Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Yes.  By "fresh water cooled" I mean my Atomic 4 has a closed loop cooling 
system with a heat exchanger circulating a mixture of water and antifreeze 
(just like a car).  It then goes through a heat exchanger that dissipates the 
engine heat into seawater that's pumped into the exchanger.  I primarily sail 
in salt water... Hence the "fresh water cooled" description.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 16:11, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Boats without a closed loop coolant system are called “raw water cooled”.
>  
> Jake
>  
> Jake Brodersen
> C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”
> Hampton VA
>  
>  
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant
>  
> If your boat is fresh water cooled then it should not have anti freeze in it 
> at all . 
> 
> Sent from Joe Bognar
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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Boats without a closed loop coolant system are called “raw water cooled”.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA

 

 

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If your boat is fresh water cooled then it should not have anti freeze in it at 
all . 

Sent from Joe Bognar

 

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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

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You need antifreeze for winter storage in climates which freeze. Plumbing 
antifreeze is fine as it's biodegradable.

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

If your boat is fresh water cooled then it should not have anti freeze in it at 
all . 

Sent from Joe Bognar



On Jan 30, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:


Thanks very much.  Yes it's a fresh water-cooled A4.  Joseph, I am going to 
check the sump near the mast step too, but based on where it's pooling I think 
it's coming from the bilge just forward of the motor under the cabin sole - the 
hardest spot to reach.


John, if that turns out not to be where it is coming from, I'm definitely going 
to head to the boat at night and get out my flashlight.  Good advice!


Thanks again 

Sent from my iPhone

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Mike — there are actually at least a couple of women on the list, as well… FYI… 
  :^)


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


On Jan 30, 2016, at 6:19 AM, Headgorilla via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:


Good Morning Men...
 


Mike
Skywalker 1978 34"
Southold, NY 


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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Mike — there are actually at least a couple of women on the list, as well… FYI… 
  :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
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> Good Morning Men...
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> 
> Mike
> Skywalker 1978 34"
> Southold, NY 

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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Thanks very much.  Yes it's a fresh water-cooled A4.  Joseph, I am going to 
check the sump near the mast step too, but based on where it's pooling I think 
it's coming from the bilge just forward of the motor under the cabin sole - the 
hardest spot to reach.

John, if that turns out not to be where it is coming from, I'm definitely going 
to head to the boat at night and get out my flashlight.  Good advice!

Thanks again 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 11:40, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
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> Mike — there are actually at least a couple of women on the list, as well… 
> FYI…   :^)
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 6:19 AM, Headgorilla via CnC-List 
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>> Good Morning Men...
>>  
>> 
>> Mike
>> Skywalker 1978 34"
>> Southold, NY 
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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[sthoma20--- via CnC-List]

You could also try arranging some white paper towels on a cookie sheet or bits 
of plywood under the engine. Pumps are a particular candidate for suspicion in 
my opinion, especially when temperature changes appear to be a factor. 

Steve Thomas
C 
Merritt Island, FL


 Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  wrote: 
> Thanks very much.  Yes it's a fresh water-cooled A4.  Joseph, I am going to 
> check the sump near the mast step too, but based on where it's pooling I 
> think it's coming from the bilge just forward of the motor under the cabin 
> sole - the hardest spot to reach.
> 
> John, if that turns out not to be where it is coming from, I'm definitely 
> going to head to the boat at night and get out my flashlight.  Good advice!
> 
> Thanks again 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Joseph Bognar via CnC-List]

If your boat is fresh water cooled then it should not have anti freeze in it at 
all . 

Sent from Joe Bognar


> On Jan 30, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks very much.  Yes it's a fresh water-cooled A4.  Joseph, I am going to 
> check the sump near the mast step too, but based on where it's pooling I 
> think it's coming from the bilge just forward of the motor under the cabin 
> sole - the hardest spot to reach.
> 
> John, if that turns out not to be where it is coming from, I'm definitely 
> going to head to the boat at night and get out my flashlight.  Good advice!
> 
> Thanks again 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 11:40, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Mike — there are actually at least a couple of women on the list, as well… 
>> FYI…   :^)
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 6:19 AM, Headgorilla via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good Morning Men...
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> Skywalker 1978 34"
>>> Southold, NY 
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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Also good ideas.  Thanks.  You guys rock.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 12:39, robert via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> For several winters, I was loosing approx. a cup of engine 
> antifreeze..only in the winter, not during the sailing season.
> 
> I placed white paper towel in plastic trays under the enginefound the 
> location of the leakturned out to be at a loose hose 
> connection.tighten the SS clamps and problem solved.
> 
> Must have been the cold temp causing expansion inside the hose.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
>> On 2016-01-30 1:16 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List wrote:
>> You could also try arranging some white paper towels on a cookie sheet or 
>> bits of plywood under the engine. Pumps are a particular candidate for 
>> suspicion in my opinion, especially when temperature changes appear to be a 
>> factor.
>> 
>> Steve Thomas
>> C
>> Merritt Island, FL
> 
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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Yeah, but they're not the ones crawling around an 
engine looking for leaks. It's good that they 
have the info though, so they can direct the guy on what needs to be done.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet, 35 mk-1
Neanderthal skipper


At 08:40 AM 30/01/2016, you wrote:
Mike — there are actually at least a couple of 
women on the list, as well… FYI…   :^)


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
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On Jan 30, 2016, at 6:19 AM, Headgorilla via 
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Good Morning Men...


Mike
Skywalker 1978 34"
Southold, NY


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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

FWC does not usually mean *literally* fresh water cooled. North of Florida, 
most “FWC” engines use a mix of water and antifreeze. I buy the premix 50/50 
antifreeze myself for my A4. 

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

 

Coquina

C 35 MK I

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

 

If your boat is fresh water cooled then it should not have anti freeze in it at 
all . 

Sent from Joe Bognar

 


On Jan 30, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Thanks very much.  Yes it's a fresh water-cooled A4.  Joseph, I am going to 
check the sump near the mast step too, but based on where it's pooling I think 
it's coming from the bilge just forward of the motor under the cabin sole - the 
hardest spot to reach.

 

John, if that turns out not to be where it is coming from, I'm definitely going 
to head to the boat at night and get out my flashlight.  Good advice!

 

Thanks again 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 30, 2016, at 11:40, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Mike — there are actually at least a couple of women on the list, as well… FYI… 
  :^)


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 

On Jan 30, 2016, at 6:19 AM, Headgorilla via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Good Morning Men...

 

 

Mike

Skywalker 1978 34"

Southold, NY 

 

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Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[robert via CnC-List]

For several winters, I was loosing approx. a cup of engine 
antifreeze..only in the winter, not during the sailing season.


I placed white paper towel in plastic trays under the enginefound 
the location of the leakturned out to be at a loose hose 
connection.tighten the SS clamps and problem solved.


Must have been the cold temp causing expansion inside the hose.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2016-01-30 1:16 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List wrote:

You could also try arranging some white paper towels on a cookie sheet or bits 
of plywood under the engine. Pumps are a particular candidate for suspicion in 
my opinion, especially when temperature changes appear to be a factor.

Steve Thomas
C
Merritt Island, FL





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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Headgorilla via CnC-List]

Well Said Russ, my apologies to all of the ladies! 
 
MIke
Skywalker, 34'
Southold, NY
 
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Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2016 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant



Yeah, but they're not the ones crawling around an engine looking forleaks. It's 
good that they have the info though, so they can direct theguy on what needs to 
be done.

Cheers,Russ
Sweet, 35 mk-1
Neanderthal skipper


At 08:40 AM 30/01/2016, you wrote:

Mike — there are actually atleast a couple of women on the list, as well… FYI…  
:^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
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On Jan 30, 2016, at 6:19 AM,Headgorilla via 
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Good Morning Men...
 

Mike
Skywalker 1978 34"
Southold, NY 

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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Headgorilla via CnC-List]

Good Morning Men,
 
In the early 80's I was crew on a large commercial fishing boat with twin 3408 
CATS. We had a coolant leak we could not find for love nor money.
 
This old CAT mechanic came to the boat finally and showed us the trick to 
visually finding coolant leaks.
 
He made us turn off all the lights in the engine room so it was pitch black, 
then he went down there with just a Maglite and searched over the engines and 
in few minutes was able to find the small bead of antifreeze coming from a 
pinhole in an elbow on the cooling system..

He said that when looking for leaks it is best to do it in complete darkness, 
this way your eyesight is not distracted by all the shadows and colors in a 
lighted engine room or compartment.

I would imagine if you were to pressurize the system (at night) and then look 
with a flashlight, you would find your leak pretty quick...

Mike
Skywalker 1978 34"
Southold, NY 
 
 
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Sent: Fri, Jan 29, 2016 10:00 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant



My A4 is fresh water cooled . If you have Anti Freeze in your motor . I am 
guessing that it is a closed system . You can pressure test your engine. There 
should be a heat exchanger on the engine . There is a sump under your mast step 
on the 30 - 1 also . The antifreeze may be coming from there from a previous 
spill 


Joseph Bognar 
1979 C 30 MK 1 
In Luff Again 11

Sent from Joe Bognar




On Jan 29, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
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Joe and Joel - thank you guys.  Apologies, I was on "digest mode", so I didn't 
see your responses until now.  I know it's engine coolant because as Joe said - 
"nothing else on the boat looks like it".  Joel, I have a feeling you're right 
about the source.  I think there was coolant in the aft part of my bilge - 
either it was spilled or the previous owner intentionally put it down there, 
and when it rains hard it's being pushed into the sump.  If this is the case, 
I'm just surprised that it's retaining it's brilliant fluorescent green color 
after being watered diluted so much.  It's very green.  Looks the same as 
what's in the reservoir.



On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Replying to my own thread again here..  I've read a few times online that 
people sometimes add antifreeze to a wet bilge during the winter.  Now I'm 
wondering if there is some residual antifreeze left in the aft portion of my 
bilge from the previous owner (I bought the boat in Oct), and it's being mixed 
with some rainwater and ending up down there.



On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com> wrote:

I forgot to give the details on my boat - She's a 1976 30 mki and she's 
winterized and up on stands.



On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com> wrote:



Hey everyone, 


Thank you for the responses last week about my tiller - which I went out to 
observe/fix today and then got distracted by another issue - c'est la vie.

Sometimes after heavy precipitation I find engine coolant in my bilge.  This 
ONLY happens after heavy precip - like last week here in NYC. 


I inspected the cooling system plumbing connections and hoses on my A4 and I've 
looked over the engine itself, there are no leaks I can see.  Also, the level 
of coolant in the engine's reservoir has remained constant for months.  

If it was leaking from the motor, the level in the reservoir would be going 
down, right?  That said, the engine is winterized, so the water pump hasn't 
spun since October.

The fact that it only happens after it rains is really confounding me too.  A 
constant leak from the engine would steadily fill my bilge no matter what the 
weather was, right?  The water system on the boat is winterized with pink 
antifreeze, so it's not that.


Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.














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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Can’t think of anything else unless you somehow plumbed a scupper to the heat 
exchanger.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
FWC A4 that so far does not leak coolant

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Just a wild guess:
Someone spilled coolant at one point that is trapped.  Enough rain water gets 
in the bilge to reach the coolant and some of it ends up in the sump.
Joel

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hey everyone,
Thank you for the responses last week about my tiller - which I went out to 
observe/fix today and then got distracted by another issue - c'est la vie.

Sometimes after heavy precipitation I find engine coolant in my bilge.  This 
ONLY happens after heavy precip - like last week here in NYC.

I inspected the cooling system plumbing connections and hoses on my A4 and I've 
looked over the engine itself, there are no leaks I can see.  Also, the level 
of coolant in the engine's reservoir has remained constant for months.

If it was leaking from the motor, the level in the reservoir would be going 
down, right?  That said, the engine is winterized, so the water pump hasn't 
spun since October.

The fact that it only happens after it rains is really confounding me too.  A 
constant leak from the engine would steadily fill my bilge no matter what the 
weather was, right?  The water system on the boat is winterized with pink 
antifreeze, so it's not that.
Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.


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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Just a wild guess:
Someone spilled coolant at one point that is trapped.  Enough rain water
gets in the bilge to reach the coolant and some of it ends up in the sump.
Joel

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> Hey everyone,
>
> Thank you for the responses last week about my tiller - which I went out
> to observe/fix today and then got distracted by another issue - c'est la
> vie.
>
> Sometimes after heavy precipitation I find engine coolant in my bilge.
> This ONLY happens after heavy precip - like last week here in NYC.
>
> I inspected the cooling system plumbing connections and hoses on my A4 and
> I've looked over the engine itself, there are no leaks I can see.  Also,
> the level of coolant in the engine's reservoir has remained constant for
> months.
>
> If it was leaking from the motor, the level in the reservoir would be
> going down, right?  That said, the engine is winterized, so the water pump
> hasn't spun since October.
>
> The fact that it only happens after it rains is really confounding me
> too.  A constant leak from the engine would steadily fill my bilge no
> matter what the weather was, right?  The water system on the boat is
> winterized with pink antifreeze, so it's not that.
>
> Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
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Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Hey everyone,

Thank you for the responses last week about my tiller - which I went out to
observe/fix today and then got distracted by another issue - c'est la vie.

Sometimes after heavy precipitation I find engine coolant in my bilge.
This ONLY happens after heavy precip - like last week here in NYC.

I inspected the cooling system plumbing connections and hoses on my A4 and
I've looked over the engine itself, there are no leaks I can see.  Also,
the level of coolant in the engine's reservoir has remained constant for
months.

If it was leaking from the motor, the level in the reservoir would be going
down, right?  That said, the engine is winterized, so the water pump hasn't
spun since October.

The fact that it only happens after it rains is really confounding me too.
A constant leak from the engine would steadily fill my bilge no matter what
the weather was, right?  The water system on the boat is winterized with
pink antifreeze, so it's not that.

Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.
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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

I forgot to give the details on my boat - She's a 1976 30 mki and she's
winterized and up on stands.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Ryan Doyle  wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> Thank you for the responses last week about my tiller - which I went out
> to observe/fix today and then got distracted by another issue - c'est la
> vie.
>
> Sometimes after heavy precipitation I find engine coolant in my bilge.
> This ONLY happens after heavy precip - like last week here in NYC.
>
> I inspected the cooling system plumbing connections and hoses on my A4 and
> I've looked over the engine itself, there are no leaks I can see.  Also,
> the level of coolant in the engine's reservoir has remained constant for
> months.
>
> If it was leaking from the motor, the level in the reservoir would be
> going down, right?  That said, the engine is winterized, so the water pump
> hasn't spun since October.
>
> The fact that it only happens after it rains is really confounding me
> too.  A constant leak from the engine would steadily fill my bilge no
> matter what the weather was, right?  The water system on the boat is
> winterized with pink antifreeze, so it's not that.
>
> Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Perhaps coolant was spilled elsewhere and gets washed down by rain?  Not to 
sound too trivial but maybe check where spare coolant is stored on boat and see 
if it has been leaking from the bottle …

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 1:46 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

I forgot to give the details on my boat - She's a 1976 30 mki and she's 
winterized and up on stands.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Ryan Doyle 
<ryanpdo...@gmail.com<mailto:ryanpdo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey everyone,
Thank you for the responses last week about my tiller - which I went out to 
observe/fix today and then got distracted by another issue - c'est la vie.

Sometimes after heavy precipitation I find engine coolant in my bilge.  This 
ONLY happens after heavy precip - like last week here in NYC.

I inspected the cooling system plumbing connections and hoses on my A4 and I've 
looked over the engine itself, there are no leaks I can see.  Also, the level 
of coolant in the engine's reservoir has remained constant for months.

If it was leaking from the motor, the level in the reservoir would be going 
down, right?  That said, the engine is winterized, so the water pump hasn't 
spun since October.

The fact that it only happens after it rains is really confounding me too.  A 
constant leak from the engine would steadily fill my bilge no matter what the 
weather was, right?  The water system on the boat is winterized with pink 
antifreeze, so it's not that.
Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.


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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Hah!  Thanks for the reply.  But I have the original gas motor, so no
diesel on board.  It's definitely engine coolant - has the unmistakable
smell.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> This might be out on a limb but on the topic of "How do you know it is
> coolant", what color is your diesel?
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
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Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[ssjohnson via CnC-List]

I have a similar problem.every year / winter I loose engine coolant into 
the 'after bilge'.   All hoses replaced.  Still happens.  Haven't found the 
source of the leak yet.Any recommendations for coolant dyes?  Probably less 
than a quart, but never a drop during the sailing season. Spencer Johnson1984 
Landfall 38 'Alegria' =165Racine, WI ... in the summerMount Prospect .. in the 
winter

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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

This might be out on a limb but on the topic of "How do you know it is
coolant", what color is your diesel?

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Joseph Bognar via CnC-List]

My A4 is fresh water cooled . If you have Anti Freeze in your motor . I am 
guessing that it is a closed system . You can pressure test your engine. There 
should be a heat exchanger on the engine . There is a sump under your mast step 
on the 30 - 1 also . The antifreeze may be coming from there from a previous 
spill 

Joseph Bognar 
1979 C 30 MK 1 
In Luff Again 11

Sent from Joe Bognar


> On Jan 29, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Joe and Joel - thank you guys.  Apologies, I was on "digest mode", so I 
> didn't see your responses until now.  I know it's engine coolant because as 
> Joe said - "nothing else on the boat looks like it".  Joel, I have a feeling 
> you're right about the source.  I think there was coolant in the aft part of 
> my bilge - either it was spilled or the previous owner intentionally put it 
> down there, and when it rains hard it's being pushed into the sump.  If this 
> is the case, I'm just surprised that it's retaining it's brilliant 
> fluorescent green color after being watered diluted so much.  It's very 
> green.  Looks the same as what's in the reservoir.
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Ryan Doyle  wrote:
>> Replying to my own thread again here..  I've read a few times online that 
>> people sometimes add antifreeze to a wet bilge during the winter.  Now I'm 
>> wondering if there is some residual antifreeze left in the aft portion of my 
>> bilge from the previous owner (I bought the boat in Oct), and it's being 
>> mixed with some rainwater and ending up down there.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Ryan Doyle  wrote:
>>> I forgot to give the details on my boat - She's a 1976 30 mki and she's 
>>> winterized and up on stands.
>>> 
 On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Ryan Doyle  wrote:
 Hey everyone, 
 
 Thank you for the responses last week about my tiller - which I went out 
 to observe/fix today and then got distracted by another issue - c'est la 
 vie.
 
 Sometimes after heavy precipitation I find engine coolant in my bilge.  
 This ONLY happens after heavy precip - like last week here in NYC. 
 
 I inspected the cooling system plumbing connections and hoses on my A4 and 
 I've looked over the engine itself, there are no leaks I can see.  Also, 
 the level of coolant in the engine's reservoir has remained constant for 
 months.  
 
 If it was leaking from the motor, the level in the reservoir would be 
 going down, right?  That said, the engine is winterized, so the water pump 
 hasn't spun since October.
 
 The fact that it only happens after it rains is really confounding me too. 
  A constant leak from the engine would steadily fill my bilge no matter 
 what the weather was, right?  The water system on the boat is winterized 
 with pink antifreeze, so it's not that.
 
 Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.
> 
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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Replying to my own thread again here..  I've read a few times online that
people sometimes add antifreeze to a wet bilge during the winter.  Now I'm
wondering if there is some residual antifreeze left in the aft portion of
my bilge from the previous owner (I bought the boat in Oct), and it's being
mixed with some rainwater and ending up down there.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Ryan Doyle  wrote:

> I forgot to give the details on my boat - She's a 1976 30 mki and she's
> winterized and up on stands.
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Ryan Doyle  wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> Thank you for the responses last week about my tiller - which I went out
>> to observe/fix today and then got distracted by another issue - c'est la
>> vie.
>>
>> Sometimes after heavy precipitation I find engine coolant in my bilge.
>> This ONLY happens after heavy precip - like last week here in NYC.
>>
>> I inspected the cooling system plumbing connections and hoses on my A4
>> and I've looked over the engine itself, there are no leaks I can see.
>> Also, the level of coolant in the engine's reservoir has remained constant
>> for months.
>>
>> If it was leaking from the motor, the level in the reservoir would be
>> going down, right?  That said, the engine is winterized, so the water pump
>> hasn't spun since October.
>>
>> The fact that it only happens after it rains is really confounding me
>> too.  A constant leak from the engine would steadily fill my bilge no
>> matter what the weather was, right?  The water system on the boat is
>> winterized with pink antifreeze, so it's not that.
>>
>> Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Joe and Joel - thank you guys.  Apologies, I was on "digest mode", so I
didn't see your responses until now.  I know it's engine coolant because as
Joe said - "nothing else on the boat looks like it".  Joel, I have a
feeling you're right about the source.  I think there was coolant in the
aft part of my bilge - either it was spilled or the previous owner
intentionally put it down there, and when it rains hard it's being pushed
into the sump.  If this is the case, I'm just surprised that it's retaining
it's brilliant fluorescent green color after being watered diluted so
much.  It's very green.  Looks the same as what's in the reservoir.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Ryan Doyle  wrote:

> Replying to my own thread again here..  I've read a few times online that
> people sometimes add antifreeze to a wet bilge during the winter.  Now I'm
> wondering if there is some residual antifreeze left in the aft portion of
> my bilge from the previous owner (I bought the boat in Oct), and it's being
> mixed with some rainwater and ending up down there.
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Ryan Doyle  wrote:
>
>> I forgot to give the details on my boat - She's a 1976 30 mki and she's
>> winterized and up on stands.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Ryan Doyle 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the responses last week about my tiller - which I went out
>>> to observe/fix today and then got distracted by another issue - c'est la
>>> vie.
>>>
>>> Sometimes after heavy precipitation I find engine coolant in my bilge.
>>> This ONLY happens after heavy precip - like last week here in NYC.
>>>
>>> I inspected the cooling system plumbing connections and hoses on my A4
>>> and I've looked over the engine itself, there are no leaks I can see.
>>> Also, the level of coolant in the engine's reservoir has remained constant
>>> for months.
>>>
>>> If it was leaking from the motor, the level in the reservoir would be
>>> going down, right?  That said, the engine is winterized, so the water pump
>>> hasn't spun since October.
>>>
>>> The fact that it only happens after it rains is really confounding me
>>> too.  A constant leak from the engine would steadily fill my bilge no
>>> matter what the weather was, right?  The water system on the boat is
>>> winterized with pink antifreeze, so it's not that.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

My engine coolant is fluorescent green. Nothing else on the boat looks like it, 
so I assume that is how. 
Joe
Coquina

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veinot via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 1:26 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

how do you know it's engine coolant?
Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net



On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> Thank you for the responses last week about my tiller - which I went 
> out to observe/fix today and then got distracted by another issue - c'est la 
> vie.
>
> Sometimes after heavy precipitation I find engine coolant in my bilge.  
> This ONLY happens after heavy precip - like last week here in NYC.
>
> I inspected the cooling system plumbing connections and hoses on my A4 
> and I've looked over the engine itself, there are no leaks I can see.  
> Also, the level of coolant in the engine's reservoir has remained constant 
> for months.
>
> If it was leaking from the motor, the level in the reservoir would be 
> going down, right?  That said, the engine is winterized, so the water 
> pump hasn't spun since October.
>
> The fact that it only happens after it rains is really confounding me too.
> A constant leak from the engine would steadily fill my bilge no matter 
> what the weather was, right?  The water system on the boat is 
> winterized with pink antifreeze, so it's not that.
>
> Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

how do you know it's engine coolant?
Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net



On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List
 wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> Thank you for the responses last week about my tiller - which I went out to
> observe/fix today and then got distracted by another issue - c'est la vie.
>
> Sometimes after heavy precipitation I find engine coolant in my bilge.  This
> ONLY happens after heavy precip - like last week here in NYC.
>
> I inspected the cooling system plumbing connections and hoses on my A4 and
> I've looked over the engine itself, there are no leaks I can see.  Also, the
> level of coolant in the engine's reservoir has remained constant for months.
>
> If it was leaking from the motor, the level in the reservoir would be going
> down, right?  That said, the engine is winterized, so the water pump hasn't
> spun since October.
>
> The fact that it only happens after it rains is really confounding me too.
> A constant leak from the engine would steadily fill my bilge no matter what
> the weather was, right?  The water system on the boat is winterized with
> pink antifreeze, so it's not that.
>
> Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

I generally leave RV or plumbing antifreeze in the bilge, but I'm  in frozen 
Ottawa.

-Original Message-
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Sent: ‎2016-‎01-‎29 2:00 PM
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: "Ryan Doyle" <ryanpdo...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

Joe and Joel - thank you guys.  Apologies, I was on "digest mode", so I didn't 
see your responses until now.  I know it's engine coolant because as Joe said - 
"nothing else on the boat looks like it".  Joel, I have a feeling you're right 
about the source.  I think there was coolant in the aft part of my bilge - 
either it was spilled or the previous owner intentionally put it down there, 
and when it rains hard it's being pushed into the sump.  If this is the case, 
I'm just surprised that it's retaining it's brilliant fluorescent green color 
after being watered diluted so much.  It's very green.  Looks the same as 
what's in the reservoir.



On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Replying to my own thread again here..  I've read a few times online that 
people sometimes add antifreeze to a wet bilge during the winter.  Now I'm 
wondering if there is some residual antifreeze left in the aft portion of my 
bilge from the previous owner (I bought the boat in Oct), and it's being mixed 
with some rainwater and ending up down there.



On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com> wrote:

I forgot to give the details on my boat - She's a 1976 30 mki and she's 
winterized and up on stands.



On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey everyone, 


Thank you for the responses last week about my tiller - which I went out to 
observe/fix today and then got distracted by another issue - c'est la vie.

Sometimes after heavy precipitation I find engine coolant in my bilge.  This 
ONLY happens after heavy precip - like last week here in NYC. 


I inspected the cooling system plumbing connections and hoses on my A4 and I've 
looked over the engine itself, there are no leaks I can see.  Also, the level 
of coolant in the engine's reservoir has remained constant for months.  

If it was leaking from the motor, the level in the reservoir would be going 
down, right?  That said, the engine is winterized, so the water pump hasn't 
spun since October.

The fact that it only happens after it rains is really confounding me too.  A 
constant leak from the engine would steadily fill my bilge no matter what the 
weather was, right?  The water system on the boat is winterized with pink 
antifreeze, so it's not that.


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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Thanks John.  I had no idea that was a fairly common practice.  That must be 
what's happening.  There's a section of the bilge forward of the motor and aft 
of the opening in the cockpit sole that I just can't see into.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 14:34, John Irvin via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I generally leave RV or plumbing antifreeze in the bilge, but I'm  in frozen 
> Ottawa.
> From: Ryan Doyle via CnC-List
> Sent: ‎2016-‎01-‎29 2:00 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Ryan Doyle
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant
> 
> Joe and Joel - thank you guys.  Apologies, I was on "digest mode", so I 
> didn't see your responses until now.  I know it's engine coolant because as 
> Joe said - "nothing else on the boat looks like it".  Joel, I have a feeling 
> you're right about the source.  I think there was coolant in the aft part of 
> my bilge - either it was spilled or the previous owner intentionally put it 
> down there, and when it rains hard it's being pushed into the sump.  If this 
> is the case, I'm just surprised that it's retaining it's brilliant 
> fluorescent green color after being watered diluted so much.  It's very 
> green.  Looks the same as what's in the reservoir.
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Replying to my own thread again here..  I've read a few times online that 
>> people sometimes add antifreeze to a wet bilge during the winter.  Now I'm 
>> wondering if there is some residual antifreeze left in the aft portion of my 
>> bilge from the previous owner (I bought the boat in Oct), and it's being 
>> mixed with some rainwater and ending up down there.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I forgot to give the details on my boat - She's a 1976 30 mki and she's 
>>> winterized and up on stands.
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hey everyone, 
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for the responses last week about my tiller - which I went out 
>>>> to observe/fix today and then got distracted by another issue - c'est la 
>>>> vie.
>>>> 
>>>> Sometimes after heavy precipitation I find engine coolant in my bilge.  
>>>> This ONLY happens after heavy precip - like last week here in NYC. 
>>>> 
>>>> I inspected the cooling system plumbing connections and hoses on my A4 and 
>>>> I've looked over the engine itself, there are no leaks I can see.  Also, 
>>>> the level of coolant in the engine's reservoir has remained constant for 
>>>> months.  
>>>> 
>>>> If it was leaking from the motor, the level in the reservoir would be 
>>>> going down, right?  That said, the engine is winterized, so the water pump 
>>>> hasn't spun since October.
>>>> 
>>>> The fact that it only happens after it rains is really confounding me too. 
>>>>  A constant leak from the engine would steadily fill my bilge no matter 
>>>> what the weather was, right?  The water system on the boat is winterized 
>>>> with pink antifreeze, so it's not that.
>>>> 
>>>> Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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