Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
Got it, makes sense. My acronym decoder wasn't working when I read that :) Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Michael Brown" <m...@tkg.ca> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 8:11:17 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing OD as in One Design, like a Melges 20, J/22 etc. The class rules cover weight, sails, sometimes even this size of all the running rigging. In larger fleets there are tuning documents, some are so detailed they will recommend shroud tension by wind and wave conditions, Most fleets have accurate polars because the boats should be the same, and sail the same. After a while every detail is wrung out to what is the fastest settings and what speed you will get. On the newest designs a lot of the set up is calculated by computer before the boats hit the water. With our generation there was a lot of production differences, sometimes +/- over a hundred pounds of weight, and possibly no one has the same sails even if they are ~ 155%. At best a polar would be a very rough guide. Michael Brown Windburn C 30-1 From: RANDY <randy.staff...@comcast.net> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Michael Brown <m...@tkg.ca> Sent: 7/19/2016 6:36 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Way to go Michael! One question: what did you mean by "OD" (in " It is not a OD where a computer has figured out the precise point to set everything, and anything even slightly off is slower"). Cheers, Randy From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Michael Brown" <m...@tkg.ca> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 7:59:18 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing I am just back from 47 hours of racing a C 30-1, the Lake Ontario 300 Scotch Bonnet course. We do the Double Handed Flying Sail class, and carry both a symmetrical and asymmetrical spinnakers. As usual Lake Ontario presents a wide range of sailing conditions even over 2 days, ranging from dead air for a couple of hours trying to round Scotch Bonnet to 31 kts apparent on the nose coming in to the Niagara mark. The 30-1 seems to handle everything OK. Hard to summarize any specific characteristics but as others have mentioned upgrade the rigging so you can correctly trim the sails even under heavy load. Despite being 30' they lines will load up a lot. I have the big boat harken main traveler with a 4:1 primary sheet and a further 4:1 fine adjuster. I put on captive ball genoa tracks this year and adjust them all the time now under load. There is still some magic in these old boats. Windburn took first in class, first in fleet ( pretty much the same ) and first corrected all boats in the Scotch Bonnet course. We had aspirations of line honors even against boats like the J/33, Jenneau 50 and C 115 but the aforementioned dead air at Scotch Bonnet killed our miles of lead over the fleet. So sail your C 30 hard, watch your VMG and trim constantly. It is not a OD where a computer has figured out the precise point to set everything, and anything even slightly off is slower. The 30-1 will handle way more sail area in a breeze than conventional wisdom will recommend. And have lots of fun! Michael Brown Windburn C 30-1 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:15:57 -0400 From: "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Message-ID: <000501d1e1bf$bc5dc4c0$35194e40$@atlanticbb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Recommend not to pinch, the boat seems to want to be free. Also, you should have inboard genoa tracks to help pointing, but need to sheet the genoa outboard for reaching. My tracks are about four feet aft of the shrouds, in line with them and are six feet long? I have adjustable cars (Garhauer) but use a snatch block on the rail when reaching. I set the rig tension on the medium to loose side, but race in mostly light air. Selection is a 155, 140, 110 ? all Dacron (had high tech but when they fail?they fail big and my budget didn?t fit getting new ones every four years). Gary #593 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steven Tattrie via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Steven Tattrie <steven.tatt...@gmail.com> Subject: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Hi, I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a C 30 MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the best out of the boat, eg tight rigging, rake, sail selection, strength or weaknesses specific to the 30 to stay competitive? I have been sailing for a couple decades so no
Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
OD as in One Design, like a Melges 20, J/22 etc. The class rules cover weight, sails, sometimes even this size of all the running rigging. In larger fleets there are tuning documents, some are so detailed they will recommend shroud tension by wind and wave conditions, Most fleets have accurate polars because the boats should be the same, and sail the same. After a while every detail is wrung out to what is the fastest settings and what speed you will get. On the newest designs a lot of the set up is calculated by computer before the boats hit the water. With our generation there was a lot of production differences, sometimes +/- over a hundred pounds of weight, and possibly no one has the same sails even if they are ~ 155%. At best a polar would be a very rough guide. Michael Brown Windburn C 30-1 From: RANDY <randy.staff...@comcast.net> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Michael Brown <m...@tkg.ca> Sent: 7/19/2016 6:36 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Way to go Michael! One question: what did you mean by "OD" (in "It is not a OD where a computer has figured out the precise point to set everything, and anything even slightly off is slower"). Cheers, Randy From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Michael Brown" <m...@tkg.ca> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 7:59:18 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing I am just back from 47 hours of racing a C 30-1, the Lake Ontario 300 Scotch Bonnet course. We do the Double Handed Flying Sail class, and carry both a symmetrical and asymmetrical spinnakers. As usual Lake Ontario presents a wide range of sailing conditions even over 2 days, ranging from dead air for a couple of hours trying to round Scotch Bonnet to 31 kts apparent on the nose coming in to the Niagara mark. The 30-1 seems to handle everything OK. Hard to summarize any specific characteristics but as others have mentioned upgrade the rigging so you can correctly trim the sails even under heavy load. Despite being 30' they lines will load up a lot. I have the big boat harken main traveler with a 4:1 primary sheet and a further 4:1 fine adjuster. I put on captive ball genoa tracks this year and adjust them all the time now under load. There is still some magic in these old boats. Windburn took first in class, first in fleet ( pretty much the same ) and first corrected all boats in the Scotch Bonnet course. We had aspirations of line honors even against boats like the J/33, Jenneau 50 and C 115 but the aforementioned dead air at Scotch Bonnet killed our miles of lead over the fleet. So sail your C 30 hard, watch your VMG and trim constantly. It is not a OD where a computer has figured out the precise point to set everything, and anything even slightly off is slower. The 30-1 will handle way more sail area in a breeze than conventional wisdom will recommend. And have lots of fun! Michael Brown Windburn C 30-1 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:15:57 -0400 From: "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Message-ID: <000501d1e1bf$bc5dc4c0$35194e40$@atlanticbb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Recommend not to pinch, the boat seems to want to be free. Also, you should have inboard genoa tracks to help pointing, but need to sheet the genoa outboard for reaching. My tracks are about four feet aft of the shrouds, in line with them and are six feet long? I have adjustable cars (Garhauer) but use a snatch block on the rail when reaching. I set the rig tension on the medium to loose side, but race in mostly light air. Selection is a 155, 140, 110 ? all Dacron (had high tech but when they fail?they fail big and my budget didn?t fit getting new ones every four years). Gary #593 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steven Tattrie via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Steven Tattrie <steven.tatt...@gmail.com> Subject: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Hi, I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a C 30 MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the best out of the boat, eg tight rigging, rake, sail selection, strength or weaknesses specific to the 30 to stay competitive? I have been sailing for a couple decades so not looking for general sailing tips. I want to know what is best for the 30MK1 or hear from your experience what work best. I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch more or be more off the wind for speed? I seemed to be passed on reaching and running. FYI - we have about half a dozen 30 MK1 racing a couple redwings, a 32 and 35 MK1 racing. All C Stevetensions on
Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
I think he means One Design. On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:36 PM, RANDY via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Way to go Michael! > > One question: what did you mean by "OD" (in "It is not a OD where a > computer has figured out the precise point to set everything, and > anything even slightly off is slower"). > > Cheers, > Randy > > -- > *From: *"Michael Brown via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *To: *"cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Cc: *"Michael Brown" <m...@tkg.ca> > *Sent: *Tuesday, July 19, 2016 7:59:18 AM > *Subject: *Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing > > I am just back from 47 hours of racing a C 30-1, the Lake Ontario 300 > Scotch Bonnet course. We do the Double Handed Flying Sail class, and > carry both a symmetrical and asymmetrical spinnakers. > > As usual Lake Ontario presents a wide range of sailing conditions even > over 2 days, ranging from dead air for a couple of hours trying to round > Scotch Bonnet to 31 kts apparent on the nose coming in to the Niagara mark. > > The 30-1 seems to handle everything OK. Hard to summarize any specific > characteristics but as others have mentioned upgrade the rigging so you > can correctly trim the sails even under heavy load. Despite being 30' they > lines will load up a lot. I have the big boat harken main traveler with a > 4:1 primary sheet and a further 4:1 fine adjuster. I put on captive ball > genoa tracks this year and adjust them all the time now under load. > > There is still some magic in these old boats. Windburn took first in class, > first in fleet ( pretty much the same ) and first corrected all boats in > the > Scotch Bonnet course. We had aspirations of line honors even against > boats like the J/33, Jenneau 50 and C 115 but the aforementioned > dead air at Scotch Bonnet killed our miles of lead over the fleet. > > So sail your C 30 hard, watch your VMG and trim constantly. It is > not a OD where a computer has figured out the precise point to set > everything, and anything even slightly off is slower. The 30-1 will > handle way more sail area in a breeze than conventional wisdom > will recommend. > > And have lots of fun! > > Michael Brown > Windburn > C 30-1 > > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:15:57 -0400 > From: "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing > Message-ID: <000501d1e1bf$bc5dc4c0$35194e40$@atlanticbb.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Recommend not to pinch, the boat seems to want to be free. Also, you > should have inboard genoa tracks to help pointing, but need to sheet the > genoa outboard for reaching. My tracks are about four feet aft of the > shrouds, in line with them and are six feet long? I have adjustable cars > (Garhauer) but use a snatch block on the rail when reaching. I set the rig > tension on the medium to loose side, but race in mostly light air. > Selection is a 155, 140, 110 ? all Dacron (had high tech but when they > fail?they fail big and my budget didn?t fit getting new ones every four > years). > > Gary > > #593 > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steven > Tattrie via CnC-List > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 9:13 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Steven Tattrie <steven.tatt...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing > > Hi, > > I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a > C 30 MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the > best out of the boat, eg tight rigging, rake, sail selection, strength or > weaknesses specific to the 30 to stay competitive? I have been sailing for > a couple decades so not looking for general sailing tips. I want to know > what is best for the 30MK1 or hear from your experience what work best. > > I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch more or be more off > the wind for speed? I seemed to be passed on reaching and running. > > FYI - we have about half a dozen 30 MK1 racing a couple redwings, a 32 and > 35 MK1 racing. All C > > Stevetensions on > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
Way to go Michael! One question: what did you mean by "OD" (in " It is not a OD where a computer has figured out the precise point to set everything, and anything even slightly off is slower"). Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Michael Brown" <m...@tkg.ca> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 7:59:18 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing I am just back from 47 hours of racing a C 30-1, the Lake Ontario 300 Scotch Bonnet course. We do the Double Handed Flying Sail class, and carry both a symmetrical and asymmetrical spinnakers. As usual Lake Ontario presents a wide range of sailing conditions even over 2 days, ranging from dead air for a couple of hours trying to round Scotch Bonnet to 31 kts apparent on the nose coming in to the Niagara mark. The 30-1 seems to handle everything OK. Hard to summarize any specific characteristics but as others have mentioned upgrade the rigging so you can correctly trim the sails even under heavy load. Despite being 30' they lines will load up a lot. I have the big boat harken main traveler with a 4:1 primary sheet and a further 4:1 fine adjuster. I put on captive ball genoa tracks this year and adjust them all the time now under load. There is still some magic in these old boats. Windburn took first in class, first in fleet ( pretty much the same ) and first corrected all boats in the Scotch Bonnet course. We had aspirations of line honors even against boats like the J/33, Jenneau 50 and C 115 but the aforementioned dead air at Scotch Bonnet killed our miles of lead over the fleet. So sail your C 30 hard, watch your VMG and trim constantly. It is not a OD where a computer has figured out the precise point to set everything, and anything even slightly off is slower. The 30-1 will handle way more sail area in a breeze than conventional wisdom will recommend. And have lots of fun! Michael Brown Windburn C 30-1 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:15:57 -0400 From: "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Message-ID: <000501d1e1bf$bc5dc4c0$35194e40$@atlanticbb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Recommend not to pinch, the boat seems to want to be free. Also, you should have inboard genoa tracks to help pointing, but need to sheet the genoa outboard for reaching. My tracks are about four feet aft of the shrouds, in line with them and are six feet long? I have adjustable cars (Garhauer) but use a snatch block on the rail when reaching. I set the rig tension on the medium to loose side, but race in mostly light air. Selection is a 155, 140, 110 ? all Dacron (had high tech but when they fail?they fail big and my budget didn?t fit getting new ones every four years). Gary #593 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steven Tattrie via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Steven Tattrie <steven.tatt...@gmail.com> Subject: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Hi, I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a C 30 MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the best out of the boat, eg tight rigging, rake, sail selection, strength or weaknesses specific to the 30 to stay competitive? I have been sailing for a couple decades so not looking for general sailing tips. I want to know what is best for the 30MK1 or hear from your experience what work best. I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch more or be more off the wind for speed? I seemed to be passed on reaching and running. FYI - we have about half a dozen 30 MK1 racing a couple redwings, a 32 and 35 MK1 racing. All C Stevetensions on ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
I am just back from 47 hours of racing a C 30-1, the Lake Ontario 300 Scotch Bonnet course. We do the Double Handed Flying Sail class, and carry both a symmetrical and asymmetrical spinnakers. As usual Lake Ontario presents a wide range of sailing conditions even over 2 days, ranging from dead air for a couple of hours trying to round Scotch Bonnet to 31 kts apparent on the nose coming in to the Niagara mark. The 30-1 seems to handle everything OK. Hard to summarize any specific characteristics but as others have mentioned upgrade the rigging so you can correctly trim the sails even under heavy load. Despite being 30' they lines will load up a lot. I have the big boat harken main traveler with a 4:1 primary sheet and a further 4:1 fine adjuster. I put on captive ball genoa tracks this year and adjust them all the time now under load. There is still some magic in these old boats. Windburn took first in class, first in fleet ( pretty much the same ) and first corrected all boats in the Scotch Bonnet course. We had aspirations of line honors even against boats like the J/33, Jenneau 50 and C 115 but the aforementioned dead air at Scotch Bonnet killed our miles of lead over the fleet. So sail your C 30 hard, watch your VMG and trim constantly. It is not a OD where a computer has figured out the precise point to set everything, and anything even slightly off is slower. The 30-1 will handle way more sail area in a breeze than conventional wisdom will recommend. And have lots of fun! Michael Brown Windburn C 30-1 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:15:57 -0400 From: "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Message-ID: <000501d1e1bf$bc5dc4c0$35194e40$@atlanticbb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Recommend not to pinch, the boat seems to want to be free. Also, you should have inboard genoa tracks to help pointing, but need to sheet the genoa outboard for reaching. My tracks are about four feet aft of the shrouds, in line with them and are six feet long? I have adjustable cars (Garhauer) but use a snatch block on the rail when reaching. I set the rig tension on the medium to loose side, but race in mostly light air. Selection is a 155, 140, 110 ? all Dacron (had high tech but when they fail?they fail big and my budget didn?t fit getting new ones every four years). Gary #593 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steven Tattrie via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Steven Tattrie <steven.tatt...@gmail.com> Subject: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Hi, I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a C 30 MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the best out of the boat, eg tight rigging, rake, sail selection, strength or weaknesses specific to the 30 to stay competitive? I have been sailing for a couple decades so not looking for general sailing tips. I want to know what is best for the 30MK1 or hear from your experience what work best. I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch more or be more off the wind for speed? I seemed to be passed on reaching and running. FYI - we have about half a dozen 30 MK1 racing a couple redwings, a 32 and 35 MK1 racing. All C Stevetensions on ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
Recommend not to pinch, the boat seems to want to be free. Also, you should have inboard genoa tracks to help pointing, but need to sheet the genoa outboard for reaching. My tracks are about four feet aft of the shrouds, in line with them and are six feet long– I have adjustable cars (Garhauer) but use a snatch block on the rail when reaching. I set the rig tension on the medium to loose side, but race in mostly light air. Selection is a 155, 140, 110 – all Dacron (had high tech but when they fail…they fail big and my budget didn’t fit getting new ones every four years). Gary #593 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steven Tattrie via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Steven Tattrie <steven.tatt...@gmail.com> Subject: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Hi, I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a C 30 MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the best out of the boat, eg tight rigging, rake, sail selection, strength or weaknesses specific to the 30 to stay competitive? I have been sailing for a couple decades so not looking for general sailing tips. I want to know what is best for the 30MK1 or hear from your experience what work best. I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch more or be more off the wind for speed? I seemed to be passed on reaching and running. FYI - we have about half a dozen 30 MK1 racing a couple redwings, a 32 and 35 MK1 racing. All C Stevetensions on ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
The old rule of thumb is 3-6deg on the rudder angle. Whatever that translate into for your wheel arrangement. Seems to work well for me and I fly a 160%. I do carry a large bubble in the main, almost, but not quite, half backwinded.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL From: Steven Tattrie via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Steven Tattrie <steven.tatt...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 5:01 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Regarding in board tracks, don't have any. On my wish list. How much weather helm is normal; example heading into the wind 15K with 150% and main back winding some - I have about 1/4 turn on the wheel and perhaps more on the puffs. Steve C 30 mk1 BHYC Full Tilt ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Regarding in board tracks, don't have any. On my wish list. How much weather helm is normal; example heading into the wind 15K with 150% and main back winding some - I have about 1/4 turn on the wheel and perhaps more on the puffs. Steve C 30 mk1 BHYC Full Tilt ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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I sheet to the rail and still backwind the main.You must either backwind the
main a lot, or have a very flat cut.I find the extra speed is worth giving up a
little point.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL
From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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I have inboard tracks aft, outside the cockpit coamings. Where are yours
located fore and aft?
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Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
I have inboard tracks aft, outside the cockpit coamings. Where are yours located fore and aft? Thanks, Randy Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 17, 2016, at 8:18 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > One item which seems not to be mentioned in this thread is how you have your > genoas rigged. Do you have inboard genoa tracks, because the 30 won’t point > if you are still running the sheets to blocks on the rail. We have inboard > tracks and seem to point well. > > Gary > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick > Taillieu via CnC-List > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 8:09 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Rick Taillieu <rtaill...@eastlink.ca> > Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing > > Randy, > > I can’t comment on rig tuning for a 30 but for your 1-4 list here are a few > tips. > > 1 – Boat speed is very important. Going up wind keeping up your speed through > the water will allow the keel to generate lift. > 2 – Don’t pinch trying to outpoint the Catalinas. Don’t trim your genoa > closer than 4-6” from the spreader, the sail should never touch the spreader, > it will make you slow. > Do you have inboard tracks? If not still sheet inside the lifelines. I have a > tape marker on my spreaders 6” from the tip and use that as a trim gauge. > Catalina 27’s have a gift PHRF pretty much everywhere, I have to give them > time in my 25. > 3 – The key to boat handling is practice. Take your crew out on non race days > and practice starts, mark roundings and sail trim. I don’t know how many > crew you have but the helmsman should be concentrating on steering, the > trimmers in the sail trim and rail meat looking outside the boat for traffic, > gusts, lulls and shifts and passing them on to the rest of the crew. > 4 – Yes, the 30 is very stiff. That means you can carry full sail much longer > than other boats. One other point, how old are your sails? > Old sails will be slow and will never out point a boat with newer sails. > > Good Luck with your racing and keep at it > > Rick Taillieu > Nemesis > '75 C 25 #371 > Shearwater Yacht Club > Halifax, NS. > > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via > CnC-List > Sent: July-15-16 19:57 > To: cnc-list > Cc: RANDY; Steven Tattrie > Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing > > It's awesome that you have a half-dozen 30-1s racing in your club. You could > have your own little one-design fleet :) You must be somewhere on the Great > Lakes I'd guess. And your competition may be reading this email thread :) > > Regarding tuning the rig, I just followed the owner's manual. Centered > masthead side-to-side measuring with main halyard to rail, tightened upper > shrouds until turnbuckles were "hard to turn", tightened lowers to have an > inch of play. Set 8" rake with backstay adjuster (my backstay doesn't have a > turnbuckle) and with forestay turnbuckle "hard to turn" i.e. very little > headsail sag. > > Here's what I've found so far racing my new-to-me 30-1 in my club's > just-ended spring series (ten Wednesday nights). I raced in a non-spinnaker > PRHF division sailing triangle courses. My main competition is a couple of > Catalina 27s with folding props, rating 221, and much more experienced > skippers and crews. I have a fixed prop and 198 rating and crew of total > newbies. > > 1. Despite propeller differences, I can meet or beat their boat speed on > every point of sail under the right conditions: a) the wind has to be up > enough, say Beaufort 4, to overcome their displacement advantage of about a > ton; and b) my sails have to be optimally trimmed. The 30-1 has better SA/D > and D/L ratios than the Catalina 27, but it takes some wind to see those > advantages, and it takes good sail trim against experienced competition. > > 2. They can out-point me by maybe five degrees. I flew my 155% genoa all > series, because my rating doesn't account for my 170, and I never had a windy > enough night to drop back to the 135. I'll start pinching if I get closer > than say 40 degrees to the wind with the 155. > > 3. I'm getting beat on boat handling and tactics. Our maneuvers aren't sharp > enough yet, and I need to have consistently good starts and stay in clean air > more, and these skippers know the lake's wind patterns better than I do. > > 4. My 30-1 is stiff as hell. One night after a race the wind piped up to > Beaufort 6 and I hit 7.6 knots on beam/close reach, according to GPS, under > full main and 155, and I *still* didn't get a rail in the water (
Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
One item which seems not to be mentioned in this thread is how you have your genoas rigged. Do you have inboard genoa tracks, because the 30 won’t point if you are still running the sheets to blocks on the rail. We have inboard tracks and seem to point well. Gary From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Taillieu via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 8:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rick Taillieu <rtaill...@eastlink.ca> Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Randy, I can’t comment on rig tuning for a 30 but for your 1-4 list here are a few tips. 1 – Boat speed is very important. Going up wind keeping up your speed through the water will allow the keel to generate lift. 2 – Don’t pinch trying to outpoint the Catalinas. Don’t trim your genoa closer than 4-6” from the spreader, the sail should never touch the spreader, it will make you slow. Do you have inboard tracks? If not still sheet inside the lifelines. I have a tape marker on my spreaders 6” from the tip and use that as a trim gauge. Catalina 27’s have a gift PHRF pretty much everywhere, I have to give them time in my 25. 3 – The key to boat handling is practice. Take your crew out on non race days and practice starts, mark roundings and sail trim. I don’t know how many crew you have but the helmsman should be concentrating on steering, the trimmers in the sail trim and rail meat looking outside the boat for traffic, gusts, lulls and shifts and passing them on to the rest of the crew. 4 – Yes, the 30 is very stiff. That means you can carry full sail much longer than other boats. One other point, how old are your sails? Old sails will be slow and will never out point a boat with newer sails. Good Luck with your racing and keep at it Rick Taillieu Nemesis '75 C 25 #371 Shearwater Yacht Club Halifax, NS. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via CnC-List Sent: July-15-16 19:57 To: cnc-list Cc: RANDY; Steven Tattrie Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing It's awesome that you have a half-dozen 30-1s racing in your club. You could have your own little one-design fleet :) You must be somewhere on the Great Lakes I'd guess. And your competition may be reading this email thread :) Regarding tuning the rig, I just followed the owner's manual. Centered masthead side-to-side measuring with main halyard to rail, tightened upper shrouds until turnbuckles were "hard to turn", tightened lowers to have an inch of play. Set 8" rake with backstay adjuster (my backstay doesn't have a turnbuckle) and with forestay turnbuckle "hard to turn" i.e. very little headsail sag. Here's what I've found so far racing my new-to-me 30-1 in my club's just-ended spring series (ten Wednesday nights). I raced in a non-spinnaker PRHF division sailing triangle courses. My main competition is a couple of Catalina 27s with folding props, rating 221, and much more experienced skippers and crews. I have a fixed prop and 198 rating and crew of total newbies. 1. Despite propeller differences, I can meet or beat their boat speed on every point of sail under the right conditions: a) the wind has to be up enough, say Beaufort 4, to overcome their displacement advantage of about a ton; and b) my sails have to be optimally trimmed. The 30-1 has better SA/D and D/L ratios than the Catalina 27, but it takes some wind to see those advantages, and it takes good sail trim against experienced competition. 2. They can out-point me by maybe five degrees. I flew my 155% genoa all series, because my rating doesn't account for my 170, and I never had a windy enough night to drop back to the 135. I'll start pinching if I get closer than say 40 degrees to the wind with the 155. 3. I'm getting beat on boat handling and tactics. Our maneuvers aren't sharp enough yet, and I need to have consistently good starts and stay in clean air more, and these skippers know the lake's wind patterns better than I do. 4. My 30-1 is stiff as hell. One night after a race the wind piped up to Beaufort 6 and I hit 7.6 knots on beam/close reach, according to GPS, under full main and 155, and I *still* didn't get a rail in the water (very close though, within an inch or another degree of heel). Then my genoa tore :) She did want to round up under that much wind and sail, and I'd say weather helm requires attention and tuning by Beaufort 5. I decided to stay in the non-spinnaker fleet for the summer series. Just flew the spinnaker for the first time after the race this past Wednesday night, and my crew needs more practice with it. We had a pre-race crisis this week - main halyard jammed at masthead sheave - I was at the masthead in a bosun's chair unjamming it during my start sequence :) We managed to get the sails up just in time, but we were discombobulated and
Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
Thanks Rick. I have short inboard genoa car tracks outside the cockpit coamings. For the 155 I put the car all the way forward (about at the aft stanchion of the lifeline gate). The sheets pass through the lifeline gates. My sails are old. I'll get a new main next year, and a new headsail the year after that. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Rick Taillieu via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Rick Taillieu" <rtaill...@eastlink.ca> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 6:08:34 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Randy, I can’t comment on rig tuning for a 30 but for your 1-4 list here are a few tips. 1 – Boat speed is very important. Going up wind keeping up your speed through the water will allow the keel to generate lift. 2 – Don’t pinch trying to outpoint the Catalinas. Don’t trim your genoa closer than 4-6” from the spreader, the sail should never touch the spreader, it will make you slow. Do you have inboard tracks? If not still sheet inside the lifelines. I have a tape marker on my spreaders 6” from the tip and use that as a trim gauge. Catalina 27’s have a gift PHRF pretty much everywhere, I have to give them time in my 25. 3 – The key to boat handling is practice. Take your crew out on non race days and practice starts, mark roundings and sail trim. I don’t know how many crew you have but the helmsman should be concentrating on steering, the trimmers in the sail trim and rail meat looking outside the boat for traffic, gusts, lulls and shifts and passing them on to the rest of the crew. 4 – Yes, the 30 is very stiff. That means you can carry full sail much longer than other boats. One other point, how old are your sails? Old sails will be slow and will never out point a boat with newer sails. Good Luck with your racing and keep at it Rick Taillieu Nemesis '75 C 25 #371 Shearwater Yacht Club Halifax, NS. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via CnC-List Sent: July-15-16 19:57 To: cnc-list Cc: RANDY; Steven Tattrie Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing It's awesome that you have a half-dozen 30-1s racing in your club. You could have your own little one-design fleet :) You must be somewhere on the Great Lakes I'd guess. And your competition may be reading this email thread :) Regarding tuning the rig, I just followed the owner's manual. Centered masthead side-to-side measuring with main halyard to rail, tightened upper shrouds until turnbuckles were "hard to turn", tightened lowers to have an inch of play. Set 8" rake with backstay adjuster (my backstay doesn't have a turnbuckle) and with forestay turnbuckle "hard to turn" i.e. very little headsail sag. Here's what I've found so far racing my new-to-me 30-1 in my club's just-ended spring series (ten Wednesday nights). I raced in a non-spinnaker PRHF division sailing triangle courses. My main competition is a couple of Catalina 27s with folding props, rating 221, and much more experienced skippers and crews. I have a fixed prop and 198 rating and crew of total newbies. 1. Despite propeller differences, I can meet or beat their boat speed on every point of sail under the right conditions: a) the wind has to be up enough, say Beaufort 4, to overcome their displacement advantage of about a ton; and b) my sails have to be optimally trimmed. The 30-1 has better SA/D and D/L ratios than the Catalina 27, but it takes some wind to see those advantages, and it takes good sail trim against experienced competition. 2. They can out-point me by maybe five degrees. I flew my 155% genoa all series, because my rating doesn't account for my 170, and I never had a windy enough night to drop back to the 135. I'll start pinching if I get closer than say 40 degrees to the wind with the 155. 3. I'm getting beat on boat handling and tactics. Our maneuvers aren't sharp enough yet, and I need to have consistently good starts and stay in clean air more, and these skippers know the lake's wind patterns better than I do. 4. My 30-1 is stiff as hell. One night after a race the wind piped up to Beaufort 6 and I hit 7.6 knots on beam/close reach, according to GPS, under full main and 155, and I *still* didn't get a rail in the water (very close though, within an inch or another degree of heel). Then my genoa tore :) She did want to round up under that much wind and sail, and I'd say weather helm requires attention and tuning by Beaufort 5. I decided to stay in the non-spinnaker fleet for the summer series. Just flew the spinnaker for the first time after the race this past Wednesday night, and my crew needs more practice with it. We had a pre-race crisis this week - main halyard jammed at masthead sheave - I was at the masthead in a bosun's chair unj
Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
Hi Steven, "I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch more or be more off the wind for speed? I seemed to be passed on reaching and running" I don't sail a 30 but for pretty much any boat the pinch vs speed question the answer depends on the headsail you use, wind speed, chop, the shape of your sails, etc.. For example, my 150% can back-wind the main pretty badly on the higher end of its useful wind range compared to the 135 so it's a definite trade-off on speed vs point when the wind pipes up unexpectedly with the 150% up.. I'd say the best place to start is with your boat's polar graph. I made an enlarged / highlighted version of mine that includes the best angles for wind speeds listed out and that's plastic laminated / taped to my bulkhead. Unless the winds are very slight I usually point 8-10 degrees true less than what the polar graph says that seems to be the sweet spot for my setup. Except for the 150%, my sails are pretty much used-up so that might have something to do with it. Once you know the ballpark angle, the best way to tell is to compare your pointing / boat speed with your competitors and keep a very close eye on the windex / wind angle gauge, and even more importantly : The telltales on your genoa. I beat my nemesis (A modified Beneteau First 29 with fresh carbon sails) this Wednesday night by mostly out-pointing him and also because he missed a nice lift :-) As for the whole phrf thing ours is scored ToD and it seems to work fairly well.. Some boats seem to have a bit of an edge When we do everything right it seems we can beat pretty much anybody in our current class, even the Yoda on his Pearson 29 with a phrf of 213.. We have to finish a country mile ahead of him with our 105 phrf but it's do-able :-) Regards, -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
This is great info, I am new to this list and wasn't sure how it worked. I think I figured it out. I couldn't figure out how to search the archive. I sail out of Barrachois, Nova Scotia. BHYC club. ya it is getting pretty cool to have soo many C though I forgot about the Mirage, lol. I use to have a redline 25 that was easy to sail and in my opinion got to be one of the best boats built. got some material to read, thanks again Randy On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 7:57 PM, RANDY <randy.staff...@comcast.net> wrote: > It's awesome that you have a half-dozen 30-1s racing in your club. You > could have your own little one-design fleet :) You must be somewhere on > the Great Lakes I'd guess. And your competition may be reading this email > thread :) > > Regarding tuning the rig, I just followed the owner's manual. Centered > masthead side-to-side measuring with main halyard to rail, tightened upper > shrouds until turnbuckles were "hard to turn", tightened lowers to have an > inch of play. Set 8" rake with backstay adjuster (my backstay doesn't have > a turnbuckle) and with forestay turnbuckle "hard to turn" i.e. very little > headsail sag. > > Here's what I've found so far racing my new-to-me 30-1 in my club's > just-ended spring series (ten Wednesday nights). I raced in a > non-spinnaker PRHF division sailing triangle courses. My main > competition is a couple of Catalina 27s with folding props, rating 221, and > much more experienced skippers and crews. I have a fixed prop and 198 > rating and crew of total newbies. > > 1. Despite propeller differences, I can meet or beat their boat speed on > every point of sail under the right conditions: a) the wind has to be up > enough, say Beaufort 4, to overcome their displacement advantage of about a > ton; and b) my sails have to be optimally trimmed. The 30-1 has better > SA/D and D/L ratios than the Catalina 27, but it takes some wind to see > those advantages, and it takes good sail trim against experienced > competition. > > 2. They can out-point me by maybe five degrees. I flew my 155% genoa all > series, because my rating doesn't account for my 170, and I never had a > windy enough night to drop back to the 135. I'll start pinching if I get > closer than say 40 degrees to the wind with the 155. > > 3. I'm getting beat on boat handling and tactics. Our maneuvers aren't > sharp enough yet, and I need to have consistently good starts and stay in > clean air more, and these skippers know the lake's wind patterns better > than I do. > > 4. My 30-1 is stiff as hell. One night after a race the wind piped up to > Beaufort 6 and I hit 7.6 knots on beam/close reach, according to GPS, under > full main and 155, and I *still* didn't get a rail in the water (very close > though, within an inch or another degree of heel). Then my genoa tore :) > She did want to round up under that much wind and sail, and I'd > say weather helm requires attention and tuning by Beaufort 5. > > I decided to stay in the non-spinnaker fleet for the summer series. Just > flew the spinnaker for the first time after the race this past Wednesday > night, and my crew needs more practice with it. We had a pre-race crisis > this week - main halyard jammed at masthead sheave - I was at the masthead > in a bosun's chair unjamming it during my start sequence :) We managed to > get the sails up just in time, but we were discombobulated and this will be > our throw-out race for the summer series :) > > Cheers, > Randy > > -- > *From: *"Steven Tattrie via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *To: *"cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Cc: *"Steven Tattrie" <steven.tatt...@gmail.com> > *Sent: *Friday, July 15, 2016 7:13:00 AM > *Subject: *Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing > > Hi, > > I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a > C 30 MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the > best out of the boat, eg tight rigging, rake, sail selection, strength or > weaknesses specific to the 30 to stay competitive? I have been sailing for > a couple decades so not looking for general sailing tips. I want to know > what is best for the 30MK1 or hear from your experience what work best. > > I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch more or be more off > the wind for speed? I seemed to be passed on reaching and running. > > FYI - we have about half a dozen 30 MK1 racing a couple redwings, a 32 and > 35 MK1 racing. All C > > Steve > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
Randy, I can’t comment on rig tuning for a 30 but for your 1-4 list here are a few tips. 1 – Boat speed is very important. Going up wind keeping up your speed through the water will allow the keel to generate lift. 2 – Don’t pinch trying to outpoint the Catalinas. Don’t trim your genoa closer than 4-6” from the spreader, the sail should never touch the spreader, it will make you slow. Do you have inboard tracks? If not still sheet inside the lifelines. I have a tape marker on my spreaders 6” from the tip and use that as a trim gauge. Catalina 27’s have a gift PHRF pretty much everywhere, I have to give them time in my 25. 3 – The key to boat handling is practice. Take your crew out on non race days and practice starts, mark roundings and sail trim. I don’t know how many crew you have but the helmsman should be concentrating on steering, the trimmers in the sail trim and rail meat looking outside the boat for traffic, gusts, lulls and shifts and passing them on to the rest of the crew. 4 – Yes, the 30 is very stiff. That means you can carry full sail much longer than other boats. One other point, how old are your sails? Old sails will be slow and will never out point a boat with newer sails. Good Luck with your racing and keep at it Rick Taillieu Nemesis '75 C 25 #371 Shearwater Yacht Club Halifax, NS. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via CnC-List Sent: July-15-16 19:57 To: cnc-list Cc: RANDY; Steven Tattrie Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing It's awesome that you have a half-dozen 30-1s racing in your club. You could have your own little one-design fleet :) You must be somewhere on the Great Lakes I'd guess. And your competition may be reading this email thread :) Regarding tuning the rig, I just followed the owner's manual. Centered masthead side-to-side measuring with main halyard to rail, tightened upper shrouds until turnbuckles were "hard to turn", tightened lowers to have an inch of play. Set 8" rake with backstay adjuster (my backstay doesn't have a turnbuckle) and with forestay turnbuckle "hard to turn" i.e. very little headsail sag. Here's what I've found so far racing my new-to-me 30-1 in my club's just-ended spring series (ten Wednesday nights). I raced in a non-spinnaker PRHF division sailing triangle courses. My main competition is a couple of Catalina 27s with folding props, rating 221, and much more experienced skippers and crews. I have a fixed prop and 198 rating and crew of total newbies. 1. Despite propeller differences, I can meet or beat their boat speed on every point of sail under the right conditions: a) the wind has to be up enough, say Beaufort 4, to overcome their displacement advantage of about a ton; and b) my sails have to be optimally trimmed. The 30-1 has better SA/D and D/L ratios than the Catalina 27, but it takes some wind to see those advantages, and it takes good sail trim against experienced competition. 2. They can out-point me by maybe five degrees. I flew my 155% genoa all series, because my rating doesn't account for my 170, and I never had a windy enough night to drop back to the 135. I'll start pinching if I get closer than say 40 degrees to the wind with the 155. 3. I'm getting beat on boat handling and tactics. Our maneuvers aren't sharp enough yet, and I need to have consistently good starts and stay in clean air more, and these skippers know the lake's wind patterns better than I do. 4. My 30-1 is stiff as hell. One night after a race the wind piped up to Beaufort 6 and I hit 7.6 knots on beam/close reach, according to GPS, under full main and 155, and I *still* didn't get a rail in the water (very close though, within an inch or another degree of heel). Then my genoa tore :) She did want to round up under that much wind and sail, and I'd say weather helm requires attention and tuning by Beaufort 5. I decided to stay in the non-spinnaker fleet for the summer series. Just flew the spinnaker for the first time after the race this past Wednesday night, and my crew needs more practice with it. We had a pre-race crisis this week - main halyard jammed at masthead sheave - I was at the masthead in a bosun's chair unjamming it during my start sequence :) We managed to get the sails up just in time, but we were discombobulated and this will be our throw-out race for the summer series :) Cheers, Randy _ From: "Steven Tattrie via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Steven Tattrie" <steven.tatt...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 7:13:00 AM Subject: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Hi, I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a C 30 MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the best out of
Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
It's awesome that you have a half-dozen 30-1s racing in your club. You could have your own little one-design fleet :) You must be somewhere on the Great Lakes I'd guess. And your competition may be reading this email thread :) Regarding tuning the rig, I just followed the owner's manual. Centered masthead side-to-side measuring with main halyard to rail, tightened upper shrouds until turnbuckles were "hard to turn", tightened lowers to have an inch of play. Set 8" rake with backstay adjuster (my backstay doesn't have a turnbuckle) and with forestay turnbuckle "hard to turn" i.e. very little headsail sag. Here's what I've found so far racing my new-to-me 30-1 in my club's just-ended spring series (ten Wednesday nights). I raced in a non-spinnaker PRHF division sailing triangle courses. My main competition is a couple of Catalina 27s with folding props, rating 221, and much more experienced skippers and crews. I have a fixed prop and 198 rating and crew of total newbies. 1. Despite propeller differences, I can meet or beat their boat speed on every point of sail under the right conditions: a) t he wind has to be up enough, say Beaufort 4, to overcome their displacement advantage of about a ton; and b) my sails have to be optimally trimmed. The 30-1 has better SA/D and D/L ratios than the Catalina 27, but it takes some wind to see those advantages, and it takes good sail trim against experienced competition. 2. They can out-point me by maybe five degrees. I flew my 155% genoa all series, because my rating doesn't account for my 170, and I never had a windy enough night to drop back to the 135. I'll start pinching if I get closer than say 40 degrees to the wind with the 155. 3. I'm getting beat on boat handling and tactics. Our maneuvers aren't sharp enough yet, and I need to have consistently good starts and stay in clean air more, and these skippers know the lake's wind patterns better than I do. 4. My 30-1 is stiff as hell. One night after a race the wind piped up to Beaufort 6 and I hit 7.6 knots on beam/close reach, according to GPS, under full main and 155, and I *still* didn't get a rail in the water (very close though, within an inch or another degree of heel). Then my genoa tore :) She did want to round up under that much wind and sail, and I'd say weather helm requires attention and tuning by Beaufort 5. I decided to stay in the non-spinnaker fleet for the summer series. Just flew the spinnaker for the first time after the race this past Wednesday night, and my crew needs more practice with it. We had a pre-race crisis this week - main halyard jammed at masthead sheave - I was at the masthead in a bosun's chair unjamming it during my start sequence :) We managed to get the sails up just in time, but we were discombobulated and this will be our throw-out race for the summer series :) Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Steven Tattrie via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Steven Tattrie" <steven.tatt...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 7:13:00 AM Subject: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Hi, I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a C 30 MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the best out of the boat, eg tight rigging, rake, sail selection, strength or weaknesses specific to the 30 to stay competitive? I have been sailing for a couple decades so not looking for general sailing tips. I want to know what is best for the 30MK1 or hear from your experience what work best. I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch more or be more off the wind for speed? I seemed to be passed on reaching and running. FYI - we have about half a dozen 30 MK1 racing a couple redwings, a 32 and 35 MK1 racing. All C Steve ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
Hi Steve, Earlier this year I asked a number of questions about racing a 30-1, since I just bought one (hull #7) this year and started racing it. The good folks on this list were kind enough to share their wisdom with me. Here are links to the relevant threads in the email list archives: * http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2016-February/082562.html * http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2016-April/084180.html * http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2016-May/084680.html * http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2016-May/085167.html * http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2016-June/086296.html * http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2016-June/086391.html Incidentally you can search the archives via google by appending " site:cncphotoalbum.com" to your search string, e.g. "PHRF site:cncphotoalbum.com". But it's hard to come up with the right search terms sometimes, and google is not always up-to-date with the mail list archives. So you can manually browse them at http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/, e.g. view by thread for each month and scan the list of threads. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Steven Tattrie via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Steven Tattrie" <steven.tatt...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 7:13:00 AM Subject: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Hi, I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a C 30 MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the best out of the boat, eg tight rigging, rake, sail selection, strength or weaknesses specific to the 30 to stay competitive? I have been sailing for a couple decades so not looking for general sailing tips. I want to know what is best for the 30MK1 or hear from your experience what work best. I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch more or be more off the wind for speed? I seemed to be passed on reaching and running. FYI - we have about half a dozen 30 MK1 racing a couple redwings, a 32 and 35 MK1 racing. All C Steve ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
C 30 mark 1's will do relatively better when it is blowing. Don't miss the heavy air nights. I never thought mine did that well when I pinched. Best way to tell for sure to is look at your VMG with a GPS. Good Luck david On 2016-07-15 09:13 AM, Steven Tattrie via CnC-List wrote: Hi, I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a C 30 MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the best out of the boat, eg tight rigging, rake, sail selection, strength or weaknesses specific to the 30 to stay competitive? I have been sailing for a couple decades so not looking for general sailing tips. I want to know what is best for the 30MK1 or hear from your experience what work best. I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch more or be more off the wind for speed? I seemed to be passed on reaching and running. FYI - we have about half a dozen 30 MK1 racing a couple redwings, a 32 and 35 MK1 racing. All C Steve ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
Hi, I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a C 30 MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the best out of the boat, eg tight rigging, rake, sail selection, strength or weaknesses specific to the 30 to stay competitive? I have been sailing for a couple decades so not looking for general sailing tips. I want to know what is best for the 30MK1 or hear from your experience what work best. I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch more or be more off the wind for speed? I seemed to be passed on reaching and running. FYI - we have about half a dozen 30 MK1 racing a couple redwings, a 32 and 35 MK1 racing. All C Steve ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
