Re: Stus-List C 25 leak

[Mark McMenamy via CnC-List]

I don't have any holes in the settee lockers.  Are there holes in both the fore 
and aft lockers? Or just the aft?  I wonder if I could just drill a hole or two 
on the inside of each locker?

I have never buried the rail on my C 25.  I do get a little water in the 
bilge after a rain, but its not excessive.  I also have a window leaking.  I 
was going to try a little Captain Trolly first.

Mark McMenamy
C 25 "Icicle"
Fort Pierce FL

On May 1, 2016, at 11:16 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

My 25, a MK1 HIN 225, has been very dry for the 22 years I've owned her. So dry 
I don't have a bilge pump except the OEM hand pump in the cockpit sole, and I 
dry out the bilge with a sponge every 6 months or so. Maybe I'm just lucky.

But on my boat there are small limber holes (maybe (1/2)" diameter) in the 
bottom inside seam of the lockers under each settee. And that makes me want to 
ask if your bilge is dry when you take the boat out for a sail?

If I had water in the small bilge of the 25, and sailed at an extreme angle of 
heel (she is fastest with only 15-18 degrees of heel in my experience), some of 
the water would migrate from the bilge to the lockers.

I find it hard to envision spending enough time with the toerail in the water 
to get water ingress through the hull to deck joint, and a leak between the 
deck and toerail would let water in during a rain storm.

Rick Brass
Imzadi  C 38 mk 2
la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1
Washington, NC



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Subject: Re: Stus-List C 25 leak

I have the same problem too, but it is in the bilge, and does not seem tn be 
related to heeling or sailing.
Ahmet
Winthrop, MA
C "Tabasco"

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Mark McMenamy via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hello everyone,

I have water in each of the aft storage bins under the settees.  When it rains 
no water accumulates, but when we go for a sail there will be a small amount of 
water in each bin.  After I dry it out, it stays dry until we go for a sail.   
What I'm thinking is there is a leak in the seal in between the topsides and 
the hull seam, and sea spray forces its way into the hull on the down wind 
side.   I was thinking that I need to tighten the bolts along the toe rail that 
hold the topsides to the hull.  I've read online that you hold the screw steady 
on top and turn the bolt underneath.  I believe there is butyl tape in between 
the hull and the topsides.   I was thinking of giving each bolt a 1/4 turn.  Is 
my thinking on this correct?

Thanks a lot for your help.

Mark McMenamy
C 25 "Icicle"
Fort Pierce FL
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Re: Stus-List C 25 leak

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

According to the stability diagram on the Photo Album, the 25 (Mk1) is above 
average for stiffness vs. other C models. The mk2, not so much. The mk2 ranks 
below the 27s, which I perceive to be on the tender size.

 

I have had my toerail in the water over the years, and as you say it was 
usually the result of a mistake. I even had water coming in over the cockpit 
coming once – the result of a 60 or 70 knot microburst that preceded a thunder 
storm. I was a bit too busy to see what that translated to in terms of heel 
angle. But I did notice that the J/24 just ahead of me had his lee spreader tip 
in the water during the same event.

 

I only have a little bit of experience on a friend’s Pearson 26 during a 
daysail out to Cape Lookout from Beaufort, NC. So I can’t really comment on the 
stiffness. But I wasn’t particularly impressed with the deck layout or the 
seakeeping abilities of the boat. I prefer my 25 (and the 38 even more). YMMV

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List C 25 leak

 

 

 But I've never seen the toe rail of my boat in the water, and I've had the 
boat heeled as far as 40 degrees.  (I wouldn't have believed that number had my 
friend not got a photo of the compass.)  I've put the toe rail of a Pearson 26 
in the water, I know what it looks like.  The C 25 is not all that stiff.  
I'd say the Pearson 26 is stiffer.  So what is the difference?  The beam, the 
freeboard, the shear, a combination of all of them?

 

Mark

C 25 Mk 1

Mattapoisett, MA

 

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Re: Stus-List C 25 leak

[Sailnomad via CnC-List]

Looking at the numbers from SailboatData.com, the C is a faster boat,
even though the Ballast/Displacement is higher, so she should theoretically
be stiffer. There is no significant difference in the beam, so the C is
"fatter"
Perhaps because the C has a higher SA/D ratio she may seem more tender ?
Ahmet
Winthrop, MA
"Tabasco" C 25

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Mark G via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> My boat also has the limber holes that allow the settee lockers to drain
> to the bilge.  They were there when I bought the boat.
> My boat also only has the manual bilge pump in the cockpit.  I always
> planned to install an automatic bilge pump but never needed it.
> For the most part my boat is dry.  While I sometimes get water in the
> bilge, it is barely enough to be drawn by the bilge pump.  I've noticed
> water droplets on the inside of the hull below the toe rail, and at times
> there was salt residue.  So I always thought that water splashing on the
> foredeck would get under the toe rail as it flowed aft and and drip down
> the inside of the hull.  It also was apparent that there would be more
> water in the bilge after a heavy rainstorm.  I've never tightened my toe
> rail bolts.  It's on that list of things to be done.
>
> Curious about putting the toe rail of a C 25 in the water.  I know it's
> not a desirable state of sailing, more of a mistake.  But I've never seen
> the toe rail of my boat in the water, and I've had the boat heeled as far
> as 40 degrees.  (I wouldn't have believed that number had my friend not got
> a photo of the compass.)  I've put the toe rail of a Pearson 26 in the
> water, I know what it looks like.  The C 25 is not all that stiff.  I'd
> say the Pearson 26 is stiffer.  So what is the difference?  The beam, the
> freeboard, the shear, a combination of all of them?
>
> Mark
> C 25 Mk 1
> Mattapoisett, MA
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 23:15:53 -0400
> From: "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net>
> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C 25 leak
> Message-ID: <000a01d1a420$f054e7e0$d0feb7a0$@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> My 25, a MK1 HIN 225, has been very dry for the 22 years I?ve owned her.
> So dry I don?t have a bilge pump except the OEM hand pump in the cockpit
> sole, and I dry out the bilge with a sponge every 6 months or so. Maybe I?m
> just lucky.
> But on my boat there are small limber holes (maybe ?? diameter) in the
> bottom inside seam of the lockers under each settee. And that makes me want
> to ask if your bilge is dry when you take the boat out for a sail?
> If I had water in the small bilge of the 25, and sailed at an extreme
> angle of heel (she is fastest with only 15-18 degrees of heel in my
> experience), some of the water would migrate from the bilge to the lockers.
> I find it hard to envision spending enough time with the toerail in the
> water to get water ingress through the hull to deck joint, and a leak
> between the deck and toerail would let water in during a rain storm.
> Rick Brass
> Imzadi C 38 mk 2
> la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1
> Washington, NC
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> Sailnomad via CnC-List
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 5:05 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Sailnomad <sailno...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C 25 leak
> I have the same problem too, but it is in the bilge, and does not seem tn
> be related to heeling or sailing.
> Ahmet
> Winthrop, MA
> C "Tabasco"
> On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Mark McMenamy via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> I have water in each of the aft storage bins under the settees. When it
> rains no water accumulates, but when we go for a sail there will be a small
> amount of water in each bin. After I dry it out, it stays dry until we go
> for a sail. What I'm thinking is there is a leak in the seal in between the
> topsides and the hull seam, and sea spray forces its way into the hull on
> the down wind side. I was thinking that I need to tighten the bolts along
> the toe rail that hold the topsides to the hull. I've read online that you
> hold the screw steady on top and turn the bolt underneath. I believe there
> is butyl tape in between the hull and the topsides. I was thinking of
> giving each bolt a 1/4 turn. Is my thinking on this correct?
> Thanks a lot for your help.
> Mark McMenamy
> C 25 "Icicle"
> Fort Pierce FL
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Re: Stus-List C 25 leak

[Mark G via CnC-List]

My boat also has the limber holes that allow the settee lockers to drain to the 
bilge.  They were there when I bought the boat.

My boat also only has the manual bilge pump in the cockpit.  I always planned 
to install an automatic bilge pump but never needed it.

For the most part my boat is dry.  While I sometimes get water in the bilge, it 
is barely enough to be drawn by the bilge pump.  I've noticed water droplets on 
the inside of the hull below the toe rail, and at times there was salt residue. 
 So I always thought that water splashing on the foredeck would get under the 
toe rail as it flowed aft and and drip down the inside of the hull.  It also 
was apparent that there would be more water in the bilge after a heavy 
rainstorm.  I've never tightened my toe rail bolts.  It's on that list of 
things to be done.
 
Curious about putting the toe rail of a C 25 in the water.  I know it's not a 
desirable state of sailing, more of a mistake.  But I've never seen the toe 
rail of my boat in the water, and I've had the boat heeled as far as 40 
degrees.  (I wouldn't have believed that number had my friend not got a photo 
of the compass.)  I've put the toe rail of a Pearson 26 in the water, I know 
what it looks like.  The C 25 is not all that stiff.  I'd say the Pearson 26 
is stiffer.  So what is the difference?  The beam, the freeboard, the shear, a 
combination of all of them?
 
Mark
C 25 Mk 1
Mattapoisett, MA



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Message: 1Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 23:15:53 -0400From: "Rick Brass" 
<rickbr...@earthlink.net>To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>Subject: Re: Stus-List C 
25 leakMessage-ID: <000a01d1a420$f054e7e0$d0feb7a0$@earthlink.net>Content-Type: 
text/plain; charset="utf-8"

My 25, a MK1 HIN 225, has been very dry for the 22 years I?ve owned her. So dry 
I don?t have a bilge pump except the OEM hand pump in the cockpit sole, and I 
dry out the bilge with a sponge every 6 months or so. Maybe I?m just lucky.



But on my boat there are small limber holes (maybe ?? diameter) in the bottom 
inside seam of the lockers under each settee. And that makes me want to ask if 
your bilge is dry when you take the boat out for a sail?



If I had water in the small bilge of the 25, and sailed at an extreme angle of 
heel (she is fastest with only 15-18 degrees of heel in my experience), some of 
the water would migrate from the bilge to the lockers.



I find it hard to envision spending enough time with the toerail in the water 
to get water ingress through the hull to deck joint, and a leak between the 
deck and toerail would let water in during a rain storm.



Rick Brass

Imzadi C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1

Washington, NC







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I have the same problem too, but it is in the bilge, and does not seem tn be 
related to heeling or sailing.

Ahmet

Winthrop, MA

C "Tabasco"



On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Mark McMenamy via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hello everyone,

I have water in each of the aft storage bins under the settees. When it rains 
no water accumulates, but when we go for a sail there will be a small amount of 
water in each bin. After I dry it out, it stays dry until we go for a sail. 
What I'm thinking is there is a leak in the seal in between the topsides and 
the hull seam, and sea spray forces its way into the hull on the down wind 
side. I was thinking that I need to tighten the bolts along the toe rail that 
hold the topsides to the hull. I've read online that you hold the screw steady 
on top and turn the bolt underneath. I believe there is butyl tape in between 
the hull and the topsides. I was thinking of giving each bolt a 1/4 turn. Is my 
thinking on this correct?

Thanks a lot for your help.

Mark McMenamyC 25 "Icicle"Fort Pierce 
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Re: Stus-List C 25 leak

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

My 25, a MK1 HIN 225, has been very dry for the 22 years I’ve owned her. So dry 
I don’t have a bilge pump except the OEM hand pump in the cockpit sole, and I 
dry out the bilge with a sponge every 6 months or so. Maybe I’m just lucky.

 

But on my boat there are small limber holes (maybe ½” diameter) in the bottom 
inside seam of the lockers under each settee. And that makes me want to ask if 
your bilge is dry when you take the boat out for a sail?

 

If I had water in the small bilge of the 25, and sailed at an extreme angle of 
heel (she is fastest with only 15-18 degrees of heel in my experience), some of 
the water would migrate from the bilge to the lockers.

 

I find it hard to envision spending enough time with the toerail in the water 
to get water ingress through the hull to deck joint, and a leak between the 
deck and toerail would let water in during a rain storm.

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List C 25 leak

 

I have the same problem too, but it is in the bilge, and does not seem tn be 
related to heeling or sailing.

Ahmet

Winthrop, MA

C "Tabasco"

 

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Mark McMenamy via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hello everyone,

I have water in each of the aft storage bins under the settees.  When it rains 
no water accumulates, but when we go for a sail there will be a small amount of 
water in each bin.  After I dry it out, it stays dry until we go for a sail.   
What I'm thinking is there is a leak in the seal in between the topsides and 
the hull seam, and sea spray forces its way into the hull on the down wind 
side.   I was thinking that I need to tighten the bolts along the toe rail that 
hold the topsides to the hull.  I've read online that you hold the screw steady 
on top and turn the bolt underneath.  I believe there is butyl tape in between 
the hull and the topsides.   I was thinking of giving each bolt a 1/4 turn.  Is 
my thinking on this correct?

Thanks a lot for your help.

Mark McMenamy
C 25 "Icicle"
Fort Pierce FL
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Stus-List C 25 leak

[Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List]

Just because we're talking leaks and bilges, I've found water along the aft 
centreline and into the bilge, got the garden hose out and flooded the cockpit, 
couldn't find a leak until I was groping around the underside of the pedestal. 
But, that wasn't the leak spot. Turns out the caulk that was used to seal the 
instrument panel in place wasn't adequate and had dried to a hard crusty mess. 
So the rain was running off the back of the port seat in the cockpit and down 
through the panel, across the ceiling of the aft bunk and pooling just below 
the pedestal, then running forward.
Brad
"Pulse" C 33 MkII
Lake Huron



I'd rather be sailing

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Re: Stus-List C 25 leak

[Ed dooley via CnC-List]

Mine was the bilge too.
Ed

Sent from my iPhone

On May 1, 2016, at 5:04 PM, Sailnomad  wrote:

> I have the same problem too, but it is in the bilge, and does not seem tn be 
> related to heeling or sailing.
> Ahmet
> Winthrop, MA
> C "Tabasco"
> 
> On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Mark McMenamy via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I have water in each of the aft storage bins under the settees.  When it 
>> rains no water accumulates, but when we go for a sail there will be a small 
>> amount of water in each bin.  After I dry it out, it stays dry until we go 
>> for a sail.   What I'm thinking is there is a leak in the seal in between 
>> the topsides and the hull seam, and sea spray forces its way into the hull 
>> on the down wind side.   I was thinking that I need to tighten the bolts 
>> along the toe rail that hold the topsides to the hull.  I've read online 
>> that you hold the screw steady on top and turn the bolt underneath.  I 
>> believe there is butyl tape in between the hull and the topsides.   I was 
>> thinking of giving each bolt a 1/4 turn.  Is my thinking on this correct?
>> 
>> Thanks a lot for your help.
>> 
>> Mark McMenamy
>> C 25 "Icicle"
>> Fort Pierce FL
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Re: Stus-List C 25 leak

[Mark McMenamy via CnC-List]

Great...thanks a lot for the replies.

Mark McMenamy
C 25 "Icicle"
Fort Pierce FL

On May 1, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Sailnomad via CnC-List 
> wrote:

I have the same problem too, but it is in the bilge, and does not seem tn be 
related to heeling or sailing.
Ahmet
Winthrop, MA
C "Tabasco"

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Mark McMenamy via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Hello everyone,

I have water in each of the aft storage bins under the settees.  When it rains 
no water accumulates, but when we go for a sail there will be a small amount of 
water in each bin.  After I dry it out, it stays dry until we go for a sail.   
What I'm thinking is there is a leak in the seal in between the topsides and 
the hull seam, and sea spray forces its way into the hull on the down wind 
side.   I was thinking that I need to tighten the bolts along the toe rail that 
hold the topsides to the hull.  I've read online that you hold the screw steady 
on top and turn the bolt underneath.  I believe there is butyl tape in between 
the hull and the topsides.   I was thinking of giving each bolt a 1/4 turn.  Is 
my thinking on this correct?

Thanks a lot for your help.

Mark McMenamy
C 25 "Icicle"
Fort Pierce FL
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Re: Stus-List C 25 leak

[Sailnomad via CnC-List]

I have the same problem too, but it is in the bilge, and does not seem tn
be related to heeling or sailing.
Ahmet
Winthrop, MA
C "Tabasco"

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Mark McMenamy via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I have water in each of the aft storage bins under the settees.  When it
> rains no water accumulates, but when we go for a sail there will be a small
> amount of water in each bin.  After I dry it out, it stays dry until we go
> for a sail.   What I'm thinking is there is a leak in the seal in between
> the topsides and the hull seam, and sea spray forces its way into the hull
> on the down wind side.   I was thinking that I need to tighten the bolts
> along the toe rail that hold the topsides to the hull.  I've read online
> that you hold the screw steady on top and turn the bolt underneath.  I
> believe there is butyl tape in between the hull and the topsides.   I was
> thinking of giving each bolt a 1/4 turn.  Is my thinking on this correct?
>
> Thanks a lot for your help.
>
> Mark McMenamy
> C 25 "Icicle"
> Fort Pierce FL
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Re: Stus-List C 25 leak

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Mark McMenamy via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Do you apply it up underneath the hull joint on the side of the boat?



No.  Squirt it into the deck/toe rail joint.  Start at the bow, place the
tip of the applicator bottle against the toe rail where it meets the deck.
Run the tip down the toe rail.  The liquid will get sucked under the toe
rail.

You can put on several applications in a day.  You could also apply some to
each fastener.

I'm not saying don't check the toe rail bolts.  Do that also, just don't
get carried away tightening them.  They should be snug, not over-tightened.

Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List C 25 leak

[Ed Dooley via CnC-List]

Not to take away anything from Dennis' good advice, but I did exactly what 
you're thinking of doing on my C 24 and it
solved my leaking problem. I actually probably went 1/2 turn (it was 5 years 
ago, so not sure). As Dennis said, there might be other
reasons for your leak. And as for the butyl tape between the hull and topsides, 
when I tightened the bolts a very small amount of what looked like butyl,
but more liquid, oozed out at one spot which led me to believe it wasn't in 
tape form. Before tightening the bolts I was about to re-bed the toe rails, 
which
*does* have butyl tape between them and the deck, but the tightening fixed it.
Ed


On May 1, 2016, at 4:23 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

> From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>
> Date: May 1, 2016 4:22:49 PM EDT
> To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C 25 leak
> 
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Leaks in the hull/deck joint are not uncommon.  However, one must consider 
> whether the leak is from under the rub rail due to excessive heeling and wave 
> action or from water ingress through the deck/toe rail interface or from the 
> fasteners.  Don't think that because it doesn't leak except when sailing that 
> the deck/toe rail interface isn't the source.  The deck/toe rail interface 
> may well leak as the boat flexes while sailing but does not leak while the 
> boat is at rest.
> 
> Your solution may be correct with one very significant caveat.  Tightening 
> the bolts will compress the butyl sealant and sailing the boat may result in 
> additional leakage.  A few iterations of this may result in no sealant 
> remaining.
> 
> I tightened the bolts once when first got Touche' later deciding it may not 
> be the best practice.  Now I use multiple applications of Captain Tolley's 
> Creeping Crack Cure along the deck/toe rail interface.  Capt Tolley's 
> "creeps" into the joint and cures forming a seal.  I repeat applications 
> every 2-3 years.
> 
> While I may get some leakage due to extreme heeling, I'd be content to let 
> that happen and either sponge out the compartments or drill limber holes to 
> let the water drain to the bilge.
> 
> Just my 2 cents worth.  
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Mark McMenamy via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have water in each of the aft storage bins under the settees.  When it 
> rains no water accumulates, but when we go for a sail there will be a small 
> amount of water in each bin.  After I dry it out, it stays dry until we go 
> for a sail.   What I'm thinking is there is a leak in the seal in between the 
> topsides and the hull seam, and sea spray forces its way into the hull on the 
> down wind side.   I was thinking that I need to tighten the bolts along the 
> toe rail that hold the topsides to the hull.  I've read online that you hold 
> the screw steady on top and turn the bolt underneath.  I believe there is 
> butyl tape in between the hull and the topsides.   I was thinking of giving 
> each bolt a 1/4 turn.  Is my thinking on this correct?
> 
> Thanks a lot for your help.
> 
> Mark McMenamy
> C 25 "Icicle"
> Fort Pierce FL



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Re: Stus-List C 25 leak

[Mark McMenamy via CnC-List]

Hi Dennis,

Thanks for the reply.  I was worried about squeezing out the butyl tape as 
well.  I like your captain trolly idea.  Do you apply it up underneath the hull 
joint on the side of the boat?

Yes.  It's really not an excessive leak.  After a sail I may have 1/4 cup of 
water to pull out.

Thanks,

Mark McMenamy
C 25 "Icicle"
Fort Pierce FL

On May 1, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:

Mark,

Leaks in the hull/deck joint are not uncommon.  However, one must consider 
whether the leak is from under the rub rail due to excessive heeling and wave 
action or from water ingress through the deck/toe rail interface or from the 
fasteners.  Don't think that because it doesn't leak except when sailing that 
the deck/toe rail interface isn't the source.  The deck/toe rail interface may 
well leak as the boat flexes while sailing but does not leak while the boat is 
at rest.

Your solution may be correct with one very significant caveat.  Tightening the 
bolts will compress the butyl sealant and sailing the boat may result in 
additional leakage.  A few iterations of this may result in no sealant 
remaining.

I tightened the bolts once when first got Touche' later deciding it may not be 
the best practice.  Now I use multiple applications of Captain Tolley's 
Creeping Crack Cure along the deck/toe rail interface.  Capt Tolley's "creeps" 
into the joint and cures forming a seal.  I repeat applications every 2-3 years.

While I may get some leakage due to extreme heeling, I'd be content to let that 
happen and either sponge out the compartments or drill limber holes to let the 
water drain to the bilge.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Mark McMenamy via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Hello everyone,

I have water in each of the aft storage bins under the settees.  When it rains 
no water accumulates, but when we go for a sail there will be a small amount of 
water in each bin.  After I dry it out, it stays dry until we go for a sail.   
What I'm thinking is there is a leak in the seal in between the topsides and 
the hull seam, and sea spray forces its way into the hull on the down wind 
side.   I was thinking that I need to tighten the bolts along the toe rail that 
hold the topsides to the hull.  I've read online that you hold the screw steady 
on top and turn the bolt underneath.  I believe there is butyl tape in between 
the hull and the topsides.   I was thinking of giving each bolt a 1/4 turn.  Is 
my thinking on this correct?

Thanks a lot for your help.

Mark McMenamy
C 25 "Icicle"
Fort Pierce FL
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Re: Stus-List C 25 leak

[jhnelson via CnC-List]

Pretty much. You may have to go more than a 1/4 turn. But it will become 
obvious how much once you get startedSome of mine the nuts had backed off 
almost completely.


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 Original message 
From: Mark McMenamy via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Date: 2016-05-01  4:27 PM  (GMT-04:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Mark McMenamy <markm...@msn.com> 
Subject: Stus-List C 25 leak 

Hello everyone,

I have water in each of the aft storage bins under the settees.  When it rains 
no water accumulates, but when we go for a sail there will be a small amount of 
water in each bin.  After I dry it out, it stays dry until we go for a sail.   
What I'm thinking is there is a leak in the seal in between the topsides and 
the hull seam, and sea spray forces its way into the hull on the down wind 
side.   I was thinking that I need to tighten the bolts along the toe rail that 
hold the topsides to the hull.  I've read online that you hold the screw steady 
on top and turn the bolt underneath.  I believe there is butyl tape in between 
the hull and the topsides.   I was thinking of giving each bolt a 1/4 turn.  Is 
my thinking on this correct?

Thanks a lot for your help.

Mark McMenamy
C 25 "Icicle"
Fort Pierce FL
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Re: Stus-List C 25 leak

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Mark,

Leaks in the hull/deck joint are not uncommon.  However, one must consider
whether the leak is from under the rub rail due to excessive heeling and
wave action or from water ingress through the deck/toe rail interface or
from the fasteners.  Don't think that because it doesn't leak except when
sailing that the deck/toe rail interface isn't the source.  The deck/toe
rail interface may well leak as the boat flexes while sailing but does not
leak while the boat is at rest.

Your solution may be correct with one very significant caveat.  Tightening
the bolts will compress the butyl sealant and sailing the boat may result
in additional leakage.  A few iterations of this may result in no sealant
remaining.

I tightened the bolts once when first got Touche' later deciding it may not
be the best practice.  Now I use multiple applications of Captain Tolley's
Creeping Crack Cure along the deck/toe rail interface.  Capt Tolley's
"creeps" into the joint and cures forming a seal.  I repeat applications
every 2-3 years.

While I may get some leakage due to extreme heeling, I'd be content to let
that happen and either sponge out the compartments or drill limber holes to
let the water drain to the bilge.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Mark McMenamy via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I have water in each of the aft storage bins under the settees.  When it
> rains no water accumulates, but when we go for a sail there will be a small
> amount of water in each bin.  After I dry it out, it stays dry until we go
> for a sail.   What I'm thinking is there is a leak in the seal in between
> the topsides and the hull seam, and sea spray forces its way into the hull
> on the down wind side.   I was thinking that I need to tighten the bolts
> along the toe rail that hold the topsides to the hull.  I've read online
> that you hold the screw steady on top and turn the bolt underneath.  I
> believe there is butyl tape in between the hull and the topsides.   I was
> thinking of giving each bolt a 1/4 turn.  Is my thinking on this correct?
>
> Thanks a lot for your help.
>
> Mark McMenamy
> C 25 "Icicle"
> Fort Pierce FL
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Stus-List C 25 leak

[Mark McMenamy via CnC-List]

Hello everyone,

I have water in each of the aft storage bins under the settees.  When it rains 
no water accumulates, but when we go for a sail there will be a small amount of 
water in each bin.  After I dry it out, it stays dry until we go for a sail.   
What I'm thinking is there is a leak in the seal in between the topsides and 
the hull seam, and sea spray forces its way into the hull on the down wind 
side.   I was thinking that I need to tighten the bolts along the toe rail that 
hold the topsides to the hull.  I've read online that you hold the screw steady 
on top and turn the bolt underneath.  I believe there is butyl tape in between 
the hull and the topsides.   I was thinking of giving each bolt a 1/4 turn.  Is 
my thinking on this correct?

Thanks a lot for your help.

Mark McMenamy
C 25 "Icicle"
Fort Pierce FL
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