Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I used to tie the spring line to my jib track slide car before I switched
to the soft shackle on the toe rail.

In summary, there are a lot of ways to tie a spring line to a boat.

  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 5:16 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Me 2, in front of the Garhaur Track cars.  I never use the front most end
> of the track anyway.  My spring line lives on it.
>
> At 05:05 AM 3/10/2021, you wrote:
>
> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=598
> This what I use attached behind the lower stays/shrouds on the Genoa track
>
>
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Me 2, in front of the Garhaur Track cars.  I 
never use the front most end of the track anyway.  My spring line lives on it.


At 05:05 AM 3/10/2021, you wrote:

https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=598
This what I use attached behind the lower stays/shrouds on the Genoa track

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On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:27 AM, Peter McMinn via 
CnC-List  wrote:




A question for those of us with aluminum toe 
rails. I’d like to find a solution for 
midship cleating for docking/departing and 
springline placement. I’m currently securing 
a line around a stanchion mount, which seems 
strong, but I’d like to find a cleat that 
mounts to the toe rail. Haven’t seen anything 
in the catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or 
even a soft shackle through a rail hole might 
be a good fix. Given the general opinion that 
midship cleating is handy, I’m curious what you use.
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Agreed. Carry a spare specifically for this purpose.

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On Mar 11, 2021, at 6:00 PM, Chuck Saur via CnC-List  
wrote:


On several nasty nights I used my hefty Wichard snatch blocks for midship 
tether (to keep me off the dock, attached to a neighboring spring piling) and 
other times for springlines.  Just clip 'em on to wherever you need on the 
toerail.  Works great.


Chuck Saur
517 490-5926 Cell


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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Ted Drossos via CnC-List]

Bill,
The cleats were manufactured by Barton. They are made with nylon and are the 
200mm size. The track that they slide onto was custom made from aluminum and 
are anodized. They are screwed to the toerail using the original hole spacing 
so no additional holes were needed. It is not possible to add additional 
fasteners at the same spacing of the toerail as someone suggested. The curved 
shape of the toerail will not permit a longer track to be used and would cause 
interference between the track and the toerail. You would not be able to 
install or remove the cleat after the track is bolted in place. 
Ted Drossos
C 110Lady in RedBay Shore, NY  


-Original Message-
From: WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List 
To: Dave S via CnC-List 
Cc: WILLIAM WALKER 
Sent: Thu, Mar 11, 2021 8:24 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

 Ted,   Could you provide info on parts you used?  What material did you use as 
base for track?  I assume replace two of the toe rail machine screws with 
proper length.  Love this idea.  Bill WalkerCnC 36Pentwater, Mi.
   


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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Hi All,
Similar to what is being discussed, I have had good success with using
short climbing slings/strops through my toe rail. I order the 12" version
and luggage tag it across about 3-4 slots in the aluminum to spread the
load. I have them at the bow and at two spring locations along each side,
port and starboard. The black strop basically disappears aesthetically
against the black aluminum toe rail. I have been using them for about a
year and no signs of chafe, UV discoloration or degradation, etc. I will
throw them away and put new ones on at first sign of them being worn. They
are strong as heck (5,170lbs test) and at ~$4.50 each, it is hard to argue
with their value or that my time is worth less in order to splice soft
shackles together.
I do connect my docking lines to these strops with strong, but affordable,
aluminum climbing carabiners. These are $7 each with a straight line
working load equivalent of 5,300lbs. Depending on the bale type, there is a
chance for aluminum corrosion due to the saline environment. A couple of
times a year I spray PB blaster on the carabiner and that seems to keep the
natural forces at bay, but they are cheap enough not to worry about
occasional replacement either.  The whole system keeps my boat firmly
attached to the finger and creates an 'easy on, easy off' docking
experience.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B081GGD4X6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1
https://www.rei.com/product/169034/black-diamond-litewire-carabiner?sku=1690340001=36_mmc=PLA_Google%7C2170001700551_1690340001%7C92700058208459697%7CBA%7C7170074727195=Cj0KCQiAnKeCBhDPARIsAFDTLTKVzkFWxH8j3Lo24MRs8cXvjJaoy0CIBguncqlpzcpTbVA3Gy-ssYMaAoL9EALw_wcB=aw.ds





On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 10:11 AM Peter McMinn via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis,
> Good to know the soft shackle works well--just built a few for the
> purpose. And good idea on the rubberized carabiner (Sirius topsides also
> painted).
>
> Peter McMinn
>
>  _/)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 10:01 AM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Richard,
>>
>> The coated carabiner I referenced states a rated load of 650 lbs.  The
>> one I used to use was in that range.  Touche's slips in both Mandeville and
>> Pensacola are well protected from wave action (except for the occasional
>> party barge/powerboat idiot).
>>
>> I'd think that was adequate if your spring line has some stretch (i.e.
>> three strand).
>>
>> I'm also thinking I can somehow slide some clear vinyl hose over my
>> existing spring hook/carabiner to give it a protective cover.  Otherwise,
>> I'll continue to use the soft shackle alone.
>> --
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:42 AM Richard Bush  wrote:
>>
>>> Dennis; I like the Carabiner approach, however, I wonder what the
>>> loading will do to these...do you experience much in the way of surges or
>>> wave action which loads them up?
>>> I understand that in a marina or a backwater slip where there might not
>>> be much loading action, but I am on a river where we get constant wave
>>> action from barges and big cruise types..and then there's the current which
>>> runs at 4-6 knots in the springtime;
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
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>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
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>
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Peter McMinn via CnC-List]

Dennis,
Good to know the soft shackle works well--just built a few for the purpose.
And good idea on the rubberized carabiner (Sirius topsides also painted).

Peter McMinn

 _/)



On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 10:01 AM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Richard,
>
> The coated carabiner I referenced states a rated load of 650 lbs.  The one
> I used to use was in that range.  Touche's slips in both Mandeville and
> Pensacola are well protected from wave action (except for the occasional
> party barge/powerboat idiot).
>
> I'd think that was adequate if your spring line has some stretch (i.e.
> three strand).
>
> I'm also thinking I can somehow slide some clear vinyl hose over my
> existing spring hook/carabiner to give it a protective cover.  Otherwise,
> I'll continue to use the soft shackle alone.
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:42 AM Richard Bush  wrote:
>
>> Dennis; I like the Carabiner approach, however, I wonder what the loading
>> will do to these...do you experience much in the way of surges or wave
>> action which loads them up?
>> I understand that in a marina or a backwater slip where there might not
>> be much loading action, but I am on a river where we get constant wave
>> action from barges and big cruise types..and then there's the current which
>> runs at 4-6 knots in the springtime;
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Richard,

The coated carabiner I referenced states a rated load of 650 lbs.  The one
I used to use was in that range.  Touche's slips in both Mandeville and
Pensacola are well protected from wave action (except for the occasional
party barge/powerboat idiot).

I'd think that was adequate if your spring line has some stretch (i.e.
three strand).

I'm also thinking I can somehow slide some clear vinyl hose over my
existing spring hook/carabiner to give it a protective cover.  Otherwise,
I'll continue to use the soft shackle alone.
-- 
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:42 AM Richard Bush  wrote:

> Dennis; I like the Carabiner approach, however, I wonder what the loading
> will do to these...do you experience much in the way of surges or wave
> action which loads them up?
> I understand that in a marina or a backwater slip where there might not be
> much loading action, but I am on a river where we get constant wave action
> from barges and big cruise types..and then there's the current which runs
> at 4-6 knots in the springtime;
> Thanks
>
>
> Richard
>
>
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Dennis; I like the Carabiner approach, however, I wonder what the loading will 
do to these...do you experience much in the way of surges or wave action which 
loads them up? 
I understand that in a marina or a backwater slip where there might not be much 
loading action, but I am on a river where we get constant wave action from 
barges and big cruise types..and then there's the current which runs at 4-6 
knots in the springtime; 
Thanks 
 

Richard
 s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Sent: Thu, Mar 11, 2021 11:05 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

OK, moving right along with this thread.  As I stated earlier, I use a soft 
shackle.  
I tried the soft shackle and a spring hook but the spring hook on the soft 
shackle hung down under the rub rail and scratched the topsides paint.
The soft shackle isn't as easy as snapping a spring hook.  So, a bit of 
internet searching found these:
https://www.amazon.com/Hook-Clips-Rubber-Stainless-Carabiner/dp/B07SBL1LKS

https://hookitclips.com/collections/hook-it-clips

I emailed them to see when red ones would be available.-- 
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LAThanks to all of the subscribers that 
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

OK, moving right along with this thread.  As I stated earlier, I use a soft
shackle.

I tried the soft shackle and a spring hook but the spring hook on the soft
shackle hung down under the rub rail and scratched the topsides paint.

The soft shackle isn't as easy as snapping a spring hook.  So, a bit of
internet searching found these:

https://www.amazon.com/Hook-Clips-Rubber-Stainless-Carabiner/dp/B07SBL1LKS

https://hookitclips.com/collections/hook-it-clips

I emailed them to see when red ones would be available.
-- 
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Or three.   Spread the load.

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 08:24, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ted,
>Could you provide info on parts you used?  What material did you use as
> base for track?  I assume replace two of the toe rail machine screws with
> proper length.  Love this idea.
> Bill Walker
> CnC 36
> Pentwater, Mi.
>
> On Thursday, March 11, 2021, 06:32:04 AM EST, Dave S via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> That’s a cool solution.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Ted Drossos via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Here's a link to how I added a midship cleat.
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/206427463229026/permalink/298001127404992
>
> Ted Drossos
> C 110
> Lady in Red
> Bay Shore, NY
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: petemcm...@gmail.com
> Sent: Wed, Mar 10, 2021 2:27 am
> Subject: Stus-List midship cleats on aluminum rail?
>
> A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a
> solution for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline
> placement. I’m currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which
> seems strong, but I’d like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail.
> Haven’t seen anything in the catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a
> soft shackle through a rail hole might be a good fix. Given the general
> opinion that midship cleating is handy, I’m curious what you use.
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks -
> Stu
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>
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

 Ted,   Could you provide info on parts you used?  What material did you use as 
base for track?  I assume replace two of the toe rail machine screws with 
proper length.  Love this idea.  Bill WalkerCnC 36Pentwater, Mi.
On Thursday, March 11, 2021, 06:32:04 AM EST, Dave S via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 That’s a cool solution.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 10, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Ted Drossos via CnC-List  
wrote:



Here's a link to how I added a midship 
cleat.https://www.facebook.com/groups/206427463229026/permalink/298001127404992
Ted DrossosC 110Lady in RedBay Shore, NY

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: petemcm...@gmail.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 10, 2021 2:27 am
Subject: Stus-List midship cleats on aluminum rail?

A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a solution 
for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline placement. I’m 
currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which seems strong, but I’d 
like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail. Haven’t seen anything in the 
catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a soft shackle through a rail hole 
might be a good fix. Given the general opinion that midship cleating is handy, 
I’m curious what you use.Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to 
the list to help with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to 
the list - use PayPal to send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  
Thanks - StuThanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to 
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Stu
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[Dave S via CnC-List]

That’s a cool solution.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Ted Drossos via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Here's a link to how I added a midship cleat.
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/206427463229026/permalink/298001127404992
> 
> Ted Drossos
> C 110
> Lady in Red
> Bay Shore, NY
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: petemcm...@gmail.com
> Sent: Wed, Mar 10, 2021 2:27 am
> Subject: Stus-List midship cleats on aluminum rail?
> 
> A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a 
> solution for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline placement. 
> I’m currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which seems strong, 
> but I’d like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail. Haven’t seen 
> anything in the catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a soft shackle 
> through a rail hole might be a good fix. Given the general opinion that 
> midship cleating is handy, I’m curious what you use.
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
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[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

The Johnson what I have.

On Wed., Mar. 10, 2021, 7:32 a.m. Kevin & Renee Hartig via CnC-List, <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> https://www.anchorexpress.com/c-sherman-johnson-toe-rail-folding-cleat-48-510?_vsrefdom=googleads=f08903d38ee91e1f6c72639b6b9219b6_source=bing_medium=cpc_campaign=**LP%20Shop%20-%20Johnson%20Pump_term=4575755084497855_content=71540%20%7C%20C.%20Sherman%20Johnson%20Toe%20Rail%20Folding%20Cleat%20-%2048-510%20%7C%20%2460.99
> Searched web and found c s johnson cleat for 63.00  at above address
>
> Kevin
> C& C 30 mkll
>
> On Wednesday, March 10, 2021, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> That is quite a handsome looking cleat.
>>
>> Bill Coleman
>>
>> Entrada, Erie, PA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Gary Newton via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2021 8:05 AM
>> *To:* Stus-List
>> *Cc:* Gary Newton
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=598
>>
>> This what I use attached behind the lower stays/shrouds on the Genoa track
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:27 AM, Peter McMinn via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a
>> solution for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline
>> placement. I’m currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which
>> seems strong, but I’d like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail.
>> Haven’t seen anything in the catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a
>> soft shackle through a rail hole might be a good fix. Given the general
>> opinion that midship cleating is handy, I’m curious what you use.
>>
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>>  Thanks - Stu
>>
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> Thanks - Stu
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Peter McMinn via CnC-List]

Not on FB.

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 10:41 AM Ted Drossos via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Here's a link to how I added a midship cleat.
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/206427463229026/permalink/298001127404992
>
> Ted Drossos
> C 110
> Lady in Red
> Bay Shore, NY
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: petemcm...@gmail.com
> Sent: Wed, Mar 10, 2021 2:27 am
> Subject: Stus-List midship cleats on aluminum rail?
>
> A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a
> solution for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline
> placement. I’m currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which
> seems strong, but I’d like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail.
> Haven’t seen anything in the catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a
> soft shackle through a rail hole might be a good fix. Given the general
> opinion that midship cleating is handy, I’m curious what you use.
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks -
> Stu
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

+1 on Gary’s solution.  Firewater came with these and I have used them for 
spring lines for years.

Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 “Firewater”
Milwaukee, WI

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From: Gary Newton via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:05:07 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Gary Newton 
Subject: Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=598
This what I use attached behind the lower stays/shrouds on the Genoa track

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:27 AM, Peter McMinn via CnC-List  
wrote:



A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a solution 
for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline placement. I’m 
currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which seems strong, but I’d 
like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail. Haven’t seen anything in the 
catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a soft shackle through a rail hole 
might be a good fix. Given the general opinion that midship cleating is handy, 
I’m curious what you use.

Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
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costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Ted Drossos via CnC-List]

Here's a link to how I added a midship 
cleat.https://www.facebook.com/groups/206427463229026/permalink/298001127404992
Ted DrossosC 110Lady in RedBay Shore, NY

-Original Message-
From: Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: petemcm...@gmail.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 10, 2021 2:27 am
Subject: Stus-List midship cleats on aluminum rail?

A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a solution 
for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline placement. I’m 
currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which seems strong, but I’d 
like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail. Haven’t seen anything in the 
catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a soft shackle through a rail hole 
might be a good fix. Given the general opinion that midship cleating is handy, 
I’m curious what you use.Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to 
the list to help with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to 
the list - use PayPal to send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  
Thanks - StuThanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Ron Casciato via CnC-List]

I have two of these on my 38MKII for over 12 years.  I use them for spring 
lines and a central docking line……….never an issue with the toe rail on a 38.  
Since the toe rail does have a rolled top, I simply made a couple of aluminum 
spacers from bar stock and slipped them below the rolled top and drilled for 
the bolt.  

 

They work great.

 

Ron C

Impromptu

C 38MKIIC ‘77

 

From: Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:32 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Tom Buscaglia 
Subject: Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

 

This maybe?

 

https://www.internationalmarineservice.com/C-Sherman-Johnson-Toe-Rail-Folding-Cleat-p/cs-48-510.htm

 

They used to make bales that bolted to the rail too. But I can’t seem to find 
then anywhere anymore.   I have 3 on each side.  2 for fenders and 1 between 
the rigging and the head stay that I use for my preventer.

Tom Buscaglia

S/V Alera 

1990 C 37+/40

Vashon WA

P 206.463.9200

C 305.409.3660

 





On Mar 9, 2021, at 11:28 PM, Peter McMinn via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:



A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a solution 
for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline placement. I’m 
currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which seems strong, but I’d 
like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail. Haven’t seen anything in the 
catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a soft shackle through a rail hole 
might be a good fix. Given the general opinion that midship cleating is handy, 
I’m curious what you use.

Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 
 I have the same set up as Gary Newton mentioned: 
https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=598
They're great but watch your toes if you are barefoot...!
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37: CB: Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: Gary Newton via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Gary Newton 
Sent: Wed, Mar 10, 2021 8:05 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=598This what I use attached behind the 
lower stays/shrouds on the Genoa track

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:27 AM, Peter McMinn via CnC-List  
wrote:



A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a 
solution for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline placement. 
I’m currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which seems strong, but 
I’d like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail. Haven’t seen anything in 
the catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a soft shackle through a rail 
hole might be a good fix. Given the general opinion that midship cleating is 
handy, I’m curious what you use.Thanks to all of the subscribers that 
contributed to the list to help with the costs involved.  If you want to show 
your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution --   
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - StuThanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Kevin & Renee Hartig via CnC-List]

https://www.anchorexpress.com/c-sherman-johnson-toe-rail-folding-cleat-48-510?_vsrefdom=googleads=f08903d38ee91e1f6c72639b6b9219b6_source=bing_medium=cpc_campaign=**LP%20Shop%20-%20Johnson%20Pump_term=4575755084497855_content=71540%20%7C%20C.%20Sherman%20Johnson%20Toe%20Rail%20Folding%20Cleat%20-%2048-510%20%7C%20%2460.99
Searched web and found c s johnson cleat for 63.00  at above address

Kevin
C& C 30 mkll

On Wednesday, March 10, 2021, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> That is quite a handsome looking cleat.
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Gary Newton via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2021 8:05 AM
> *To:* Stus-List
> *Cc:* Gary Newton
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?
>
>
>
> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=598
>
> This what I use attached behind the lower stays/shrouds on the Genoa track
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:27 AM, Peter McMinn via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a
> solution for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline
> placement. I’m currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which
> seems strong, but I’d like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail.
> Haven’t seen anything in the catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a
> soft shackle through a rail hole might be a good fix. Given the general
> opinion that midship cleating is handy, I’m curious what you use.
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
>
>
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

That is quite a handsome looking cleat.

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Gary Newton via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 8:05 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Gary Newton
Subject: Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

 

https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=598

This what I use attached behind the lower stays/shrouds on the Genoa track

Sent from my iPad





On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:27 AM, Peter McMinn via CnC-List  
wrote:



A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a solution 
for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline placement. I’m 
currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which seems strong, but I’d 
like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail. Haven’t seen anything in the 
catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a soft shackle through a rail hole 
might be a good fix. Given the general opinion that midship cleating is handy, 
I’m curious what you use.

Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Soft shackle.
https://youtu.be/DSAMR27tnFI

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 07:54 Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I really like the idea of a soft shackle.  Easy and cheap to install,  and
> if you still really want something more permanent, you can always add it.
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
> (847) 404-5092
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 AM Peter McMinn via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a
>> solution for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline
>> placement. I’m currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which
>> seems strong, but I’d like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail.
>> Haven’t seen anything in the catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a
>> soft shackle through a rail hole might be a good fix. Given the general
>> opinion that midship cleating is handy, I’m curious what you use.
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks - Stu
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Matthew via CnC-List]

I use the Johnson cleat for the same purpose.  It is slightly undersized for my 
toe rail (I had to tap them in place with a hammer), but I have not had any 
other issues.

 

Matt Wolford

C 42 Custom

 

From: dwight veinot via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:59 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

 

Toe rail cleat. Search Binnacle.ca

 

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 3:27 AM Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a solution 
for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline placement. I’m 
currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which seems strong, but I’d 
like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail. Haven’t seen anything in the 
catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a soft shackle through a rail hole 
might be a good fix. Given the general opinion that midship cleating is handy, 
I’m curious what you use.

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costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
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-- 

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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

We have had the Johnson toe rail cleats on our 33-ll, work for 10+ years worked 
great for us.  My sister has them on her 30 as well. Like that they fold when 
not needed. And lines are clear of the deck  no tripping hazard going 
forward, especially with he grandkids on board, they don’t always look where 
they are going!

Paul

From: Dave S via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:02:48 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: petemcm...@gmail.com ; Dave S 
Subject: Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

Similar quest here - The Johnson toerail cleat seems to be the go-to and is 
reported to work well in several past conversations on this list.

https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=80333

Have been intending to try but have hesitated simply because of cosmetics, esp 
for the price here in Canada.   Perhaps it looks more in person.  Perhaps I 
should just get it done.  (Lol).  Have also been contemplating fabricating 
something.

Related - Wichard has a toerail padeye - quite elegant but spendy.

https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=125394


Dave - 33-2

http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/?m=1




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On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:27 AM, Peter McMinn via CnC-List  
wrote:



A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a solution 
for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline placement. I’m 
currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which seems strong, but I’d 
like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail. Haven’t seen anything in the 
catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a soft shackle through a rail hole 
might be a good fix. Given the general opinion that midship cleating is handy, 
I’m curious what you use.

Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I've been using a soft shackle for a few years now.  Haven't seen any
deterioration due to abrasion from the rail.

I used a spring hook for many years but it rubbed the black off the toe
rail.

I tried hooking the spring hook into the soft shackle but it hung down
below the rub rail and rubbed on the topsides paint.

  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 1:27 AM Peter McMinn via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a
> solution for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline
> placement. I’m currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which
> seems strong, but I’d like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail.
> Haven’t seen anything in the catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a
> soft shackle through a rail hole might be a good fix. Given the general
> opinion that midship cleating is handy, I’m curious what you use.
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

You don’t even need a soft shackle.  I made a number of dyneema loops and loop 
them through themselves to create loop attachment points at the toenail.  I use 
them for both docking attachment with a carabiner or genoa twing lines with a 
snatch block.  For docking, I added a carabiner to the center of a long line 
and attach that to dyneema loop for front and rear springs.  The loops were 
really easy to make even for a novice splicer like me, but cheap to buy as well 
(https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=1254184).  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Mar 10, 2021, at 8:06 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I always thing the holes in the toe rail are sharp enough to saw through a 
> line eventually. I would run my finger around the edges before using a soft 
> shackle.
> Joe
> Coquina
>  
> From: Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List  <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:54 AM
> To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: Bruce Whitmore  <mailto:bruce.whitmo...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?
>  
> I really like the idea of a soft shackle.  Easy and cheap to install,  and if 
> you still really want something more permanent, you can always add it.
> 
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
> (847) 404-5092
>  
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
> <https://www.paypal.me/stumurray>  Thanks - Stu

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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Stephen Kidd via CnC-List]

We've been using soft shackles on the toe rail for fenders and a mid-ship
cleat for about three years now. I was curious how they would wear, and
have kept a close eye on them. There has been very minor fraying over time,
even with no chafe protection. They have faded a bit, but otherwise they
are doing well. Of course, this is a 25, so loads are probably pretty
small, but the same toe rail as many of the larger C

Best,
Stephen
C 25 mkII
Washington, DC



On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 8:06 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I always thing the holes in the toe rail are sharp enough to saw through a
> line eventually. I would run my finger around the edges before using a soft
> shackle.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:54 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Bruce Whitmore 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?
>
>
>
> I really like the idea of a soft shackle.  Easy and cheap to install,  and
> if you still really want something more permanent, you can always add it.
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
> (847) 404-5092
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I always thing the holes in the toe rail are sharp enough to saw through a line 
eventually. I would run my finger around the edges before using a soft shackle.
Joe
Coquina

From: Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:54 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bruce Whitmore 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

I really like the idea of a soft shackle.  Easy and cheap to install,  and if 
you still really want something more permanent, you can always add it.
Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+
"Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092

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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Gary Newton via CnC-List]

https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=598
This what I use attached behind the lower stays/shrouds on the Genoa track

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:27 AM, Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a 
> solution for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline placement. 
> I’m currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which seems strong, 
> but I’d like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail. Haven’t seen 
> anything in the catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a soft shackle 
> through a rail hole might be a good fix. Given the general opinion that 
> midship cleating is handy, I’m curious what you use.
> 
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
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costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

We have the Wichard ones (three on each side) fitted for snatch and spinnaker 
blocks and the one fitted amidships works very well for the spinnaker guy 
blocks and also for securing dock lines when back alongside.

 

Safe Sailing,

 

Rod Stright



President

C 99 Class Association

Halifax

Nova Scotia

 

 

 

From: Dave S via CnC-List  
Sent: March-10-21 8:03 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: petemcm...@gmail.com; Dave S 
Subject: Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

 

Similar quest here - The Johnson toerail cleat seems to be the go-to and is 
reported to work well in several past conversations on this list.  

 

https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=80333

 

Have been intending to try but have hesitated simply because of cosmetics, esp 
for the price here in Canada.   Perhaps it looks more in person.  Perhaps I 
should just get it done.  (Lol).  Have also been contemplating fabricating 
something.

 

Related - Wichard has a toerail padeye - quite elegant but spendy.  

 

https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=125394

 

 

Dave - 33-2

 

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On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:27 AM, Peter McMinn via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:



A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a solution 
for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline placement. I’m 
currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which seems strong, but I’d 
like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail. Haven’t seen anything in the 
catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a soft shackle through a rail hole 
might be a good fix. Given the general opinion that midship cleating is handy, 
I’m curious what you use.

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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

I really like the idea of a soft shackle.  Easy and cheap to install,  and
if you still really want something more permanent, you can always add it.

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+
"Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 AM Peter McMinn via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a
> solution for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline
> placement. I’m currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which
> seems strong, but I’d like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail.
> Haven’t seen anything in the catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a
> soft shackle through a rail hole might be a good fix. Given the general
> opinion that midship cleating is handy, I’m curious what you use.
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Similar quest here - The Johnson toerail cleat seems to be the go-to and is 
reported to work well in several past conversations on this list.  

https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=80333

Have been intending to try but have hesitated simply because of cosmetics, esp 
for the price here in Canada.   Perhaps it looks more in person.  Perhaps I 
should just get it done.  (Lol).  Have also been contemplating fabricating 
something.

Related - Wichard has a toerail padeye - quite elegant but spendy.  

https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=125394


Dave - 33-2

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> On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:27 AM, Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a 
> solution for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline placement. 
> I’m currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which seems strong, 
> but I’d like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail. Haven’t seen 
> anything in the catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a soft shackle 
> through a rail hole might be a good fix. Given the general opinion that 
> midship cleating is handy, I’m curious what you use.
> 
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Toe rail cleat. Search Binnacle.ca

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 3:27 AM Peter McMinn via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a
> solution for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline
> placement. I’m currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which
> seems strong, but I’d like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail.
> Haven’t seen anything in the catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a
> soft shackle through a rail hole might be a good fix. Given the general
> opinion that midship cleating is handy, I’m curious what you use.
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu

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Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

This maybe?

https://www.internationalmarineservice.com/C-Sherman-Johnson-Toe-Rail-Folding-Cleat-p/cs-48-510.htm

They used to make bales that bolted to the rail too. But I can’t seem to find 
then anywhere anymore.   I have 3 on each side.  2 for fenders and 1 between 
the rigging and the head stay that I use for my preventer.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On Mar 9, 2021, at 11:28 PM, Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a 
> solution for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline placement. 
> I’m currently securing a line around a stanchion mount, which seems strong, 
> but I’d like to find a cleat that mounts to the toe rail. Haven’t seen 
> anything in the catalogs. I’m thinking a carabiner or even a soft shackle 
> through a rail hole might be a good fix. Given the general opinion that 
> midship cleating is handy, I’m curious what you use.
> 
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu