Re: Stus-List Another Fuel Mystery

2019-10-31 Thread Rick Brass via CnC-List 
As Dennis says, ignition/coil failure were a problem on A4s with the 
conventional (points and condenser) ignition.

 

The fix is to convert to a breakerless electronic ignition. There is a kit 
available. (I think the system is called an Ignitor.) 

 

Did that on an old Newport 27 and the problem Dennis describes went away. Have 
had a couple of friends install the kit on various boats, including a couple of 
older C&Cs. Everyone seemed happy with the results.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Another Fuel Mystery

 

Internal short in the ignition coil.  Not uncommon issue with A4's when you run 
them a while.  Coil gets extremely hot and shorts out.  Cools a bit and it 
restarts.

 

If you ever run it long again (can't imagine that happening in Chatfield) 
CAREFULLY put your hand on the coil.  If it's too hot to touch, that could be 
the problem.

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 5:02 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Inspired by Tom’s post.

I have an A4.  On Friday afternoon I filled the fuel tank.  I motor so little 
on my lake - generally just in and out of the marina - that I can go a whole 
season one one tank.  Case in point, she took 12 gallons Friday in a 20-gallon 
tank, and was in the water five months used multiple times weekly.  I added 
lead substitute and stabilizer as usual.

When hauling out Saturday morning, I had to keep station near the launch ramp 
for an hour waiting my turn.  In the middle of that, my A4 just quit.  It’s 
never done that before, except a few times two years ago when I had a frozen 
petcock restricting fuel flow.

After a bit of cranking and choking she fired back up again, and ran smoothly 
for the rest of the station-keeping, haul-out, and winterizing on the hard.  I 
wrote it off to a temporary fuel flow issue, but I have no idea why it might 
have happened.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30 MK I #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List Another Fuel Mystery

2019-10-31 Thread Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Now if we could just edjumicate the English on those leaky engines . . . . 

 

Bill

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Another Fuel Mystery

 

Kinda like what I did with my 71 MGB.  Starts easily first thing in the
spring and all summer long.   Darn thing is reliable as heck now.  Go figure

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Another Fuel Mystery 

 

Agreed as to probable coil, especially if it cut out immediately with no
sputter whatsoever.  Fuel issues on A-4s will almost always cause a slower
die with a cough or two.  For me, the coil never failed once I replaced the
points and condenser with electronic ignition.  The electronic ignition from
Moyer Marine is only about 2x what you would pay for a full set of points,
condenser, cap and rotor.  Well worth the effort, and I never had to replace
my cap and roter for 8 years after putting in the electronics.

 

Just my $.02 worth,

 

Bruce 

 

 

 

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 Original message 

From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List  

Date: 10/30/19 7:29 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: Randy Stafford  

Subject: Re: Stus-List Another Fuel Mystery 

 

Ah, thanks Dennis! 

 

Cheers,

Randy





On Oct 30, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

 

Internal short in the ignition coil.  Not uncommon issue with A4's when you
run them a while.  Coil gets extremely hot and shorts out.  Cools a bit and
it restarts. 

 

If you ever run it long again (can't imagine that happening in Chatfield)
CAREFULLY put your hand on the coil.  If it's too hot to touch, that could
be the problem. 

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 5:02 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List
 wrote:

Inspired by Tom's post.

I have an A4.  On Friday afternoon I filled the fuel tank.  I motor so
little on my lake - generally just in and out of the marina - that I can go
a whole season one one tank.  Case in point, she took 12 gallons Friday in a
20-gallon tank, and was in the water five months used multiple times weekly.
I added lead substitute and stabilizer as usual.

When hauling out Saturday morning, I had to keep station near the launch
ramp for an hour waiting my turn.  In the middle of that, my A4 just quit.
It's never done that before, except a few times two years ago when I had a
frozen petcock restricting fuel flow.

After a bit of cranking and choking she fired back up again, and ran
smoothly for the rest of the station-keeping, haul-out, and winterizing on
the hard.  I wrote it off to a temporary fuel flow issue, but I have no idea
why it might have happened.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30 MK I #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List Another Fuel Mystery

2019-10-30 Thread Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
It definitely cut out immediately.  Now that I think about it, an ignition 
problem explains the observations better than a fuel problem.  Good to know 
about the coil.  If ever I take this boat somewhere I’ll need to motor more, or 
if ever I have to overhaul this 47-year-old mechanical ignition system,  I’ll 
invest in the Moyer electronic ignition kit.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Oct 30, 2019, at 7:25 PM, bwhitmore  wrote:
> 
> Agreed as to probable coil, especially if it cut out immediately with no 
> sputter whatsoever.  Fuel issues on A-4s will almost always cause a slower 
> die with a cough or two.  For me, the coil never failed once I replaced the 
> points and condenser with electronic ignition.  The electronic ignition from 
> Moyer Marine is only about 2x what you would pay for a full set of points, 
> condenser, cap and rotor.  Well worth the effort, and I never had to replace 
> my cap and roter for 8 years after putting in the electronics.
> 
> Just my $.02 worth,
> 
> Bruce 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Samsung tablet.
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
> Date: 10/30/19 7:29 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Randy Stafford 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Another Fuel Mystery
> 
> Ah, thanks Dennis!
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List > <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Internal short in the ignition coil.  Not uncommon issue with A4's when you 
>> run them a while.  Coil gets extremely hot and shorts out.  Cools a bit and 
>> it restarts.
>> 
>> If you ever run it long again (can't imagine that happening in Chatfield) 
>> CAREFULLY put your hand on the coil.  If it's too hot to touch, that could 
>> be the problem.
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 5:02 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> Inspired by Tom’s post.
>> 
>> I have an A4.  On Friday afternoon I filled the fuel tank.  I motor so 
>> little on my lake - generally just in and out of the marina - that I can go 
>> a whole season one one tank.  Case in point, she took 12 gallons Friday in a 
>> 20-gallon tank, and was in the water five months used multiple times weekly. 
>>  I added lead substitute and stabilizer as usual.
>> 
>> When hauling out Saturday morning, I had to keep station near the launch 
>> ramp for an hour waiting my turn.  In the middle of that, my A4 just quit.  
>> It’s never done that before, except a few times two years ago when I had a 
>> frozen petcock restricting fuel flow.
>> 
>> After a bit of cranking and choking she fired back up again, and ran 
>> smoothly for the rest of the station-keeping, haul-out, and winterizing on 
>> the hard.  I wrote it off to a temporary fuel flow issue, but I have no idea 
>> why it might have happened.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Randy Stafford
>> S/V Grenadine
>> C&C 30 MK I #7
>> Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List Another Fuel Mystery

2019-10-30 Thread Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
Check your fuel feed line, I have had the inner liner collapse and starve the 
engine of fuel then once the engine shuts down and the suction released start 
and run fine for a bit. This was on a Atomic 4 boat. Had a similar thing on our 
dinghy last season.

Paul

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Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 6:01:39 PM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Randy Stafford 
Subject: Stus-List Another Fuel Mystery

Inspired by Tom’s post.

I have an A4.  On Friday afternoon I filled the fuel tank.  I motor so little 
on my lake - generally just in and out of the marina - that I can go a whole 
season one one tank.  Case in point, she took 12 gallons Friday in a 20-gallon 
tank, and was in the water five months used multiple times weekly.  I added 
lead substitute and stabilizer as usual.

When hauling out Saturday morning, I had to keep station near the launch ramp 
for an hour waiting my turn.  In the middle of that, my A4 just quit.  It’s 
never done that before, except a few times two years ago when I had a frozen 
petcock restricting fuel flow.

After a bit of cranking and choking she fired back up again, and ran smoothly 
for the rest of the station-keeping, haul-out, and winterizing on the hard.  I 
wrote it off to a temporary fuel flow issue, but I have no idea why it might 
have happened.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30 MK I #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List Another Fuel Mystery

2019-10-30 Thread David Risch via CnC-List 
Kinda like what I did with my 71 MGB.  Starts easily first thing in the spring 
and all summer long.   Darn thing is reliable as heck now.  Go figure

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


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Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 9:25:27 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: bwhitmore 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Another Fuel Mystery

Agreed as to probable coil, especially if it cut out immediately with no 
sputter whatsoever.  Fuel issues on A-4s will almost always cause a slower die 
with a cough or two.  For me, the coil never failed once I replaced the points 
and condenser with electronic ignition.  The electronic ignition from Moyer 
Marine is only about 2x what you would pay for a full set of points, condenser, 
cap and rotor.  Well worth the effort, and I never had to replace my cap and 
roter for 8 years after putting in the electronics.

Just my $.02 worth,

Bruce



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 Original message 
From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
Date: 10/30/19 7:29 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Randy Stafford 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Another Fuel Mystery

Ah, thanks Dennis!

Cheers,
Randy

On Oct 30, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Internal short in the ignition coil.  Not uncommon issue with A4's when you run 
them a while.  Coil gets extremely hot and shorts out.  Cools a bit and it 
restarts.

If you ever run it long again (can't imagine that happening in Chatfield) 
CAREFULLY put your hand on the coil.  If it's too hot to touch, that could be 
the problem.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 5:02 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Inspired by Tom’s post.

I have an A4.  On Friday afternoon I filled the fuel tank.  I motor so little 
on my lake - generally just in and out of the marina - that I can go a whole 
season one one tank.  Case in point, she took 12 gallons Friday in a 20-gallon 
tank, and was in the water five months used multiple times weekly.  I added 
lead substitute and stabilizer as usual.

When hauling out Saturday morning, I had to keep station near the launch ramp 
for an hour waiting my turn.  In the middle of that, my A4 just quit.  It’s 
never done that before, except a few times two years ago when I had a frozen 
petcock restricting fuel flow.

After a bit of cranking and choking she fired back up again, and ran smoothly 
for the rest of the station-keeping, haul-out, and winterizing on the hard.  I 
wrote it off to a temporary fuel flow issue, but I have no idea why it might 
have happened.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30 MK I #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List Another Fuel Mystery

2019-10-30 Thread bwhitmore via CnC-List 
Agreed as to probable coil, especially if it cut out immediately with no 
sputter whatsoever.  Fuel issues on A-4s will almost always cause a slower die 
with a cough or two.  For me, the coil never failed once I replaced the points 
and condenser with electronic ignition.  The electronic ignition from Moyer 
Marine is only about 2x what you would pay for a full set of points, condenser, 
cap and rotor.  Well worth the effort, and I never had to replace my cap and 
roter for 8 years after putting in the electronics.Just my $.02 worth,Bruce 
Sent from Samsung tablet.
 Original message From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
 Date: 10/30/19  7:29 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Randy Stafford  Subject: 
Re: Stus-List Another Fuel Mystery Ah, thanks Dennis!Cheers,RandyOn Oct 30, 
2019, at 5:15 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  wrote:Internal 
short in the ignition coil.  Not uncommon issue with A4's when you run them a 
while.  Coil gets extremely hot and shorts out.  Cools a bit and it restarts.If 
you ever run it long again (can't imagine that happening in Chatfield) 
CAREFULLY put your hand on the coil.  If it's too hot to touch, that could be 
the problem.Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LAOn Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 5:02 
PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List  wrote:Inspired by Tom’s 
post.

I have an A4.  On Friday afternoon I filled the fuel tank.  I motor so little 
on my lake - generally just in and out of the marina - that I can go a whole 
season one one tank.  Case in point, she took 12 gallons Friday in a 20-gallon 
tank, and was in the water five months used multiple times weekly.  I added 
lead substitute and stabilizer as usual.

When hauling out Saturday morning, I had to keep station near the launch ramp 
for an hour waiting my turn.  In the middle of that, my A4 just quit.  It’s 
never done that before, except a few times two years ago when I had a frozen 
petcock restricting fuel flow.

After a bit of cranking and choking she fired back up again, and ran smoothly 
for the rest of the station-keeping, haul-out, and winterizing on the hard.  I 
wrote it off to a temporary fuel flow issue, but I have no idea why it might 
have happened.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30 MK I #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List Another Fuel Mystery

2019-10-30 Thread Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
Ah, thanks Dennis!

Cheers,
Randy

> On Oct 30, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Internal short in the ignition coil.  Not uncommon issue with A4's when you 
> run them a while.  Coil gets extremely hot and shorts out.  Cools a bit and 
> it restarts.
> 
> If you ever run it long again (can't imagine that happening in Chatfield) 
> CAREFULLY put your hand on the coil.  If it's too hot to touch, that could be 
> the problem.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 5:02 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Inspired by Tom’s post.
> 
> I have an A4.  On Friday afternoon I filled the fuel tank.  I motor so little 
> on my lake - generally just in and out of the marina - that I can go a whole 
> season one one tank.  Case in point, she took 12 gallons Friday in a 
> 20-gallon tank, and was in the water five months used multiple times weekly.  
> I added lead substitute and stabilizer as usual.
> 
> When hauling out Saturday morning, I had to keep station near the launch ramp 
> for an hour waiting my turn.  In the middle of that, my A4 just quit.  It’s 
> never done that before, except a few times two years ago when I had a frozen 
> petcock restricting fuel flow.
> 
> After a bit of cranking and choking she fired back up again, and ran smoothly 
> for the rest of the station-keeping, haul-out, and winterizing on the hard.  
> I wrote it off to a temporary fuel flow issue, but I have no idea why it 
> might have happened.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30 MK I #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List Another Fuel Mystery

2019-10-30 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Internal short in the ignition coil.  Not uncommon issue with A4's when you
run them a while.  Coil gets extremely hot and shorts out.  Cools a bit and
it restarts.

If you ever run it long again (can't imagine that happening in Chatfield)
CAREFULLY put your hand on the coil.  If it's too hot to touch, that could
be the problem.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 5:02 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Inspired by Tom’s post.
>
> I have an A4.  On Friday afternoon I filled the fuel tank.  I motor so
> little on my lake - generally just in and out of the marina - that I can go
> a whole season one one tank.  Case in point, she took 12 gallons Friday in
> a 20-gallon tank, and was in the water five months used multiple times
> weekly.  I added lead substitute and stabilizer as usual.
>
> When hauling out Saturday morning, I had to keep station near the launch
> ramp for an hour waiting my turn.  In the middle of that, my A4 just quit.
> It’s never done that before, except a few times two years ago when I had a
> frozen petcock restricting fuel flow.
>
> After a bit of cranking and choking she fired back up again, and ran
> smoothly for the rest of the station-keeping, haul-out, and winterizing on
> the hard.  I wrote it off to a temporary fuel flow issue, but I have no
> idea why it might have happened.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30 MK I #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
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Stus-List Another Fuel Mystery

2019-10-30 Thread Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
Inspired by Tom’s post.

I have an A4.  On Friday afternoon I filled the fuel tank.  I motor so little 
on my lake - generally just in and out of the marina - that I can go a whole 
season one one tank.  Case in point, she took 12 gallons Friday in a 20-gallon 
tank, and was in the water five months used multiple times weekly.  I added 
lead substitute and stabilizer as usual.

When hauling out Saturday morning, I had to keep station near the launch ramp 
for an hour waiting my turn.  In the middle of that, my A4 just quit.  It’s 
never done that before, except a few times two years ago when I had a frozen 
petcock restricting fuel flow.

After a bit of cranking and choking she fired back up again, and ran smoothly 
for the rest of the station-keeping, haul-out, and winterizing on the hard.  I 
wrote it off to a temporary fuel flow issue, but I have no idea why it might 
have happened.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30 MK I #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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