Re: Stus-List Joker valve war!
I 'repaired' mine with Head Lube. Good stuff. Gary - Original Message - From: Dennis C. via CnC-List To: CnClist Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:23 PM Subject: Stus-List Joker valve war! I finally swapped out the joker valve in Touche's head because it was leaking back. Didn't leak much. Just some of the water between the bowl and the anti-siphon loop. As usual, it had become scaled up. I threw the old one in some vinegar and most of the scale dissolved but the rubber was so distorted it was dumpster material. I coated the new joker valve with TefGel hoping to get more life out of it. I think Peggy Hall, the head mistress recommends Super Lube for heads. Also, I read that throwing some vinegar in the head routinely minimizes scale build up. This really isn't a big thing for me. I get the valves wholesale for under $10 and changing one is only a 10 minute job. But I'd sure like to skip it altogether. Any other tricks? Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Joker valve war!
I just replaced mine last night. Ridiculously easy job. Cleaned the tank out, pumped lots of fresh water through and took it apart. I only lost about a litre of water onto the head floor. I was getting tired of coming back from a sail and having to swab the head! Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg (Where's the wind?!?!!) Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2014, at 8:31 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I 'repaired' mine with Head Lube. Good stuff. Gary - Original Message - From: Dennis C. via CnC-List To: CnClist Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:23 PM Subject: Stus-List Joker valve war! I finally swapped out the joker valve in Touche's head because it was leaking back. Didn't leak much. Just some of the water between the bowl and the anti-siphon loop. As usual, it had become scaled up. I threw the old one in some vinegar and most of the scale dissolved but the rubber was so distorted it was dumpster material. I coated the new joker valve with TefGel hoping to get more life out of it. I think Peggy Hall, the head mistress recommends Super Lube for heads. Also, I read that throwing some vinegar in the head routinely minimizes scale build up. This really isn't a big thing for me. I get the valves wholesale for under $10 and changing one is only a 10 minute job. But I'd sure like to skip it altogether. Any other tricks? Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Joker valve war / Head reliability
Rebuilding heads seems to be a popular activity at this time of year; I replaced all valves in my Headmate head last weekend. It's not a bad job, but I always remember why I bought the stubby Phillips #2 screwdriver when I do it. The previous weekend I dumped four gallons of vinegar into the system to clear scale off. It worked for the joker valve, but I was still having issues with the pump losing prime and not drying easily without holding the valve leaver down. Once apart, it was pretty obvious why - the metal backing washer from one of the inlet valve had corroded off the rubber piece, and while I was there I just changed all the parts that were in the service kit. Joker valves seem to be common across head designs, and a necessary evil, but I am fed up with having to rebuild the pump on the Headmate once or twice a year, so am planning to replace it this winter. Can anyone share experiences with their heads (ours gets very light use, strictly no solids)? I am considering the Jabsco Twist n Lock or the Raritan PHC. Thanks, Tim On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I finally swapped out the joker valve in Touche's head because it was leaking back. Didn't leak much. Just some of the water between the bowl and the anti-siphon loop. As usual, it had become scaled up. I threw the old one in some vinegar and most of the scale dissolved but the rubber was so distorted it was dumpster material. I coated the new joker valve with TefGel hoping to get more life out of it. I think Peggy Hall, the head mistress recommends Super Lube for heads. Also, I read that throwing some vinegar in the head routinely minimizes scale build up. This really isn't a big thing for me. I get the valves wholesale for under $10 and changing one is only a 10 minute job. But I'd sure like to skip it altogether. Any other tricks? Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Joker valve war / Head reliability
I'm chasing leaks on a VacuFlush system. 4 joker valves and a pump diaphragm so far. Aargh! Rich On Jul 31, 2014, at 12:35, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Rebuilding heads seems to be a popular activity at this time of year; I replaced all valves in my Headmate head last weekend. It's not a bad job, but I always remember why I bought the stubby Phillips #2 screwdriver when I do it. The previous weekend I dumped four gallons of vinegar into the system to clear scale off. It worked for the joker valve, but I was still having issues with the pump losing prime and not drying easily without holding the valve leaver down. Once apart, it was pretty obvious why - the metal backing washer from one of the inlet valve had corroded off the rubber piece, and while I was there I just changed all the parts that were in the service kit. Joker valves seem to be common across head designs, and a necessary evil, but I am fed up with having to rebuild the pump on the Headmate once or twice a year, so am planning to replace it this winter. Can anyone share experiences with their heads (ours gets very light use, strictly no solids)? I am considering the Jabsco Twist n Lock or the Raritan PHC. Thanks, Tim On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I finally swapped out the joker valve in Touche's head because it was leaking back. Didn't leak much. Just some of the water between the bowl and the anti-siphon loop. As usual, it had become scaled up. I threw the old one in some vinegar and most of the scale dissolved but the rubber was so distorted it was dumpster material. I coated the new joker valve with TefGel hoping to get more life out of it. I think Peggy Hall, the head mistress recommends Super Lube for heads. Also, I read that throwing some vinegar in the head routinely minimizes scale build up. This really isn't a big thing for me. I get the valves wholesale for under $10 and changing one is only a 10 minute job. But I'd sure like to skip it altogether. Any other tricks? Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Joker valve war / Head reliability
My cheap Jabsco is on its second season. I did replace the joker valve this year, but it was a simple process. Otherwise, it works fine. Joel 35/3 On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Rich Knowles via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I'm chasing leaks on a VacuFlush system. 4 joker valves and a pump diaphragm so far. Aargh! Rich On Jul 31, 2014, at 12:35, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Rebuilding heads seems to be a popular activity at this time of year; I replaced all valves in my Headmate head last weekend. It's not a bad job, but I always remember why I bought the stubby Phillips #2 screwdriver when I do it. The previous weekend I dumped four gallons of vinegar into the system to clear scale off. It worked for the joker valve, but I was still having issues with the pump losing prime and not drying easily without holding the valve leaver down. Once apart, it was pretty obvious why - the metal backing washer from one of the inlet valve had corroded off the rubber piece, and while I was there I just changed all the parts that were in the service kit. Joker valves seem to be common across head designs, and a necessary evil, but I am fed up with having to rebuild the pump on the Headmate once or twice a year, so am planning to replace it this winter. Can anyone share experiences with their heads (ours gets very light use, strictly no solids)? I am considering the Jabsco Twist n Lock or the Raritan PHC. Thanks, Tim On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I finally swapped out the joker valve in Touche's head because it was leaking back. Didn't leak much. Just some of the water between the bowl and the anti-siphon loop. As usual, it had become scaled up. I threw the old one in some vinegar and most of the scale dissolved but the rubber was so distorted it was dumpster material. I coated the new joker valve with TefGel hoping to get more life out of it. I think Peggy Hall, the head mistress recommends Super Lube for heads. Also, I read that throwing some vinegar in the head routinely minimizes scale build up. This really isn't a big thing for me. I get the valves wholesale for under $10 and changing one is only a 10 minute job. But I'd sure like to skip it altogether. Any other tricks? Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Joker valve war / Head reliability
I replaced my whole unit with a Lavac. It uses a manual diaphragm bilge pump (gusher style) and I have had not one issue in 7 years of operations. Minimal moving parts and a favorite with live boards and bluewater cruisers. Cost was under $300. Thanks, Mike Fair Padanaram, MA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:08 PM To: Tim Goodyear; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Joker valve war / Head reliability I'm chasing leaks on a VacuFlush system. 4 joker valves and a pump diaphragm so far. Aargh! Rich On Jul 31, 2014, at 12:35, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Rebuilding heads seems to be a popular activity at this time of year; I replaced all valves in my Headmate head last weekend. It's not a bad job, but I always remember why I bought the stubby Phillips #2 screwdriver when I do it. The previous weekend I dumped four gallons of vinegar into the system to clear scale off. It worked for the joker valve, but I was still having issues with the pump losing prime and not drying easily without holding the valve leaver down. Once apart, it was pretty obvious why - the metal backing washer from one of the inlet valve had corroded off the rubber piece, and while I was there I just changed all the parts that were in the service kit. Joker valves seem to be common across head designs, and a necessary evil, but I am fed up with having to rebuild the pump on the Headmate once or twice a year, so am planning to replace it this winter. Can anyone share experiences with their heads (ours gets very light use, strictly no solids)? I am considering the Jabsco Twist n Lock or the Raritan PHC. Thanks, Tim On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I finally swapped out the joker valve in Touche's head because it was leaking back. Didn't leak much. Just some of the water between the bowl and the anti-siphon loop. As usual, it had become scaled up. I threw the old one in some vinegar and most of the scale dissolved but the rubber was so distorted it was dumpster material. I coated the new joker valve with TefGel hoping to get more life out of it. I think Peggy Hall, the head mistress recommends Super Lube for heads. Also, I read that throwing some vinegar in the head routinely minimizes scale build up. This really isn't a big thing for me. I get the valves wholesale for under $10 and changing one is only a 10 minute job. But I'd sure like to skip it altogether. Any other tricks? Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Joker valve war / Head reliability
I've had a Jabsco for 14 years. 3-4 years ago, I put the Twist and Lock pump assembly on it. Other than the joker valve scaling up, it has worked well. FWI, regardless of brand of head, my advice to all is to consider replacing the entire pump assembly rather than rebuilding an existing one. For most manual heads, the cost differential isn't great but you get better results. You don't know if the old pump cylinder is scored or if other parts not included in the rebuild kit are OK. Plus, it's quicker and easier to replace the pump assembly than to install a rebuild kit. For instance, a pump assembly for the Jabsco is $82 on amazon.com ( http://www.amazon.com/Jabsco-29040-3000-Marine-Manual-Assembly/dp/B001794BS0). A rebuild kit is $57 ( http://www.amazon.com/Jabsco-29045-2000-Marine-Manual-Service/dp/B000O8D38E ). Is 30-45 minutes of your time worth $25 and the risk of a botched rebuild? Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Tim Goodyear timg...@gmail.com wrote: Rebuilding heads seems to be a popular activity at this time of year; I replaced all valves in my Headmate head last weekend. It's not a bad job, but I always remember why I bought the stubby Phillips #2 screwdriver when I do it. The previous weekend I dumped four gallons of vinegar into the system to clear scale off. It worked for the joker valve, but I was still having issues with the pump losing prime and not drying easily without holding the valve leaver down. Once apart, it was pretty obvious why - the metal backing washer from one of the inlet valve had corroded off the rubber piece, and while I was there I just changed all the parts that were in the service kit. Joker valves seem to be common across head designs, and a necessary evil, but I am fed up with having to rebuild the pump on the Headmate once or twice a year, so am planning to replace it this winter. Can anyone share experiences with their heads (ours gets very light use, strictly no solids)? I am considering the Jabsco Twist n Lock or the Raritan PHC. Thanks, Tim ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Joker valve war / Head reliability
I installed an electric marine toilet on Alianna several years ago.it has not required any service yet, just flush with 50/50 ethylene glycol for winter storage. The push button flush is really simple and easy to use for everyone.we are primarily daysailers nowadays.I am not sure I would want it if we were doing more extended cruising Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Fair, Mike via CnC-List Sent: July 31, 2014 1:15 PM To: Rich Knowles; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Joker valve war / Head reliability I replaced my whole unit with a Lavac. It uses a manual diaphragm bilge pump (gusher style) and I have had not one issue in 7 years of operations. Minimal moving parts and a favorite with live boards and bluewater cruisers. Cost was under $300. Thanks, Mike Fair Padanaram, MA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:08 PM To: Tim Goodyear; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Joker valve war / Head reliability I'm chasing leaks on a VacuFlush system. 4 joker valves and a pump diaphragm so far. Aargh! Rich On Jul 31, 2014, at 12:35, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Rebuilding heads seems to be a popular activity at this time of year; I replaced all valves in my Headmate head last weekend. It's not a bad job, but I always remember why I bought the stubby Phillips #2 screwdriver when I do it. The previous weekend I dumped four gallons of vinegar into the system to clear scale off. It worked for the joker valve, but I was still having issues with the pump losing prime and not drying easily without holding the valve leaver down. Once apart, it was pretty obvious why - the metal backing washer from one of the inlet valve had corroded off the rubber piece, and while I was there I just changed all the parts that were in the service kit. Joker valves seem to be common across head designs, and a necessary evil, but I am fed up with having to rebuild the pump on the Headmate once or twice a year, so am planning to replace it this winter. Can anyone share experiences with their heads (ours gets very light use, strictly no solids)? I am considering the Jabsco Twist n Lock or the Raritan PHC. Thanks, Tim On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I finally swapped out the joker valve in Touche's head because it was leaking back. Didn't leak much. Just some of the water between the bowl and the anti-siphon loop. As usual, it had become scaled up. I threw the old one in some vinegar and most of the scale dissolved but the rubber was so distorted it was dumpster material. I coated the new joker valve with TefGel hoping to get more life out of it. I think Peggy Hall, the head mistress recommends Super Lube for heads. Also, I read that throwing some vinegar in the head routinely minimizes scale build up. This really isn't a big thing for me. I get the valves wholesale for under $10 and changing one is only a 10 minute job. But I'd sure like to skip it altogether. Any other tricks? Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7932 - Release Date: 07/27/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Joker valve war!
I finally swapped out the joker valve in Touche's head because it was leaking back. Didn't leak much. Just some of the water between the bowl and the anti-siphon loop. As usual, it had become scaled up. I threw the old one in some vinegar and most of the scale dissolved but the rubber was so distorted it was dumpster material. I coated the new joker valve with TefGel hoping to get more life out of it. I think Peggy Hall, the head mistress recommends Super Lube for heads. Also, I read that throwing some vinegar in the head routinely minimizes scale build up. This really isn't a big thing for me. I get the valves wholesale for under $10 and changing one is only a 10 minute job. But I'd sure like to skip it altogether. Any other tricks? Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Joker valve war!
Hi Dennis, To minimize scale in the toilet system our practice is to pump twelve times after the bowl clears (while in flush mode). Swing to dry bowl and pump a few more times if going sailing. I believe this practice moves the uric acid out of the system. We've had only minor scale issues a couple of times in thirty years, including live-aboard for two years. I have been meaning to do the vinegar soak but never got around to it, however a maintenance practice does include the occasional dollop of veggie oil pumped through. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 07:23 PM 30/07/2014, you wrote: I finally swapped out the joker valve in Touche's head because it was leaking back. Didn't leak much. Just some of the water between the bowl and the anti-siphon loop.  As usual, it had become scaled up. I threw the old one in some vinegar and most of the scale dissolved but the rubber was so distorted it was dumpster material. I coated the new joker valve with TefGel hoping to get more life out of it. I think Peggy Hall, the head mistress recommends Super Lube for heads. Also, I read that throwing some vinegar in the head routinely minimizes scale build up. This really isn't a big thing for me. I get the valves wholesale for under $10 and changing one is only a 10 minute job. But I'd sure like to skip it altogether. Any other tricks? Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
