Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models
I would always feel good about a LF38 :) IMHO one of the best offshore boats CC ever made. The layout is fantastic for the on-watch to get below for navigation or whatever and still have the main cabin closed off for the off-watch. OTOH my boat, while being the old school design, would not win an award for being dry or comfy pounding to windward in 12 foot seas as we found out. Fast yes - relaxing no. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 4:42 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models Jimmy - thanks, now I feel better about my boat with respect to that $29,000 CC40 mentioned earlier... :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Jimmy Kelly kellyjimmy...@gmail.commailto:kellyjimmy...@gmail.com wrote: landfall 38...little slower under sail ..not as close winded but good offshore boats... ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to
Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave to, but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions next summer. Can you describe the details of getting into this state and staying there? What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is simple in high winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always lurking nearby. Thanks- DaveOn Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote:I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable, either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat...Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove to, relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea under the dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to be an overly (physically) strenuous endeavor. AndyCC 40Peregrine David KnechtAries1990 CC 34+New London, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to
Years ago I had an offshore sailing program called Adventure Sailing that was dedicated to teaching people how to sail offshore successfully. (Will, from US Watercraft, who chimes in here occasionally was helping me for many of those trips.) One of the main objectives was stopping people from calling the Coasties to pull them off their boats when the wind topped 35 knots and they got tired, scared, and seasick. One of the best way to do that is to stop and wait for bad weather to go away...as it always does. And one of the best ways to stop is to heave to. You don't need to be in extreme conditions for this to work. And in the delivery business, where the object is to get your clients' boats to their destination with a minimum of wear and tear, heaving to is often the better part of valour. here's an article I wrote on the subject: http://www.cruisingworld.com/how-to/seamanship/smart-times-for-heaving-to And another by Andy Schell: http://www.sailmagazine.com/boat-handling/cruising-tips-heaving Lin Pardy has a good article in her book, Storm Tactics, about heaving to using a storm trysail and a sea anchor. I am not a fan of trailing a sea anchor off the bow on boats like ours due to the strain on the rudder as the boat is hurled backwards by the seas. It is certainly possible and practical to heave to in lighter airs. When you're singlehanded or with a non sailor, it is a good way to stop and use the head or make a cuppa, or well, I remember sailing in 10 knots of breeze off Victoria with a lovely red-haired girl on my Dad's CC 27... Anyway, take a look at the articles and if you still have questions, let me know. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:19 AM, David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave to, but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions next summer. Can you describe the details of getting into this state and staying there? What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is simple in high winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always lurking nearby. Thanks- Dave On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable, either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat... Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove to, relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea under the dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to be an overly (physically) strenuous endeavor. Andy CC 40 Peregrine David Knecht Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 pastedGraphic.tiff___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to
Heaving to is pretty easy to practice. Tack but don't let the jib sheet go. On the new tack turn the wheel to windward. The rudder is trying to head you up and the backwinded jib is doing the opposite, so the boat kind of just sits there. Useful for making lunch or taking a dump if you have no autopilot. I have never tried it in really bad weather though. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:20 AM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave to, but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions next summer. Can you describe the details of getting into this state and staying there? What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is simple in high winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always lurking nearby. Thanks- Dave On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.commailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable, either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat... Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove to, relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea under the dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to be an overly (physically) strenuous endeavor. Andy CC 40 Peregrine David Knecht Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT [cid:image001.png@01CF2256.83CB3BE0] inline: image001.png___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to
Andy — you scoundrel, you… :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 5, 2014, at 8:39 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I remember sailing in 10 knots of breeze off Victoria with a lovely red-haired girl on my Dad's CC 27... ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to
Very practical, Joe, but. no offence. I think we all like Andrew's scenario better. Rick Brass From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:42 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to Heaving to is pretty easy to practice. Tack but don't let the jib sheet go. On the new tack turn the wheel to windward. The rudder is trying to head you up and the backwinded jib is doing the opposite, so the boat kind of just sits there. Useful for making lunch or taking a dump if you have no autopilot. I have never tried it in really bad weather though. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:20 AM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave to, but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions next summer. Can you describe the details of getting into this state and staying there? What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is simple in high winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always lurking nearby. Thanks- Dave On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable, either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat... Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove to, relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea under the dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to be an overly (physically) strenuous endeavor. Andy CC 40 Peregrine David Knecht Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT image001.png___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to
I never had luck or need to be hove-to myself till last spring when a broken fuel gage left us without engine propulsion. The Chesapeake was pretty rough by bay standards. High frequency 6-10 foot breakers and 20-25kts wind. We had been running up the shore and, given time, would have been pushed into the shallows. We decided being adrift was poor form especially in the shipping channel despite it's conciderable width. So, we gained steerage and began making way by unfurling the headsail and managed to work the main up into a double reaf through a series of coordinated pinches into the wind. Despite no immediate danger we decided that any attempts to make it up the narrow river for the nearest refueling, under sail alone, was going to be extremely challenging at best. We finally gave in and called BoatUS for a fuel delivery. After 1-2 hours and repeated phone calls for updated position, the fuel guy finally says, You gotta slow down! You must be goin' 7kts. I'm only going 8 in this little 22 foot boat. I'm getting beat up out here. I can see ya but I can't catch ya! Sure enough directly to our stern there was a tiny glint on the horizon that was occasionally emphasized by an explosion of water. We immediately turned around and within what seemed like 5 minutes we were within hand signal range. We performed our less than practiced hove-to, not really knowing for sure how well behaved the boat would be. The fuel guy had fenders out and expertly maneuvered his boat to ours. Without ever touching boats he was twice able to get close enough to pass a mooring line tied to a 5 gallon jug. We pulled them aboard, fuelled up and motored 5 hours to our originally planned anchorage, finally stopping around midnight. In the morning we topped up by adding about 35 gallons to our 40 gallon tank. In the end I have quite a bit of confidence in being able to perform the maneuver effortlessly if needed. The boat makes me look good. All that being said the one thing that can go wrong is having two much headsail compared to main sail. Every time you think you have it the nose will keep drifting further and ruther to weather and soon you are downwind and have to watch for a jibe or possibly worse just crosswind and getting blown over. I prefer to keep my headsail off the mast so roller reafing till the clew is even with the mast is one of my first steps. A european sailing magazine I was reading actually advised that a hove-to manuver should be the first thing you do for a MOB. The boat stops almost on a dime and will start slowing backing down on the victim. If unable to reach the victim in this manner then straighten the wheel, release the headsail sheet and finish the tack. Once making way again any of your traditional rescue manuvers can be performed (circle, figure 8, etc...) Good luck and may all if us find ourselves needing to hove-to for a redhead. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk Solomons, MD On Feb 5, 2014 9:20 AM, David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave to, but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions next summer. Can you describe the details of getting into this state and staying there? What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is simple in high winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always lurking nearby. Thanks- Dave On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable, either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat... Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove to, relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea under the dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to be an overly (physically) strenuous endeavor. Andy CC 40 Peregrine David Knecht Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com pastedGraphic.tiff___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to
Did it about 60 miles off of Bermuda in a gale (30+ knots) in short choppy seas. Had the # 3 up and double reefed main. We were bashing our way in when we had to chill things out a bit for a sick passenger. All we did was tack without releasing the jib sheet. Settled right down. You think the weather was turned off. Rather pleasant actually. I wish I knew this trick when I was 17 and with a blonde on my father's 24'. Had the boat doing circles (kind of) and almost ran over a clammer. Woops. Life was good if your Dad had a sailboat with a cabin. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:17:21 -0500 From: muckl...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to I never had luck or need to be hove-to myself till last spring when a broken fuel gage left us without engine propulsion. The Chesapeake was pretty rough by bay standards. High frequency 6-10 foot breakers and 20-25kts wind. We had been running up the shore and, given time, would have been pushed into the shallows. We decided being adrift was poor form especially in the shipping channel despite it's conciderable width. So, we gained steerage and began making way by unfurling the headsail and managed to work the main up into a double reaf through a series of coordinated pinches into the wind. Despite no immediate danger we decided that any attempts to make it up the narrow river for the nearest refueling, under sail alone, was going to be extremely challenging at best. We finally gave in and called BoatUS for a fuel delivery. After 1-2 hours and repeated phone calls for updated position, the fuel guy finally says, You gotta slow down! You must be goin' 7kts. I'm only going 8 in this little 22 foot boat. I'm getting beat up out here. I can see ya but I can't catch ya! Sure enough directly to our stern there was a tiny glint on the horizon that was occasionally emphasized by an explosion of water. We immediately turned around and within what seemed like 5 minutes we were within hand signal range. We performed our less than practiced hove-to, not really knowing for sure how well behaved the boat would be. The fuel guy had fenders out and expertly maneuvered his boat to ours. Without ever touching boats he was twice able to get close enough to pass a mooring line tied to a 5 gallon jug. We pulled them aboard, fuelled up and motored 5 hours to our originally planned anchorage, finally stopping around midnight. In the morning we topped up by adding about 35 gallons to our 40 gallon tank. In the end I have quite a bit of confidence in being able to perform the maneuver effortlessly if needed. The boat makes me look good. All that being said the one thing that can go wrong is having two much headsail compared to main sail. Every time you think you have it the nose will keep drifting further and ruther to weather and soon you are downwind and have to watch for a jibe or possibly worse just crosswind and getting blown over. I prefer to keep my headsail off the mast so roller reafing till the clew is even with the mast is one of my first steps. A european sailing magazine I was reading actually advised that a hove-to manuver should be the first thing you do for a MOB. The boat stops almost on a dime and will start slowing backing down on the victim. If unable to reach the victim in this manner then straighten the wheel, release the headsail sheet and finish the tack. Once making way again any of your traditional rescue manuvers can be performed (circle, figure 8, etc...) Good luck and may all if us find ourselves needing to hove-to for a redhead. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk Solomons, MD On Feb 5, 2014 9:20 AM, David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Andy- I have never been in a situation where I feel the need to heave to, but I feel like I want to practice it in less than extreme conditions next summer. Can you describe the details of getting into this state and staying there? What I have read sounds simple, but I doubt anything is simple in high winds and 12 foot seas and that detail devil is always lurking nearby. Thanks- Dave On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I once took a Swan 651 to weather in 12 foot seas. It wasn't comfortable, either. I think you'd need a pretty big boat... Usually, if I have 12 foot seas on the nose (and I'm not racing), I'm hove to, relaxing and waiting for the wind to shift, while I have a cuppa tea under the dodger, watching the scenery roll by. Life at sea doesn't have to be an overly (physically) strenuous endeavor. Andy CC 40 Peregrine David KnechtAries1990 CC 34+New London, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to
Another good reason to roll the headsail in enough to clear the mast is to prevent a spreader from poking a hole in the sail. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 12:17 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to .. All that being said the one thing that can go wrong is having two much headsail compared to main sail. . I prefer to keep my headsail off the mast so roller reafing till the clew is even with the mast is one of my first steps. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to
Yes it was :) You do have to make sure your friends don't go on with remember when you and. stories with your wife around though. Danger of having the same boat since 1977 I guess. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 1:28 PM To: CNC CNC Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models- now heaving to I wish I knew this trick when I was 17 and with a blonde on my father's 24'. Had the boat doing circles (kind of) and almost ran over a clammer. Woops. Life was good if your Dad had a sailboat with a cabin. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models
the rob ball designed 41 is great boat looks...interior but not a great offshore cruiser...not much fun in bigger offshore chop...,will take it but crew will be very uncomfortable.if i were beginning long offshore cruising destinations ..would look for cnc designed newport 41s ...whitby 45 ..cnc design...redline 41...these boats all cuthbertson inspired designs...not built for any particular racing rulebut rather fast ,close winded...good load carrying ability..all raced successfully ..under cca rule,ior 1,ior 23a...but also hulls dont pound in rough seas..very dry upwind sailing...as to things like ventilation etc various owners have used AH offshore opening ports...low diesel engine required especially if repowered by newer high torque engines...giving long range motor cruising...but you will probably actually sail these models more than motorthese boats come up for sale ..just keep looking... or go simple routelandfall 38...little slower under sail ..not as close winded but good offshore boats...a number of these models can be flatbed road shipped without escorts or over height restrictionsmy experience would rate land fall 38 42s over ontario 38 a cnc cuthbert design...although it appeared to sail well when new... ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models
Jimmy — thanks, now I feel better about my boat with respect to that $29,000 CC40 mentioned earlier… :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Jimmy Kelly kellyjimmy...@gmail.com wrote: landfall 38...little slower under sail ..not as close winded but good offshore boats... ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
