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Yes, Rick, that’s it. I can do also routes and other things as you describe in your second paragraph, but I find the infinite red line to be most helpful when heading for a destination. From: Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 8:58 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Rick Brass Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics I think I understand it now. The red line is always shown and infinite length, and it is based on boat heading adjusted by current - or more probably recent - set and drift. If your destination or the next turn is off the edge of the display, you zoom out to bring it onto the screen and steer to keep the boat moving to that desired point. And I presume you reduce detail, depth markers, etc. when you zoom out. In the eastern NC area where I mostly sail, but also in Chesapeake Bay and along the ICW and coast going south, my target is usually in the 10 to 30 NM range in front of me. With the plotter and IPad I usually scroll over to the target, tap the screen, and then select "Go To". That puts a line on the chart display from my starting point to the destination. Then I can scroll back (or press stop scrolling on the menu) to recenter on the boat and see the nearby detail (depths around here are frequently 10 feet or less, and the ICW has a lot of twists and turns), see the boat position and heading in relation to the course line on the chart, and make steering and trim adjustments accordingly. I wonder if the displays would work the same on Active Captain, my IPad that I use on deliveries, or my laptop had I chosen the Navionics charts instead of Bluecharts when I bought my Garmin chart plotter? Rick Brass Washington, NC
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I think so. What really annoyed me was when Garmin bought them, you needed a separate subscription to be able to upload to a Garmin plotter and a RayMarine, B&G, Simrad, etc made plotters Neil Andersen, W3NEA Rock Hall, MD 21661 484-354-8800 From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 11:19:10 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Bill Coleman Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics Do you have to pay an annual subscription to keep that feature working every year? Bill Coleman Erie Pa On Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 21:51 Neil Andersen via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: With Navionics that I use I can put in a final destination and have it plot a course using my boat configuration settings Neil Andersen, W3NEA Rock Hall, MD 21661 484-354-8800 From: Rick Brass via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 8:57:48 PM To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: Rick Brass mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics I think I understand it now. The red line is always shown and infinite length, and it is based on boat heading adjusted by current - or more probably recent - set and drift. If your destination or the next turn is off the edge of the display, you zoom out to bring it onto the screen and steer to keep the boat moving to that desired point. And I presume you reduce detail, depth markers, etc. when you zoom out. In the eastern NC area where I mostly sail, but also in Chesapeake Bay and along the ICW and coast going south, my target is usually in the 10 to 30 NM range in front of me. With the plotter and IPad I usually scroll over to the target, tap the screen, and then select "Go To". That puts a line on the chart display from my starting point to the destination. Then I can scroll back (or press stop scrolling on the menu) to recenter on the boat and see the nearby detail (depths around here are frequently 10 feet or less, and the ICW has a lot of twists and turns), see the boat position and heading in relation to the course line on the chart, and make steering and trim adjustments accordingly. I wonder if the displays would work the same on Active Captain, my IPad that I use on deliveries, or my laptop had I chosen the Navionics charts instead of Bluecharts when I bought my Garmin chart plotter? Rick Brass Washington, NC -Original Message- From: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: Oct 28, 2022 2:24 PM To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: mailto:wolf...@erie.net>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics Thanks, Rick. The red line is not a route. The red line is always visible and shows your projected course an unlimited distance ahead. If I change course, the red line changes as well. It’s like an on-screen laser pointer. You point the boat in the general direction and adjust steering until the red line goes to where you want to go. That’s your course. Miss Connie from Romper Room could navigate a boat this way.
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Do you have to pay an annual subscription to keep that feature working every year? Bill Coleman Erie Pa On Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 21:51 Neil Andersen via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > With Navionics that I use I can put in a final destination and have it > plot a course using my boat configuration settings > > Neil Andersen, W3NEA > Rock Hall, MD 21661 > 484-354-8800 > -- > *From:* Rick Brass via CnC-List > *Sent:* Friday, October 28, 2022 8:57:48 PM > *To:* Stus-List > *Cc:* Rick Brass > *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Navionics > > > I think I understand it now. The red line is always shown and infinite > length, and it is based on boat heading adjusted by current - or more > probably recent - set and drift. If your destination or the next turn is > off the edge of the display, you zoom out to bring it onto the screen and > steer to keep the boat moving to that desired point. And I presume you > reduce detail, depth markers, etc. when you zoom out. > > > > In the eastern NC area where I mostly sail, but also in Chesapeake Bay and > along the ICW and coast going south, my target is usually in the 10 to 30 > NM range in front of me. With the plotter and IPad I usually scroll over to > the target, tap the screen, and then select "Go To". That puts a line on > the chart display from my starting point to the destination. Then I can > scroll back (or press stop scrolling on the menu) to recenter on the boat > and see the nearby detail (depths around here are frequently 10 feet or > less, and the ICW has a lot of twists and turns), see the boat position and > heading in relation to the course line on the chart, and make steering and > trim adjustments accordingly. > > > > I wonder if the displays would work the same on Active Captain, my IPad > that I use on deliveries, or my laptop had I chosen the Navionics charts > instead of Bluecharts when I bought my Garmin chart plotter? > > > > Rick Brass > > Washington, NC > > -Original Message- > From: Stus-List > Sent: Oct 28, 2022 2:24 PM > To: 'Stus-List' > Cc: > Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics > > > > Thanks, Rick. The red line is not a route. The red line is always > visible and shows your projected course an unlimited distance ahead. If I > change course, the red line changes as well. It’s like an on-screen laser > pointer. You point the boat in the general direction and adjust steering > until the red line goes to where you want to go. That’s your course. Miss > Connie from Romper Room could navigate a boat this way. > > > > > >
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With Navionics that I use I can put in a final destination and have it plot a course using my boat configuration settings Neil Andersen, W3NEA Rock Hall, MD 21661 484-354-8800 From: Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 8:57:48 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Rick Brass Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics I think I understand it now. The red line is always shown and infinite length, and it is based on boat heading adjusted by current - or more probably recent - set and drift. If your destination or the next turn is off the edge of the display, you zoom out to bring it onto the screen and steer to keep the boat moving to that desired point. And I presume you reduce detail, depth markers, etc. when you zoom out. In the eastern NC area where I mostly sail, but also in Chesapeake Bay and along the ICW and coast going south, my target is usually in the 10 to 30 NM range in front of me. With the plotter and IPad I usually scroll over to the target, tap the screen, and then select "Go To". That puts a line on the chart display from my starting point to the destination. Then I can scroll back (or press stop scrolling on the menu) to recenter on the boat and see the nearby detail (depths around here are frequently 10 feet or less, and the ICW has a lot of twists and turns), see the boat position and heading in relation to the course line on the chart, and make steering and trim adjustments accordingly. I wonder if the displays would work the same on Active Captain, my IPad that I use on deliveries, or my laptop had I chosen the Navionics charts instead of Bluecharts when I bought my Garmin chart plotter? Rick Brass Washington, NC -Original Message- From: Stus-List Sent: Oct 28, 2022 2:24 PM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics Thanks, Rick. The red line is not a route. The red line is always visible and shows your projected course an unlimited distance ahead. If I change course, the red line changes as well. It’s like an on-screen laser pointer. You point the boat in the general direction and adjust steering until the red line goes to where you want to go. That’s your course. Miss Connie from Romper Room could navigate a boat this way.
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I think I understand it now. The red line is always shown and infinite length, and it is based on boat heading adjusted by current - or more probably recent - set and drift. If your destination or the next turn is off the edge of the display, you zoom out to bring it onto the screen and steer to keep the boat moving to that desired point. And I presume you reduce detail, depth markers, etc. when you zoom out. In the eastern NC area where I mostly sail, but also in Chesapeake Bay and along the ICW and coast going south, my target is usually in the 10 to 30 NM range in front of me. With the plotter and IPad I usually scroll over to the target, tap the screen, and then select "Go To". That puts a line on the chart display from my starting point to the destination. Then I can scroll back (or press stop scrolling on the menu) to recenter on the boat and see the nearby detail (depths around here are frequently 10 feet or less, and the ICW has a lot of twists and turns), see the boat position and heading in relation to the course line on the chart, and make steering and trim adjustments accordingly. I wonder if the displays would work the same on Active Captain, my IPad that I use on deliveries, or my laptop had I chosen the Navionics charts instead of Bluecharts when I bought my Garmin chart plotter? Rick Brass Washington, NC -Original Message- From: Stus-List Sent: Oct 28, 2022 2:24 PM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics Thanks, Rick. The red line is not a route. The red line is always visible and shows your projected course an unlimited distance ahead. If I change course, the red line changes as well. It’s like an on-screen laser pointer. You point the boat in the general direction and adjust steering until the red line goes to where you want to go. That’s your course. Miss Connie from Romper Room could navigate a boat this way.
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Thanks, Rick. The red line is not a route. The red line is always visible and shows your projected course an unlimited distance ahead. If I change course, the red line changes as well. It’s like an on-screen laser pointer. You point the boat in the general direction and adjust steering until the red line goes to where you want to go. That’s your course. Miss Connie from Romper Room could navigate a boat this way. From: Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 12:47 PM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: Rick Brass Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics The functionality you like isn’t unique to Navionics, I think. The red line you refer to sounds like a route. When I set up a route on my Garmin chart plotter, IPAD, or Active Captain I get a black line on the chart to follow. I also have set up a heading setting that shows the current heading of the boat (as opposed to the previous course track) as a separate line, with the length of that line determined in the settings. IIRC, I have my heading line set up for 1 or 2 miles (you can also set it for time, I think.) I have this heading line on all the time. I like it because it shows my proximity to potential obstructions, ATNs, and lets me know if I have wandered off the shortest route, and it also gives me an idea of when I will get to a point on my desired route, and how far ahead the next corner is. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: Matt Wolford via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 8:56 AM To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: wolf...@erie.net <mailto:wolf...@erie.net> Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics FWIW, I like Garmin and have for a long time, but I’m not happy with everything it does (like buying and phasing out Nexus instruments). For the type of sailing I do, Navionics works fine. By way of example, I was in a race that crossed Lake Erie recently. The crossing was mostly downwind, and I was able to stand behind the wheel and keep an eye on whether I was on course using the red line that projects out. It literally allows you to see exactly where you’re heading all the time (as opposed to cross track error, which tells you how far off the rhumb line you are). When we approached Long Point, the updated Navionics chart showed me that the profile of the end of the peninsula had changed since June, which helped us round the point without running aground. After rounding the point, we headed for a buoy eight miles away, and again I could put that red line on the buoy and know my course to the mark precisely. This is how I typically use Navionics – as I said, for me it works great. If I were sailing from New York to Bermuda or something, I’d probably want more sophisticated navigation equipment. Also, although the basic Navionics functionality described above is easy, other functions are not intuitive. I’ve received phone calls from a number of fellow boaters over the years asking “how do I work this thing.” There is no Navionics for Dummies manual that I’m aware of. It should come with a manual. My two cents. Matt C&C 42 Custom From: Doug via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 5:03 PM To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> >; Doug mailto:svrebeccal...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics I have Navionics on both of my android phones and on my chart plotters. I have found here in mexico that the charts on the plotter aren't as accurate as on the androids. You would think that for $250 for the plotter Navionics charts they would be more accurate than the $21 phone charts. Just voicing my displeasure in Navionics. Which BTW is owned by Garmin. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39 Port Orchard Yacht Club +1 253-208-1412 WhatsApp&phone +52 669-267-4740 phone
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BTW, “setting up a route” for me is usually tapping a spot on the screen (except on the laptop) and then pressing the “Go To” button on the menu. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: Rick Brass via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 12:47 PM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: Rick Brass Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics The functionality you like isn’t unique to Navionics, I think. The red line you refer to sounds like a route. When I set up a route on my Garmin chart plotter, IPAD, or Active Captain I get a black line on the chart to follow. I also have set up a heading setting that shows the current heading of the boat (as opposed to the previous course track) as a separate line, with the length of that line determined in the settings. IIRC, I have my heading line set up for 1 or 2 miles (you can also set it for time, I think.) I have this heading line on all the time. I like it because it shows my proximity to potential obstructions, ATNs, and lets me know if I have wandered off the shortest route, and it also gives me an idea of when I will get to a point on my desired route, and how far ahead the next corner is. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: Matt Wolford via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 8:56 AM To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: wolf...@erie.net <mailto:wolf...@erie.net> Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics FWIW, I like Garmin and have for a long time, but I’m not happy with everything it does (like buying and phasing out Nexus instruments). For the type of sailing I do, Navionics works fine. By way of example, I was in a race that crossed Lake Erie recently. The crossing was mostly downwind, and I was able to stand behind the wheel and keep an eye on whether I was on course using the red line that projects out. It literally allows you to see exactly where you’re heading all the time (as opposed to cross track error, which tells you how far off the rhumb line you are). When we approached Long Point, the updated Navionics chart showed me that the profile of the end of the peninsula had changed since June, which helped us round the point without running aground. After rounding the point, we headed for a buoy eight miles away, and again I could put that red line on the buoy and know my course to the mark precisely. This is how I typically use Navionics – as I said, for me it works great. If I were sailing from New York to Bermuda or something, I’d probably want more sophisticated navigation equipment. Also, although the basic Navionics functionality described above is easy, other functions are not intuitive. I’ve received phone calls from a number of fellow boaters over the years asking “how do I work this thing.” There is no Navionics for Dummies manual that I’m aware of. It should come with a manual. My two cents. Matt C&C 42 Custom From: Doug via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 5:03 PM To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> >; Doug mailto:svrebeccal...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics I have Navionics on both of my android phones and on my chart plotters. I have found here in mexico that the charts on the plotter aren't as accurate as on the androids. You would think that for $250 for the plotter Navionics charts they would be more accurate than the $21 phone charts. Just voicing my displeasure in Navionics. Which BTW is owned by Garmin. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39 Port Orchard Yacht Club +1 253-208-1412 WhatsApp&phone +52 669-267-4740 phone
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The functionality you like isn’t unique to Navionics, I think. The red line you refer to sounds like a route. When I set up a route on my Garmin chart plotter, IPAD, or Active Captain I get a black line on the chart to follow. I also have set up a heading setting that shows the current heading of the boat (as opposed to the previous course track) as a separate line, with the length of that line determined in the settings. IIRC, I have my heading line set up for 1 or 2 miles (you can also set it for time, I think.) I have this heading line on all the time. I like it because it shows my proximity to potential obstructions, ATNs, and lets me know if I have wandered off the shortest route, and it also gives me an idea of when I will get to a point on my desired route, and how far ahead the next corner is. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: Matt Wolford via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 8:56 AM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: wolf...@erie.net Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics FWIW, I like Garmin and have for a long time, but I’m not happy with everything it does (like buying and phasing out Nexus instruments). For the type of sailing I do, Navionics works fine. By way of example, I was in a race that crossed Lake Erie recently. The crossing was mostly downwind, and I was able to stand behind the wheel and keep an eye on whether I was on course using the red line that projects out. It literally allows you to see exactly where you’re heading all the time (as opposed to cross track error, which tells you how far off the rhumb line you are). When we approached Long Point, the updated Navionics chart showed me that the profile of the end of the peninsula had changed since June, which helped us round the point without running aground. After rounding the point, we headed for a buoy eight miles away, and again I could put that red line on the buoy and know my course to the mark precisely. This is how I typically use Navionics – as I said, for me it works great. If I were sailing from New York to Bermuda or something, I’d probably want more sophisticated navigation equipment. Also, although the basic Navionics functionality described above is easy, other functions are not intuitive. I’ve received phone calls from a number of fellow boaters over the years asking “how do I work this thing.” There is no Navionics for Dummies manual that I’m aware of. It should come with a manual. My two cents. Matt C&C 42 Custom From: Doug via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 5:03 PM To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> >; Doug mailto:svrebeccal...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics I have Navionics on both of my android phones and on my chart plotters. I have found here in mexico that the charts on the plotter aren't as accurate as on the androids. You would think that for $250 for the plotter Navionics charts they would be more accurate than the $21 phone charts. Just voicing my displeasure in Navionics. Which BTW is owned by Garmin. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39 Port Orchard Yacht Club +1 253-208-1412 WhatsApp&phone +52 669-267-4740 phone
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I can't "see" my destinations, either. Let's say I want to go from Erie to Detroit through the Pelee Passage. Once I'm in the Lake, I head the boat in the general direction, and the red line projection on Navionics will tell me when I'm heading for the Passage (about 100 miles away). Unless there's an obstruction in between, that's my course; and Navionics will show my position the entire way there. I can get fancy and draw a route, but unless I need to be precisely on the rhumb line, who cares? If you need to create an imaginary mark to round first, you find the location on the chart, put your finger on the screen, create a marker (waypoint), and head for that. It really does simplify things for people like me who drive the whole time (no autopilot). -Original Message- From: Jeff Nelson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 11:17 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jeff Nelson Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics Generally, I can't see my destination, for instance hitting an imaginary mark off Canso, then turning on a Rhumb line to Halifax Harbour outer mark. I can do the math it is just stupid that I can't just get it off the navionics, or I can go down and read it off the raymarine chart plotter or my garmin chart plotter.
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*/I expect they will add a symbal to, "make my vessel show as an AIS target on other plotters". All the data is being tracked anyway./* With the navionics app, this would require a constant data connection. Either satellite internet, or cell data service. This currently isn't a great solution when on the water, but i t may happen once a lot of people have sat service on their boat. The beauty of AIS is that it is a universal standard. Any Garmin solution would only work with their plotters and apps. Businesses don't like universal standards, they would rather lock you into their platform for a constant revenue stream. */My presumption was that precise was determined by GPS and standard was integrated based on the available cell phone towers, which is inherently less accurate./* Incorrect. On android devices, "standard accuracy" is GPS. "Precise accuracy" is a combination of both cell towers AND GPS. Tablets and phones have tiny, internal, GPS antennas. They often have a hard time to receive from enough satellites to get good accuracy. To get a better signal, you use an external antenna, which the Navionics app can receive via NMEA over wifi. We use a WiFi Bidirectional NMEA unit that we paid less than $100 for. It allows external GPS, Depth, and speed, to be sent via wifi to Navionics on our waterproof android tablet and our phones. */I suppose the higher cost for the charts on the Garmin plotter vs the low cost of the Navionics mobile app for an IPad or phone is because there are a lot more folks using the mobile devices than boaters keeping up to date charts in their chart plotters./* /This has more to do with the market they are selling to. Navionics was designed to be a reasonably priced alternative to overpriced nav systems. Garmin bought them to remove them from competition. Garmin would likely love to charge the Navionics app boaters (who are used to the cheap navionics price) the same as they charge the people who spend a pile of money on dedicated plotters and their overpriced charts. Over time I can see Garmin slowly increasing the navionics app subscription price to better match their normal business model./ */FWIW, I like Garmin and have for a long time, but I’m not happy with everything it does (like buying and phasing out Nexus instruments)./* That is their whole business model. Buy out competitors or innovators. Garmin is mainly a hardware company, and wants to sell you their hardware and their charts at high prices. The worst thing that happened to Navionics, is them being bought by Garmin. Another was when Garmin acquired Active Captain from Karen and Jeffery Siegel...taking crowd sourced data, that anyone could access, and turning it into a Garmin product https://panbo.com/?s=active+captain One feature that is nice is the ability to use live depth finder data, to update charts. I assume it was developed as a way to acquire free crowd-sourced depth data, on lakes that are not, or rarely are, surveyed. Thank you to the original Navionics company for SonarCharts. Back when Garmin and Navionics were separate companies... Navionics was making Garmin MFD compatible charts, have SonarChart ability. Garmin intentionally patched their software so it wouldn't work. https://panbo.com/the-navionics-sonarcharts-for-garmin-conflict-messy-business/ Cheers, Roy C&C 30 Mark 1
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My Nexus instrument system and Garmin chartplotter show me critical navigation data such as: VMG - velocity made good wind based WCV - waypoint closure velocity STR - course to steer adjusted for current and leeway SOG - speed over ground COG - course over ground. SET - set DRF - drift BSP - boat speed through the water True and apparent wind However, I usually ignore all of those and monitor TIICB. TIICB is the most important reading on the boat. Oh, what is TIICB? Temperature in ice box. -- Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA
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Generally, I can't see my destination, for instance hitting an imaginary mark off Canso, then turning on a Rhumb line to Halifax Harbour outer mark. I can do the math it is just stupid that I can't just get it off the navionics, or I can go down and read it off the raymarine chart plotter or my garmin chart plotter. On 2022-10-28 12:12, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List wrote: I line up the boat's projected path line, set the autohelm, and rarely consider the compass bearing. I'm more concerned with taking the shortest distance to avoid sandbars, markers, and land masses. Chuck S On 10/28/2022 10:37 AM Matt Wolford via CnC-List wrote: I steer so the red line projects to where I'm going, then look at my compasses. Done. -Original Message- From: Jeff Nelson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 9:51 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jeff Nelson Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics -- Cheers, Jeff Nelson Muir Caileag C&C 30 - 549 Armdale Y.C.
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I found plenty of YouTube videos showing how to use the many features in Navionics. C > On 10/28/2022 8:55 AM Matt Wolford via CnC-List > wrote: > > > > FWIW, I like Garmin and have for a long time, but I’m not happy with > everything it does (like buying and phasing out Nexus instruments). > > > For the type of sailing I do, Navionics works fine. By way of example, I > was in a race that crossed Lake Erie recently. The crossing was mostly > downwind, and I was able to stand behind the wheel and keep an eye on whether > I was on course using the red line that projects out. It literally allows > you to see exactly where you’re heading all the time (as opposed to cross > track error, which tells you how far off the rhumb line you are). When we > approached Long Point, the updated Navionics chart showed me that the profile > of the end of the peninsula had changed since June, which helped us round the > point without running aground. After rounding the point, we headed for a > buoy eight miles away, and again I could put that red line on the buoy and > know my course to the mark precisely. This is how I typically use Navionics > – as I said, for me it works great. If I were sailing from New York to > Bermuda or something, I’d probably want more sophisticated navigation > equipment. > > > Also, although the basic Navionics functionality described above is easy, > other functions are not intuitive. I’ve received phone calls from a number > of fellow boaters over the years asking “how do I work this thing.” There is > no Navionics for Dummies manual that I’m aware of. It should come with a > manual. > > > My two cents. > > > Matt > > C&C 42 Custom > > > From: Doug via CnC-List > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 5:03 PM > To: Stus-List > Cc: Hoyt, Mike ; Doug > Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics > > > I have Navionics on both of my android phones and on my chart plotters. I > have found here in mexico that the charts on the plotter aren't as accurate > as on the androids. You would think that for $250 for the plotter Navionics > charts they would be more accurate than the $21 phone charts. > > Just voicing my displeasure in Navionics. Which BTW is owned by Garmin. > > > > > Doug Mountjoy > > sv Rebecca Leah > > C & C Landfall 39 > > Port Orchard Yacht Club > > +1 253-208-1412 WhatsApp&phone > > +52 669-267-4740 phone > > >
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I line up the boat's projected path line, set the autohelm, and rarely consider the compass bearing. I'm more concerned with taking the shortest distance to avoid sandbars, markers, and land masses. Chuck S > On 10/28/2022 10:37 AM Matt Wolford via CnC-List > wrote: > > > I steer so the red line projects to where I'm going, then look at my > compasses. Done. > > -Original Message- > From: Jeff Nelson via CnC-List > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 9:51 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Jeff Nelson > Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics >
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I steer so the red line projects to where I'm going, then look at my compasses. Done. -Original Message- From: Jeff Nelson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 9:51 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jeff Nelson Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics I have to say I have very limited Navionics usage under my belt. One thing that bugs me is that courses are always given in True, which means there has to be some mental math to get a compass course. I've been unable to find a way to get magnetic off Navionics straight up...anyone know? -- Cheers, Jeff Nelson Muir Caileag C&C 30 - 549 Armdale Y.C.
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Jeff,True vs magnetic North is most likely set on your device. My plotters it is set during initial set up. On my android phone it looks like I don't have the option. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39Port Orchard Yacht Club +1 253-208-1412 WhatsApp&phone+52 669-267-4740 phone Original message From: Jeff Nelson via CnC-List Date: 10/28/22 06:51 (GMT-07:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jeff Nelson Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics I have to say I have very limited Navionics usage under my belt. One thing that bugs me is thatcourses are always given in True, which means there has to be some mental math to get a compass course.I've been unable to find a way to get magnetic off Navionics straight up...anyone know?-- Cheers, Jeff Nelson Muir Caileag C&C 30 - 549 Armdale Y.C.
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I have to say I have very limited Navionics usage under my belt. One thing that bugs me is that courses are always given in True, which means there has to be some mental math to get a compass course. I've been unable to find a way to get magnetic off Navionics straight up...anyone know? -- Cheers, Jeff Nelson Muir Caileag C&C 30 - 549 Armdale Y.C.
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FWIW, I like Garmin and have for a long time, but I’m not happy with everything it does (like buying and phasing out Nexus instruments). For the type of sailing I do, Navionics works fine. By way of example, I was in a race that crossed Lake Erie recently. The crossing was mostly downwind, and I was able to stand behind the wheel and keep an eye on whether I was on course using the red line that projects out. It literally allows you to see exactly where you’re heading all the time (as opposed to cross track error, which tells you how far off the rhumb line you are). When we approached Long Point, the updated Navionics chart showed me that the profile of the end of the peninsula had changed since June, which helped us round the point without running aground. After rounding the point, we headed for a buoy eight miles away, and again I could put that red line on the buoy and know my course to the mark precisely. This is how I typically use Navionics – as I said, for me it works great. If I were sailing from New York to Bermuda or something, I’d probably want more sophisticated navigation equipment. Also, although the basic Navionics functionality described above is easy, other functions are not intuitive. I’ve received phone calls from a number of fellow boaters over the years asking “how do I work this thing.” There is no Navionics for Dummies manual that I’m aware of. It should come with a manual. My two cents. Matt C&C 42 Custom From: Doug via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 5:03 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Hoyt, Mike ; Doug Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics I have Navionics on both of my android phones and on my chart plotters. I have found here in mexico that the charts on the plotter aren't as accurate as on the androids. You would think that for $250 for the plotter Navionics charts they would be more accurate than the $21 phone charts. Just voicing my displeasure in Navionics. Which BTW is owned by Garmin. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39 Port Orchard Yacht Club +1 253-208-1412 WhatsApp&phone +52 669-267-4740 phone
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As you point out, Navionics is owned by Garmin. The new chart plotter that I bought a few months ago came with Bluechart G2 charts standard, and Navionics charts were a no cost option. For a fee I could upgrade to Bluechart G3, which was basically the same Garmin charts with extra functionality. With G3 you could put in the draft, air draft, etc. of your boat and when you routed from point A to point B, for example, the plotter would lay out a route curving around shoals and shallows and keeping you from going under bridges too low for the mast height you enter. (Which is pretty cool, but is basically the functionality I’ve seen on Garmin products sold to over the road truckers who have to avoid going under short bridges and worry about length and weight restrictions among other stuff.) My preference is for the Bluecharts, mainly because the depth color shading and symbols used are those on a NOAA printed chart, whereas Navionics has always shown a different pattern for depth shading and used a different set of symbols for ATNs. So I installed the Bluechart G2 charts. After downloading the charts and registering the plotter (or maybe it was the charts) I also had the option of installing them on my other devices. So I have the same charts on my IPad Air (which I use when doing deliveries and such) and on my laptop. A few days ago I got an email from Garmin announcing a new line of chart plotters being introduced. The basic charts are Navionics, with Garmin charts as an option. IIRC, when I decide to update the (relatively recent) charts on my chart plotter – and other devices including what shows up in Active Captain - the North American charts will cost the better part of $200. I suppose the higher cost for the charts on the Garmin plotter vs the low cost of the Navionics mobile app for an IPad or phone is because there are a lot more folks using the mobile devices than boaters keeping up to date charts in their chart plotters. So the cost of maintaining the chart database is spread out a lot more widely. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: Doug via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 5:03 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Hoyt, Mike ; Doug Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics I have Navionics on both of my android phones and on my chart plotters. I have found here in mexico that the charts on the plotter aren't as accurate as on the androids. You would think that for $250 for the plotter Navionics charts they would be more accurate than the $21 phone charts. Just voicing my displeasure in Navionics. Which BTW is owned by Garmin. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39 Port Orchard Yacht Club +1 253-208-1412 WhatsApp&phone +52 669-267-4740 phone
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Rick, I agree with you, could be the phone. This should at least be a note to all those that use the phone to navigate….check your settings and accuracy before you assume. Thanks, Paul Hood 416-799-5549 From: Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: October 27, 2022 9:03 PM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: Rick Brass Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics Paul; The inaccuracy may not be with the data in Navionics, it may be the result of the location information in the phone. When I got my current Samsung (android) phone I had the option of using a “standard” or “precise” location (or some term to that effect). My presumption was that precise was determined by GPS and standard was integrated based on the available cell phone towers, which is inherently less accurate. I know that the emergency response folks in my community take the location information they get from people using cell phones as approximate, and are trained to ask for visible landmarks to be more precise so they can give first responders a more accurate location description. I know I’ve used Google Maps on my phone and IPad in the car for directions, and I’ve noted that my current location on the map often shows up as maybe 200-300 feet northwest of my driveway. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: Paul Hood via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 5:54 PM To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: 'Hoyt, Mike' mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> >; Paul Hood mailto:paul.h...@rogers.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics Several times this summer I’m running through narrow channels using my chart plotter and although I am visibly in the center of the channel, and my plotter shows I’m in the center, my wife’s android phone with Navionics shows us on land. That happened 3 times in different locations. My friend was on the boat earlier in the summer and his iPhone/Navionics identified the same problem, different location. My plotter always seemed to be correct, while the Navionics on the phones doesn’t give me the confidence. I’m in a rocky area and 50ft variation can be the difference between a hole in the bottom or not. I’m sure the variation between devices was 100-200ft. I use the Navionics as a backup at best. Thanks, Paul Hood 416-799-5549 From: Doug via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: October 27, 2022 5:03 PM To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> >; Doug mailto:svrebeccal...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics I have Navionics on both of my android phones and on my chart plotters. I have found here in mexico that the charts on the plotter aren't as accurate as on the androids. You would think that for $250 for the plotter Navionics charts they would be more accurate than the $21 phone charts. Just voicing my displeasure in Navionics. Which BTW is owned by Garmin. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39 Port Orchard Yacht Club +1 253-208-1412 WhatsApp&phone +52 669-267-4740 phone
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Paul; The inaccuracy may not be with the data in Navionics, it may be the result of the location information in the phone. When I got my current Samsung (android) phone I had the option of using a “standard” or “precise” location (or some term to that effect). My presumption was that precise was determined by GPS and standard was integrated based on the available cell phone towers, which is inherently less accurate. I know that the emergency response folks in my community take the location information they get from people using cell phones as approximate, and are trained to ask for visible landmarks to be more precise so they can give first responders a more accurate location description. I know I’ve used Google Maps on my phone and IPad in the car for directions, and I’ve noted that my current location on the map often shows up as maybe 200-300 feet northwest of my driveway. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: Paul Hood via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 5:54 PM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: 'Hoyt, Mike' ; Paul Hood Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics Several times this summer I’m running through narrow channels using my chart plotter and although I am visibly in the center of the channel, and my plotter shows I’m in the center, my wife’s android phone with Navionics shows us on land. That happened 3 times in different locations. My friend was on the boat earlier in the summer and his iPhone/Navionics identified the same problem, different location. My plotter always seemed to be correct, while the Navionics on the phones doesn’t give me the confidence. I’m in a rocky area and 50ft variation can be the difference between a hole in the bottom or not. I’m sure the variation between devices was 100-200ft. I use the Navionics as a backup at best. Thanks, Paul Hood 416-799-5549 From: Doug via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: October 27, 2022 5:03 PM To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> >; Doug mailto:svrebeccal...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics I have Navionics on both of my android phones and on my chart plotters. I have found here in mexico that the charts on the plotter aren't as accurate as on the androids. You would think that for $250 for the plotter Navionics charts they would be more accurate than the $21 phone charts. Just voicing my displeasure in Navionics. Which BTW is owned by Garmin. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39 Port Orchard Yacht Club +1 253-208-1412 WhatsApp&phone +52 669-267-4740 phone
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Several times this summer I’m running through narrow channels using my chart plotter and although I am visibly in the center of the channel, and my plotter shows I’m in the center, my wife’s android phone with Navionics shows us on land. That happened 3 times in different locations. My friend was on the boat earlier in the summer and his iPhone/Navionics identified the same problem, different location. My plotter always seemed to be correct, while the Navionics on the phones doesn’t give me the confidence. I’m in a rocky area and 50ft variation can be the difference between a hole in the bottom or not. I’m sure the variation between devices was 100-200ft. I use the Navionics as a backup at best. Thanks, Paul Hood 416-799-5549 From: Doug via CnC-List Sent: October 27, 2022 5:03 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Hoyt, Mike ; Doug Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics I have Navionics on both of my android phones and on my chart plotters. I have found here in mexico that the charts on the plotter aren't as accurate as on the androids. You would think that for $250 for the plotter Navionics charts they would be more accurate than the $21 phone charts. Just voicing my displeasure in Navionics. Which BTW is owned by Garmin. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39 Port Orchard Yacht Club +1 253-208-1412 WhatsApp&phone +52 669-267-4740 phone
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I have Navionics on both of my android phones and on my chart plotters. I have found here in mexico that the charts on the plotter aren't as accurate as on the androids. You would think that for $250 for the plotter Navionics charts they would be more accurate than the $21 phone charts. Just voicing my displeasure in Navionics. Which BTW is owned by Garmin. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39Port Orchard Yacht Club +1 253-208-1412 WhatsApp&phone+52 669-267-4740 phone
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Have on with a mini ipad w/waterproof case and swing mount on my pedestal. Have the phone version too. Really fun when I fly for work to see how the speed/course. John McCrea Talisman 1979 36-1 Mystic, CT From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 2:10 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Hoyt, Mike ; Neil Andersen Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics Works great with Apple products. The only issue I have with Navionics is that you need a specific version if you want to interface with Garmin gear. Neil Andersen, W3NEA Rock Hall, MD 21661 484-354-8800 _ From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 2:02:51 PM To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics Hi Chuck I had Navionics on my Windows Surface tablet running windows 8.1 RT. I had all the charts and price was good. Loved it When I upgraded to a Windows 10 tablet Navionics was available but the charts were not. Even if I owned them. That was not running a tablet OS but rather actual Windows 10 that would be on a computer. Just upgraded tablet to Samsung Galaxy A8 (very affordable). Navionics on my Samsung S21 available for free on this tablet and includes all charts. Is great Not sure Mac OS on their laptops works for the apple version or if it is restricted like the Windows 10 version was. Also not sure if Garmin has opened up Navionics (Boating HD actually) on PCs running Windows to be able to get the charts since I last tried. Any way. Small warning to those expecting to use this great app on a laptop that it may not work Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: October 27, 2022 2:47 PM To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> > Subject: Stus-List Navionics I've always paid for Garmin updates and enjoyed their products. But I saw Navionics on a friend's tablet and thought I'd try that. I paid $21 for an annual subscription to Navionics for the entire US and Canada. and the same subscription applies to three devices; my PC, my cell phone and a future tablet. I think it's well worth the price as I can plan routes on my laptop, and now have a plotter on my cell phone, so it's always with me, no matter what boat I'm on. I know I'm late to the party on this, so any advice on using it is appreciated. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Magothy River, Md
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I will add that Navionics stops upgrading on older iPads, rendering them of dubious value for important updates (like depth changes). From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 2:03 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics Hi Chuck I had Navionics on my Windows Surface tablet running windows 8.1 RT. I had all the charts and price was good. Loved it When I upgraded to a Windows 10 tablet Navionics was available but the charts were not. Even if I owned them. That was not running a tablet OS but rather actual Windows 10 that would be on a computer. Just upgraded tablet to Samsung Galaxy A8 (very affordable). Navionics on my Samsung S21 available for free on this tablet and includes all charts. Is great Not sure Mac OS on their laptops works for the apple version or if it is restricted like the Windows 10 version was. Also not sure if Garmin has opened up Navionics (Boating HD actually) on PCs running Windows to be able to get the charts since I last tried. Any way. Small warning to those expecting to use this great app on a laptop that it may not work Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: October 27, 2022 2:47 PM To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> > Subject: Stus-List Navionics I've always paid for Garmin updates and enjoyed their products. But I saw Navionics on a friend's tablet and thought I'd try that. I paid $21 for an annual subscription to Navionics for the entire US and Canada. and the same subscription applies to three devices; my PC, my cell phone and a future tablet. I think it's well worth the price as I can plan routes on my laptop, and now have a plotter on my cell phone, so it's always with me, no matter what boat I'm on. I know I'm late to the party on this, so any advice on using it is appreciated. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Magothy River, Md
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Unless it improved recently, the Navionics display of AIS targets is about 20 years behind everyone else’s. If you don’t care about that it is a decent program. I have been using Aquamap and SeaIQ on the i-things and OpenCPN on the computer. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I Kent Island MD USA From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 1:47 PM To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Stus-List Navionics I've always paid for Garmin updates and enjoyed their products. But I saw Navionics on a friend's tablet and thought I'd try that. I paid $21 for an annual subscription to Navionics for the entire US and Canada. and the same subscription applies to three devices; my PC, my cell phone and a future tablet. I think it's well worth the price as I can plan routes on my laptop, and now have a plotter on my cell phone, so it's always with me, no matter what boat I'm on. I know I'm late to the party on this, so any advice on using it is appreciated. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Magothy River, Md
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Works great with Apple products. The only issue I have with Navionics is that you need a specific version if you want to interface with Garmin gear. Neil Andersen, W3NEA Rock Hall, MD 21661 484-354-8800 From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 2:02:51 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics Hi Chuck I had Navionics on my Windows Surface tablet running windows 8.1 RT. I had all the charts and price was good. Loved it When I upgraded to a Windows 10 tablet Navionics was available but the charts were not. Even if I owned them. That was not running a tablet OS but rather actual Windows 10 that would be on a computer. Just upgraded tablet to Samsung Galaxy A8 (very affordable). Navionics on my Samsung S21 available for free on this tablet and includes all charts. Is great Not sure Mac OS on their laptops works for the apple version or if it is restricted like the Windows 10 version was. Also not sure if Garmin has opened up Navionics (Boating HD actually) on PCs running Windows to be able to get the charts since I last tried. Any way. Small warning to those expecting to use this great app on a laptop that it may not work Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: October 27, 2022 2:47 PM To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Stus-List Navionics I've always paid for Garmin updates and enjoyed their products. But I saw Navionics on a friend's tablet and thought I'd try that. I paid $21 for an annual subscription to Navionics for the entire US and Canada. and the same subscription applies to three devices; my PC, my cell phone and a future tablet. I think it's well worth the price as I can plan routes on my laptop, and now have a plotter on my cell phone, so it's always with me, no matter what boat I'm on. I know I'm late to the party on this, so any advice on using it is appreciated. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Magothy River, Md
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Hi Chuck I had Navionics on my Windows Surface tablet running windows 8.1 RT. I had all the charts and price was good. Loved it When I upgraded to a Windows 10 tablet Navionics was available but the charts were not. Even if I owned them. That was not running a tablet OS but rather actual Windows 10 that would be on a computer. Just upgraded tablet to Samsung Galaxy A8 (very affordable). Navionics on my Samsung S21 available for free on this tablet and includes all charts. Is great Not sure Mac OS on their laptops works for the apple version or if it is restricted like the Windows 10 version was. Also not sure if Garmin has opened up Navionics (Boating HD actually) on PCs running Windows to be able to get the charts since I last tried. Any way. Small warning to those expecting to use this great app on a laptop that it may not work Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: October 27, 2022 2:47 PM To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Stus-List Navionics I've always paid for Garmin updates and enjoyed their products. But I saw Navionics on a friend's tablet and thought I'd try that. I paid $21 for an annual subscription to Navionics for the entire US and Canada. and the same subscription applies to three devices; my PC, my cell phone and a future tablet. I think it's well worth the price as I can plan routes on my laptop, and now have a plotter on my cell phone, so it's always with me, no matter what boat I'm on. I know I'm late to the party on this, so any advice on using it is appreciated. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Magothy River, Md
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Chuck: I’ve been using Navionics on a pedestal-mounted iPad for years (also have it on my phone), and it works fine for what I need on Lake Erie. However, I was chastised by someone on this list for previously reporting this. Apparently, the lister believed that only a Chart Plotter is sufficient for “true” navigation. That may well be true for other parts of the country. Matt P.S. I still have charts on board if dead reckoning becomes necessary. From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 1:47 PM To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Stus-List Navionics I've always paid for Garmin updates and enjoyed their products. But I saw Navionics on a friend's tablet and thought I'd try that. I paid $21 for an annual subscription to Navionics for the entire US and Canada. and the same subscription applies to three devices; my PC, my cell phone and a future tablet. I think it's well worth the price as I can plan routes on my laptop, and now have a plotter on my cell phone, so it's always with me, no matter what boat I'm on. I know I'm late to the party on this, so any advice on using it is appreciated. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Magothy River, Md
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I have been using Navionics for the past 4 years for Great Lakes cruising. Best investment I ever made when it comes to navigation. You won’t be sorry. Barry McKee C&C 29 Mk I “Discovery II Bronte, Ontario From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: 27-Oct-22 1:47 PM To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Stus-List Navionics I've always paid for Garmin updates and enjoyed their products. But I saw Navionics on a friend's tablet and thought I'd try that. I paid $21 for an annual subscription to Navionics for the entire US and Canada. and the same subscription applies to three devices; my PC, my cell phone and a future tablet. I think it's well worth the price as I can plan routes on my laptop, and now have a plotter on my cell phone, so it's always with me, no matter what boat I'm on. I know I'm late to the party on this, so any advice on using it is appreciated. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Magothy River, Md
