Re: Stus-List C 36 Kite Rigging
On my boat I have the foreguy (downhaul) attached to the end of the pole, and run it to a padeye just aft of the forestay. Rob is right about not being able to pull the pole forward with the lazy guy. If you trip the pole while going DDW, you can fly the spinnaker with both sheets while pulling the pole forward with the foreguy. Then, while sitting or standing between the forestay and the pulpit, attach the new guy to the pole, gybe the main, raise the pole on the new tack and steer toward your new target. You can have the foreguy attached to a bridle so that it pulls down from the middle of the pole. That make it easier to move the jib (genoa) to the other side of the boat which is necessary if you gybe the chute after dropping the jib. Having the downhaul attached to the end of the pole makes it available to grab so that you can use it to pull the pole forward, but it's a little more work moving the jib to the other side of the boat. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 5:52 AM, robert via CnC-List wrote: > I always pulled it down and towards me with the lazy guy > > Wrong, it is impossible do that with the lazy guy.on the 34R I always > pulled it down and towards me with the downhaul which was close to me > directly in front of the forestay as the downhaul was attached to the outer > end of the pole. On the 33 MKII, the pitman would release the topping > lift and pull down on the downhaul which would swing the pole down and > towards me.,,, ,downhaul was in the middle of the pole. > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > On 2018-06-08 6:13 PM, robert via CnC-List wrote: > >> Matt, >> I worked foredeck racing for +30 years on boats of sizes from 24' to >> 40'in my opinion, some boats the end for end is the way to go.other >> boats the dip pole jybe is the way to go.some people feel the dip jybe >> is too complicated, however, once you and your crew get the process >> choreographed, it is actually simpler, easier and safer than an end-for-end >> especially on a 36 footer that is mast head rigged. >> >> One tipmake sure the helmsman does not over-steer too quickly through >> the jybeso, if the pole is too far foreward before the guy is >> released/tripped we call it, , the jaw(s) are twisted on the guy and won't >> release easily before the actual jybe, bring the pole back 45 deg or more >> to make sure the trip of the pole goes smoothlythe jaw(s) won't be >> twisted on the guy, it will drop easilyhave the pit man pull it >> down or the foredeck person do it. I always pulled it down and towards me >> with the lazy guy...and I stayed in front of the forestay looking >> back..then have the helmsman steer until the chute is flying out >> directly in front of the boat..attached the lazy guytighten it up >> ...the jybe is made.now the helmsman can come up into the wind.The >> big mistake I have found doing a dip pole jybe is the helmsman steers >> through the jybe too quickly..the more you practice, the quicker and >> more precise you get, especially in a heavier wind.as a foredeck >> person, I would much rather do a dip pole jybe in a heavier wind than end >> for end. >> >> Rob Abbott >> AZURA >> C 32 - >> Halifax, N.S. >> >> On 2018-06-08 3:36 PM, Matt Knighton via CnC-List wrote: >> >>> Hey All, >>> Getting new running rigging on a recently purchased C 36. >>> >>> What does the brain trust recommend for gybing: dip pole or end-to-end? >>> >>> I.e. Can get away with only lite sheets or do we need guys as well? >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >>> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >>> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://urldefense.proofpoint. >>> com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.paypal.me_stumurray=DwIGaQ=cl >>> K7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI=9w3G7Cf8YfQnrjmt >>> uNxwDJYr3JMv9f1pAfgAJ9xXYQQ=MhwWrdPf_uuLKPSTazYCkbp0iXRlU3 >>> RkYm0ZN1XsB5E=tkUJYEBBBUQFIRe73EwH-nCzrgj54s2qwaTYVHdrYGk= >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://urldefense.proofpoint. >> com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.paypal.me_stumurray=DwIGaQ=cl >> K7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI=9w3G7Cf8YfQnrjmt >> uNxwDJYr3JMv9f1pAfgAJ9xXYQQ=MhwWrdPf_uuLKPSTazYCkbp0iXRlU3 >> RkYm0ZN1XsB5E=tkUJYEBBBUQFIRe73EwH-nCzrgj54s2qwaTYVHdrYGk= >> >> > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://urldefense. >
Re: Stus-List C 36 Kite Rigging
Regards, Mark Woehnker On Fri, Jun 8, 2018, 2:37 PM Matt Knighton via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hey All, > > Getting new running rigging on a recently purchased C 36. > > What does the brain trust recommend for gybing: dip pole or end-to-end? > > I.e. Can get away with only lite sheets or do we need guys as well? > > Many thanks, > > Matt > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List C 36 Kite Rigging
I always pulled it down and towards me with the lazy guy Wrong, it is impossible do that with the lazy guy.on the 34R I always pulled it down and towards me with the downhaul which was close to me directly in front of the forestay as the downhaul was attached to the outer end of the pole. On the 33 MKII, the pitman would release the topping lift and pull down on the downhaul which would swing the pole down and towards me.downhaul was in the middle of the pole. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2018-06-08 6:13 PM, robert via CnC-List wrote: Matt, I worked foredeck racing for +30 years on boats of sizes from 24' to 40'in my opinion, some boats the end for end is the way to go.other boats the dip pole jybe is the way to go.some people feel the dip jybe is too complicated, however, once you and your crew get the process choreographed, it is actually simpler, easier and safer than an end-for-end especially on a 36 footer that is mast head rigged. One tipmake sure the helmsman does not over-steer too quickly through the jybeso, if the pole is too far foreward before the guy is released/tripped we call it, , the jaw(s) are twisted on the guy and won't release easily before the actual jybe, bring the pole back 45 deg or more to make sure the trip of the pole goes smoothlythe jaw(s) won't be twisted on the guy, it will drop easilyhave the pit man pull it down or the foredeck person do it. I always pulled it down and towards me with the lazy guy...and I stayed in front of the forestay looking back..then have the helmsman steer until the chute is flying out directly in front of the boat..attached the lazy guytighten it up ...the jybe is made.now the helmsman can come up into the wind. The big mistake I have found doing a dip pole jybe is the helmsman steers through the jybe too quickly..the more you practice, the quicker and more precise you get, especially in a heavier wind.as a foredeck person, I would much rather do a dip pole jybe in a heavier wind than end for end. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - Halifax, N.S. On 2018-06-08 3:36 PM, Matt Knighton via CnC-List wrote: Hey All, Getting new running rigging on a recently purchased C 36. What does the brain trust recommend for gybing: dip pole or end-to-end? I.e. Can get away with only lite sheets or do we need guys as well? Many thanks, Matt ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List C 36 Kite Rigging
I've been doing dip pole gybes for years. On my present boat and on the Ericson 30 I had before this one. (That's almost forty-five years.) I use separate sheets and guys. Once you get your crew trained to do dip pose gybes, you'll be happy with how fast, and safe they are. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Matt Knighton via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hey All, > > Getting new running rigging on a recently purchased C 36. > > What does the brain trust recommend for gybing: dip pole or end-to-end? > > I.e. Can get away with only lite sheets or do we need guys as well? > > Many thanks, > > Matt > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://urldefense.proofpoint. > com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.paypal.me_stumurray=DwICAg= > clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI= > 9w3G7Cf8YfQnrjmtuNxwDJYr3JMv9f1pAfgAJ9xXYQQ= > WbP05psJoESyLiZ2MgvbvNFUbyxIv7ZseVC4gmCflL4=CRgYPYgh9h20hjBV_ > fo5EoSjRW0GAFWH37mM_hHYzc8= > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List C 36 Kite Rigging
Hi Matt Our former 36 was rigged for dip pole. Comment from last owner of the boat " yes it is dip pole for 2 reasons10 the pole is too heavy to end for end and 2) the length is too much for end to end because the spinnaker size would make it nearly impossible to push it all the way out in anything over 5kts, although if you wore a hockey helmet with a face guard one might give it a try." Enjoy. The 36 is a nice boat. Mike Formerly (a very long time ago 1980-90) Blue Horizon No.1 1981 C 36 Halifax, NS -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matt Knighton via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 3:37 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Matt Knighton Subject: Stus-List C 36 Kite Rigging Hey All, Getting new running rigging on a recently purchased C 36. What does the brain trust recommend for gybing: dip pole or end-to-end? I.e. Can get away with only lite sheets or do we need guys as well? Many thanks, Matt ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List C 36 Kite Rigging
I. too, am a recovering foredeck guy. Bob is right. The steersman is the key. It's important that the steersman, and the entire crew, thinking of gybing as "turning the boat under the chute". The chute simply flies it's way down the course while the boat zig zags under it. it's a subtle but significant difference as opposed to "bringing the chute across the boat". Dennis C. On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 4:13 PM, robert via CnC-List wrote: > Matt, > I worked foredeck racing for +30 years on boats of sizes from 24' to > 40'in my opinion, some boats the end for end is the way to go. > > One tipmake sure the helmsman does not over-steer too quickly through > the jybeop5tk, ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List C 36 Kite Rigging
Matt, I worked foredeck racing for +30 years on boats of sizes from 24' to 40'in my opinion, some boats the end for end is the way to go.other boats the dip pole jybe is the way to go.some people feel the dip jybe is too complicated, however, once you and your crew get the process choreographed, it is actually simpler, easier and safer than an end-for-end especially on a 36 footer that is mast head rigged. One tipmake sure the helmsman does not over-steer too quickly through the jybeso, if the pole is too far foreward before the guy is released/tripped we call it, , the jaw(s) are twisted on the guy and won't release easily before the actual jybe, bring the pole back 45 deg or more to make sure the trip of the pole goes smoothlythe jaw(s) won't be twisted on the guy, it will drop easilyhave the pit man pull it down or the foredeck person do it. I always pulled it down and towards me with the lazy guy...and I stayed in front of the forestay looking back..then have the helmsman steer until the chute is flying out directly in front of the boat..attached the lazy guytighten it up ...the jybe is made.now the helmsman can come up into the wind. The big mistake I have found doing a dip pole jybe is the helmsman steers through the jybe too quickly..the more you practice, the quicker and more precise you get, especially in a heavier wind.as a foredeck person, I would much rather do a dip pole jybe in a heavier wind than end for end. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - Halifax, N.S. On 2018-06-08 3:36 PM, Matt Knighton via CnC-List wrote: Hey All, Getting new running rigging on a recently purchased C 36. What does the brain trust recommend for gybing: dip pole or end-to-end? I.e. Can get away with only lite sheets or do we need guys as well? Many thanks, Matt ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List C 36 Kite Rigging
On a 36? Unless you have a carbon pole / The Incredible Hulk / or both on your foredeck: You gotta use Dip Pole and in anything more than a light breeze a full complement of fore / after guys As you know my boat is really a 36 footer and my spin is over 800 sq / ft. In addition to having specific ends my pole is big / long / heavy, and the loads are substantial. No flipping this one around. Have Fun! -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List C 36 Kite Rigging
Hi Matt Our boat is a masthead 33 footer (almost identical to 33-2 sail plan). We do end for end with just one set of sheets. In any breeze it takes two good sized crew to manhandle the pole during a gybe. Our friends 33-2 is rigged for dip pole (spin pole has different ends so can only do this). In light winds they would prefer end-for-end. We are contemplating running spate sheets and guys for anything much over 15 knots TWS in the future as that would make gybes much easier on foredeck crew. Your 36 is masthead and would have a lot more sail area so I would think separate sheets and guys are likely a very good idea. The 36 our family had growing up flew the spinnaker so rarely that I cannot recall how the pole was run but I would guess was dip pole. A friend had a 36 until two years ago. I will ask him how the boat was set up and get back to you. In fact he was the third owner of the same boat that we had new in 1981 Mike Persistence Halifax, NS -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matt Knighton via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 3:37 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Matt Knighton Subject: Stus-List C 36 Kite Rigging Hey All, Getting new running rigging on a recently purchased C 36. What does the brain trust recommend for gybing: dip pole or end-to-end? I.e. Can get away with only lite sheets or do we need guys as well? Many thanks, Matt ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List C 36 Kite Rigging
Hey All, Getting new running rigging on a recently purchased C 36. What does the brain trust recommend for gybing: dip pole or end-to-end? I.e. Can get away with only lite sheets or do we need guys as well? Many thanks, Matt ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
