Re: Stus-List bottom paint stripping
I had the bottom dry ice blasted.took about 5 hours.great job, little to know mess.shop vaced the old paint from the ground in 20 minutes. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-10-22 11:30 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List wrote: Hi David, I heard good things about dry ice and soda, Walnuts are supposed to be good too. (Mine was done the old fashion way with an abrasive wheel. The guy did a remarkable job, but you really have to know what you're doing to avoid digging into the gelcoat) As for barrier coating I was advised against it as well (Supposed to trap moisture) and did not re-coat . I would go with the local knowledge / recommendations as different waters / climates dictate different approaches. I'm in fresh water witch is worse for osmosis. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA > I am planning to strip all the old bottom paint off this fall and repaint > in the spring. I have two questions for the list: > > 1. I have two quotes now- the higher uses walnut shells and the lower > uses crushed recycled glass in water. Both claim gentle on the gelcoat and > little followup prep needed for painting. Anyone have any comments or > experience with the two technologies? > > 2. I had originally planned to barrier coat before bottom painting, but > the last time this issue was discussed, it seemed that for a 1990 era C&C, > it should not need barrier coating. That would dramatically reduce the > amount of painting next spring if I don?t need to put on multiple barrier > coats. Do people agree that it is not needed? Compromise of a few coats? > Thanks- Dave > > Aries > 1990 C&C 34+ > New London, CT Regards *François Rivard*4111 Northside Pkwy, Nw Big Data Black Belt Atlanta, 30327-3015 IBM Sales & Distribution, Software Sales Usa Mobile: 770-639-0429 e-mail: jfriv...@us.ibm.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List bottom paint stripping
Bob, how much was the cost for the dry ice blasting? Fred Hazzard S/V Fury C&C 44 Portland Or On Oct 22, 2015 8:18 AM, "robert via CnC-List" wrote: > I had the bottom dry ice blasted.took about 5 hours.great job, > little to know mess.shop vaced the old paint from the ground in 20 > minutes. > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > On 2015-10-22 11:30 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List wrote: > > Hi David, > > I heard good things about dry ice and soda, Walnuts are supposed to be > good too. (Mine was done the old fashion way with an abrasive wheel. The > guy did a remarkable job, but you really have to know what you're doing to > avoid digging into the gelcoat) > > As for barrier coating I was advised against it as well (Supposed to trap > moisture) and did not re-coat . I would go with the local knowledge / > recommendations as different waters / climates dictate different > approaches. I'm in fresh water witch is worse for osmosis. > > -Francois Rivard > 1990 34+ "Take Five" > Lake Lanier, GA > > > > > > > I am planning to strip all the old bottom paint off this fall and repaint > > in the spring. I have two questions for the list: > > > > 1. I have two quotes now- the higher uses walnut shells and the lower > > uses crushed recycled glass in water. Both claim gentle on the gelcoat > and > > little followup prep needed for painting. Anyone have any comments or > > experience with the two technologies? > > > > 2. I had originally planned to barrier coat before bottom painting, but > > the last time this issue was discussed, it seemed that for a 1990 era > C&C, > > it should not need barrier coating. That would dramatically reduce the > > amount of painting next spring if I don?t need to put on multiple barrier > > coats. Do people agree that it is not needed? Compromise of a few > coats? > > Thanks- Dave > > > > Aries > > 1990 C&C 34+ > > New London, CT > Regards > -- > > *François Rivard* 4111 Northside Pkwy, Nw > Big Data Black Belt Atlanta, 30327-3015 IBM Sales & Distribution, > Software Sales Usa Mobile: 770-639-0429 > e-mail: jfriv...@us.ibm.com > > > > > ___ > > Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List bottom paint stripping
This may make sense for a quick haul out jobs of days, but stripping in the Fall and repainting in the Spring would be the ideal for barrier coating. - Paul E. 1981 C&C 38 Landfall S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ > On Oct 21, 2015, at 7:16 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > From: Fred Hazzard mailto:fshazz...@gmail.com>> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List bottom paint stripping > Message-ID: ><mailto:can6migb1dokbagp_kjmosr3c8svucq0z27cjcb5np1cqzoh...@mail.gmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I spoke the yard today about barrier coating. Their experience was it > trapped moisture which causes the barrier coat to fail. > > Fred Hazzard > S/V Fury > C&C 44 > Portland, Or > On Oct 21, 2015 1:26 PM, "David Knecht via CnC-List" <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> > wrote: > >> I am planning to strip all the old bottom paint off this fall and repaint >> in the spring ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List bottom paint stripping
Consider dry ice blasting. That's what was recommended to me. It leaves almost nothing to clean up and is very mildly abrasive. Some of the media can leave pocks which need filled and fared. Ratchets the price up considerably. I don't think my 1989 37+ is barrier coated. But when i had my rudder rebuilt 3 winters ago the fiberglass guy finished it with barrier coat. At haul out this past spring guess which one had pimples, the hull or the rudder. That's right, the rudder. So 2 seasons in the water or 26 years in the water? I say if the gelcoat and original fiberglass lasted this long leave it alone. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Oct 21, 2015 7:04 PM, "David via CnC-List" wrote: > I stripped Corsair's bottom soon after I bought her. I decided to not > barrier coat because if it was still dry (per survey the year prior) > after 24 + years, my theory is she will survive another 24 years without > the BS of applying barrier coats. > > David F. Risch > 1981 40-2 > (401) 419-4650 (cell) > > -- > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:47:43 -0400 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List bottom paint stripping > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > CC: dainyr...@icloud.com > > That matches my my yard told me during my last haulout when I discussed a > possible barrier coat... > > Bob Boyer > S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD > 1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230 > email: dainyr...@icloud.com > blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com > > "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply > messing about in boats." --Kenneth Grahame > > On Oct 21, 2015, at 6:44 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > I spoke the yard today about barrier coating. Their experience was it > trapped moisture which causes the barrier coat to fail. > > Fred Hazzard > S/V Fury > C&C 44 > Portland, Or > On Oct 21, 2015 1:26 PM, "David Knecht via CnC-List" < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > I am planning to strip all the old bottom paint off this fall and repaint > in the spring. I have two questions for the list: > > 1. I have two quotes now- the higher uses walnut shells and the lower > uses crushed recycled glass in water. Both claim gentle on the gelcoat and > little followup prep needed for painting. Anyone have any comments or > experience with the two technologies? > > 2. I had originally planned to barrier coat before bottom painting, but > the last time this issue was discussed, it seemed that for a 1990 era C&C, > it should not need barrier coating. That would dramatically reduce the > amount of painting next spring if I don’t need to put on multiple barrier > coats. Do people agree that it is not needed? Compromise of a few coats? > Thanks- Dave > > Aries > 1990 C&C 34+ > New London, CT > > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including > unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List bottom paint stripping
I stripped Corsair's bottom soon after I bought her. I decided to not barrier coat because if it was still dry (per survey the year prior) after 24 + years, my theory is she will survive another 24 years without the BS of applying barrier coats. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:47:43 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List bottom paint stripping From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: dainyr...@icloud.com That matches my my yard told me during my last haulout when I discussed a possible barrier coat... Bob BoyerS/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." --Kenneth Grahame On Oct 21, 2015, at 6:44 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List wrote: I spoke the yard today about barrier coating. Their experience was it trapped moisture which causes the barrier coat to fail. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury C&C 44 Portland, Or On Oct 21, 2015 1:26 PM, "David Knecht via CnC-List" wrote: I am planning to strip all the old bottom paint off this fall and repaint in the spring. I have two questions for the list: 1. I have two quotes now- the higher uses walnut shells and the lower uses crushed recycled glass in water. Both claim gentle on the gelcoat and little followup prep needed for painting. Anyone have any comments or experience with the two technologies? 2. I had originally planned to barrier coat before bottom painting, but the last time this issue was discussed, it seemed that for a 1990 era C&C, it should not need barrier coating. That would dramatically reduce the amount of painting next spring if I don’t need to put on multiple barrier coats. Do people agree that it is not needed? Compromise of a few coats? Thanks- Dave Aries1990 C&C 34+New London, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List bottom paint stripping
That matches my my yard told me during my last haulout when I discussed a possible barrier coat... Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." --Kenneth Grahame > On Oct 21, 2015, at 6:44 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List > wrote: > > I spoke the yard today about barrier coating. Their experience was it > trapped moisture which causes the barrier coat to fail. > > Fred Hazzard > S/V Fury > C&C 44 > Portland, Or > >> On Oct 21, 2015 1:26 PM, "David Knecht via CnC-List" >> wrote: >> I am planning to strip all the old bottom paint off this fall and repaint in >> the spring. I have two questions for the list: >> >> 1. I have two quotes now- the higher uses walnut shells and the lower uses >> crushed recycled glass in water. Both claim gentle on the gelcoat and >> little followup prep needed for painting. Anyone have any comments or >> experience with the two technologies? >> >> 2. I had originally planned to barrier coat before bottom painting, but the >> last time this issue was discussed, it seemed that for a 1990 era C&C, it >> should not need barrier coating. That would dramatically reduce the amount >> of painting next spring if I don’t need to put on multiple barrier coats. >> Do people agree that it is not needed? Compromise of a few coats? Thanks- >> Dave >> >> Aries >> 1990 C&C 34+ >> New London, CT >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List bottom paint stripping
I spoke the yard today about barrier coating. Their experience was it trapped moisture which causes the barrier coat to fail. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury C&C 44 Portland, Or On Oct 21, 2015 1:26 PM, "David Knecht via CnC-List" wrote: > I am planning to strip all the old bottom paint off this fall and repaint > in the spring. I have two questions for the list: > > 1. I have two quotes now- the higher uses walnut shells and the lower > uses crushed recycled glass in water. Both claim gentle on the gelcoat and > little followup prep needed for painting. Anyone have any comments or > experience with the two technologies? > > 2. I had originally planned to barrier coat before bottom painting, but > the last time this issue was discussed, it seemed that for a 1990 era C&C, > it should not need barrier coating. That would dramatically reduce the > amount of painting next spring if I don’t need to put on multiple barrier > coats. Do people agree that it is not needed? Compromise of a few coats? > Thanks- Dave > > Aries > 1990 C&C 34+ > New London, CT > > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
