Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Was Captain McDougal at the helm?

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
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> “It was a dark and stormy daniels…”
>
> There — now we’re on to Literature.   :^)
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Mar 23, 2018, at 11:04 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Depends on if they're the Stormy Daniels autograph version.
>
> I know, that was bad.  Sorry.
>
> Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

“It was a dark and stormy daniels…”

There — now we’re on to Literature.   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
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> On Mar 23, 2018, at 11:04 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Depends on if they're the Stormy Daniels autograph version.
> 
> I know, that was bad.  Sorry.
> 
> Dennis C.

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Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Depends on if they're the Stormy Daniels autograph version.

I know, that was bad.  Sorry.

Dennis C.

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
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> Andy,
>
> How does Egyptian cotton hold up in a self-tailer?
>
> Joel
>
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 10:01 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> My wife recommends 400-count and only embroidering the boats name on the
>> top sheet.
>>
>> Andrew Burton
>> 61 W Narragansett
>> Newport, RI
>> USA02840
>>
>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>> +401 965-5260
>>
>> On Mar 22, 2018, at 20:50, Thomas Delaney via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, everyone, for your input! I might go slightly bigger on the jib
>> sheets, but worry that a thicker line wouldn't work well with my mainsheet
>> winch. Anything will feel nicer to handle than the current sheets.
>>
>> Dennis - I was only going to splice an eye at one end and whip the other
>> but you make a great case for having eyes at both ends and being able to
>> flip ends.
>>
>> Like Dennis' setup, I am planning on using two soft shackles  to reeve
>> the sheets to my headsail. The Stingy Sailor post inspired me to buy  a set
>> of fids and a whole spool of 5/32" UHMWPE a few weeks ago. As a result I
>> ended up with a pile of 30 soft shackles (https://photos.app.goo.gl/0N7
>> BRteov5LhP0JE3). We'll see how well they hold up over the season.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Tom
>>
>> ---
>> Snow Goose
>> C 35-1
>> City Island, NY
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>
>> To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 13:40:57 -0500
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?
>> My opinion, soft shackle release is highly unlikely.  I've never heard of
>> one.  Been using them for 4-5 years now.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your soft shackle sheet connection looks very interesting.  I wonder if
>>> a flogging sail during a messy tack might result in a soft shackle
>>> releasing.  Any thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Persistence
>>>
>>> Halifax
>>>
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Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Andy,

How does Egyptian cotton hold up in a self-tailer?

Joel

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 10:01 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My wife recommends 400-count and only embroidering the boats name on the
> top sheet.
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> On Mar 22, 2018, at 20:50, Thomas Delaney via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks, everyone, for your input! I might go slightly bigger on the jib
> sheets, but worry that a thicker line wouldn't work well with my mainsheet
> winch. Anything will feel nicer to handle than the current sheets.
>
> Dennis - I was only going to splice an eye at one end and whip the other
> but you make a great case for having eyes at both ends and being able to
> flip ends.
>
> Like Dennis' setup, I am planning on using two soft shackles  to reeve the
> sheets to my headsail. The Stingy Sailor post inspired me to buy  a set of
> fids and a whole spool of 5/32" UHMWPE a few weeks ago. As a result I ended
> up with a pile of 30 soft shackles (https://photos.app.goo.gl/
> 0N7BRteov5LhP0JE3). We'll see how well they hold up over the season.
>
> Thanks again,
> Tom
>
> ---
> Snow Goose
> C 35-1
> City Island, NY
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>
> To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 13:40:57 -0500
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?
> My opinion, soft shackle release is highly unlikely.  I've never heard of
> one.  Been using them for 4-5 years now.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>> Your soft shackle sheet connection looks very interesting.  I wonder if a
>> flogging sail during a messy tack might result in a soft shackle
>> releasing.  Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Persistence
>>
>> Halifax
>>
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Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?

[Ted Drossos via CnC-List]

Putting an eye on both ends of your genoa sheets is a good idea for when you 
change your sheets end for end. Just make sure that the bulk of the eye splice 
will still fit through a turning block if you are using them. Otherwise you 
will have to disassemble the turning block to reeve the sheet through it.  


Ted Drossos
C 110
Lady in Red
Long Island, NY


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Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

My wife recommends 400-count and only embroidering the boats name on the top 
sheet.

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Mar 22, 2018, at 20:50, Thomas Delaney via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, everyone, for your input! I might go slightly bigger on the jib 
> sheets, but worry that a thicker line wouldn't work well with my mainsheet 
> winch. Anything will feel nicer to handle than the current sheets. 
> 
> Dennis - I was only going to splice an eye at one end and whip the other but 
> you make a great case for having eyes at both ends and being able to flip 
> ends.  
> 
> Like Dennis' setup, I am planning on using two soft shackles  to reeve the 
> sheets to my headsail. The Stingy Sailor post inspired me to buy  a set of 
> fids and a whole spool of 5/32" UHMWPE a few weeks ago. As a result I ended 
> up with a pile of 30 soft shackles 
> (https://photos.app.goo.gl/0N7BRteov5LhP0JE3). We'll see how well they hold 
> up over the season.
> 
> Thanks again,
> Tom
> 
> ---
> Snow Goose
> C 35-1
> City Island, NY
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>
> To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: 
> Bcc: 
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 13:40:57 -0500
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?
> My opinion, soft shackle release is highly unlikely.  I've never heard of 
> one.  Been using them for 4-5 years now.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> Hi Dennis
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Your soft shackle sheet connection looks very interesting.  I wonder if a 
>> flogging sail during a messy tack might result in a soft shackle releasing.  
>> Any thoughts?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> Persistence
>> 
>> Halifax
>> 
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Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?

[Thomas Delaney via CnC-List]

Thanks, everyone, for your input! I might go slightly bigger on the jib
sheets, but worry that a thicker line wouldn't work well with my mainsheet
winch. Anything will feel nicer to handle than the current sheets.

Dennis - I was only going to splice an eye at one end and whip the other
but you make a great case for having eyes at both ends and being able to
flip ends.

Like Dennis' setup, I am planning on using two soft shackles  to reeve the
sheets to my headsail. The Stingy Sailor post inspired me to buy  a set of
fids and a whole spool of 5/32" UHMWPE a few weeks ago. As a result I ended
up with a pile of 30 soft shackles (
https://photos.app.goo.gl/0N7BRteov5LhP0JE3). We'll see how well they hold
up over the season.

Thanks again,
Tom

---
Snow Goose
C 35-1
City Island, NY

-- Forwarded message --
From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>
To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 13:40:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?
My opinion, soft shackle release is highly unlikely.  I've never heard of
one.  Been using them for 4-5 years now.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Dennis
>
>
>
> Your soft shackle sheet connection looks very interesting.  I wonder if a
> flogging sail during a messy tack might result in a soft shackle
> releasing.  Any thoughts?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax
>
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Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Regular XLS would be preferable to Extra T for sheets. Extra T is a better low 
stretch halyard line but tends to be rather stiff and holds a set when wrapped 
tight on a winch.
Stretch isn’t as big an issue with jib and main sheets that get constantly 
adjusted.
My $.02 as a Rope guy.
Chuck Gilchrest 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2018, at 11:23 AM, Thomas Delaney via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi listers,
> 
> I'm planning on buying new sheets during the Defender Sale. We're a novice 
> club-racing boat most of the time, but also do short trips around western 
> long island sound.  
> 
> I've got old polyester core/cover sheets now, and will continue using them 
> with my cruising headsails, but I'm thinking of getting Samson XLS Extra-T in 
> the same diameter as i have now (3/8") to replace the mainsheet, and for my 
> racing headsails. Is there any other type of line I should consider before 
> pulling the trigger?
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom
> 
> ---
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> C 35-1
> City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Agree with Dennis. Soft shackles don't release on their own though I've only 
used them for the headsails for three continuous years. My genoa sheets are 
both red, 3/8" maxibraid, after my last genoa was impaled by the spreader when 
a very experienced and knowledgeable person crewing for me failed to lift his 
foot off of the sheet when we tacked. I was trying to tack but instead we "hove 
to". And I had to pay to repair the rip in the leech of my racing genoa. It's 
moot now that I mostly singlehand.

Singlehanding is very cool.
No arguments of any kind with crew and no one reminds me later about some 
screwup I made long ago. I've made them and learned from them. But some crew 
love to share their "total recall" memories just to beat down others. Miss the 
comraderie, but not the bullshit. Anyway, try solo. It's zen like.


> On March 22, 2018 at 2:40 PM "Dennis C. via CnC-List"  
> wrote:
> 
> My opinion, soft shackle release is highly unlikely.  I've never heard of 
> one.  Been using them for 4-5 years now.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > Hi Dennis
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Your soft shackle sheet connection looks very interesting.  I 
> > wonder if a flogging sail during a messy tack might result in a soft 
> > shackle releasing.  Any thoughts?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > Persistence
> > 
> > Halifax
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
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Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

Hey Bill

We use 5/5 to 3/4 inch line on Honey based on the sail used and wind
conditions. The only 3/8" line on Honey are the light air spinnaker sheets.

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
HONEY
US12788
Savannah, GA
C 39 TM

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On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
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> Wow, We must be getting carried away for using ¾” Stay Set, because we
> like the handling!
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C 39 Erie, PA[image: animated_favicon1]
>
>
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> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *ALAN
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> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?
>
>
>
> I have always been competitive using double braid polyester line for my
> main and jib sheets, not going with the more expensive hi tech line.  I use
> 7/16" line because it's easier to handle than 3/8".
>
>
> Alan Bergen
>
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
>
> Rose City YC
>
> Portland, OR
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 8:23 AM, Thomas Delaney via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi listers,
>
> I'm planning on buying new sheets during the Defender Sale. We're a novice
> club-racing boat most of the time, but also do short trips around western
> long island sound.
>
> I've got old polyester core/cover sheets now, and will continue using them
> with my cruising headsails, but I'm thinking of getting Samson XLS Extra-T
> in the same diameter as i have now (3/8") to replace the mainsheet, and for
> my racing headsails. Is there any other type of line I should consider
> before pulling the trigger?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
> ---
> Snow Goose
> C 35-1
> City Island, NY
>
>
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Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

My opinion, soft shackle release is highly unlikely.  I've never heard of
one.  Been using them for 4-5 years now.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Dennis
>
>
>
> Your soft shackle sheet connection looks very interesting.  I wonder if a
> flogging sail during a messy tack might result in a soft shackle
> releasing.  Any thoughts?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Not if it is made properly.



Rod



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Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?



Hi Dennis



Your soft shackle sheet connection looks very interesting.  I wonder if a 
flogging sail during a messy tack might result in a soft shackle releasing.  
Any thoughts?



Thanks



Mike

Persistence

Halifax



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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 3:03 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?



Lots of thoughts on this one.



First, in the interest of candidness, I use 3/8" VPC with an eye on each end.  
I attach EACH sheet to the clew with a soft shackle.  Why?  If I ever want to 
do a sail change on the fly, each sheet must be attached separately.  OK, I'm 
probably more on the racing end of the spectrum than most.



Here's the picture (ignore that it's my blown out cruising sail rather than my 
nice Mylar/Kelar racing genoa):



https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsMU9xOXBVd3F5Slk



However, cruiser or racer, you will benefit from soft shackles.  My 35-1, like 
yours, has double lower shrouds.  Sheets attached with bowline knots hang up on 
the forward lowers.  The difference between bowlines and soft shackles is 
significant.  Our 155% genoa now glides through the foretriangle rather than 
hanging up.



So, a strong vote for sheets with an eye and soft shackles.  Whether you use 
one or two soft shackles is your choice.



Also, why do I put an eye in each end of the sheet?  Simple, at some point in 
time you may want to swap ends.



Now, what line?  Do you primarily sail with a 155% genoa?  If so, the the 
distance from the clew to the winch is not great.  On Touche' it might be 6 
feet.  At 2% stretch, that's 1.5 inches.  However, a 155% is the LEAST loaded 
sail.  The foretriangle on a 35-1 is about 320 sq. feet.  155% of that is about 
500 sq. feet.  At 10 knots of breeze, that's about 215 pounds sheet load.



http://www.harken.com/content.aspx?id=9096



215 pounds of sheet load is only about 5% of 3/8" StaSet's 4400 pound breaking 
strength which equates to about 0.7% stretch 
(https://www.ropeinc.com/sta-set.htm).  So now 6 feet of sheet will stretch 
about 1/2 inch.



If you sail with a 100% jib in 20 knots and 12-14 feet of sheet that's a whole 
different scenario and I'd recommend upgrading to a more high tech line with 
more strength or to a larger line.  The load goes up to 550 pounds.



Probably too much info but shows you that what seems like a simple decision is 
really not.



Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA



On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Thomas Delaney via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hi listers,

I'm planning on buying new sheets during the Defender Sale. We're a novice 
club-racing boat most of the time, but also do short trips around western long 
island sound.

I've got old polyester core/cover sheets now, and will continue using them with 
my cruising headsails, but I'm thinking of getting Samson XLS Extra-T in the 
same diameter as i have now (3/8") to replace the mainsheet, and for my racing 
headsails. Is there any other type of line I should consider before pulling the 
trigger?

Thanks,
Tom

---
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C 35-1
City Island, NY




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Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Dennis

Your soft shackle sheet connection looks very interesting.  I wonder if a 
flogging sail during a messy tack might result in a soft shackle releasing.  
Any thoughts?

Thanks

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 3:03 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?

Lots of thoughts on this one.

First, in the interest of candidness, I use 3/8" VPC with an eye on each end.  
I attach EACH sheet to the clew with a soft shackle.  Why?  If I ever want to 
do a sail change on the fly, each sheet must be attached separately.  OK, I'm 
probably more on the racing end of the spectrum than most.

Here's the picture (ignore that it's my blown out cruising sail rather than my 
nice Mylar/Kelar racing genoa):

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsMU9xOXBVd3F5Slk

However, cruiser or racer, you will benefit from soft shackles.  My 35-1, like 
yours, has double lower shrouds.  Sheets attached with bowline knots hang up on 
the forward lowers.  The difference between bowlines and soft shackles is 
significant.  Our 155% genoa now glides through the foretriangle rather than 
hanging up.

So, a strong vote for sheets with an eye and soft shackles.  Whether you use 
one or two soft shackles is your choice.

Also, why do I put an eye in each end of the sheet?  Simple, at some point in 
time you may want to swap ends.

Now, what line?  Do you primarily sail with a 155% genoa?  If so, the the 
distance from the clew to the winch is not great.  On Touche' it might be 6 
feet.  At 2% stretch, that's 1.5 inches.  However, a 155% is the LEAST loaded 
sail.  The foretriangle on a 35-1 is about 320 sq. feet.  155% of that is about 
500 sq. feet.  At 10 knots of breeze, that's about 215 pounds sheet load.

http://www.harken.com/content.aspx?id=9096

215 pounds of sheet load is only about 5% of 3/8" StaSet's 4400 pound breaking 
strength which equates to about 0.7% stretch 
(https://www.ropeinc.com/sta-set.htm).  So now 6 feet of sheet will stretch 
about 1/2 inch.

If you sail with a 100% jib in 20 knots and 12-14 feet of sheet that's a whole 
different scenario and I'd recommend upgrading to a more high tech line with 
more strength or to a larger line.  The load goes up to 550 pounds.

Probably too much info but shows you that what seems like a simple decision is 
really not.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Thomas Delaney via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi listers,

I'm planning on buying new sheets during the Defender Sale. We're a novice 
club-racing boat most of the time, but also do short trips around western long 
island sound.

I've got old polyester core/cover sheets now, and will continue using them with 
my cruising headsails, but I'm thinking of getting Samson XLS Extra-T in the 
same diameter as i have now (3/8") to replace the mainsheet, and for my racing 
headsails. Is there any other type of line I should consider before pulling the 
trigger?

Thanks,
Tom

---
Snow Goose
C 35-1
City Island, NY


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Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Lots of thoughts on this one.

First, in the interest of candidness, I use 3/8" VPC with an eye on each
end.  I attach EACH sheet to the clew with a soft shackle.  Why?  If I ever
want to do a sail change on the fly, each sheet must be attached
separately.  OK, I'm probably more on the racing end of the spectrum than
most.

Here's the picture (ignore that it's my blown out cruising sail rather than
my nice Mylar/Kelar racing genoa):

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsMU9xOXBVd3F5Slk

However, cruiser or racer, you will benefit from soft shackles.  My 35-1,
like yours, has double lower shrouds.  Sheets attached with bowline knots
hang up on the forward lowers.  The difference between bowlines and soft
shackles is significant.  Our 155% genoa now glides through the
foretriangle rather than hanging up.

So, a strong vote for sheets with an eye and soft shackles.  Whether you
use one or two soft shackles is your choice.

Also, why do I put an eye in each end of the sheet?  Simple, at some point
in time you may want to swap ends.

Now, what line?  Do you primarily sail with a 155% genoa?  If so, the the
distance from the clew to the winch is not great.  On Touche' it might be 6
feet.  At 2% stretch, that's 1.5 inches.  However, a 155% is the LEAST
loaded sail.  The foretriangle on a 35-1 is about 320 sq. feet.  155% of
that is about 500 sq. feet.  At 10 knots of breeze, that's about 215 pounds
sheet load.

http://www.harken.com/content.aspx?id=9096

215 pounds of sheet load is only about 5% of 3/8" StaSet's 4400 pound
breaking strength which equates to about 0.7% stretch (
https://www.ropeinc.com/sta-set.htm).  So now 6 feet of sheet will stretch
about 1/2 inch.

If you sail with a 100% jib in 20 knots and 12-14 feet of sheet that's a
whole different scenario and I'd recommend upgrading to a more high tech
line with more strength or to a larger line.  The load goes up to 550
pounds.

Probably too much info but shows you that what seems like a simple decision
is really not.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Thomas Delaney via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi listers,
>
> I'm planning on buying new sheets during the Defender Sale. We're a novice
> club-racing boat most of the time, but also do short trips around western
> long island sound.
>
> I've got old polyester core/cover sheets now, and will continue using them
> with my cruising headsails, but I'm thinking of getting Samson XLS Extra-T
> in the same diameter as i have now (3/8") to replace the mainsheet, and for
> my racing headsails. Is there any other type of line I should consider
> before pulling the trigger?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
> ---
> Snow Goose
> C 35-1
> City Island, NY
>
>
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Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Wow, We must be getting carried away for using ¾” Stay Set, because we like the 
handling!

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PAanimated_favicon1

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 11:33 AM
To: C
Cc: ALAN BERGEN
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?

 

I have always been competitive using double braid polyester line for my main 
and jib sheets, not going with the more expensive hi tech line.  I use 7/16" 
line because it's easier to handle than 3/8".




Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR

 

 

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 8:23 AM, Thomas Delaney via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Hi listers,

I'm planning on buying new sheets during the Defender Sale. We're a novice 
club-racing boat most of the time, but also do short trips around western long 
island sound.  

I've got old polyester core/cover sheets now, and will continue using them with 
my cruising headsails, but I'm thinking of getting Samson XLS Extra-T in the 
same diameter as i have now (3/8") to replace the mainsheet, and for my racing 
headsails. Is there any other type of line I should consider before pulling the 
trigger?

Thanks,
Tom

---
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C 35-1
City Island, NY

 


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Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

There is compelling reason to use a single piece of line with an alpine
butterfly knot and a soft shackle to connect to the clew.

https://stingysailor.com/2015/06/27/diy-soft-shackles-for-quick-and-easy-headsail-changes-2/

As for type of line, I'm not convinced that anything high dollar makes
sense.  Sta-set double braid or equivalent is probably fine.  I would only
advise that you keep feel-in-the-hand and workability on your winches in
mind.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 11:24 AM Thomas Delaney via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi listers,
>
> I'm planning on buying new sheets during the Defender Sale. We're a novice
> club-racing boat most of the time, but also do short trips around western
> long island sound.
>
> I've got old polyester core/cover sheets now, and will continue using them
> with my cruising headsails, but I'm thinking of getting Samson XLS Extra-T
> in the same diameter as i have now (3/8") to replace the mainsheet, and for
> my racing headsails. Is there any other type of line I should consider
> before pulling the trigger?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
> ---
> Snow Goose
> C 35-1
> City Island, NY
>
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Re: Stus-List New Sheets - What kind of line?

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I have always been competitive using double braid polyester line for my
main and jib sheets, not going with the more expensive hi tech line.  I use
7/16" line because it's easier to handle than 3/8".

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR


On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 8:23 AM, Thomas Delaney via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi listers,
>
> I'm planning on buying new sheets during the Defender Sale. We're a novice
> club-racing boat most of the time, but also do short trips around western
> long island sound.
>
> I've got old polyester core/cover sheets now, and will continue using them
> with my cruising headsails, but I'm thinking of getting Samson XLS Extra-T
> in the same diameter as i have now (3/8") to replace the mainsheet, and for
> my racing headsails. Is there any other type of line I should consider
> before pulling the trigger?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
> ---
> Snow Goose
> C 35-1
> City Island, NY
>
>
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