENT.
 
 
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Hello All,
 
Helping a friend add a Simrad RS-35 VHF radio with AIS receiver to his existing 
B instrument system.  That currently has 2 Triton displays, a Zeus Touch 7 
MFD plus wind and speed/depth transducers.  Everything is connected via NMEA 
2000, there is no 0183 on the boat.  There was no convenient place to tap into 
an existing T connector, but there was an existing network line running close 
to the radio.  We bought 2 Maretron micro-c field installable connectors, a 
premade Maretron cable and a Lowrance T connector.  I could not find 
Lowrance/B connectors anywhere.  I cut the network wire and wired the new 
connectors according to the color code on the connectors.  The color code on 
the connectors matched the colors in the B wire, so I figured I was good to 
go.  When I hook things back up, the existing instruments work fine, but the 
new radio is not seen by the Zeus, nor does the radio see the network.  Since 
the existing stuff all works fine, I am assuming that the wires are connected 
in the same positions on the connectors.  When I unplug it, I lose all the 
transducers.   
 
I am currently thinking that either the new premade cable is bad, or Simrad B 
uses a different pinout for their connectors than the one specified by NMEA, 
which Maretron follows.  I plan to test the cable using one from my boat, but 
can anyone confirm the pinout on a B system for me?  Any other ideas about 
what to check?
 
Thanks,
 
Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 “Firewater”
Milwaukee, WI


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