Re: Stus-List Materials for a hard bimini?

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Meant to add, the Home Depot sheeting is smooth on one side and pebbled on the 
other and you don't have to paint it.


> On March 16, 2018 at 11:47 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm going to try to build a hard bimini.  The plan is to trace the shape 
> of the frame onto pieces of 2x6, cut them to shape and then screw a piece of 
> cheap plywood to the 2x6s to have the right shape.  I'm looking for something 
> flexible that will give the underside a nice smooth finish than can be 
> expoyed to fiberglass and painted.  The rest will be glass mat, foam core, 
> epoxy, more mat etc.  I know I could just add more epoxy and sand it, but I 
> rather avoid all that labor.
> 
> Any suggestions on materials for the finished underside?  
> 
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Re: Stus-List Materials for a hard bimini?

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Home Depot sells a fiberglass sheet 4' x 8' and you could use that to make the 
finished side. It's less than 1/8" thick so you can bend it pretty easy. Comes 
in White or Ivory. There are Youtube videos that show some results.


> On March 16, 2018 at 11:47 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm going to try to build a hard bimini.  The plan is to trace the shape 
> of the frame onto pieces of 2x6, cut them to shape and then screw a piece of 
> cheap plywood to the 2x6s to have the right shape.  I'm looking for something 
> flexible that will give the underside a nice smooth finish than can be 
> expoyed to fiberglass and painted.  The rest will be glass mat, foam core, 
> epoxy, more mat etc.  I know I could just add more epoxy and sand it, but I 
> rather avoid all that labor.
> 
> Any suggestions on materials for the finished underside?  
> 
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Re: Stus-List Materials for a hard bimini?

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Joel,

 

FWIW, after the recent discussion started by Bruce Whitmore (IIRC) about a hard 
dodger for his 37/40, I contacted Hard to Top (www.hardtotop.com 
<http://www.hardtotop.com> ) about a hard dodger for my 38. The quote for a 90” 
x 46” hard dodger with height and shape specific to my boat, with track on 3 
sides for canvas panels, a stainless frame, and shipping from Florida to North 
Carolina was just over $1000. The hard top is poly carbonate. My quote included 
an aluminum edge around the hard top. Delivery in 2 to 3 weeks. And the dodger 
is warranted for 10 years.  I was really surprised at how low the price was.

 

In looking at the website, it appears that he company builds a lot more bimini 
tops than dodgers.

 

Have you considered that option?

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 11:48 AM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Stus-List Materials for a hard bimini?

 

I'm going to try to build a hard bimini.  The plan is to trace the shape of the 
frame onto pieces of 2x6, cut them to shape and then screw a piece of cheap 
plywood to the 2x6s to have the right shape.  I'm looking for something 
flexible that will give the underside a nice smooth finish than can be expoyed 
to fiberglass and painted.  The rest will be glass mat, foam core, epoxy, more 
mat etc.  I know I could just add more epoxy and sand it, but I rather avoid 
all that labor.

 

Any suggestions on materials for the finished underside?  

 

Joel 
301 541 8551

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Re: Stus-List Materials for a hard bimini?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I used that to cover a berth flat once.  Most glues and adhesives don't
work well with the stuff.  Need special FRP adhesive.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Joel — how about fiberglass wall panel material?
>
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/1-16-in-x-4-ft-x-8-ft-Plastic-
> Panel-63003/202090190
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Mar 16, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I'm going to try to build a hard bimini.  The plan is to trace the shape
> of the frame onto pieces of 2x6, cut them to shape and then screw a piece
> of cheap plywood to the 2x6s to have the right shape.  I'm looking for
> something flexible that will give the underside a nice smooth finish than
> can be expoyed to fiberglass and painted.  The rest will be glass mat, foam
> core, epoxy, more mat etc.  I know I could just add more epoxy and sand it,
> but I rather avoid all that labor.
>
> Any suggestions on materials for the finished underside?
>
> Joel
> 301 541 8551 <(301)%20541-8551>
>
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Re: Stus-List Materials for a hard bimini?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Nice write-up.  He did it right on the frame instead of on a form, but same
basic idea.



On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 1:20 PM, M Bodnar via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I had read about someone doing this online - quick search brings up this
> article (plus others)
>
> http://www.cruisingoutpost.com/2012/10/diy-dodger/
>
>  On 2018-03-16 2:13 PM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:
>
> FWIW, looking at the adhesives that are re commended, not sure that epoxy
> will bond very well with this.  Also, expansion rate for th is matwrial may
> create an issue for thius applications.
> But, may be worth a try, it's cheap enough.
> Like to hear if my concerns are born out when you fi mish project.
> Bill Walker
> CnC 36
> Pentwater, Mi
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>
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> On Friday, March 16, 2018 Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Fred,
>
> I'll take a look.  I know one side is textured, but that could be side
> that we bond to if we just use more epoxy.
>
> Joel
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Joel — how about fiberglass wall panel material?
>>
>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/1-16-in-x-4-ft-x-8-ft-Plastic-Pa
>> nel-63003/202090190
>>
>> — Fred
>>
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to try to build a hard bimini.  The plan is to trace the shape
>> of the frame onto pieces of 2x6, cut them to shape and then screw a piece
>> of cheap plywood to the 2x6s to have the right shape.  I'm looking for
>> something flexible that will give the underside a nice smooth finish than
>> can be expoyed to fiberglass and painted.  The rest will be glass mat, foam
>> core, epoxy, more mat etc.  I know I could just add more epoxy and sand it,
>> but I rather avoid all that labor.
>>
>> Any suggestions on materials for the finished underside?
>>
>> Joel
>> 301 541 8551 <%28301%29%20541-8551>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Materials for a hard bimini?

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

There’s a West System product (not the regular epoxy) that I used to bond 
starboard to wood due to its high adhesive strength for plastic.  I think it’s 
called G-Flex or something.  There’s a prep procedure which includes lightly 
torching the surface of the plastic.  I made a shelf for the cockpit that has 
held up for two seasons without any signs of an issue.

From: William Walker via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 1:13 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: wwadjo...@aol.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Materials for a hard bimini?

FWIW, looking at the adhesives that are re commended, not sure that epoxy will 
bond very well with this.  Also, expansion rate for th is matwrial may create 
an issue for thius applications. 
But, may be worth a try, it's cheap enough.
Like to hear if my concerns are born out when you fi mish project.
Bill Walker 
CnC 36
Pentwater, Mi

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On Friday, March 16, 2018 Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
wrote:


Fred, 

I'll take a look.  I know one side is textured, but that could be side that we 
bond to if we just use more epoxy.

Joel

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Joel — how about fiberglass wall panel material? 

  
https://www.homedepot.com/p/1-16-in-x-4-ft-x-8-ft-Plastic-Panel-63003/202090190

  — Fred


  Fred Street -- Minneapolis
  S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


On Mar 16, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I'm going to try to build a hard bimini.  The plan is to trace the shape of 
the frame onto pieces of 2x6, cut them to shape and then screw a piece of cheap 
plywood to the 2x6s to have the right shape.  I'm looking for something 
flexible that will give the underside a nice smooth finish than can be expoyed 
to fiberglass and painted.  The rest will be glass mat, foam core, epoxy, more 
mat etc.  I know I could just add more epoxy and sand it, but I rather avoid 
all that labor. 

Any suggestions on materials for the finished underside?  

Joel 
301 541 8551

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Re: Stus-List Materials for a hard bimini?

[M Bodnar via CnC-List]

  
  
I had read about someone doing this online - quick search brings
  up this article (plus others)

http://www.cruisingoutpost.com/2012/10/diy-dodger/




On 2018-03-16 2:13 PM, William Walker
  via CnC-List wrote:


  FWIW, looking at the adhesives that are re commended,
not sure that epoxy will bond very well with this.  Also,
expansion rate for th is matwrial may create an issue for thius
applications. 
But, may be worth a try, it's cheap enough.
Like to hear if my concerns are born out when you fi mish
project.
Bill Walker 
CnC 36
Pentwater, Mi
  Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
  
  
  On
Friday, March 16, 2018 Joel Aronson via CnC-List  wrote:
  
  

  Fred,


I'll take a look.  I know one side is textured, but
  that could be side that we bond to if we just use more
  epoxy.


Joel
  
  
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 11:56 AM,
  Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
  wrote:
  
Joel
  — how about fiberglass wall panel material?
  
  
  https://www.homedepot.com/p/1-16-in-x-4-ft-x-8-ft-Plastic-Panel-63003/202090190
  
  
  — Fred

  
  
  Fred Street -- Minneapolis
  S/V Oceanis (1979
  C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in
  Bayfield, WI   :^(



  

  
On Mar 16, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Joel
  Aronson via CnC-List 
  wrote:


  I'm going to try to build a
hard bimini.  The plan is to trace the
shape of the frame onto pieces of 2x6,
cut them to shape and then screw a piece
of cheap plywood to the 2x6s to have the
right shape.  I'm looking for something
flexible that will give the underside a
nice smooth finish than can be expoyed
to fiberglass and painted.  The rest
will be glass mat, foam core, epoxy,
more mat etc.  I know I could just add
more epoxy and sand it, but I rather
avoid all that labor.


Any suggestions on materials for
  the finished underside?  

  Joel

301 541
  8551

  

  

  

  


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Re: Stus-List Materials for a hard bimini?

[William Walker via CnC-List]

FWIW, looking at the adhesives that are re commended, not sure that epoxy will 
bond very well with this.  Also, expansion rate for th is matwrial may create 
an issue for thius applications. 
But, may be worth a try, it's cheap enough.
Like to hear if my concerns are born out when you fi mish project.
Bill Walker 
CnC 36
Pentwater, Mi

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

On Friday, March 16, 2018 Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
wrote:

Fred,


I'll take a look.  I know one side is textured, but that could be side that we 
bond to if we just use more epoxy.


Joel


On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Joel — how about fiberglass wall panel material?


https://www.homedepot.com/p/1-16-in-x-4-ft-x-8-ft-Plastic-Panel-63003/202090190


— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


On Mar 16, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
wrote:


I'm going to try to build a hard bimini.  The plan is to trace the shape of the 
frame onto pieces of 2x6, cut them to shape and then screw a piece of cheap 
plywood to the 2x6s to have the right shape.  I'm looking for something 
flexible that will give the underside a nice smooth finish than can be expoyed 
to fiberglass and painted.  The rest will be glass mat, foam core, epoxy, more 
mat etc.  I know I could just add more epoxy and sand it, but I rather avoid 
all that labor.


Any suggestions on materials for the finished underside?  


Joel 
301 541 8551


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Re: Stus-List Materials for a hard bimini?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Josh,

I did, but I was concerned about being able to bend it evenly.  There is a
slight bend in the center and I want to be able to bend the edges.
A former neighbor had one made from Starboard, but I don't know who made it.

Joel

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Joel, did you think about just using King Starboard for the entire project?
>
> I had my dodger made by a company who used 1/2 thick starboard.  They
> plastic welded a track for the canvas sides and windows.  Someone was
> recently posting about a similar company who IIRC was quoting $1500 for a
> bimini.
>
> Just a thought,
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 11:48 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to try to build a hard bimini.  The plan is to trace the shape
>> of the frame onto pieces of 2x6, cut them to shape and then screw a piece
>> of cheap plywood to the 2x6s to have the right shape.  I'm looking for
>> something flexible that will give the underside a nice smooth finish than
>> can be expoyed to fiberglass and painted.  The rest will be glass mat, foam
>> core, epoxy, more mat etc.  I know I could just add more epoxy and sand it,
>> but I rather avoid all that labor.
>>
>> Any suggestions on materials for the finished underside?
>>
>> Joel
>> 301 541 8551 <(301)%20541-8551>
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[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Hi Joel

I tried that a few years ago with my dodger.  I used the old frame for the 
shape and FRP from Home Depot.  Tried laminating two pieces of FRP together.  
It wasn’t rigid enough.  Also someone told me they are made with polyester 
resin not epoxy.  

If you google hard dodger I’m sure there will be lots of sites showing what has 
been done.

Good luck keep us posted.

Mike
PERSUASION
C&C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Mar 16, 2018, at 11:47 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm going to try to build a hard bimini.  The plan is to trace the shape of 
> the frame onto pieces of 2x6, cut them to shape and then screw a piece of 
> cheap plywood to the 2x6s to have the right shape.  I'm looking for something 
> flexible that will give the underside a nice smooth finish than can be 
> expoyed to fiberglass and painted.  The rest will be glass mat, foam core, 
> epoxy, more mat etc.  I know I could just add more epoxy and sand it, but I 
> rather avoid all that labor.
> 
> Any suggestions on materials for the finished underside?  
> 
> Joel 
> 301 541 8551
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[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Joel, did you think about just using King Starboard for the entire project?

I had my dodger made by a company who used 1/2 thick starboard.  They
plastic welded a track for the canvas sides and windows.  Someone was
recently posting about a similar company who IIRC was quoting $1500 for a
bimini.

Just a thought,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 11:48 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm going to try to build a hard bimini.  The plan is to trace the shape
> of the frame onto pieces of 2x6, cut them to shape and then screw a piece
> of cheap plywood to the 2x6s to have the right shape.  I'm looking for
> something flexible that will give the underside a nice smooth finish than
> can be expoyed to fiberglass and painted.  The rest will be glass mat, foam
> core, epoxy, more mat etc.  I know I could just add more epoxy and sand it,
> but I rather avoid all that labor.
>
> Any suggestions on materials for the finished underside?
>
> Joel
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[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Fred,

I'll take a look.  I know one side is textured, but that could be side that
we bond to if we just use more epoxy.

Joel

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Joel — how about fiberglass wall panel material?
>
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/1-16-in-x-4-ft-x-8-ft-Plastic-
> Panel-63003/202090190
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Mar 16, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I'm going to try to build a hard bimini.  The plan is to trace the shape
> of the frame onto pieces of 2x6, cut them to shape and then screw a piece
> of cheap plywood to the 2x6s to have the right shape.  I'm looking for
> something flexible that will give the underside a nice smooth finish than
> can be expoyed to fiberglass and painted.  The rest will be glass mat, foam
> core, epoxy, more mat etc.  I know I could just add more epoxy and sand it,
> but I rather avoid all that labor.
>
> Any suggestions on materials for the finished underside?
>
> Joel
> 301 541 8551 <(301)%20541-8551>
>
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[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Joel — how about fiberglass wall panel material?

https://www.homedepot.com/p/1-16-in-x-4-ft-x-8-ft-Plastic-Panel-63003/202090190 


— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Mar 16, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm going to try to build a hard bimini.  The plan is to trace the shape of 
> the frame onto pieces of 2x6, cut them to shape and then screw a piece of 
> cheap plywood to the 2x6s to have the right shape.  I'm looking for something 
> flexible that will give the underside a nice smooth finish than can be 
> expoyed to fiberglass and painted.  The rest will be glass mat, foam core, 
> epoxy, more mat etc.  I know I could just add more epoxy and sand it, but I 
> rather avoid all that labor.
> 
> Any suggestions on materials for the finished underside?  
> 
> Joel 
> 301 541 8551
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[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I'm going to try to build a hard bimini.  The plan is to trace the shape of
the frame onto pieces of 2x6, cut them to shape and then screw a piece of
cheap plywood to the 2x6s to have the right shape.  I'm looking for
something flexible that will give the underside a nice smooth finish than
can be expoyed to fiberglass and painted.  The rest will be glass mat, foam
core, epoxy, more mat etc.  I know I could just add more epoxy and sand it,
but I rather avoid all that labor.

Any suggestions on materials for the finished underside?

Joel
301 541 8551
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