Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.
Thanks for the kind words Chuck- lots of great info learned on this list from you and others has found its way to that blog. Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 8, 2022, at 3:25 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER wrote: > > > Dave S, > Enjoyed your website. Excellent research and documentation on each project. > So many different skills. I saw a few of my old posts and learned several > things including we're the same age. > > Thanks for helping the C community by sharing the great work. > > Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, Annapolis >>> On 01/08/2022 10:45 AM Dave S via CnC-List wrote: >>> >>> >>> With respect to all concerned, the yard employee’s guidance to paint the >>> C rudder white reminded me of the sort of prank played on apprentice >>> electricians: >>> >>> “Billy, quick, go to the foreman and get me a wire stretcher”. >>> >>> Have never seen this white rudder thing in southern Ontario- seems to me >>> that if it heats and thaws it not only contracts but any liquid or gas can >>> escape via the same path it used to enter. >>> >>> “Billy - Those C’s can go off like grenades when the sun comes out” >>> >>> That said - my experience is limited only to itself. >>> >>> Anyway, am Happy to share that my ownership experience is like Matthew’s >>> and others - my 33-2 rudder remains dry and sound, however I do watch it >>> closely and have been proactive with preventative maintenance. Draining a >>> wet one seems like a good interim idea for sure. >>> >>> Pics here of Windstar’s rudder being entombed in epoxy as well as pics of a >>> really nasty rudder failure on a Squadron 36 >>> >>> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2021/04/?m=1 >>> >>> Pics here of what can happen to keels in an area with seasonal haul out and >>> freeze/thaw cycles. >>> >>> https://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2016/09/mid-1980s-c-keel-issues.html?m=1 >>> >>> Freezing here at the moment. >>> >>> Dave 33-2 windstar >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jan 8, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Matthew via CnC-List >>> wrote: >>> >>> My 42 Custom, my previous 34, and the 36 of the same vintage all have a >>> similar design for the rudder. The top of the rudder where the rudder post >>> enters is out of the water when the boat is at rest. If you have a >>> reasonably good seal where the rudder post enters, water infiltration >>> should be kept to a minimum. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: John Read via CnC-List >>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 5:40 PM >>> To: 'Stus-List' >>> Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net; 'Martin DeYoung' ; >>> John Read >>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White. >>> >>> >>> >>> My C 34 now 40 years old and nary a problem in this regard. Prior boat >>> 25 years nary a problem. I think the issue has more to do with how the >>> rudder is constructed. If just shaped foam covered with a few layers of >>> glass and even better is water logged then might be a problem. Mine is >>> solid glass 3-4 inches thick around entire perimeter and is dry so no >>> problems. John your 36 has older thick not really tapered design so most >>> likely not an issue for you. >>> >>> >>> >>> My 2 cents American J >>> >>> >>> >>> John Read >>> >>> Legacy III >>> >>> 1982 C 34 >>> >>> Noank, CT >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] >>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 4:02 PM >>> To: Stus-List >>> Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net; Martin DeYoung >>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White. >>> >>> >>> >>> Not quite the same risk but last summer (2021) when Calypso was hauled out >>> for paint and repairs the PNW experienced a stretch of very hot weather. It >>> was enough sustained heat that all the white lithium grease around the >>> rudder bearings “melted” and ran down the rudder to puddle on the tarp >>> (ground). >>> >>> >>> >>> Fortunately it cooled down before we got around to stripping/painting the >>> rudder. >>> >>> I posted reminders to refill the packing gland before launching but after
Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.
Dave S, Enjoyed your website. Excellent research and documentation on each project. So many different skills. I saw a few of my old posts and learned several things including we're the same age. Thanks for helping the C community by sharing the great work. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, Annapolis > On 01/08/2022 10:45 AM Dave S via CnC-List wrote: > > > With respect to all concerned, the yard employee’s guidance to paint the > C rudder white reminded me of the sort of prank played on apprentice > electricians: > > “Billy, quick, go to the foreman and get me a wire stretcher”. > > Have never seen this white rudder thing in southern Ontario- seems to me > that if it heats and thaws it not only contracts but any liquid or gas can > escape via the same path it used to enter. > > “Billy - Those C’s can go off like grenades when the sun comes out” > > That said - my experience is limited only to itself. > > Anyway, am Happy to share that my ownership experience is like Matthew’s > and others - my 33-2 rudder remains dry and sound, however I do watch it > closely and have been proactive with preventative maintenance. Draining a > wet one seems like a good interim idea for sure. > > Pics here of Windstar’s rudder being entombed in epoxy as well as pics of > a really nasty rudder failure on a Squadron 36 > > http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2021/04/?m=1 > > Pics here of what can happen to keels in an area with seasonal haul out > and freeze/thaw cycles. > > https://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2016/09/mid-1980s-c-keel-issues.html?m=1 > > Freezing here at the moment. > > Dave 33-2 windstar > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jan 8, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Matthew via CnC-List > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > My 42 Custom, my previous 34, and the 36 of the same vintage all > > have a similar design for the rudder. The top of the rudder where the > > rudder post enters is out of the water when the boat is at rest. If you > > have a reasonably good seal where the rudder post enters, water > > infiltration should be kept to a minimum. > > > > > > From: John Read via CnC-List > > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 5:40 PM > > To: 'Stus-List' > > Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net; 'Martin DeYoung' > > ; John Read > > Subject: Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White. > > > > > > My C 34 now 40 years old and nary a problem in this regard. > > Prior boat 25 years nary a problem. I think the issue has more to do with > > how the rudder is constructed. If just shaped foam covered with a few > > layers of glass and even better is water logged then might be a problem. > > Mine is solid glass 3-4 inches thick around entire perimeter and is dry so > > no problems. John your 36 has older thick not really tapered design so > > most likely not an issue for you. > > > > > > > > My 2 cents American J > > > > > > > > John Read > > > > Legacy III > > > > 1982 C 34 > > > > Noank, CT > > > > > > > > From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] > > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 4:02 PM > > To: Stus-List > > Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net mailto:johnmcc...@comcast.net ; Martin > > DeYoung > > Subject: Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White. > > > > > > Not quite the same risk but last summer (2021) when Calypso was > > hauled out for paint and repairs the PNW experienced a stretch of very hot > > weather. It was enough sustained heat that all the white lithium grease > > around the rudder bearings “melted” and ran down the rudder to puddle on > > the tarp (ground). > > > > > > Fortunately it cooled down before we got around to > > stripping/painting the rudder. > > > > I posted reminders to refill the packing gland before launching but > > after all painting was finished. It took most of a grease tube before I > > observed a suitable amount of grease squirting out of the usual places. > > > > Martin DeYoung > > > > Calypso > > > > 1971 C 43 > > > > Port Ludlow/Seattle > > > > > > On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:53 AM, John McCrea via CnC-List > > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-li
Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.
With respect to all concerned, the yard employee’s guidance to paint the C rudder white reminded me of the sort of prank played on apprentice electricians: “Billy, quick, go to the foreman and get me a wire stretcher”. Have never seen this white rudder thing in southern Ontario- seems to me that if it heats and thaws it not only contracts but any liquid or gas can escape via the same path it used to enter. “Billy - Those C’s can go off like grenades when the sun comes out” That said - my experience is limited only to itself. Anyway, am Happy to share that my ownership experience is like Matthew’s and others - my 33-2 rudder remains dry and sound, however I do watch it closely and have been proactive with preventative maintenance. Draining a wet one seems like a good interim idea for sure. Pics here of Windstar’s rudder being entombed in epoxy as well as pics of a really nasty rudder failure on a Squadron 36 http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2021/04/?m=1 Pics here of what can happen to keels in an area with seasonal haul out and freeze/thaw cycles. https://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2016/09/mid-1980s-c-keel-issues.html?m=1 Freezing here at the moment. Dave 33-2 windstar Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 8, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Matthew via CnC-List > wrote: > > > My 42 Custom, my previous 34, and the 36 of the same vintage all have a > similar design for the rudder. The top of the rudder where the rudder post > enters is out of the water when the boat is at rest. If you have a > reasonably good seal where the rudder post enters, water infiltration should > be kept to a minimum. > > From: John Read via CnC-List > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 5:40 PM > To: 'Stus-List' > Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net; 'Martin DeYoung' ; > John Read > Subject: Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White. > > My C 34 now 40 years old and nary a problem in this regard. Prior boat 25 > years nary a problem. I think the issue has more to do with how the rudder > is constructed. If just shaped foam covered with a few layers of glass and > even better is water logged then might be a problem. Mine is solid glass 3-4 > inches thick around entire perimeter and is dry so no problems. John your 36 > has older thick not really tapered design so most likely not an issue for you. > > My 2 cents American J > > John Read > Legacy III > 1982 C 34 > Noank, CT > > From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 4:02 PM > To: Stus-List > Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net; Martin DeYoung > Subject: Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White. > > Not quite the same risk but last summer (2021) when Calypso was hauled out > for paint and repairs the PNW experienced a stretch of very hot weather. It > was enough sustained heat that all the white lithium grease around the rudder > bearings “melted” and ran down the rudder to puddle on the tarp (ground). > > Fortunately it cooled down before we got around to stripping/painting the > rudder. > I posted reminders to refill the packing gland before launching but after all > painting was finished. It took most of a grease tube before I observed a > suitable amount of grease squirting out of the usual places. > > Martin DeYoung > Calypso > 1971 C 43 > Port Ludlow/Seattle > > > On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:53 AM, John McCrea via CnC-List > wrote: > > > Curious if anyone has been told that you should paint their rudders white to > prevent issues when the boat is out for the winter? One of the staff at my > winter yard told me he has seen C rudders burst due to the sun heating them > up? > > I used to do this on my past Ericson 32 as the previous owner had and told me > that they had similar issues. Did not on our last C 37XL nor our current, > and the previous owner of 25 years did not. I am so buried with other boats > around me I doubt I even get any sun exposure. I assume once the boat is in > the water it does not matter. Thanks! > > John McCrea > Talisman > 1979 36-1 > Mystic, CT > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.
My 42 Custom, my previous 34, and the 36 of the same vintage all have a similar design for the rudder. The top of the rudder where the rudder post enters is out of the water when the boat is at rest. If you have a reasonably good seal where the rudder post enters, water infiltration should be kept to a minimum. From: John Read via CnC-List Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 5:40 PM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net; 'Martin DeYoung' ; John Read Subject: Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White. My C 34 now 40 years old and nary a problem in this regard. Prior boat 25 years nary a problem. I think the issue has more to do with how the rudder is constructed. If just shaped foam covered with a few layers of glass and even better is water logged then might be a problem. Mine is solid glass 3-4 inches thick around entire perimeter and is dry so no problems. John your 36 has older thick not really tapered design so most likely not an issue for you. My 2 cents American :) John Read Legacy III 1982 C 34 Noank, CT From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 4:02 PM To: Stus-List Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net <mailto:johnmcc...@comcast.net> ; Martin DeYoung Subject: Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White. Not quite the same risk but last summer (2021) when Calypso was hauled out for paint and repairs the PNW experienced a stretch of very hot weather. It was enough sustained heat that all the white lithium grease around the rudder bearings “melted” and ran down the rudder to puddle on the tarp (ground). Fortunately it cooled down before we got around to stripping/painting the rudder. I posted reminders to refill the packing gland before launching but after all painting was finished. It took most of a grease tube before I observed a suitable amount of grease squirting out of the usual places. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 C 43 Port Ludlow/Seattle On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:53 AM, John McCrea via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Curious if anyone has been told that you should paint their rudders white to prevent issues when the boat is out for the winter? One of the staff at my winter yard told me he has seen C rudders burst due to the sun heating them up? I used to do this on my past Ericson 32 as the previous owner had and told me that they had similar issues. Did not on our last C 37XL nor our current, and the previous owner of 25 years did not. I am so buried with other boats around me I doubt I even get any sun exposure. I assume once the boat is in the water it does not matter. Thanks! John McCrea Talisman 1979 36-1 Mystic, CT Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.
John, I winter in northern Michigan, and I have no doubt that the sun hitting one side of my rudder when on the hard through the winter heated up that side(vc 17 gray) drawing moisture to that side, and freezing at night. That side of rudder developed hairline, very hairline, cracks in gel coat. I had rudder dried out, glassed over and all is fine. But I do understand others have at least wrapped rudder in something to prevent the heating a mbv d freezing. Bill Walker CnC 36Pentwater, Mi. On Friday, January 7, 2022, 01:53:14 PM EST, John McCrea via CnC-List wrote: Curious if anyone has been told that you should paint their rudders white to prevent issues when the boat is out for the winter? One of the staff at my winter yard told me he has seen C rudders burst due to the sun heating them up? I used to do this on my past Ericson 32 as the previous owner had and told me that they had similar issues. Did not on our last C 37XL nor our current, and the previous owner of 25 years did not. I am so buried with other boats around me I doubt I even get any sun exposure. I assume once the boat is in the water it does not matter. Thanks! John McCrea Talisman 1979 36-1 Mystic, CT Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.
My C 34 now 40 years old and nary a problem in this regard. Prior boat 25 years nary a problem. I think the issue has more to do with how the rudder is constructed. If just shaped foam covered with a few layers of glass and even better is water logged then might be a problem. Mine is solid glass 3-4 inches thick around entire perimeter and is dry so no problems. John your 36 has older thick not really tapered design so most likely not an issue for you. My 2 cents American J John Read Legacy III 1982 C 34 Noank, CT From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 4:02 PM To: Stus-List Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net; Martin DeYoung Subject: Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White. Not quite the same risk but last summer (2021) when Calypso was hauled out for paint and repairs the PNW experienced a stretch of very hot weather. It was enough sustained heat that all the white lithium grease around the rudder bearings “melted” and ran down the rudder to puddle on the tarp (ground). Fortunately it cooled down before we got around to stripping/painting the rudder. I posted reminders to refill the packing gland before launching but after all painting was finished. It took most of a grease tube before I observed a suitable amount of grease squirting out of the usual places. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 C 43 Port Ludlow/Seattle On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:53 AM, John McCrea via CnC-List wrote: Curious if anyone has been told that you should paint their rudders white to prevent issues when the boat is out for the winter? One of the staff at my winter yard told me he has seen C rudders burst due to the sun heating them up? I used to do this on my past Ericson 32 as the previous owner had and told me that they had similar issues. Did not on our last C 37XL nor our current, and the previous owner of 25 years did not. I am so buried with other boats around me I doubt I even get any sun exposure. I assume once the boat is in the water it does not matter. Thanks! John McCrea Talisman 1979 36-1 Mystic, CT Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.
Not quite the same risk but last summer (2021) when Calypso was hauled out for paint and repairs the PNW experienced a stretch of very hot weather. It was enough sustained heat that all the white lithium grease around the rudder bearings “melted” and ran down the rudder to puddle on the tarp (ground). Fortunately it cooled down before we got around to stripping/painting the rudder. I posted reminders to refill the packing gland before launching but after all painting was finished. It took most of a grease tube before I observed a suitable amount of grease squirting out of the usual places. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 C 43 Port Ludlow/Seattle On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:53 AM, John McCrea via CnC-List wrote: Curious if anyone has been told that you should paint their rudders white to prevent issues when the boat is out for the winter? One of the staff at my winter yard told me he has seen C rudders burst due to the sun heating them up? I used to do this on my past Ericson 32 as the previous owner had and told me that they had similar issues. Did not on our last C 37XL nor our current, and the previous owner of 25 years did not. I am so buried with other boats around me I doubt I even get any sun exposure. I assume once the boat is in the water it does not matter. Thanks! John McCrea Talisman 1979 36-1 Mystic, CT Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.
Had our boat hauled at several different yards over twenty years and never heard any warning to paint a rudder white for winter. That sounds like something you might do to protect the rudder from excessive heating if it's stored in a sunny location for a long period of time, like in Florida or southern Callifornia. One boatyard yard in Mamaroneck, NY drilled a drain hole in every rudder in the yard as part of their haulout procedure. That was about 300 boats. I continue that practice myself though no one else does. I also place cheap dollar store plastic buckets over my winches so rain or snow doesn't create pockets of water in the bearings. Then I white tarp the deck to reduce the water damage that could result from melting snow entering deck hardware. A good winter cover would be better. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R Annapolis > On 01/07/2022 1:52 PM John McCrea via CnC-List > wrote: > > > > Curious if anyone has been told that you should paint their rudders white > to prevent issues when the boat is out for the winter? One of the staff at my > winter yard told me he has seen C rudders burst due to the sun heating them > up? > > > > I used to do this on my past Ericson 32 as the previous owner had and > told me that they had similar issues. Did not on our last C 37XL nor our > current, and the previous owner of 25 years did not. I am so buried with > other boats around me I doubt I even get any sun exposure. I assume once the > boat is in the water it does not matter. Thanks! > > > > John McCrea > > Talisman > > 1979 36-1 > > Mystic, CT > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help > with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
