Re: Stus-List cabin sole question/update

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Wipe down with denatured alcohol.

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
>
>
> All sections of new cabin sole are cut out and fitted and now the coating
> is in progress.  I have two coats of West 105/207 on the finished side of
> the teak and holly as well as underneath and on edges.  Following epoxy I
> am planning a number of coats of Epifanes varnish on the finished side only.
>
>
>
> A couple of questions.
>
>
>
> 1.  After sanding epoxy and prior to initial coat of varnish what
> should be used to wipe down the surface?  Acetone?
>
> 2.  After sanding each coat of varnish what is used to wipe down the
> varnish prior to applying next coat?  Some sort of paint thinner or
> something else?  I have Interlux 202 Solvent wash, paint thinner, Interlux
> special thinner 216 and acetone on hand as well as a Canadian Tire and a
> Chandlery on my drive home
>
> 3.  How many coats of epoxy prior to first coat of varnish?  (finish
> surface)
>
> 4.  How many coats of varnish over the epoxy? (finish surface)
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> 1987 Frers 22 #16
>
> Halifax, NS
>
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Re: Stus-List cabin sole question/update

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Maybe you already read this but:
http://www.westsystem.com/ss/varnish-over-epoxy/

I had to search it because I had not heard of varnishing over epoxy before.
Interesting.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
>
>
> All sections of new cabin sole are cut out and fitted and now the coating
> is in progress.  I have two coats of West 105/207 on the finished side of
> the teak and holly as well as underneath and on edges.  Following epoxy I
> am planning a number of coats of Epifanes varnish on the finished side only.
>
>
>
> A couple of questions.
>
>
>
> 1.  After sanding epoxy and prior to initial coat of varnish what
> should be used to wipe down the surface?  Acetone?
>
> 2.  After sanding each coat of varnish what is used to wipe down the
> varnish prior to applying next coat?  Some sort of paint thinner or
> something else?  I have Interlux 202 Solvent wash, paint thinner, Interlux
> special thinner 216 and acetone on hand as well as a Canadian Tire and a
> Chandlery on my drive home
>
> 3.  How many coats of epoxy prior to first coat of varnish?  (finish
> surface)
>
> 4.  How many coats of varnish over the epoxy? (finish surface)
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> 1987 Frers 22 #16
>
> Halifax, NS
>
> http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt
>
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Re: Stus-List cabin sole question/update

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Steve,

Yes.  Damn, that's expensive!

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Joel
>
>
>
> Regular paint thinner?
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> Yes – I have read that.  A friend (formerly C and now C) used
> varnish over epoxy on the 25 with great results.  Seals the teak better and
> hopefully holds up better/longer than varnish.  Teak & Holly now $609 CAD
> for 4x8 sheet so wantto take good care of it
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
> Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2016 2:36 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List cabin sole question/update
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
>
>
> I did 3 coats of epoxy.  Used thinner between coats.  I'd use thinner
> between coats of varnish too.
>
>
>
> I don't know what Ephiphanes recommends for the number of coats. I used
> Cetol natural x 3.   I imagine that's the minimum you would apply.
>
>
>
> Joel
>
> 35/3
>
> Annapolis
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> All sections of new cabin sole are cut out and fitted and now the coating
> is in progress.  I have two coats of West 105/207 on the finished side of
> the teak and holly as well as underneath and on edges.  Following epoxy I
> am planning a number of coats of Epifanes varnish on the finished side only.
>
>
>
> A couple of questions.
>
>
>
> 1.  After sanding epoxy and prior to initial coat of varnish what
> should be used to wipe down the surface?  Acetone?
>
> 2.  After sanding each coat of varnish what is used to wipe down the
> varnish prior to applying next coat?  Some sort of paint thinner or
> something else?  I have Interlux 202 Solvent wash, paint thinner, Interlux
> special thinner 216 and acetone on hand as well as a Canadian Tire and a
> Chandlery on my drive home
>
> 3.  How many coats of epoxy prior to first coat of varnish?  (finish
> surface)
>
> 4.  How many coats of varnish over the epoxy? (finish surface)
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> 1987 Frers 22 #16
>
> Halifax, NS
>
> http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt
>
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Re: Stus-List cabin sole question/update

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

For the second round of replacing the cabin sole and after using a single coat 
of epoxy with about 8 coats of gloss varnish on the first effort 12 years ago, 
I changed up.

1 coat Awlwood MA Primer
4 coats Awlwood MA Gloss
2 coats satin varnish of choice. I needed two coats because I’m a crappy 
varnisher…

And all I ever did between coats was sand, clean with a ling-free rag and use a 
tack-rag as I was brushing. Which is probably a bad thing…  :-)

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Mar 16, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi
>  
> All sections of new cabin sole are cut out and fitted and now the coating is 
> in progress.  I have two coats of West 105/207 on the finished side of the 
> teak and holly as well as underneath and on edges.  Following epoxy I am 
> planning a number of coats of Epifanes varnish on the finished side only.
>  
> A couple of questions.
>  
> 1.  After sanding epoxy and prior to initial coat of varnish what should 
> be used to wipe down the surface?  Acetone?
> 2.  After sanding each coat of varnish what is used to wipe down the 
> varnish prior to applying next coat?  Some sort of paint thinner or something 
> else?  I have Interlux 202 Solvent wash, paint thinner, Interlux special 
> thinner 216 and acetone on hand as well as a Canadian Tire and a Chandlery on 
> my drive home
> 3.  How many coats of epoxy prior to first coat of varnish?  (finish 
> surface)
> 4.  How many coats of varnish over the epoxy? (finish surface)
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Mike
> Persistence
> 1987 Frers 22 #16
> Halifax, NS
> http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt 
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Stus-List cabin sole question/update

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi

All sections of new cabin sole are cut out and fitted and now the coating is in 
progress.  I have two coats of West 105/207 on the finished side of the teak 
and holly as well as underneath and on edges.  Following epoxy I am planning a 
number of coats of Epifanes varnish on the finished side only.

A couple of questions.


1.  After sanding epoxy and prior to initial coat of varnish what should be 
used to wipe down the surface?  Acetone?

2.  After sanding each coat of varnish what is used to wipe down the 
varnish prior to applying next coat?  Some sort of paint thinner or something 
else?  I have Interlux 202 Solvent wash, paint thinner, Interlux special 
thinner 216 and acetone on hand as well as a Canadian Tire and a Chandlery on 
my drive home

3.  How many coats of epoxy prior to first coat of varnish?  (finish 
surface)

4.  How many coats of varnish over the epoxy? (finish surface)

Thanks

Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 22 #16
Halifax, NS
http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt
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Re: Stus-List cabin sole question/update

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Joel

Regular paint thinner?

Steve

Yes – I have read that.  A friend (formerly C and now C) used varnish 
over epoxy on the 25 with great results.  Seals the teak better and hopefully 
holds up better/longer than varnish.  Teak & Holly now $609 CAD for 4x8 sheet 
so wantto take good care of it

Mike

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 2:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List cabin sole question/update

Mike,

I did 3 coats of epoxy.  Used thinner between coats.  I'd use thinner between 
coats of varnish too.

I don't know what Ephiphanes recommends for the number of coats. I used Cetol 
natural x 3.   I imagine that's the minimum you would apply.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi

All sections of new cabin sole are cut out and fitted and now the coating is in 
progress.  I have two coats of West 105/207 on the finished side of the teak 
and holly as well as underneath and on edges.  Following epoxy I am planning a 
number of coats of Epifanes varnish on the finished side only.

A couple of questions.


1.  After sanding epoxy and prior to initial coat of varnish what should be 
used to wipe down the surface?  Acetone?

2.  After sanding each coat of varnish what is used to wipe down the 
varnish prior to applying next coat?  Some sort of paint thinner or something 
else?  I have Interlux 202 Solvent wash, paint thinner, Interlux special 
thinner 216 and acetone on hand as well as a Canadian Tire and a Chandlery on 
my drive home

3.  How many coats of epoxy prior to first coat of varnish?  (finish 
surface)

4.  How many coats of varnish over the epoxy? (finish surface)

Thanks

Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 22 #16
Halifax, NS
http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt

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Stus-List cabin sole question/update

[Dave Syer via CnC-List]

Have used several different epoxy systems over the years and have found
that prep can vary a bit.  Cured epoxy leaves a film on its surface
referred to as "amine blush" that needs to be removed.  It is water
soluble.  I have found that some types wipe off with a wet rag, some must
be washed more aggressively,  (cure temp affects this too I think)  Wipe
with acetone after that if you wish.  I scuff sand after as well.  FYI - I
recently tried a "blushless" resin, which was not. Maybe they meant
blush-less?  Dunno.

For outdoor applications, epoxy MUST  be varnished or painted as it has no
inherent UV resistance.  For sun-baked, non-structural things like
handrails, I would not bother with epoxy, its easier to stick (so to speak)
to one system, and you will be varnishing anyway.

FWIW Doing my cabin sole as well, and repaired/epoxied the board around the
mast step (some carpentry involved, and rot and damage repair but the rest
is in good shape and has resisted whatever water it has encountered since
'85.  Urethane varnish only.

Epoxy seems really benign but it isn't, so be careful.  You can become
sensitized with cumulative exposure (as my Dad has been) and I recently
developed a really nasty rash after doing some work.  Possibly the price of
carelessness over time.

Dave





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Subject: Stus-List cabin sole question/update
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Hi

All sections of new cabin sole are cut out and fitted and now the coating
is in progress.  I have two coats of West 105/207 on the finished side of
the teak and holly as well as underneath and on edges.  Following epoxy I
am planning a number of coats of Epifanes varnish on the finished side only.

A couple of questions.


1.  After sanding epoxy and prior to initial coat of varnish what
should be used to wipe down the surface?  Acetone?

2.  After sanding each coat of varnish what is used to wipe down the
varnish prior to applying next coat?  Some sort of paint thinner or
something else?  I have Interlux 202 Solvent wash, paint thinner, Interlux
special thinner 216 and acetone on hand as well as a Canadian Tire and a
Chandlery on my drive home

3.  How many coats of epoxy prior to first coat of varnish?  (finish
surface)

4.  How many coats of varnish over the epoxy? (finish surface)

Thanks

Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 22 #16
Halifax, NS
http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt
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Maybe you already read this but:
http://www.westsystem.com/ss/varnish-over-epoxy/

I had to search it because I had not heard of varnishing over epoxy before.
Interesting.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List cabin sole question/update

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Mike,

I did 3 coats of epoxy.  Used thinner between coats.  I'd use thinner
between coats of varnish too.

I don't know what Ephiphanes recommends for the number of coats. I used
Cetol natural x 3.   I imagine that's the minimum you would apply.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
>
>
> All sections of new cabin sole are cut out and fitted and now the coating
> is in progress.  I have two coats of West 105/207 on the finished side of
> the teak and holly as well as underneath and on edges.  Following epoxy I
> am planning a number of coats of Epifanes varnish on the finished side only.
>
>
>
> A couple of questions.
>
>
>
> 1.  After sanding epoxy and prior to initial coat of varnish what
> should be used to wipe down the surface?  Acetone?
>
> 2.  After sanding each coat of varnish what is used to wipe down the
> varnish prior to applying next coat?  Some sort of paint thinner or
> something else?  I have Interlux 202 Solvent wash, paint thinner, Interlux
> special thinner 216 and acetone on hand as well as a Canadian Tire and a
> Chandlery on my drive home
>
> 3.  How many coats of epoxy prior to first coat of varnish?  (finish
> surface)
>
> 4.  How many coats of varnish over the epoxy? (finish surface)
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> 1987 Frers 22 #16
>
> Halifax, NS
>
> http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt
>
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