Stus-List Deck repair
I managed to crush a 2" x 4" portion of my aft deck on both sides recently. I have cleaned out the balsa core and removed the fiberglass/gel coat pieces on top and need to fill it in (its about 1 inch deep) and then, eventually, cover it with the Kiwi Grip that was on it pre-crushing. I have done a lot of fiberglass construction with epoxy and thought I would mix up a batch with some cotton fiber filler and just fill the hole. Alternatively I could wet a bunch of fiberglass tape I have with epoxy and then top this off with some thickened epoxy. Then I read about gel coat repair and it says that this won't adhere to an epoxy repair so I maybe I should fill the holes with thickened gel coat so that eventually some Kiwi Grip will stick to it. I need to fill it this weekend before the balsa core gets wet from rain, etc. although I have put a thin coating of epoxy on the balsa to protect it temporarily. What advice does the list have for such a repair? TIA, Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Deck repair
If your going to kiwi grip it anyway, why worry about gelcoat? Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Jul 9, 2015 2:09 PM, "Charlie Nelson via CnC-List" wrote: > I managed to crush a 2" x 4" portion of my aft deck on both sides recently. > > I have cleaned out the balsa core and removed the fiberglass/gel coat > pieces on top and need to fill it in (its about 1 inch deep) and then, > eventually, cover it with the Kiwi Grip that > was on it pre-crushing. > > I have done a lot of fiberglass construction with epoxy and thought I > would mix up a batch with some cotton fiber filler and just fill the hole. > > Alternatively I could wet a bunch of fiberglass tape I have with epoxy and > then top this off with some thickened epoxy. > > Then I read about gel coat repair and it says that this won't adhere to an > epoxy repair so I maybe I should fill the holes with thickened > gel coat so that eventually some Kiwi Grip will stick to it. > > I need to fill it this weekend before the balsa core gets wet from rain, > etc. although I have put a thin coating of epoxy on the balsa to protect it > temporarily. > > What advice does the list have for such a repair? > > TIA, > > Charlie Nelson > Water Phantom > C&C 36 XL/kcb > > > > > > > > cenel...@aol.com > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Deck repair
Charlie, Is this in a high load area of the deck? Do you have any balsa or other core material on hand? Re: epoxy bonding to gel coat or other coatings, there was a discussion here on the cnc-list in the last week or so on that same topic. In short, with good prep practices other coating will bond to well cured epoxy. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle [Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Nelson via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 11:10 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cenel...@aol.com Subject: Stus-List Deck repair I managed to crush a 2" x 4" portion of my aft deck on both sides recently. I have cleaned out the balsa core and removed the fiberglass/gel coat pieces on top and need to fill it in (its about 1 inch deep) and then, eventually, cover it with the Kiwi Grip that was on it pre-crushing. I have done a lot of fiberglass construction with epoxy and thought I would mix up a batch with some cotton fiber filler and just fill the hole. Alternatively I could wet a bunch of fiberglass tape I have with epoxy and then top this off with some thickened epoxy. Then I read about gel coat repair and it says that this won't adhere to an epoxy repair so I maybe I should fill the holes with thickened gel coat so that eventually some Kiwi Grip will stick to it. I need to fill it this weekend before the balsa core gets wet from rain, etc. although I have put a thin coating of epoxy on the balsa to protect it temporarily. What advice does the list have for such a repair? TIA, Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com<mailto:cenel...@aol.com> ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Deck repair
As long as the Kiwi-Grip will stick to the repair (if done with epoxy w fillers), I do not care. Probably need to check with Kiwi-Grip to see if its compatible. Thanks, Charlie cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List To: C&C List Cc: Josh Muckley Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2015 2:17 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck repair If your going to kiwi grip it anyway, why worry about gelcoat? Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Jul 9, 2015 2:09 PM, "Charlie Nelson via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: I managed to crush a 2" x 4" portion of my aft deck on both sides recently. I have cleaned out the balsa core and removed the fiberglass/gel coat pieces on top and need to fill it in (its about 1 inch deep) and then, eventually, cover it with the Kiwi Grip that was on it pre-crushing. I have done a lot of fiberglass construction with epoxy and thought I would mix up a batch with some cotton fiber filler and just fill the hole. Alternatively I could wet a bunch of fiberglass tape I have with epoxy and then top this off with some thickened epoxy. Then I read about gel coat repair and it says that this won't adhere to an epoxy repair so I maybe I should fill the holes with thickened gel coat so that eventually some Kiwi Grip will stick to it. I need to fill it this weekend before the balsa core gets wet from rain, etc. although I have put a thin coating of epoxy on the balsa to protect it temporarily. What advice does the list have for such a repair? TIA, Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Deck repair
Charlie, Epoxy or vinyl ester resin, your choice. Both will work. If you have epoxy and the proportioning pumps, use it. If you're comfortable with vinylester, use that. I'd use epoxy or resin wetted cloth or roving. Fill to near level. If you use the epoxy, wash it with TSP and rinse with LOTS of water. Then finish it to elevation with 3M Premium Filler or equivalent putty. Sand level and apply your Kiwi Grip. The secret here is the putty. Covers lots of imperfections and sands easily. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I managed to crush a 2" x 4" portion of my aft deck on both sides recently. > > I have cleaned out the balsa core and removed the fiberglass/gel coat > pieces on top and need to fill it in (its about 1 inch deep) and then, > eventually, cover it with the Kiwi Grip that > was on it pre-crushing. > > I have done a lot of fiberglass construction with epoxy and thought I > would mix up a batch with some cotton fiber filler and just fill the hole. > > Alternatively I could wet a bunch of fiberglass tape I have with epoxy and > then top this off with some thickened epoxy. > > Then I read about gel coat repair and it says that this won't adhere to an > epoxy repair so I maybe I should fill the holes with thickened > gel coat so that eventually some Kiwi Grip will stick to it. > > I need to fill it this weekend before the balsa core gets wet from rain, > etc. although I have put a thin coating of epoxy on the balsa to protect it > temporarily. > > What advice does the list have for such a repair? > > TIA, > > Charlie Nelson > Water Phantom > C&C 36 XL/kcb > > > > > > > > cenel...@aol.com > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Charlie, I will be painting Kiwi Grip over many sq. feet of epoxy/filler repairs completed or underway on Calypso’s deck. Over well cured epoxy I am painting an epoxy based one part high build primer. Over the primer most of the repairs will also be covered with a two part topsides paint. The Kiwi Grip will go over the top coat. Over on Sailing Anarchy, in the fixit forum, there is a contributor that sells Kiwi Grip. I expect he would be able to confirm its compatibility with various primers and top coat paints. My expectation is it will cover/bond well over most primers and paints but would prefer not to be painted directly to un-coated epoxy. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle [Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Nelson via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 11:35 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cenel...@aol.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck repair As long as the Kiwi-Grip will stick to the repair (if done with epoxy w fillers), I do not care. Probably need to check with Kiwi-Grip to see if its compatible. Thanks, Charlie cenel...@aol.com<mailto:cenel...@aol.com> -Original Message- From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List To: C&C List Cc: Josh Muckley Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2015 2:17 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck repair If your going to kiwi grip it anyway, why worry about gelcoat? Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Jul 9, 2015 2:09 PM, "Charlie Nelson via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I managed to crush a 2" x 4" portion of my aft deck on both sides recently. I have cleaned out the balsa core and removed the fiberglass/gel coat pieces on top and need to fill it in (its about 1 inch deep) and then, eventually, cover it with the Kiwi Grip that was on it pre-crushing. I have done a lot of fiberglass construction with epoxy and thought I would mix up a batch with some cotton fiber filler and just fill the hole. Alternatively I could wet a bunch of fiberglass tape I have with epoxy and then top this off with some thickened epoxy. Then I read about gel coat repair and it says that this won't adhere to an epoxy repair so I maybe I should fill the holes with thickened gel coat so that eventually some Kiwi Grip will stick to it. I need to fill it this weekend before the balsa core gets wet from rain, etc. although I have put a thin coating of epoxy on the balsa to protect it temporarily. What advice does the list have for such a repair? TIA, Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Just checked my can. There is no mention of what it won't stick too. "over wood, GRP, metals, concrete, or any other pre-painted surface." I would say that if you use epoxy just make sure to wash the blush off. Josh On Jul 9, 2015 2:35 PM, "Charlie Nelson via CnC-List" wrote: > As long as the Kiwi-Grip will stick to the repair (if done with epoxy w > fillers), I do not care. > > Probably need to check with Kiwi-Grip to see if its compatible. > > Thanks, > > Charlie > > cenel...@aol.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List > To: C&C List > Cc: Josh Muckley > Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2015 2:17 pm > Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck repair > > If your going to kiwi grip it anyway, why worry about gelcoat? > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > On Jul 9, 2015 2:09 PM, "Charlie Nelson via CnC-List" < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> I managed to crush a 2" x 4" portion of my aft deck on both sides >> recently. >> >> I have cleaned out the balsa core and removed the fiberglass/gel coat >> pieces on top and need to fill it in (its about 1 inch deep) and then, >> eventually, cover it with the Kiwi Grip that >> was on it pre-crushing. >> >> I have done a lot of fiberglass construction with epoxy and thought I >> would mix up a batch with some cotton fiber filler and just fill the hole. >> >> Alternatively I could wet a bunch of fiberglass tape I have with epoxy >> and then top this off with some thickened epoxy. >> >> Then I read about gel coat repair and it says that this won't adhere to >> an epoxy repair so I maybe I should fill the holes with thickened >> gel coat so that eventually some Kiwi Grip will stick to it. >> >> I need to fill it this weekend before the balsa core gets wet from rain, >> etc. although I have put a thin coating of epoxy on the balsa to protect it >> temporarily. >> >> What advice does the list have for such a repair? >> >> TIA, >> >> Charlie Nelson >> Water Phantom >> C&C 36 XL/kcb >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> cenel...@aol.com >> >> ___ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> ___ > > Email > address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including > unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page > at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I would think it would be better to get at least a prime coat of paint over the epoxy, not only to help the KiwiGrip stick, but also for UV protection in case the KiwiGrip gets damaged or thin in spots. Uncoated epoxy doesn’t do well in the sun. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI > On Jul 9, 2015, at 1:43 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List > wrote: > > Just checked my can. There is no mention of what it won't stick too. > > "over wood, GRP, metals, concrete, or any other pre-painted surface." > > I would say that if you use epoxy just make sure to wash the blush off. > > Josh > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I've been using the Awlfair LW 2-part product for final fairing and really like it. Easy to mix and sands easily. I've stopped using West System with low density filler. Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 9, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List > wrote: > > Charlie, > > Epoxy or vinyl ester resin, your choice. Both will work. If you have epoxy > and the proportioning pumps, use it. If you're comfortable with vinylester, > use that. > > I'd use epoxy or resin wetted cloth or roving. Fill to near level. If you > use the epoxy, wash it with TSP and rinse with LOTS of water. Then finish it > to elevation with 3M Premium Filler or equivalent putty. Sand level and > apply your Kiwi Grip. > > The secret here is the putty. Covers lots of imperfections and sands easily. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > >> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List >> wrote: >> I managed to crush a 2" x 4" portion of my aft deck on both sides recently. >> >> I have cleaned out the balsa core and removed the fiberglass/gel coat pieces >> on top and need to fill it in (its about 1 inch deep) and then, eventually, >> cover it with the Kiwi Grip that >> was on it pre-crushing. >> >> I have done a lot of fiberglass construction with epoxy and thought I would >> mix up a batch with some cotton fiber filler and just fill the hole. >> >> Alternatively I could wet a bunch of fiberglass tape I have with epoxy and >> then top this off with some thickened epoxy. >> >> Then I read about gel coat repair and it says that this won't adhere to an >> epoxy repair so I maybe I should fill the holes with thickened >> gel coat so that eventually some Kiwi Grip will stick to it. >> >> I need to fill it this weekend before the balsa core gets wet from rain, >> etc. although I have put a thin coating of epoxy on the balsa to protect it >> temporarily. >> >> What advice does the list have for such a repair? >> >> TIA, >> >> Charlie Nelson >> Water Phantom >> C&C 36 XL/kcb >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> cenel...@aol.com >> >> ___ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Charlie This is a pretty simple repair. Since your deck is already painted (Kiwi grip) then you should have no worries about adhesion or even a noticeable repair. You can purchase balsa core at most marine fiberglass retailers and it comes usually in 2x4 foot sizes made up of many balsa cubes (approx. 1 x 2 inches each) attached to a loose fabric backing. Very easily cut to appropriate size. Use epoxy. It bonds the best and paint adheres to epoxy. Epoxy will make the best repair as well and that should be your primary concern. Lay down 2 or three layers of 6 oz or similar fiberglass cloth. Thoroughly saturate with epoxy (use a paint brush or putty knife ..). Place in the precut balsa. At this point place a heavy weight over the balsa to anchor it while the epoxy cures. Be sure to put plastic wrap or similar over the area to stop the weight from curing to the epoxy – the wrap will not adhere. You will have the area ground down around the hole and now you fill any voids (I use west 406 silica to thicken epoxy for this or similar) and grind out any air bubbles. Then three or four layers of 6 oz cloth each overlapping the last and extending over the edge of surrounding area which you had ground down. Use unthickened epoxy for this. When all is done you now have your patch but it will not likely be level. Epoxy thickened with West 407 sandable filler or similar is good to build up the area to level. If you ever have taped drywall in your home it is very similar process. Use Random orbital or similar sander with 80 grit to sand to a smooth surface. Check against rest of deck with a straight edge like a ruler to identify high and low spots. Expect at least one filler and two skim coats to get the area level with deck and smooth. Next wipe down with solvent wash (something like Interlux 202) and apply your primer with a roller (I use the 4” foam rollers). Interlux Pre-Kote is good for one part non skid paints. After 24 hours you can apply your non skid paint. I have always used Interlux products such as Brightside with non skid additive or Interdeck. There has never been an issue bonding to Epoxy or to Polyester. I believe Kiwi Grip is also a one part paint very similar to Interdeck but you should check with the kiwi Grip people for advice about primers etc. I am sure they have tech support the same as Interlux does. I have photo documented this process for the first 4 areas I recored on Nut Case (J27) in 2008. The process can be found here … http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt/Projects/recore/recore.htm Note that I have used this process around chain plates and cockpit floor on our Niagara 26 Full Tilt 2, in 14 areas of deck and cockpit on J27 Nut Case and even filled a couple old holes and repainted a few areas around winches and coachroof on Persistence. It is an easy job that will leave you satisfied. Don’t be afraid to cut your deck. Pretty much every C&C has a balsa cored deck and likely 90% have moisture in the core in some areas. This sort of repair should be considered general maintenance anyway …. Mike Persistence Halifax From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Nelson via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 3:10 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cenel...@aol.com Subject: Stus-List Deck repair I managed to crush a 2" x 4" portion of my aft deck on both sides recently. I have cleaned out the balsa core and removed the fiberglass/gel coat pieces on top and need to fill it in (its about 1 inch deep) and then, eventually, cover it with the Kiwi Grip that was on it pre-crushing. I have done a lot of fiberglass construction with epoxy and thought I would mix up a batch with some cotton fiber filler and just fill the hole. Alternatively I could wet a bunch of fiberglass tape I have with epoxy and then top this off with some thickened epoxy. Then I read about gel coat repair and it says that this won't adhere to an epoxy repair so I maybe I should fill the holes with thickened gel coat so that eventually some Kiwi Grip will stick to it. I need to fill it this weekend before the balsa core gets wet from rain, etc. although I have put a thin coating of epoxy on the balsa to protect it temporarily. What advice does the list have for such a repair? TIA, Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com<mailto:cenel...@aol.com> ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Thanks to all for the great replies--as usual this list is awesome. Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cc: Hoyt, Mike Sent: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 8:58 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck repair Charlie This is a pretty simple repair. Since your deck is already painted (Kiwi grip) then you should have no worries about adhesion or even a noticeable repair. You can purchase balsa core at most marine fiberglass retailers and it comes usually in 2x4 foot sizes made up of many balsa cubes (approx. 1 x 2 inches each) attached to a loose fabric backing. Very easily cut to appropriate size. Use epoxy. It bonds the best and paint adheres to epoxy. Epoxy will make the best repair as well and that should be your primary concern. Lay down 2 or three layers of 6 oz or similar fiberglass cloth. Thoroughly saturate with epoxy (use a paint brush or putty knife ..). Place in the precut balsa. At this point place a heavy weight over the balsa to anchor it while the epoxy cures. Be sure to put plastic wrap or similar over the area to stop the weight from curing to the epoxy – the wrap will not adhere. You will have the area ground down around the hole and now you fill any voids (I use west 406 silica to thicken epoxy for this or similar) and grind out any air bubbles. Then three or four layers of 6 oz cloth each overlapping the last and extending over the edge of surrounding area which you had ground down. Use unthickened epoxy for this. When all is done you now have your patch but it will not likely be level. Epoxy thickened with West 407 sandable filler or similar is good to build up the area to level. If you ever have taped drywall in your home it is very similar process. Use Random orbital or similar sander with 80 grit to sand to a smooth surface. Check against rest of deck with a straight edge like a ruler to identify high and low spots. Expect at least one filler and two skim coats to get the area level with deck and smooth. Next wipe down with solvent wash (something like Interlux 202) and apply your primer with a roller (I use the 4” foam rollers). Interlux Pre-Kote is good for one part non skid paints. After 24 hours you can apply your non skid paint. I have always used Interlux products such as Brightside with non skid additive or Interdeck. There has never been an issue bonding to Epoxy or to Polyester. I believe Kiwi Grip is also a one part paint very similar to Interdeck but you should check with the kiwi Grip people for advice about primers etc. I am sure they have tech support the same as Interlux does. I have photo documented this process for the first 4 areas I recored on Nut Case (J27) in 2008. The process can be found here … http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt/Projects/recore/recore.htm Note that I have used this process around chain plates and cockpit floor on our Niagara 26 Full Tilt 2, in 14 areas of deck and cockpit on J27 Nut Case and even filled a couple old holes and repainted a few areas around winches and coachroof on Persistence. It is an easy job that will leave you satisfied. Don’t be afraid to cut your deck. Pretty much every C&C has a balsa cored deck and likely 90% have moisture in the core in some areas. This sort of repair should be considered general maintenance anyway …. Mike Persistence Halifax From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Nelson via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 3:10 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cenel...@aol.com Subject: Stus-List Deck repair I managed to crush a 2" x 4" portion of my aft deck on both sides recently. I have cleaned out the balsa core and removed the fiberglass/gel coat pieces on top and need to fill it in (its about 1 inch deep) and then, eventually, cover it with the Kiwi Grip that was on it pre-crushing. I have done a lot of fiberglass construction with epoxy and thought I would mix up a batch with some cotton fiber filler and just fill the hole. Alternatively I could wet a bunch of fiberglass tape I have with epoxy and then top this off with some thickened epoxy. Then I read about gel coat repair and it says that this won't adhere to an epoxy repair so I maybe I should fill the holes with thickened gel coat so that eventually some Kiwi Grip will stick to it. I need to fill it this weekend before the balsa core gets wet from rain, etc. although I have put a thin coating of epoxy on the balsa to protect it temporarily. What advice does the list have for such a repair?
Re: Stus-List Deck repair
Hi Martin, I was going to use high build primer on my deck paint job and the paint rep said not to use it. Waste of money and not as good as regular primer unless there is a lot of fairing to do. It seems best suited for a job where minor imperfections are needed to be filled. High build on and long board the high spots off, repeat until perfection. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 11:43 AM 09/07/2015, you wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_23EAE197CC1B594FA8793397EBCD357DC85DFCDMI3DMIlocal_"; type="multipart/alternative" Charlie, I will be painting Kiwi Grip over many sq. feet of epoxy/filler repairs completed or underway on Calypsoâs deck. Over well cured epoxy I am painting an epoxy based one part high build primer. Over the primer most of the repairs will also be covered with a two part topsides paint. The Kiwi Grip will go over the top coat. Over on Sailing Anarchy, in the fixit forum, there is a contributor that sells Kiwi Grip. I expect he would be able to confirm its compatibility with various primers and top coat paints. My expectation is it will cover/bond well over most primers and paints but would prefer not to be painted directly to un-coated epoxy. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Nelson via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 11:35 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cenel...@aol.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck repair As long as the Kiwi-Grip will stick to the repair (if done with epoxy w fillers), I do not care. Probably need to check with Kiwi-Grip to see if its compatible. Thanks, Charlie <mailto:cenel...@aol.com>cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List To: C&C List Cc: Josh Muckley Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2015 2:17 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck repair If your going to kiwi grip it anyway, why worry about gelcoat? Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Jul 9, 2015 2:09 PM, "Charlie Nelson via CnC-List" < <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: I managed to crush a 2" x 4" portion of my aft deck on both sides recently. I have cleaned out the balsa core and removed the fiberglass/gel coat pieces on top and need to fill it in (its about 1 inch deep) and then, eventually, cover it with the Kiwi Grip that was on it pre-crushing. I have done a lot of fiberglass construction with epoxy and thought I would mix up a batch with some cotton fiber filler and just fill the hole. Alternatively I could wet a bunch of fiberglass tape I have with epoxy and then top this off with some thickened epoxy. Then I read about gel coat repair and it says that this won't adhere to an epoxy repair so I maybe I should fill the holes with thickened gel coat so that eventually some Kiwi Grip will stick to it. I need to fill it this weekend before the balsa core gets wet from rain, etc. although I have put a thin coating of epoxy on the balsa to protect it temporarily. What advice does the list have for such a repair? TIA, Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
