Re: Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

I agree that it sounds like a lot of added complexity, but most wire and switch 
ampacity ratings are based on not heating up enough to cause a fire, as opposed 
to minimizing voltage drop, which may be the objective. 
I wired up a cheap Chinese 12 volt compressor cooler/refrigerator on my Florida 
boat last winter, and was dismayed by how much heating and voltage drop I was 
getting from the brand new crimped connectors I was using. Boat still has the 
original panel, and the connections in there were series short jumpers from 
fuse to fuse, which was not good either and I wound up having to use a voltage 
booster to get the thing to start reliably. 14 gauge wire and associated 
connectors should have been ok for 5 amps, but once again the insulated crimp 
connectors and tools just didn't work for me. The commonly available 
aftermarket stuff is junk in my experience. 

 John Pennie via CnC-List  wrote: 
It’s not that high of a load Ed.  How much does your refrigerator draw?  It 
just sounds like overkill. 

John


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> On Nov 20, 2017, at 5:38 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Listers,
> 
> As it is wired now (probably by the previous owner), the only way to switch 
> on the refrigerator on the Enterprise is to open up the Ship’s Circuits panel 
> and flip on the circuit breaker deep inside. As the fridge is high amps, I 
> can understand the need to go through extra steps to turn it on or off, but I 
> was looking to do something more convenient. 
> 
> So here’s the plan:
> 
> Since the compressor itself is located in a locker adjacent to the galley, I 
> was thinking of putting a flip-open-covered blue LED push button latching 
> ON-OFF switch in the galley, which would then activate a relay, which, when 
> the button is pressed, would connect the positive lead to the fridge 
> compressor. 
> 
> Here is the switch: 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EJWVBPS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>  
> 
> Here is the cover: 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TK0WFEA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>  
> 
> It looks like the switch can handle the loads without burning out, but I 
> think I’m best off getting a relay as well. I like the idea of the cover so 
> it can’t accidentally be bumped into, turned on and drain the battery during 
> a long day of sailing. 
> 
> Any thoughts? Sound like a good plan? Am I missing something? 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
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Re: Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Edd,

For the sake of conversation I have the same fridge as you.  The only
switch in my circuit is the original (coffee pot) rocker switch at the nav
station from C  Speaking of coffee pots, a Mr Coffee on/off switch looks
almost identical and the OEM switches.  A coffee pot draws about 10 amps.

When my fridge is running the boat's analog amp meter pulses between 5 and
10 amps.  A relay won't hurt but you probably don't need it.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Nov 20, 2017 5:39 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Listers,
>
> As it is wired now (probably by the previous owner), the only way to
> switch on the refrigerator on the Enterprise is to open up the Ship’s
> Circuits panel and flip on the circuit breaker deep inside. As the fridge
> is high amps, I can understand the need to go through extra steps to turn
> it on or off, but I was looking to do something more convenient.
>
> So here’s the plan:
>
> Since the compressor itself is located in a locker adjacent to the galley,
> I was thinking of putting a flip-open-covered blue LED push button latching
> ON-OFF switch in the galley, which would then activate a relay, which, when
> the button is pressed, would connect the positive lead to the fridge
> compressor.
>
> Here is the switch: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EJWVBPS/ref=
> oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>
> Here is the cover: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TK0WFEA/ref=oh_
> aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>
> It looks like the switch can handle the loads without burning out, but I
> think I’m best off getting a relay as well. I like the idea of the cover so
> it can’t accidentally be bumped into, turned on and drain the battery
> during a long day of sailing.
>
> Any thoughts? Sound like a good plan? Am I missing something?
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
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Re: Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring

[detroito91 via CnC-List]

I have a switch for just the fudge (fridge) on 120v (shore power) and one on 
the 12v side also. It switches automatically to 12v (if on) when switched off 
or disconnected from shore power. Operates more efficiently on 120v.Jim 
schwartzSEA YA!38 lfWashington nc
 Original message From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 Date: 11/20/17  5:38 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Edd Schillay 
via CnC-List  Cc: Edd Schillay  
Subject: Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring 
Listers,
As it is wired now (probably by the previous owner), the only way to switch on 
the refrigerator on the Enterprise is to open up the Ship’s Circuits panel and 
flip on the circuit breaker deep inside. As the fridge is high amps, I can 
understand the need to go through extra steps to turn it on or off, but I was 
looking to do something more convenient. 
So here’s the plan:
Since the compressor itself is located in a locker adjacent to the galley, I 
was thinking of putting a flip-open-covered blue LED push button latching 
ON-OFF switch in the galley, which would then activate a relay, which, when the 
button is pressed, would connect the positive lead to the fridge compressor. 
Here is the switch: 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EJWVBPS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8=1
 
Here is the cover: 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TK0WFEA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8=1
 

It looks like the switch can handle the loads without burning out, but I think 
I’m best off getting a relay as well. I like the idea of the cover so it can’t 
accidentally be bumped into, turned on and drain the battery during a long day 
of sailing. 
Any thoughts? Sound like a good plan? Am I missing something? 


All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BCity Island, NY 
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Re: Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring

[DAVID R MOCNY via CnC-List]

Ed1990 37+My fudge has a switch on the main panel just like everything 
else.I've never looked at how it was wired but imagine that there is a relay 
somewhere in the system.
BTWThe switchs for ice cream and popcorn look to be factory installed.Both 
still work perfectly.
David MocnyObsessionLake LanierGeorgia


Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 6:56 PM, bwhitmore via 
CnC-List wrote:   Hi Ed,
The fudge in my 1994 C 37/40+ draws no more than 5 to 7 amps.  It's entirely 
possible that I missed your prior posts for background, but please feel free to 
contact me off list if I can provide insights.
Bruce Whitmore
847.404.5092
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 Date: 11/20/17 5:38 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Edd Schillay via 
CnC-List  Cc: Edd Schillay  Subject: 
Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring 
Listers,
As it is wired now (probably by the previous owner), the only way to switch on 
the refrigerator on the Enterprise is to open up the Ship’s Circuits panel and 
flip on the circuit breaker deep inside. As the fridge is high amps, I can 
understand the need to go through extra steps to turn it on or off, but I was 
looking to do something more convenient. 
So here’s the plan:
Since the compressor itself is located in a locker adjacent to the galley, I 
was thinking of putting a flip-open-covered blue LED push button latching 
ON-OFF switch in the galley, which would then activate a relay, which, when the 
button is pressed, would connect the positive lead to the fridge compressor. 
Here is the switch: 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EJWVBPS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8=1
 
Here is the cover: 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TK0WFEA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8=1
 

It looks like the switch can handle the loads without burning out, but I think 
I’m best off getting a relay as well. I like the idea of the cover so it can’t 
accidentally be bumped into, turned on and drain the battery during a long day 
of sailing. 
Any thoughts? Sound like a good plan? Am I missing something? 

All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BCity Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log




 



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Re: Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

M.  Hot fudge

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> On Nov 20, 2017, at 7:41 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Darn, and here I was hoping for fudge. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy 
> POYC 
> Pegasus (sale pending) 
> Lf38 
> Rebecca Leah 
> LF39 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: bwhitmore via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 11/20/17 16:23 (GMT-08:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: bwhitmore <bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring
> 
> Darn spell check!  The fridge, not fudge...  ;)
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: bwhitmore via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 11/20/17 6:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: bwhitmore <bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring
> 
> Hi Ed,
> 
> The fudge in my 1994 C 37/40+ draws no more than 5 to 7 amps.  It's 
> entirely possible that I missed your prior posts for background, but please 
> feel free to contact me off list if I can provide insights.
> 
> Bruce Whitmore
> 
> 847.404.5092
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 11/20/17 5:38 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com>
> Subject: Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring
> 
> Listers,
> 
> As it is wired now (probably by the previous owner), the only way to switch 
> on the refrigerator on the Enterprise is to open up the Ship’s Circuits panel 
> and flip on the circuit breaker deep inside. As the fridge is high amps, I 
> can understand the need to go through extra steps to turn it on or off, but I 
> was looking to do something more convenient. 
> 
> So here’s the plan:
> 
> Since the compressor itself is located in a locker adjacent to the galley, I 
> was thinking of putting a flip-open-covered blue LED push button latching 
> ON-OFF switch in the galley, which would then activate a relay, which, when 
> the button is pressed, would connect the positive lead to the fridge 
> compressor. 
> 
> Here is the switch: 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EJWVBPS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>  
> 
> Here is the cover: 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TK0WFEA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>  
> 
> It looks like the switch can handle the loads without burning out, but I 
> think I’m best off getting a relay as well. I like the idea of the cover so 
> it can’t accidentally be bumped into, turned on and drain the battery during 
> a long day of sailing. 
> 
> Any thoughts? Sound like a good plan? Am I missing something? 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

Darn, and here I was hoping for fudge. 


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus (sale pending) 
Lf38 Rebecca Leah LF39 
 Original message From: bwhitmore via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 11/20/17  16:23  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: bwhitmore <bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring 
Darn spell check!  The fridge, not fudge...  ;)


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: bwhitmore via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 11/20/17  6:55 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: bwhitmore <bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring 
Hi Ed,
The fudge in my 1994 C 37/40+ draws no more than 5 to 7 amps.  It's entirely 
possible that I missed your prior posts for background, but please feel free to 
contact me off list if I can provide insights.
Bruce Whitmore
847.404.5092
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 11/20/17  5:38 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Edd Schillay 
via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com> 
Subject: Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring 
Listers,
As it is wired now (probably by the previous owner), the only way to switch on 
the refrigerator on the Enterprise is to open up the Ship’s Circuits panel and 
flip on the circuit breaker deep inside. As the fridge is high amps, I can 
understand the need to go through extra steps to turn it on or off, but I was 
looking to do something more convenient. 
So here’s the plan:
Since the compressor itself is located in a locker adjacent to the galley, I 
was thinking of putting a flip-open-covered blue LED push button latching 
ON-OFF switch in the galley, which would then activate a relay, which, when the 
button is pressed, would connect the positive lead to the fridge compressor. 
Here is the switch: 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EJWVBPS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8=1
 
Here is the cover: 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TK0WFEA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8=1
 

It looks like the switch can handle the loads without burning out, but I think 
I’m best off getting a relay as well. I like the idea of the cover so it can’t 
accidentally be bumped into, turned on and drain the battery during a long day 
of sailing. 
Any thoughts? Sound like a good plan? Am I missing something? 


All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BCity Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log











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Re: Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

Darn spell check!  The fridge, not fudge...  ;)


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: bwhitmore via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 11/20/17  6:55 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: bwhitmore <bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring 
Hi Ed,
The fudge in my 1994 C 37/40+ draws no more than 5 to 7 amps.  It's entirely 
possible that I missed your prior posts for background, but please feel free to 
contact me off list if I can provide insights.
Bruce Whitmore
847.404.5092
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 11/20/17  5:38 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Edd Schillay 
via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com> 
Subject: Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring 
Listers,
As it is wired now (probably by the previous owner), the only way to switch on 
the refrigerator on the Enterprise is to open up the Ship’s Circuits panel and 
flip on the circuit breaker deep inside. As the fridge is high amps, I can 
understand the need to go through extra steps to turn it on or off, but I was 
looking to do something more convenient. 
So here’s the plan:
Since the compressor itself is located in a locker adjacent to the galley, I 
was thinking of putting a flip-open-covered blue LED push button latching 
ON-OFF switch in the galley, which would then activate a relay, which, when the 
button is pressed, would connect the positive lead to the fridge compressor. 
Here is the switch: 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EJWVBPS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8=1
 
Here is the cover: 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TK0WFEA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8=1
 

It looks like the switch can handle the loads without burning out, but I think 
I’m best off getting a relay as well. I like the idea of the cover so it can’t 
accidentally be bumped into, turned on and drain the battery during a long day 
of sailing. 
Any thoughts? Sound like a good plan? Am I missing something? 


All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BCity Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log











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Re: Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

Hi Ed,
The fudge in my 1994 C 37/40+ draws no more than 5 to 7 amps.  It's entirely 
possible that I missed your prior posts for background, but please feel free to 
contact me off list if I can provide insights.
Bruce Whitmore
847.404.5092
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 Date: 11/20/17  5:38 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Edd Schillay 
via CnC-List  Cc: Edd Schillay  
Subject: Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring 
Listers,
As it is wired now (probably by the previous owner), the only way to switch on 
the refrigerator on the Enterprise is to open up the Ship’s Circuits panel and 
flip on the circuit breaker deep inside. As the fridge is high amps, I can 
understand the need to go through extra steps to turn it on or off, but I was 
looking to do something more convenient. 
So here’s the plan:
Since the compressor itself is located in a locker adjacent to the galley, I 
was thinking of putting a flip-open-covered blue LED push button latching 
ON-OFF switch in the galley, which would then activate a relay, which, when the 
button is pressed, would connect the positive lead to the fridge compressor. 
Here is the switch: 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EJWVBPS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8=1
 
Here is the cover: 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TK0WFEA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8=1
 

It looks like the switch can handle the loads without burning out, but I think 
I’m best off getting a relay as well. I like the idea of the cover so it can’t 
accidentally be bumped into, turned on and drain the battery during a long day 
of sailing. 
Any thoughts? Sound like a good plan? Am I missing something? 


All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BCity Island, NY 
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Re: Stus-List Refrigeration Wiring

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

It’s not that high of a load Ed.  How much does your refrigerator draw?  It 
just sounds like overkill. 

John


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2017, at 5:38 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Listers,
> 
> As it is wired now (probably by the previous owner), the only way to switch 
> on the refrigerator on the Enterprise is to open up the Ship’s Circuits panel 
> and flip on the circuit breaker deep inside. As the fridge is high amps, I 
> can understand the need to go through extra steps to turn it on or off, but I 
> was looking to do something more convenient. 
> 
> So here’s the plan:
> 
> Since the compressor itself is located in a locker adjacent to the galley, I 
> was thinking of putting a flip-open-covered blue LED push button latching 
> ON-OFF switch in the galley, which would then activate a relay, which, when 
> the button is pressed, would connect the positive lead to the fridge 
> compressor. 
> 
> Here is the switch: 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EJWVBPS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>  
> 
> Here is the cover: 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TK0WFEA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>  
> 
> It looks like the switch can handle the loads without burning out, but I 
> think I’m best off getting a relay as well. I like the idea of the cover so 
> it can’t accidentally be bumped into, turned on and drain the battery during 
> a long day of sailing. 
> 
> Any thoughts? Sound like a good plan? Am I missing something? 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
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