Re: Stus-List Mast Rake for C 41
1 degree aft. That's 0.01745 times the P dimension for your boat aft of the mast along the boom. I see several P dimensions listed for the 41. For a 50 foot P it's 10.4 inches. For a 45 foot P it's 9.4 inches Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 8:43 AM Douglas Allardyce via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I'm looking for advice on what mast rake works best for a C 41 > > > Doug Allardyce > C 41 BULLET > Detroit > ~_/)~ > > > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Mast Rake for C 41
I agree with Bill, Then plumb bob measurement for Honey's mast is 11" aft of the mast at the goose neck Best regards, Jack Fitzgerald HONEY - C 39 TM US12788 Savannah, GA This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 10:13 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Almost every C mast I have seen called for a 1% Rake. > For my boat, around 60 feet OA from the keel, that amounts to a plum bob > around 11" behind the mast on deck. > > Bill Coleman > C 39 Erie, PA > > > -Original Message- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Douglas > Allardyce via CnC-List > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 9:42 AM > To: CnC- List > Cc: Douglas Allardyce > Subject: Stus-List Mast Rake for C 41 > > I'm looking for advice on what mast rake works best for a C 41 > > > Doug Allardyce > C 41 BULLET > Detroit > ~_/)~ > > > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Mast Rake for C 41
Almost every C mast I have seen called for a 1% Rake. For my boat, around 60 feet OA from the keel, that amounts to a plum bob around 11" behind the mast on deck. Bill Coleman C 39 Erie, PA -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Allardyce via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 9:42 AM To: CnC- List Cc: Douglas Allardyce Subject: Stus-List Mast Rake for C 41 I'm looking for advice on what mast rake works best for a C 41 Doug Allardyce C 41 BULLET Detroit ~_/)~ ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Mast Rake for C 41
I'm looking for advice on what mast rake works best for a C 41 Doug Allardyce C 41 BULLET Detroit ~_/)~ ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Mast Rake for C 41
I'm looking for advice on what mast rake works best for a C 41 Doug Allardyce C 41 BULLET Detroit ~_/)~ ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Mast Rake for C 41
Here are some pictures of what you might find as a mast step and shoe. https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1iAHU4yr_AeAApuMYY-ZqGTuRdlB7GRY4 Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sat, Aug 4, 2018, 10:04 AM Doug Allardyce via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I'm looking for advice on what mast rake works best for a C 41 > > Doug Allardyce > C 41 BULLET > Detroit > ~_/)~ > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Mast Rake for C 41
On our C 41, Der Baron we set it up with about 1 degree of rake. The major problem was dealing with the keel bolt at the mast step. We had to cut back a small amount of the mast at the base to allow for the base to move forward. We also adjusted the shims at the deck to put some slight pre-bend. We did it in 1986,some I'm not sure what else we may have done. Since then, we mostly use the hydraulic backstay , the baby stay, or the runners to adjust the mast bend and the sail shape. Don Wagner C 41 CB Der Baron -Original Message- From: Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2018 3:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Matthew L. Wolford Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Rake for C 41 For my 42 (obviously a different boat), we looked at the original C design drawing and assumed that the boat was drawn with the rake the designers intended. I forget what the degree of rake came out to be, but it wasn't much. To implement it in the field, I hung a bucket of water from the main halyard and raked the mast back until the halyard near deck level was the calculated distance from the mast. Once the mast was positioned where I wanted it, I installed a Spartite plug. I used leftover Spartite to make chocks for the mast step base. Not high-tech, but seems to have worked out okay. -Original Message- From: Doug Allardyce via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2018 10:03 AM To: C List Cc: Doug Allardyce Subject: Stus-List Mast Rake for C 41 I'm looking for advice on what mast rake works best for a C 41 Doug Allardyce C 41 BULLET Detroit ~_/)~ ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Mast Rake for C 41
For my 42 (obviously a different boat), we looked at the original C design drawing and assumed that the boat was drawn with the rake the designers intended. I forget what the degree of rake came out to be, but it wasn't much. To implement it in the field, I hung a bucket of water from the main halyard and raked the mast back until the halyard near deck level was the calculated distance from the mast. Once the mast was positioned where I wanted it, I installed a Spartite plug. I used leftover Spartite to make chocks for the mast step base. Not high-tech, but seems to have worked out okay. -Original Message- From: Doug Allardyce via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2018 10:03 AM To: C List Cc: Doug Allardyce Subject: Stus-List Mast Rake for C 41 I'm looking for advice on what mast rake works best for a C 41 Doug Allardyce C 41 BULLET Detroit ~_/)~ ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Mast Rake for C 41
Good comment, Josh. It was NOT a simple job to increase the rake on Touche'. Touche' has SparTite in the collar so moving the mast in the collar was not an option. I actually had to replace the fore stay when I added rake. Had to drop the Harken furler, disassemble it, install the new fore stay, find and install a new longer section of extrusion, re-hoist the furler, then adjust the turnbuckle in the furler. As I recall, I had to add about 5 inches to the fore stay to get the rake I wanted. Worst part was using trigonometry to calculate the new fore stay length. :( Second worst part was trying to find a section of old Harken MKIII Unit 1 furler extrusion. One of my sailing buddies had some. Fortunately, my buddy and I install furlers so all it cost me was $150 or so for the fore stay and a nice bottle of wine. It did make a noticeable difference in pointing ability. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > How do you intend to change the rake? It's a bigger project than you > think. You'll need to consider placement of the foot in the step and the > shims at the partners and the head stay length and the back stay length. > If you have a headsail furler changing the headstay length is going to be > further complicated. What makes you think that the rake needs changed? > You may simply find that changing the ratio of mainsail size to headsail > size is the trick to easing weather helm. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > > On Sat, Aug 4, 2018, 10:04 AM Doug Allardyce via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> I'm looking for advice on what mast rake works best for a C 41 >> >> Doug Allardyce >> C 41 BULLET >> Detroit >> ~_/)~ >> >> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Mast Rake for C 41
How do you intend to change the rake? It's a bigger project than you think. You'll need to consider placement of the foot in the step and the shims at the partners and the head stay length and the back stay length. If you have a headsail furler changing the headstay length is going to be further complicated. What makes you think that the rake needs changed? You may simply find that changing the ratio of mainsail size to headsail size is the trick to easing weather helm. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sat, Aug 4, 2018, 10:04 AM Doug Allardyce via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I'm looking for advice on what mast rake works best for a C 41 > > Doug Allardyce > C 41 BULLET > Detroit > ~_/)~ > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Mast Rake for C 41
Doug, I use about 1 degree on Touche', 35-1. That equates to about 11-12 inches aft of the mast along the boom. Touche' has a P dimension of 38 feet. That's about 0.3 inches per foot of the P dimension. (There's a joke in there somewhere.) Your 41 should be similar. The weather helm is still nicely manageable with a 155% genoa. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 9:03 AM, Doug Allardyce via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I'm looking for advice on what mast rake works best for a C 41 > > Doug Allardyce > C 41 BULLET > Detroit > ~_/)~ > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Mast Rake for C 41
I'm looking for advice on what mast rake works best for a C 41 Doug Allardyce C 41 BULLET Detroit ~_/)~ ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
