Re: Stus-List Maximum/Optimum Rudder Travel

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Dennis

After reading what others have said went back out to the boat and redid 
the measurement and it came out approximately the same - 67 degrees 
either direction for 134 degrees travel lock to lock. However, sailing 
on a tack the helm is move no more than 1/16 of a full turn, before the 
wind with swells that want to kick the stern around the helm is 
traversed no more than a quarter of a turn, for fast/hard tack maybe 
maybe a 1/2 turn.  The only time we ever used a single full turn is when 
we run out of air and the boat gets a mind of its own. Then it is used 
as a scull to get the boat pointed in the right direction. The wheel is 
off the boat so we can easily work on her, but I may mount one and see 
what rudder angles I get for different position/turns of the wheel.


BTW: The boat has two wheels one for cruising (original) and one for 
racing. The racing wheel is a large diameter that let you steer from 
either windward or leeward comfortably, but you can't get by it in the 
cockpit.


Don Kern
Fireball C Mk2
Bristol, RI



On 4/23/2019 7:35 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

Don,

Just to clarify, are you saying 65 each side for 130 degrees total travel?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 9:09 AM Don Kern via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


FWIW - I just went out to my side yard and checked were Fireballs
stops are set.  Interestingly they are set at 65 deg., a lot more
than I expected since her rudder is two inches longer in girth
than a standard C 35 Mk2.

Don Kern
Fireball, C MK2
Bristol, RI





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Re: Stus-List Maximum/Optimum Rudder Travel

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Don,

Just to clarify, are you saying 65 each side for 130 degrees total travel?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 9:09 AM Don Kern via CnC-List 
wrote:

> FWIW - I just went out to my side yard and checked were Fireballs stops
> are set.  Interestingly they are set at 65 deg., a lot more than I expected
> since her rudder is two inches longer in girth than a standard C 35 Mk2.
> Don Kern
> Fireball, C MK2
> Bristol, RI
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Maximum/Optimum Rudder Travel

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

FWIW - I just went out to my side yard and checked were Fireballs stops 
are set.  Interestingly they are set at 65 deg., a lot more than I 
expected since her rudder is two inches longer in girth than a standard 
C 35 Mk2.


Don Kern
Fireball, C MK2
Bristol, RI


On 4/23/2019 9:12 AM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List wrote:

Dennis,
To echo Rob’s concerns regarding the creation of a robust rudder stop, 
if the previous iteration utilized two bolts inserted in the steering 
chain, I would take a thorough inspection of the pedestal sprocket. 
 Steel bolts coming into contact with bronze sprocket teeth under load 
or at high speed won’t be kind to the teeth.  Sprocket and chain 
replacement might be advised (unless if your pedestal is made by Morch 
or Cinkel in which case you’re out of luck finding a new sprocket).
Adding some heavy rubber bumpers or cushioning shock absorbers on your 
new rudder stop plate might allow it to last longer and be kinder to 
the new bulkhead as well.  A cut up piece of old exhaust hose might do 
the trick.

Cheers and best of luck,
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 35 LF
Padanaram, MA

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 23, 2019, at 8:31 AM, John Irvin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



That’s one of the great features of these designs.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 23, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


And that 36 degrees, in both of my C (a 27 MKII and my current 
37/40+) have been enough to turn the boat in its own boat length 
going down a fairway between docks.


More than enough maneuverability in my opinion... :)

Thanks Rob!

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Re: Stus-List Maximum/Optimum Rudder Travel

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Chuck,

You guys are dead on.  Your concerns have already been incorporated into
the project.

Your advice on the Morch pedestal several months ago stopped me from
pulling the shaft and sprocket.  Yes, some of the teeth are damaged but
there are enough undamaged teeth for proper operation.

The bulkhead I've installed is probably more substantial than that
installed on the later hulls of the 35-1 production run.  As a recovering
engineer, I tend to overbuild things.

I have 1/4 inch rubber pads behind each strike plate on the bulkhead to
cushion the impact.

All of these concerns and their solutions will be in the detailed project
documentation which I will post once I complete the project.  I hope to
complete the project this week.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 8:13 AM Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis,
> To echo Rob’s concerns regarding the creation of a robust rudder stop, if
> the previous iteration utilized two bolts inserted in the steering chain, I
> would take a thorough inspection of the pedestal sprocket.  Steel bolts
> coming into contact with bronze sprocket teeth under load or at high speed
> won’t be kind to the teeth.  Sprocket and chain replacement might be
> advised (unless if your pedestal is made by Morch or Cinkel in which case
> you’re out of luck finding a new sprocket).
> Adding some heavy rubber bumpers or cushioning shock absorbers on your new
> rudder stop plate might allow it to last longer and be kinder to the new
> bulkhead as well.  A cut up piece of old exhaust hose might do the trick.
> Cheers and best of luck,
> Chuck Gilchrest
> S/V Half Magic
> 1983 35 LF
> Padanaram, MA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 23, 2019, at 8:31 AM, John Irvin via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> That’s one of the great features of these designs.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 23, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> And that 36 degrees, in both of my C (a 27 MKII and my current 37/40+)
> have been enough to turn the boat in its own boat length going down a
> fairway between docks.
>
> More than enough maneuverability in my opinion... :)
>
> Thanks Rob!
>
> Bruce Whitmore
>
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Maximum/Optimum Rudder Travel

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Thanks, Rob.

That's exactly the info I needed.  It also confirms what I'm seeing with
the reassembly.  The cables coming out of the groove at the end of travel.
I will include this info in my documentation.

This has been a trial and error process at this point.  I can move forward
now.  Sucks having a boat with no steering.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 7:08 AM Rob Ball via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Most all quadrants are built for a total travel 72 degrees, 36 degrees
> each way . . . (historical convention)
>
> If you turn the rudder farther than that, the cables start coming out of
> the groove that holds them on the quadrant.
>
> The largest loads that the whole steering system experiences happens when
> a boat is moving in reverse at speed, and the wheel or tiller is released.
> The ensuing snap of the rudder – hits the rudder stops, and that’s when
> something might break.
>
> Bottom line – check that your rudder stops are robust and up to the job  .
> . . .
>
> Rob Ball   C 34
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Re: Stus-List Maximum/Optimum Rudder Travel

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Dennis,
To echo Rob’s concerns regarding the creation of a robust rudder stop, if the 
previous iteration utilized two bolts inserted in the steering chain, I would 
take a thorough inspection of the pedestal sprocket.  Steel bolts coming into 
contact with bronze sprocket teeth under load or at high speed won’t be kind to 
the teeth.  Sprocket and chain replacement might be advised (unless if your 
pedestal is made by Morch or Cinkel in which case you’re out of luck finding a 
new sprocket).
Adding some heavy rubber bumpers or cushioning shock absorbers on your new 
rudder stop plate might allow it to last longer and be kinder to the new 
bulkhead as well.  A cut up piece of old exhaust hose might do the trick.
Cheers and best of luck,
Chuck Gilchrest 
S/V Half Magic 
1983 35 LF
Padanaram, MA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 23, 2019, at 8:31 AM, John Irvin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> That’s one of the great features of these designs.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 23, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
>> And that 36 degrees, in both of my C (a 27 MKII and my current 37/40+) 
>> have been enough to turn the boat in its own boat length going down a 
>> fairway between docks.  
>> 
>> More than enough maneuverability in my opinion... :)
>> 
>> Thanks Rob!
>> 
>> Bruce Whitmore
>> 
>> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
>> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Maximum/Optimum Rudder Travel

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

That’s one of the great features of these designs.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 23, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

And that 36 degrees, in both of my C (a 27 MKII and my current 37/40+) have 
been enough to turn the boat in its own boat length going down a fairway 
between docks.

More than enough maneuverability in my opinion... :)

Thanks Rob!

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Re: Stus-List Maximum/Optimum Rudder Travel

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

And that 36 degrees, in both of my C (a 27 MKII and my current 37/40+) have 
been enough to turn the boat in its own boat length going down a fairway 
between docks.  

More than enough maneuverability in my opinion... :)
Thanks Rob!

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bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
 

  
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Stus-List Maximum/Optimum Rudder Travel

[Rob Ball via CnC-List]

Most all quadrants are built for a total travel 72 degrees, 36 degrees each way 
. . . (historical convention)
If you turn the rudder farther than that, the cables start coming out of the 
groove that holds them on the quadrant.
The largest loads that the whole steering system experiences happens when a 
boat is moving in reverse at speed, and the wheel or tiller is released.  The 
ensuing snap of the rudder – hits the rudder stops, and that’s when something 
might break.
Bottom line – check that your rudder stops are robust and up to the job  . . . .
Rob Ball   C 34
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Re: Stus-List Maximum/Optimum Rudder Travel

[Kurt Heckert via CnC-List]

The rudder will start causing drag at about 5 degrees, 30 - 35 degrees is 
usually more than enough.

Kurt & Connie Heckert


On Mon, 4/22/19, Dennis C. via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Stus-List Maximum/Optimum Rudder Travel
 To: "CnClist" 
 Cc: "Dennis C." 
 Date: Monday, April 22, 2019, 9:08 PM
 
 I am putting Touche's
 steering system back together with the upgraded rudder
 travel limiting bulkhead installed in the later model
 35-1's.  Some may recall my post some time back that
 rudder travel was limited by two small bolts installed in
 the last links on each side of the chain.
 I used a sketch that Neil Gallagher sent me of
 his rudder limit plate to make wooden templates to tweak for
 finalizing the shape before cutting aluminum ones.  These
 plates strike the newly installed bulkhead.
 
 As a note, I have taken lots of pictures and am
 well documenting this entire project.
 
 When I tried moving the rudder side to side with
 the limit plate templates installed, the rudder travel
 wasn't even close to what I saw when the travel was
 limited by the nuts installed in the chain.  There were 4-5
 links of chain left before getting to the link that the stop
 bolts were installed in.
 So I looked at the top of the rudder to see how
 much travel it was getting.  It's getting a bit over 45
 degrees each side of midships.  Sheesh, it must have been
 getting to 60 or 70 degrees with the old limit
 system.
 At 45 degrees, the pulling cable is competely off
 the curved part of the quadrant.
 So, my question is "how much rudder travel
 is enough?"  Seems to me anything past 45 degrees or
 so might act more like a brake.  I can't see using
 extreme rudder travel anywhere except in tight quarters in a
 marina.
 Can I live with 45 degrees?  Rob? 
 Chuck?
 Dennis C.Touche' 35-1
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Re: Stus-List Maximum/Optimum Rudder Travel

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Shawn, I think you're overthinking things. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

FWIW, I would think 30 degrees rudder travel is the maximum you need. The wheel 
is geared and our wheel turns about 1 and 1/4 turn stop to stop. I never use 
extreme rudder. Our wheel has eight spokes and one spoke from centerline is 
about the max we use for upwind weatherhelm.
I think 3/4 spoke is what is needed to correct for propwash when motoring.
Edson limits rudder travel with stops or a cable.

Chuck S


> On April 22, 2019 at 9:51 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Probably not useful information, but the 35-2 we are buying gives just 
> over 1 turn of the wheel on each side of centre. I haven't confirmed what 
> this looks like down below, but will be interested in the answer you get from 
> the experts.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 6:09 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List < 
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> > > I am putting Touche's steering system back together with 
> the upgraded rudder travel limiting bulkhead installed in the later model 
> 35-1's.  Some may recall my post some time back that rudder travel was 
> limited by two small bolts installed in the last links on each side of the 
> chain.
> > 
> > I used a sketch that Neil Gallagher sent me of his rudder limit 
> > plate to make wooden templates to tweak for finalizing the shape before 
> > cutting aluminum ones.  These plates strike the newly installed bulkhead.
> > 
> > As a note, I have taken lots of pictures and am well documenting 
> > this entire project.
> > 
> > When I tried moving the rudder side to side with the limit plate 
> > templates installed, the rudder travel wasn't even close to what I saw when 
> > the travel was limited by the nuts installed in the chain.  There were 4-5 
> > links of chain left before getting to the link that the stop bolts were 
> > installed in.
> > 
> > So I looked at the top of the rudder to see how much travel it was 
> > getting.  It's getting a bit over 45 degrees each side of midships.  
> > Sheesh, it must have been getting to 60 or 70 degrees with the old limit 
> > system.
> > 
> > At 45 degrees, the pulling cable is competely off the curved part 
> > of the quadrant.
> > 
> > So, my question is "how much rudder travel is enough?"  Seems to me 
> > anything past 45 degrees or so might act more like a brake.  I can't see 
> > using extreme rudder travel anywhere except in tight quarters in a marina.
> > 
> > Can I live with 45 degrees?  Rob?  Chuck?
> > 
> > Dennis C.
> > Touche' 35-1 #83
> > Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Maximum/Optimum Rudder Travel

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

I recently read of an account where a rudder was jammed so hard against the
hull when reversing and a steering cable broke, that it caused a loss of
steering; even the emergency tiller was unable to break it loose. So I
would imagine ensuring this can't happen at the very least should be the
goal, but maybe that's already obvious - just a newbie here. :)

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 6:51 PM Dave. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Interesting question Dennis. We steer with a tiller and I don’t think we
> ever go past 45 degrees. That a lot of rudder but maybe it is nice to know
> you still have more if you need it. I’m interested to hear what other wheel
> steerers think.
> Dave. Kaseler
> SLY
> 1975 C 33
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Apr 22, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am putting Touche's steering system back together with the upgraded
> rudder travel limiting bulkhead installed in the later model 35-1's.  Some
> may recall my post some time back that rudder travel was limited by two
> small bolts installed in the last links on each side of the chain.
> >
> > I used a sketch that Neil Gallagher sent me of his rudder limit plate to
> make wooden templates to tweak for finalizing the shape before cutting
> aluminum ones.  These plates strike the newly installed bulkhead.
> >
> > As a note, I have taken lots of pictures and am well documenting this
> entire project.
> >
> > When I tried moving the rudder side to side with the limit plate
> templates installed, the rudder travel wasn't even close to what I saw when
> the travel was limited by the nuts installed in the chain.  There were 4-5
> links of chain left before getting to the link that the stop bolts were
> installed in.
> >
> > So I looked at the top of the rudder to see how much travel it was
> getting.  It's getting a bit over 45 degrees each side of midships.
> Sheesh, it must have been getting to 60 or 70 degrees with the old limit
> system.
> >
> > At 45 degrees, the pulling cable is competely off the curved part of the
> quadrant.
> >
> > So, my question is "how much rudder travel is enough?"  Seems to me
> anything past 45 degrees or so might act more like a brake.  I can't see
> using extreme rudder travel anywhere except in tight quarters in a marina.
> >
> > Can I live with 45 degrees?  Rob?  Chuck?
> >
> > Dennis C.
> > Touche' 35-1 #83
> > Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Maximum/Optimum Rudder Travel

[Dave. via CnC-List]

Interesting question Dennis. We steer with a tiller and I don’t think we ever 
go past 45 degrees. That a lot of rudder but maybe it is nice to know you still 
have more if you need it. I’m interested to hear what other wheel steerers 
think.
Dave. Kaseler
SLY
1975 C 33
Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 22, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I am putting Touche's steering system back together with the upgraded rudder 
> travel limiting bulkhead installed in the later model 35-1's.  Some may 
> recall my post some time back that rudder travel was limited by two small 
> bolts installed in the last links on each side of the chain.
> 
> I used a sketch that Neil Gallagher sent me of his rudder limit plate to make 
> wooden templates to tweak for finalizing the shape before cutting aluminum 
> ones.  These plates strike the newly installed bulkhead.
> 
> As a note, I have taken lots of pictures and am well documenting this entire 
> project.
> 
> When I tried moving the rudder side to side with the limit plate templates 
> installed, the rudder travel wasn't even close to what I saw when the travel 
> was limited by the nuts installed in the chain.  There were 4-5 links of 
> chain left before getting to the link that the stop bolts were installed in.
> 
> So I looked at the top of the rudder to see how much travel it was getting.  
> It's getting a bit over 45 degrees each side of midships.  Sheesh, it must 
> have been getting to 60 or 70 degrees with the old limit system.
> 
> At 45 degrees, the pulling cable is competely off the curved part of the 
> quadrant.
> 
> So, my question is "how much rudder travel is enough?"  Seems to me anything 
> past 45 degrees or so might act more like a brake.  I can't see using extreme 
> rudder travel anywhere except in tight quarters in a marina.
> 
> Can I live with 45 degrees?  Rob?  Chuck?
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Maximum/Optimum Rudder Travel

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Probably not useful information, but the 35-2 we are buying gives just over
1 turn of the wheel on each side of centre. I haven't confirmed what this
looks like down below, but will be interested in the answer you get from
the experts.


On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 6:09 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I am putting Touche's steering system back together with the upgraded
> rudder travel limiting bulkhead installed in the later model 35-1's.  Some
> may recall my post some time back that rudder travel was limited by two
> small bolts installed in the last links on each side of the chain.
>
> I used a sketch that Neil Gallagher sent me of his rudder limit plate to
> make wooden templates to tweak for finalizing the shape before cutting
> aluminum ones.  These plates strike the newly installed bulkhead.
>
> As a note, I have taken lots of pictures and am well documenting this
> entire project.
>
> When I tried moving the rudder side to side with the limit plate templates
> installed, the rudder travel wasn't even close to what I saw when the
> travel was limited by the nuts installed in the chain.  There were 4-5
> links of chain left before getting to the link that the stop bolts were
> installed in.
>
> So I looked at the top of the rudder to see how much travel it was
> getting.  It's getting a bit over 45 degrees each side of midships.
> Sheesh, it must have been getting to 60 or 70 degrees with the old limit
> system.
>
> At 45 degrees, the pulling cable is competely off the curved part of the
> quadrant.
>
> So, my question is "how much rudder travel is enough?"  Seems to me
> anything past 45 degrees or so might act more like a brake.  I can't see
> using extreme rudder travel anywhere except in tight quarters in a marina.
>
> Can I live with 45 degrees?  Rob?  Chuck?
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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>
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> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
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>

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Stus-List Maximum/Optimum Rudder Travel

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I am putting Touche's steering system back together with the upgraded
rudder travel limiting bulkhead installed in the later model 35-1's.  Some
may recall my post some time back that rudder travel was limited by two
small bolts installed in the last links on each side of the chain.

I used a sketch that Neil Gallagher sent me of his rudder limit plate to
make wooden templates to tweak for finalizing the shape before cutting
aluminum ones.  These plates strike the newly installed bulkhead.

As a note, I have taken lots of pictures and am well documenting this
entire project.

When I tried moving the rudder side to side with the limit plate templates
installed, the rudder travel wasn't even close to what I saw when the
travel was limited by the nuts installed in the chain.  There were 4-5
links of chain left before getting to the link that the stop bolts were
installed in.

So I looked at the top of the rudder to see how much travel it was
getting.  It's getting a bit over 45 degrees each side of midships.
Sheesh, it must have been getting to 60 or 70 degrees with the old limit
system.

At 45 degrees, the pulling cable is competely off the curved part of the
quadrant.

So, my question is "how much rudder travel is enough?"  Seems to me
anything past 45 degrees or so might act more like a brake.  I can't see
using extreme rudder travel anywhere except in tight quarters in a marina.

Can I live with 45 degrees?  Rob?  Chuck?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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