Re: Stus-List CC24
It is a barber hauler, but you have to have something to attach it to that
is closer to the cabin, thus a hole or ring, or something.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Leslie Paal via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
To: Ed Dooley edoo...@madriver.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24
You can always use an extra line to narrow the sheeting angle (the name
escapes me at the moment).
Leslie
was Navigo 2 (CC25)
On Wed, 2/4/15, Ed Dooley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2015, 1:44 PM
Good
point. I'm a cruiser, but when my friend pulls up next
to me egging me on to race, it would be nice to
haveone more edge in my
favor.Ed
From: Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net
Date:
Wed, 4 Feb 2015 16:22:54 -0500
To: Ed Dooley edoo...@madriver.com,
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject:
Re: Stus-List CC24
The only suggestion I would have is to
consider
genoa tracks. The reason is our CC's are rather
'fat' boats and sheeting
the genoa to the toe rail gives us a wider than optimum
sheeting angle for the
genoa. When I got my 30-1, I (had been to a couple of
seminars and was loaded??
with knowledge) I calculated the sheeting angle for the
genoa was about
12-13 degrees and my impressive knowledge suggested it
should be around 10-11.
Thus, tracks. This gives you the opportunity to unhook the
genoa and run it back
to the rail when you want the best angle for reaching, thus
increasing the tasks
you can get your faithful crew to do. If you are cruising and are not
dedicated to
the
highest possible pointing angle, then disregard the above.
If not, then drill a
bunch of leaky holes in your deck and have the drips come
down
inside... Gary
- Original Message -
From:
Ed Dooley
via CnC-List
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wednesday,
February 04, 2015 3:54
PM
Subject: Re:
Stus-List CC24
My shins agree with the last comment. I have a
CC24, but don't know
what might be different from the original.
Halyards to winches on the cabin top at the cockpit,
no genoa track (but
simple to adjust for whatever foresail I choose with
blocks clipped in to 2
or so increments in the aluminum toe-rail.
One improvement (I don't think they were
original, but who knows?) are
the Barient self-tailing winches for the main sheets (nice
improvement!).
Teak grab rail on the cabin, split back stay with
adjuster, home-made
boom vang (not well thought out by previous owner). From
the brochures
on
Stu's site http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/
it looks
like, as Chris said, the early models had halyards to mast
base, not so on
later models where they go to winches on the cabin top, at
the cockpit.
Ed
From: Marek Dziedzic dziedzi...@hotmail.com
Date:
Wed, 4 Feb 2015 15:21:48 -0500
To: 'Hoyt,
Mike' mike.h...@impgroup.com,
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject:
Re: Stus-List CC24
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One
of the big improvements was the change from the main
sheeting to the cabin top
(without the traveller) to a traveller in the cockpit.
That change improved
dramatically trimming of the main, even if some complained
that the traveller
was getting in the way of getting into the companion
way.
There
was a good picture on the boat for sail in BC (?) just a
week or so
ago.
Marek
(ex.
CC 24 Fennel)
From:
CnC-List
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
Sent: February-04-15
14:28
To: chris hulett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject:
Re: Stus-List CC24
Did
you take pictures prior to stripping off
Re: Stus-List CC24
Barber hauler
Joel
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Leslie Paal via CnC-List
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
You can always use an extra line to narrow the sheeting angle (the name
escapes me at the moment).
Leslie
was Navigo 2 (CC25)
On Wed, 2/4/15, Ed Dooley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2015, 1:44 PM
Good
point. I'm a cruiser, but when my friend pulls up next
to me egging me on to race, it would be nice to
haveone more edge in my
favor.Ed
From: Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net
Date:
Wed, 4 Feb 2015 16:22:54 -0500
To: Ed Dooley edoo...@madriver.com,
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject:
Re: Stus-List CC24
The only suggestion I would have is to
consider
genoa tracks. The reason is our CC's are rather
'fat' boats and sheeting
the genoa to the toe rail gives us a wider than optimum
sheeting angle for the
genoa. When I got my 30-1, I (had been to a couple of
seminars and was loaded??
with knowledge) I calculated the sheeting angle for the
genoa was about
12-13 degrees and my impressive knowledge suggested it
should be around 10-11.
Thus, tracks. This gives you the opportunity to unhook the
genoa and run it back
to the rail when you want the best angle for reaching, thus
increasing the tasks
you can get your faithful crew to do. If you are cruising and are not
dedicated to
the
highest possible pointing angle, then disregard the above.
If not, then drill a
bunch of leaky holes in your deck and have the drips come
down
inside... Gary
- Original Message -
From:
Ed Dooley
via CnC-List
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wednesday,
February 04, 2015 3:54
PM
Subject: Re:
Stus-List CC24
My shins agree with the last comment. I have a
CC24, but don't know
what might be different from the original.
Halyards to winches on the cabin top at the cockpit,
no genoa track (but
simple to adjust for whatever foresail I choose with
blocks clipped in to 2
or so increments in the aluminum toe-rail.
One improvement (I don't think they were
original, but who knows?) are
the Barient self-tailing winches for the main sheets (nice
improvement!).
Teak grab rail on the cabin, split back stay with
adjuster, home-made
boom vang (not well thought out by previous owner). From
the brochures
on
Stu's site http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/
it looks
like, as Chris said, the early models had halyards to mast
base, not so on
later models where they go to winches on the cabin top, at
the cockpit.
Ed
From: Marek Dziedzic dziedzi...@hotmail.com
Date:
Wed, 4 Feb 2015 15:21:48 -0500
To: 'Hoyt,
Mike' mike.h...@impgroup.com,
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject:
Re: Stus-List CC24
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One
of the big improvements was the change from the main
sheeting to the cabin top
(without the traveller) to a traveller in the cockpit.
That change improved
dramatically trimming of the main, even if some complained
that the traveller
was getting in the way of getting into the companion
way.
There
was a good picture on the boat for sail in BC (?) just a
week or so
ago.
Marek
(ex.
CC 24 Fennel)
From:
CnC-List
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
Sent: February-04-15
14:28
To: chris hulett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject:
Re: Stus-List CC24
Re: Stus-List CC24
You can always use an extra line to narrow the sheeting angle (the name escapes
me at the moment).
Leslie
was Navigo 2 (CC25)
On Wed, 2/4/15, Ed Dooley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2015, 1:44 PM
Good
point. I'm a cruiser, but when my friend pulls up next
to me egging me on to race, it would be nice to
haveone more edge in my
favor.Ed
From: Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net
Date:
Wed, 4 Feb 2015 16:22:54 -0500
To: Ed Dooley edoo...@madriver.com,
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject:
Re: Stus-List CC24
The only suggestion I would have is to
consider
genoa tracks. The reason is our CC's are rather
'fat' boats and sheeting
the genoa to the toe rail gives us a wider than optimum
sheeting angle for the
genoa. When I got my 30-1, I (had been to a couple of
seminars and was loaded??
with knowledge) I calculated the sheeting angle for the
genoa was about
12-13 degrees and my impressive knowledge suggested it
should be around 10-11.
Thus, tracks. This gives you the opportunity to unhook the
genoa and run it back
to the rail when you want the best angle for reaching, thus
increasing the tasks
you can get your faithful crew to do. If you are cruising and are not
dedicated to
the
highest possible pointing angle, then disregard the above.
If not, then drill a
bunch of leaky holes in your deck and have the drips come
down
inside... Gary
- Original Message -
From:
Ed Dooley
via CnC-List
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wednesday,
February 04, 2015 3:54
PM
Subject: Re:
Stus-List CC24
My shins agree with the last comment. I have a
CC24, but don't know
what might be different from the original.
Halyards to winches on the cabin top at the cockpit,
no genoa track (but
simple to adjust for whatever foresail I choose with
blocks clipped in to 2
or so increments in the aluminum toe-rail.
One improvement (I don't think they were
original, but who knows?) are
the Barient self-tailing winches for the main sheets (nice
improvement!).
Teak grab rail on the cabin, split back stay with
adjuster, home-made
boom vang (not well thought out by previous owner). From
the brochures
on
Stu's site http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/
it looks
like, as Chris said, the early models had halyards to mast
base, not so on
later models where they go to winches on the cabin top, at
the cockpit.
Ed
From: Marek Dziedzic dziedzi...@hotmail.com
Date:
Wed, 4 Feb 2015 15:21:48 -0500
To: 'Hoyt,
Mike' mike.h...@impgroup.com,
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject:
Re: Stus-List CC24
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One
of the big improvements was the change from the main
sheeting to the cabin top
(without the traveller) to a traveller in the cockpit.
That change improved
dramatically trimming of the main, even if some complained
that the traveller
was getting in the way of getting into the companion
way.
There
was a good picture on the boat for sail in BC (?) just a
week or so
ago.
Marek
(ex.
CC 24 Fennel)
From:
CnC-List
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
Sent: February-04-15
14:28
To: chris hulett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject:
Re: Stus-List CC24
Did
you take pictures prior to stripping off the hardware?
Some of the added hardware may be a big improvement on the
original as many of
the older CCs came with hayards led to mast base, no
boom
Re: Stus-List CC24
I had a CC 24 and added genoa tracks inboard. I put and aluminum bar underneath and epoxied all holes. Worked well. If I were to do it now I would use setup on my 27V and put short tracks on the coaming. You can also add a traveler across the seats. Jerry CC 27mkV JJ. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC24
Did you take pictures prior to stripping off the hardware? Some of the added hardware may be a big improvement on the original as many of the older CCs came with hayards led to mast base, no boom vang, no backstay adjuster, no genoa tracks etc and many boats have been upgraded to run lines to cockpit and added very necessary sail and rig trim adjustments Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of chris hulett via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CC24 I have a CC24 that I recently purchased and it needs a lot of work.I have striped everything off of the deck and in the process of fixing all the fiberglass , when I've finished I will start installing all the deck hardware and lines, it looks like over the years the boat owners have added extra hardware . I'm wanting to get this boat back to original hardwsre and lines , so if anyone has pictures of how a CC 24 should rig I wold live to see them. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC24
I have a CC24 that I recently purchased and it needs a lot of work.I have striped everything off of the deck and in the process of fixing all the fiberglass , when I've finished I will start installing all the deck hardware and lines, it looks like over the years the boat owners have added extra hardware . I'm wanting to get this boat back to original hardwsre and lines , so if anyone has pictures of how a CC 24 should rig I wold live to see them. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC24
Good point. I'm a cruiser, but when my friend pulls up next to me egging me on to race, it would be nice to have one more edge in my favor. Ed From: Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 16:22:54 -0500 To: Ed Dooley edoo...@madriver.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24 The only suggestion I would have is to consider genoa tracks. The reason is our CC's are rather 'fat' boats and sheeting the genoa to the toe rail gives us a wider than optimum sheeting angle for the genoa. When I got my 30-1, I (had been to a couple of seminars and was loaded?? with knowledge) I calculated the sheeting angle for the genoa was about 12-13 degrees and my impressive knowledge suggested it should be around 10-11. Thus, tracks. This gives you the opportunity to unhook the genoa and run it back to the rail when you want the best angle for reaching, thus increasing the tasks you can get your faithful crew to do. If you are cruising and are not dedicated to the highest possible pointing angle, then disregard the above. If not, then drill a bunch of leaky holes in your deck and have the drips come down inside... Gary - Original Message - From: Ed Dooley via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:54 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24 My shins agree with the last comment. I have a CC24, but don't know what might be different from the original. Halyards to winches on the cabin top at the cockpit, no genoa track (but simple to adjust for whatever foresail I choose with blocks clipped in to 2 or so increments in the aluminum toe-rail. One improvement (I don't think they were original, but who knows?) are the Barient self-tailing winches for the main sheets (nice improvement!). Teak grab rail on the cabin, split back stay with adjuster, home-made boom vang (not well thought out by previous owner). From the brochures on Stu's site http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ it looks like, as Chris said, the early models had halyards to mast base, not so on later models where they go to winches on the cabin top, at the cockpit. Ed From: Marek Dziedzic dziedzi...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 15:21:48 -0500 To: 'Hoyt, Mike' mike.h...@impgroup.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24 One of the big improvements was the change from the main sheeting to the cabin top (without the traveller) to a traveller in the cockpit. That change improved dramatically trimming of the main, even if some complained that the traveller was getting in the way of getting into the companion way. There was a good picture on the boat for sail in BC (?) just a week or so ago. Marek (ex. CC 24 Fennel) From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: February-04-15 14:28 To: chris hulett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24 Did you take pictures prior to stripping off the hardware? Some of the added hardware may be a big improvement on the original as many of the older CCs came with hayards led to mast base, no boom vang, no backstay adjuster, no genoa tracks etc and many boats have been upgraded to run lines to cockpit and added very necessary sail and rig trim adjustments Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of chris hulett via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CC24 I have a CC24 that I recently purchased and it needs a lot of work.I have striped everything off of the deck and in the process of fixing all the fiberglass , when I've finished I will start installing all the deck hardware and lines, it looks like over the years the boat owners have added extra hardware . I'm wanting to get this boat back to original hardwsre and lines , so if anyone has pictures of how a CC 24 should rig I wold live to see them. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC24
Yes I did take pictures of all rigging , i see what you are saying . Thank you for your help. I will look at the pictures from a week ago . On Wednesday, February 4, 2015, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: One of the big improvements was the change from the main sheeting to the cabin top (without the traveller) to a traveller in the cockpit. That change improved dramatically trimming of the main, even if some complained that the traveller was getting in the way of getting into the companion way. There was a good picture on the boat for sail in BC (?) just a week or so ago. Marek (ex. CC 24 Fennel) *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com');] *On Behalf Of *Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List *Sent:* February-04-15 14:28 *To:* chris hulett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CC24 Did you take pictures prior to stripping off the hardware? Some of the added hardware may be a big improvement on the original as many of the older CCs came with hayards led to mast base, no boom vang, no backstay adjuster, no genoa tracks etc and many boats have been upgraded to run lines to cockpit and added very necessary sail and rig trim adjustments Mike *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com');] *On Behalf Of *chris hulett via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:20 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); *Subject:* Stus-List CC24 I have a CC24 that I recently purchased and it needs a lot of work.I have striped everything off of the deck and in the process of fixing all the fiberglass , when I've finished I will start installing all the deck hardware and lines, it looks like over the years the boat owners have added extra hardware . I'm wanting to get this boat back to original hardwsre and lines , so if anyone has pictures of how a CC 24 should rig I wold live to see them. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Chris If you can post pics to a photo sharing location and then post the location on this list you will get a lot of helpful suggestions on what to keep and what to discard. It seems you are already on the right track Congratulations on the boat Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of chris hulett via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 4:28 PM To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24 Yes I did take pictures of all rigging , i see what you are saying . Thank you for your help. I will look at the pictures from a week ago . On Wednesday, February 4, 2015, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: One of the big improvements was the change from the main sheeting to the cabin top (without the traveller) to a traveller in the cockpit. That change improved dramatically trimming of the main, even if some complained that the traveller was getting in the way of getting into the companion way. There was a good picture on the boat for sail in BC (?) just a week or so ago. Marek (ex. CC 24 Fennel) From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com');] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: February-04-15 14:28 To: chris hulett; cnc-list@cnc-list.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24 Did you take pictures prior to stripping off the hardware? Some of the added hardware may be a big improvement on the original as many of the older CCs came with hayards led to mast base, no boom vang, no backstay adjuster, no genoa tracks etc and many boats have been upgraded to run lines to cockpit and added very necessary sail and rig trim adjustments Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com');] On Behalf Of chris hulett via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); Subject: Stus-List CC24 I have a CC24 that I recently purchased and it needs a lot of work.I have striped everything off of the deck and in the process of fixing all the fiberglass , when I've finished I will start installing all the deck hardware and lines, it looks like over the years the boat owners have added extra hardware . I'm wanting to get this boat back to original hardwsre and lines , so if anyone has pictures of how a CC 24 should rig I wold live to see them. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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The original main sheeting would not allow to trim the main for close hauled sailing. If you don't plan to move it to cockpit, think about running two separate sheets ( port and starboard). This would allow you to bring the boom to the centreline ( or even higher, if needed). Otherwise, it would always be a bit below. Marek Gary Nylander via CnC-List wrote: The only suggestion I would have is to consider genoa tracks. The reason is our CC's are rather 'fat' boats and sheeting the genoa to the toe rail gives us a wider than optimum sheeting angle for the genoa. When I got my 30-1, I (had been to a couple of seminars and was loaded?? with knowledge) I calculated the sheeting angle for the genoa was about 12-13 degrees and my impressive knowledge suggested it should be around 10-11. Thus, tracks. This gives you the opportunity to unhook the genoa and run it back to the rail when you want the best angle for reaching, thus increasing the tasks you can get your faithful crew to do. If you are cruising and are not dedicated to the highest possible pointing angle, then disregard the above. If not, then drill a bunch of leaky holes in your deck and have the drips come down inside... Gary - Original Message - From: Ed Dooley via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:54 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24 My shins agree with the last comment. I have a CC24, but don't know what might be different from the original. Halyards to winches on the cabin top at the cockpit, no genoa track (but simple to adjust for whatever foresail I choose with blocks clipped in to 2 or so increments in the aluminum toe-rail. One improvement (I don't think they were original, but who knows?) are the Barient self-tailing winches for the main sheets (nice improvement!). Teak grab rail on the cabin, split back stay with adjuster, home-made boom vang (not well thought out by previous owner). From the brochures on Stu's site http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ it looks like, as Chris said, the early models had halyards to mast base, not so on later models where they go to winches on the cabin top, at the cockpit. Ed From: Marek Dziedzic dziedzi...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 15:21:48 -0500 To: 'Hoyt, Mike' mike.h...@impgroup.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24 One of the big improvements was the change from the main sheeting to the cabin top (without the traveller) to a traveller in the cockpit. That change improved dramatically trimming of the main, even if some complained that the traveller was getting in the way of getting into the companion way. There was a good picture on the boat for sail in BC (?) just a week or so ago. Marek (ex. CC 24 Fennel) From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: February-04-15 14:28 To: chris hulett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24 Did you take pictures prior to stripping off the hardware? Some of the added hardware may be a big improvement on the original as many of the older CCs came with hayards led to mast base, no boom vang, no backstay adjuster, no genoa tracks etc and many boats have been upgraded to run lines to cockpit and added very necessary sail and rig trim adjustments Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of chris hulett via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CC24 I have a CC24 that I recently purchased and it needs a lot of work.I have striped everything off of the deck and in the process of fixing all the fiberglass , when I've finished I will start installing all the deck hardware and lines, it looks like over the years the boat owners have added extra hardware . I'm wanting to get this boat back to original hardwsre and lines , so if anyone has pictures of how a CC 24 should rig I wold live to see them. -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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The only suggestion I would have is to consider genoa tracks. The reason is our CC's are rather 'fat' boats and sheeting the genoa to the toe rail gives us a wider than optimum sheeting angle for the genoa. When I got my 30-1, I (had been to a couple of seminars and was loaded?? with knowledge) I calculated the sheeting angle for the genoa was about 12-13 degrees and my impressive knowledge suggested it should be around 10-11. Thus, tracks. This gives you the opportunity to unhook the genoa and run it back to the rail when you want the best angle for reaching, thus increasing the tasks you can get your faithful crew to do. If you are cruising and are not dedicated to the highest possible pointing angle, then disregard the above. If not, then drill a bunch of leaky holes in your deck and have the drips come down inside... Gary - Original Message - From: Ed Dooley via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:54 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24 My shins agree with the last comment. I have a CC24, but don't know what might be different from the original. Halyards to winches on the cabin top at the cockpit, no genoa track (but simple to adjust for whatever foresail I choose with blocks clipped in to 2 or so increments in the aluminum toe-rail. One improvement (I don't think they were original, but who knows?) are the Barient self-tailing winches for the main sheets (nice improvement!). Teak grab rail on the cabin, split back stay with adjuster, home-made boom vang (not well thought out by previous owner). From the brochures on Stu's site http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ it looks like, as Chris said, the early models had halyards to mast base, not so on later models where they go to winches on the cabin top, at the cockpit. Ed From: Marek Dziedzic dziedzi...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 15:21:48 -0500 To: 'Hoyt, Mike' mike.h...@impgroup.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24 One of the big improvements was the change from the main sheeting to the cabin top (without the traveller) to a traveller in the cockpit. That change improved dramatically trimming of the main, even if some complained that the traveller was getting in the way of getting into the companion way. There was a good picture on the boat for sail in BC (?) just a week or so ago. Marek (ex. CC 24 Fennel) From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: February-04-15 14:28 To: chris hulett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24 Did you take pictures prior to stripping off the hardware? Some of the added hardware may be a big improvement on the original as many of the older CCs came with hayards led to mast base, no boom vang, no backstay adjuster, no genoa tracks etc and many boats have been upgraded to run lines to cockpit and added very necessary sail and rig trim adjustments Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of chris hulett via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CC24 I have a CC24 that I recently purchased and it needs a lot of work.I have striped everything off of the deck and in the process of fixing all the fiberglass , when I've finished I will start installing all the deck hardware and lines, it looks like over the years the boat owners have added extra hardware . I'm wanting to get this boat back to original hardwsre and lines , so if anyone has pictures of how a CC 24 should rig I wold live to see them. -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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One of the big improvements was the change from the main sheeting to the cabin top (without the traveller) to a traveller in the cockpit. That change improved dramatically trimming of the main, even if some complained that the traveller was getting in the way of getting into the companion way. There was a good picture on the boat for sail in BC (?) just a week or so ago. Marek (ex. CC 24 Fennel) From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: February-04-15 14:28 To: chris hulett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24 Did you take pictures prior to stripping off the hardware? Some of the added hardware may be a big improvement on the original as many of the older CCs came with hayards led to mast base, no boom vang, no backstay adjuster, no genoa tracks etc and many boats have been upgraded to run lines to cockpit and added very necessary sail and rig trim adjustments Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of chris hulett via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CC24 I have a CC24 that I recently purchased and it needs a lot of work.I have striped everything off of the deck and in the process of fixing all the fiberglass , when I've finished I will start installing all the deck hardware and lines, it looks like over the years the boat owners have added extra hardware . I'm wanting to get this boat back to original hardwsre and lines , so if anyone has pictures of how a CC 24 should rig I wold live to see them. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Actually, it seems that there were multiple versions of that arrangement. The original CC 24s had the main sheeting arranged at the cabin top in a triangle (http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/24foot/24b1pg01.htm). However, a brochure for the 24(c) (at the Photoalbum), shows two different arrangements (the triangle and the cockpit eye). Many people who raced the CC 24 installed the in-cockpit traveller to improve the sheeting arrangement (with very little regard to crew's shins and knees). If you are looking for a good arrangement, a cabin top winch would be great for hoisting sails (you would need a set of turning blocks around the mast and a couple of cleats for each of the halyards). My view is that the genoa tracks are secondary; a couple of fiddle blocks on the toe rail works fine (you can move them up and down, as needed). I never found a need for self tailing winches. CC 24 is the human size; you can adjust the sails by hand in 90% of the conditions. For the main - 4:1 sheeting was more than enough. Marek -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Baker via CnC-List Sent: February-04-15 18:44 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24 Original is often not the best. I don't think the 24 ever came with a standard traveller, the main sheet came to a fixed eye in the cockpit floor. On my old 24 which was a late model there were many modifications to enable better and more effective sail controls. All lines were led to cockpit and she also had : Genoa tracks Traveller full width across the cockpit (shin smasher) Cunningham That was the orange one posted up last week. Cheers Paul Orange Crush 27MkII Sidney, BC Original Message - From: chris hulett via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 12:20:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: Stus-List CC24 I have a CC24 that I recently purchased and it needs a lot of work.I have striped everything off of the deck and in the process of fixing all the fiberglass , when I've finished I will start installing all the deck hardware and lines, it looks like over the years the boat owners have added extra hardware . I'm wanting to get this boat back to original hardwsre and lines , so if anyone has pictures of how a CC 24 should rig I wold live to see them. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Original is often not the best. I don't think the 24 ever came with a standard traveller, the main sheet came to a fixed eye in the cockpit floor. On my old 24 which was a late model there were many modifications to enable better and more effective sail controls. All lines were led to cockpit and she also had : Genoa tracks Traveller full width across the cockpit (shin smasher) Cunningham That was the orange one posted up last week. Cheers Paul Orange Crush 27MkII Sidney, BC Original Message - From: chris hulett via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 12:20:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: Stus-List CC24 I have a CC24 that I recently purchased and it needs a lot of work.I have striped everything off of the deck and in the process of fixing all the fiberglass , when I've finished I will start installing all the deck hardware and lines, it looks like over the years the boat owners have added extra hardware . I'm wanting to get this boat back to original hardwsre and lines , so if anyone has pictures of how a CC 24 should rig I wold live to see them. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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My mirage 25 had a split sheet arrangement like the one shown in the photo. Good arrangement allowing infinite arrangement of the main once you get used to it.___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Look at the Mirage 24. It's essentially the same boat. -Original Message- From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: 2015-02-04 7:21 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24 Actually, it seems that there were multiple versions of that arrangement. The original CC 24s had the main sheeting arranged at the cabin top in a triangle (http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/24foot/24b1pg01.htm). However, a brochure for the 24(c) (at the Photoalbum), shows two different arrangements (the triangle and the cockpit eye). Many people who raced the CC 24 installed the in-cockpit traveller to improve the sheeting arrangement (with very little regard to crew's shins and knees). If you are looking for a good arrangement, a cabin top winch would be great for hoisting sails (you would need a set of turning blocks around the mast and a couple of cleats for each of the halyards). My view is that the genoa tracks are secondary; a couple of fiddle blocks on the toe rail works fine (you can move them up and down, as needed). I never found a need for self tailing winches. CC 24 is the human size; you can adjust the sails by hand in 90% of the conditions. For the main - 4:1 sheeting was more than enough. Marek -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Baker via CnC-List Sent: February-04-15 18:44 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC24 Original is often not the best. I don't think the 24 ever came with a standard traveller, the main sheet came to a fixed eye in the cockpit floor. On my old 24 which was a late model there were many modifications to enable better and more effective sail controls. All lines were led to cockpit and she also had : Genoa tracks Traveller full width across the cockpit (shin smasher) Cunningham That was the orange one posted up last week. Cheers Paul Orange Crush 27MkII Sidney, BC Original Message - From: chris hulett via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 12:20:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: Stus-List CC24 I have a CC24 that I recently purchased and it needs a lot of work.I have striped everything off of the deck and in the process of fixing all the fiberglass , when I've finished I will start installing all the deck hardware and lines, it looks like over the years the boat owners have added extra hardware . I'm wanting to get this boat back to original hardwsre and lines , so if anyone has pictures of how a CC 24 should rig I wold live to see them. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
