Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes
FWIW, My VHF antenna cable and mast wiring extends six feet from the bottom of the mast, up under a settee bunk. The wires enter a waterproof box and land on a terminal strip and the coax has a female PL259 connecting to a double male PL258 to the cable that goes to the VHF radio. Under the sole is a wet area. Under a bunk is higher up and drier. I disconnect everything myself before pulling the mast. Chuck S > On 05/28/2022 6:26 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List > wrote: > > > About 8" from where it enters the bottom of the mast in the bilge (dry). > Except for working on my old knees and removing part of the sole, it is > reachable. I have not found the other end that goes to the radio but I > suspect it is hidden under the sole that I must remove to see/find it. > > Charlie > > > -Original Message- > From: Andy Frame via CnC-List > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Andy Frame > Sent: Sat, May 28, 2022 4:26 pm > Subject: Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes > > > Where is the cut? > > On 5/28/2022 12:07 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List wrote: > > The yard that removed my mast to replace the rod rigging just cut the > > mast antenna cable and so I either have to have another cable run or > > 'splice' the current cable using one of the Sheakspeare fittings that > > claim to connect the shield and the conductor without solder, etc. > > > > Has any one on the list used such connectors and had any luck (or hints > > on how to proceed!) or am I faced with running new cable and the expense > > of someone to climb the mast, etc. The connector was only $16 so I > > figured it was worth that much to give it a try. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Charlie Nelson > > Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb > > New Bern, NC > > > > > > > > > -- > s/v MaryMe > 1975 C&C 24 > Port Labelle, FL USA > Amateur Radio WD4RCC > >
Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes
I forget where I came across this guide but it has served me well. I don't recall needing a crimper. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yMTRmMzIxYTktMDcxOS00NmMyLTg0ZDQtODg1NjU5N2ZkMGJl/view?usp=drivesdk&resourcekey=0-Hr-2cV_NnRO2_bhpIbiGBw Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Mon, May 30, 2022, 09:44 cenelson--- via CnC-List wrote: > A great idea although my mast is not routinely removed—twice since new in > 1995. > > At least this solution allows the cable to be disconnected and reconnected > without cutting it, which the Shakespeare connector requires. > > Of course, I would need a ‘crimper’ for the male connectors—as another > poster proclaimed “…it never ends…” > > Charlie > > PS: I am going to lean hard on the yard to do this fix—they were the one > who broke it—as other listers have suggested! > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS > <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661> > > On Monday, May 30, 2022, 8:57 AM, Hoyt, Mike > wrote: > > You should put a connector there anyway so that you can remove the mast in > the future. Majority of boats at our club take down mast every year and > are set up this way. Basically same connector as at radio and antenna ends > of the cable with a barrel connector > > > > *From:* Charlie Nelson via CnC-List > *Sent:* May 28, 2022 7:27 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* cenel...@aol.com > *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes > > > > About 8" from where it enters the bottom of the mast in the bilge (dry). > Except for working on my old knees and removing part of the sole, it is > reachable. I have not found the other end that goes to the radio but I > suspect it is hidden under the sole that I must remove to see/find it. > > > > Charlie > > -----Original Message- > From: Andy Frame via CnC-List > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Andy Frame > Sent: Sat, May 28, 2022 4:26 pm > Subject: Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes > > > Where is the cut? > > > On 5/28/2022 12:07 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List wrote: > > The yard that removed my mast to replace the rod rigging just cut the > > mast antenna cable and so I either have to have another cable run or > > 'splice' the current cable using one of the Sheakspeare fittings that > > claim to connect the shield and the conductor without solder, etc. > > > > Has any one on the list used such connectors and had any luck (or hints > > on how to proceed!) or am I faced with running new cable and the expense > > of someone to climb the mast, etc. The connector was only $16 so I > > figured it was worth that much to give it a try. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Charlie Nelson > > Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb > > New Bern, NC > > > > > > > > > > -- > s/v MaryMe > 1975 C&C 24 > Port Labelle, FL USA > Amateur Radio WD4RCC > > > >
Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes
It certainly does not seem unreasonable for the yard to have cut it if there was no way to disconnect it, That is just common sense. But they should have taped a line onto the hidden part so you could fish another from the radio. At some point a mast is going to have to be removed. Bill Coleman Entrada, Erie, PA From: cenelson--- via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2022 9:44 AM To: Hoyt, Mike; Stus-List Cc: cenel...@aim.com Subject: Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes A great idea although my mast is not routinely removed—twice since new in 1995. At least this solution allows the cable to be disconnected and reconnected without cutting it, which the Shakespeare connector requires. Of course, I would need a ‘crimper’ for the male connectors—as another poster proclaimed “…it never ends…” Charlie PS: I am going to lean hard on the yard to do this fix—they were the one who broke it—as other listers have suggested! Sent <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661> from the all new AOL app for iOS On Monday, May 30, 2022, 8:57 AM, Hoyt, Mike wrote: You should put a connector there anyway so that you can remove the mast in the future. Majority of boats at our club take down mast every year and are set up this way. Basically same connector as at radio and antenna ends of the cable with a barrel connector From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List Sent: May 28, 2022 7:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cenel...@aol.com Subject: Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes About 8" from where it enters the bottom of the mast in the bilge (dry). Except for working on my old knees and removing part of the sole, it is reachable. I have not found the other end that goes to the radio but I suspect it is hidden under the sole that I must remove to see/find it. Charlie -Original Message- From: Andy Frame via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Andy Frame Sent: Sat, May 28, 2022 4:26 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes Where is the cut? On 5/28/2022 12:07 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List wrote: > The yard that removed my mast to replace the rod rigging just cut the > mast antenna cable and so I either have to have another cable run or > 'splice' the current cable using one of the Sheakspeare fittings that > claim to connect the shield and the conductor without solder, etc. > > Has any one on the list used such connectors and had any luck (or hints > on how to proceed!) or am I faced with running new cable and the expense > of someone to climb the mast, etc. The connector was only $16 so I > figured it was worth that much to give it a try. > > Thanks, > > Charlie Nelson > Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb > New Bern, NC > > > -- s/v MaryMe 1975 C&C 24 Port Labelle, FL USA Amateur Radio WD4RCC
Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes
A great idea although my mast is not routinely removed—twice since new in 1995. At least this solution allows the cable to be disconnected and reconnected without cutting it, which the Shakespeare connector requires. Of course, I would need a ‘crimper’ for the male connectors—as another poster proclaimed “…it never ends…” Charlie PS: I am going to lean hard on the yard to do this fix—they were the one who broke it—as other listers have suggested! Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Monday, May 30, 2022, 8:57 AM, Hoyt, Mike wrote: You should put a connector there anyway so that you can remove the mast in the future. Majority of boats at our club take down mast every year and are set up this way. Basically same connector as at radio and antenna ends of the cable with a barrel connector From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List Sent: May 28, 2022 7:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cenel...@aol.com Subject: Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes About 8" from where it enters the bottom of the mast in the bilge (dry). Except for working on my old knees and removing part of the sole, it is reachable. I have not found the other end that goes to the radio but I suspect it is hidden under the sole that I must remove to see/find it. Charlie -Original Message- From: Andy Frame via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Andy Frame Sent: Sat, May 28, 2022 4:26 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes Where is the cut? On 5/28/2022 12:07 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List wrote: > The yard that removed my mast to replace the rod rigging just cut the > mast antenna cable and so I either have to have another cable run or > 'splice' the current cable using one of the Sheakspeare fittings that > claim to connect the shield and the conductor without solder, etc. > > Has any one on the list used such connectors and had any luck (or hints > on how to proceed!) or am I faced with running new cable and the expense > of someone to climb the mast, etc. The connector was only $16 so I > figured it was worth that much to give it a try. > > Thanks, > > Charlie Nelson > Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb > New Bern, NC > > > -- s/v MaryMe 1975 C&C 24 Port Labelle, FL USA Amateur Radio WD4RCC
Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes
You should put a connector there anyway so that you can remove the mast in the future. Majority of boats at our club take down mast every year and are set up this way. Basically same connector as at radio and antenna ends of the cable with a barrel connector From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List Sent: May 28, 2022 7:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cenel...@aol.com Subject: Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes About 8" from where it enters the bottom of the mast in the bilge (dry). Except for working on my old knees and removing part of the sole, it is reachable. I have not found the other end that goes to the radio but I suspect it is hidden under the sole that I must remove to see/find it. Charlie -Original Message- From: Andy Frame via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Andy Frame Sent: Sat, May 28, 2022 4:26 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes Where is the cut? On 5/28/2022 12:07 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List wrote: > The yard that removed my mast to replace the rod rigging just cut the > mast antenna cable and so I either have to have another cable run or > 'splice' the current cable using one of the Sheakspeare fittings that > claim to connect the shield and the conductor without solder, etc. > > Has any one on the list used such connectors and had any luck (or hints > on how to proceed!) or am I faced with running new cable and the expense > of someone to climb the mast, etc. The connector was only $16 so I > figured it was worth that much to give it a try. > > Thanks, > > Charlie Nelson > Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb > New Bern, NC > > > -- s/v MaryMe 1975 C&C 24 Port Labelle, FL USA Amateur Radio WD4RCC
Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes
AMEN!! Neil Andersen, W3NEA Rock Hall, MD 21661 484-354-8800 From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 9:43:04 AM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: j...@dellabarba.com Subject: Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes THIS is the correct answer, he who cut it can fix it! Joe From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 10:47 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes Lots of options. You could terminate the 2 ends with the typical connectors and then use a joiner. You could use you're splicer. Nothing will ever be as good as the cable was before it was cut. I'd ask the yard to replace the cable. Period. They broke it, they should fix it... Correctly. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sat, May 28, 2022, 12:07 Charlie Nelson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: The yard that removed my mast to replace the rod rigging just cut the mast antenna cable and so I either have to have another cable run or 'splice' the current cable using one of the Sheakspeare fittings that claim to connect the shield and the conductor without solder, etc. Has any one on the list used such connectors and had any luck (or hints on how to proceed!) or am I faced with running new cable and the expense of someone to climb the mast, etc. The connector was only $16 so I figured it was worth that much to give it a try. Thanks, Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb New Bern, NC
Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes
Thanks for the backup Joe but after seeing a more detailed description it sounds like the cable did not previously have a service disconnect to allow for removal of the mast from the boat. As described earlier by myself and followed by Andy Frame the use of a PL-259 connection on both cut ends joined together by a 238 barrel is probably the best choice. This will allow the mast to be more easily removed and installed in the future. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD May 29, 2022 9:43:06 AM j...@dellabarba.com: > THIS is the correct answer, he who cut it can fix it! > > Joe > > *From:* Josh Muckley via CnC-List > *Sent:* Saturday, May 28, 2022 10:47 PM > *To:* Stus-List > *Cc:* Josh Muckley > *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes > > Lots of options. You could terminate the 2 ends with the typical connectors > and then use a joiner. You could use you're splicer. Nothing will ever be > as good as the cable was before it was cut. I'd ask the yard to replace the > cable. Period. They broke it, they should fix it... Correctly. > > Josh Muckley > > S/V Sea Hawk > > 1989 C&C 37+ > > Solomons, MD > > On Sat, May 28, 2022, 12:07 Charlie Nelson via CnC-List > wrote: > > The yard that removed my mast to replace the rod rigging just cut the mast > antenna cable and so I either have to have another cable run or 'splice' the > current cable using one of the Sheakspeare fittings that claim to connect the > shield and the conductor without solder, etc. > > Has any one on the list used such connectors and had any luck (or hints on > how to proceed!) or am I faced with running new cable and the expense of > someone to climb the mast, etc. The connector was only $16 so I figured it > was worth that much to give it a try. > > Thanks, > > Charlie Nelson > > Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb > > New Bern, NC > >
Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes
THIS is the correct answer, he who cut it can fix it! Joe From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 10:47 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes Lots of options. You could terminate the 2 ends with the typical connectors and then use a joiner. You could use you're splicer. Nothing will ever be as good as the cable was before it was cut. I'd ask the yard to replace the cable. Period. They broke it, they should fix it... Correctly. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sat, May 28, 2022, 12:07 Charlie Nelson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: The yard that removed my mast to replace the rod rigging just cut the mast antenna cable and so I either have to have another cable run or 'splice' the current cable using one of the Sheakspeare fittings that claim to connect the shield and the conductor without solder, etc. Has any one on the list used such connectors and had any luck (or hints on how to proceed!) or am I faced with running new cable and the expense of someone to climb the mast, etc. The connector was only $16 so I figured it was worth that much to give it a try. Thanks, Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb New Bern, NC
Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes
Lots of options. You could terminate the 2 ends with the typical connectors and then use a joiner. You could use you're splicer. Nothing will ever be as good as the cable was before it was cut. I'd ask the yard to replace the cable. Period. They broke it, they should fix it... Correctly. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sat, May 28, 2022, 12:07 Charlie Nelson via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > The yard that removed my mast to replace the rod rigging just cut the mast > antenna cable and so I either have to have another cable run or 'splice' > the current cable using one of the Sheakspeare fittings that claim to > connect the shield and the conductor without solder, etc. > > Has any one on the list used such connectors and had any luck (or hints on > how to proceed!) or am I faced with running new cable and the expense of > someone to climb the mast, etc. The connector was only $16 so I figured it > was worth that much to give it a try. > > Thanks, > > Charlie Nelson > Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb > New Bern, NC > > > >
Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes
Since it's not in a weather exposed location you should be good with a connector splice. PL-259's on each end, and a -238 barrel in the middle. I cannot vouch for the solderless Shakespeare connectors. I have never had a need to use them. All my connections have the center connector soldered. If you have to stretch the coax to bring the cut sections together, I would replace the section that comes from the radio to the mast. You're not going to want a lot of physical stress on the splice point. Put some heat shrink on the coax before you put on the connectors.Then when it's all wired up, check the SWR, and if that's good, seal the entire length of the splice plus a couple of inches with the heat shrink. That's more to keep physical movement dampened than actually protect it from moisture. I'm stepping the mast on MaryMe this winter and have to run all new coax and electrical, lights, etc. On 5/28/2022 6:26 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List wrote: > About 8" from where it enters the bottom of the mast in the bilge (dry). > Except for working on my old knees and removing part of the sole, it is > reachable. I have not found the other end that goes to the radio but I > suspect it is hidden under the sole that I must remove to see/find it. > > Charlie > > > -Original Message- > From: Andy Frame via CnC-List > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Andy Frame > Sent: Sat, May 28, 2022 4:26 pm > Subject: Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes > > > Where is the cut? > > On 5/28/2022 12:07 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List wrote: > > The yard that removed my mast to replace the rod rigging just cut the > > mast antenna cable and so I either have to have another cable run or > > 'splice' the current cable using one of the Sheakspeare fittings that > > claim to connect the shield and the conductor without solder, etc. > > > > Has any one on the list used such connectors and had any luck (or hints > > on how to proceed!) or am I faced with running new cable and the expense > > of someone to climb the mast, etc. The connector was only $16 so I > > figured it was worth that much to give it a try. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Charlie Nelson > > Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb > > New Bern, NC > > > > > > > > > -- > s/v MaryMe > 1975 C&C 24 > Port Labelle, FL USA > Amateur Radio WD4RCC > -- s/v MaryMe 1975 C&C 24 Port Labelle, FL USA Amateur Radio WD4RCC
Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes
About 8" from where it enters the bottom of the mast in the bilge (dry). Except for working on my old knees and removing part of the sole, it is reachable. I have not found the other end that goes to the radio but I suspect it is hidden under the sole that I must remove to see/find it. Charlie -Original Message- From: Andy Frame via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Andy Frame Sent: Sat, May 28, 2022 4:26 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes Where is the cut? On 5/28/2022 12:07 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List wrote: > The yard that removed my mast to replace the rod rigging just cut the > mast antenna cable and so I either have to have another cable run or > 'splice' the current cable using one of the Sheakspeare fittings that > claim to connect the shield and the conductor without solder, etc. > > Has any one on the list used such connectors and had any luck (or hints > on how to proceed!) or am I faced with running new cable and the expense > of someone to climb the mast, etc. The connector was only $16 so I > figured it was worth that much to give it a try. > > Thanks, > > Charlie Nelson > Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb > New Bern, NC > > > -- s/v MaryMe 1975 C&C 24 Port Labelle, FL USA Amateur Radio WD4RCC
Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes
Where is the cut? On 5/28/2022 12:07 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List wrote: > The yard that removed my mast to replace the rod rigging just cut the > mast antenna cable and so I either have to have another cable run or > 'splice' the current cable using one of the Sheakspeare fittings that > claim to connect the shield and the conductor without solder, etc. > > Has any one on the list used such connectors and had any luck (or hints > on how to proceed!) or am I faced with running new cable and the expense > of someone to climb the mast, etc. The connector was only $16 so I > figured it was worth that much to give it a try. > > Thanks, > > Charlie Nelson > Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb > New Bern, NC > > > -- s/v MaryMe 1975 C&C 24 Port Labelle, FL USA Amateur Radio WD4RCC
Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes
I have used the Shakespeare connectors. If you make SURE you do not put them on crooked and short the coax they work fine. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I Kent Island MD USA From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 12:07 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cenel...@aol.com Subject: Stus-List Antenna cable woes The yard that removed my mast to replace the rod rigging just cut the mast antenna cable and so I either have to have another cable run or 'splice' the current cable using one of the Sheakspeare fittings that claim to connect the shield and the conductor without solder, etc. Has any one on the list used such connectors and had any luck (or hints on how to proceed!) or am I faced with running new cable and the expense of someone to climb the mast, etc. The connector was only $16 so I figured it was worth that much to give it a try. Thanks, Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb New Bern, NC
