Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation

[Michael Brown]

    I spoke to Peggie Hall last night and she asked; "Do you have anything 
against black hoses?"  I said, "Not really."  She said "oh good! use the 
trident 101 hoses.  I don't know of a single case where they have ever had a 
permeation issue." 

I see a few choices at West Marine, Shields or Sealand brands instead of 
Trident.

1) Shields Series 101 No-Odor Super Head Hose

1 1/2" is $11.92 a foot
Warranty: One year

2) Shields Poly X Sanitation Hose

1 1/2" is $21.62 a foot
Warranty: Lifetime warranty against odor permeation

3) Sealand OdorSafe Plus Sanitation Hose

1 1/2" is $12.49 a foot
Warranty: Five-year limited warranty


For the five or six feet of hose I need ( C&C 30-1 ) the cost differential 
between the hoses is not a big issue. If the
Shields Series 101 is a recommended hose and will last another 10 years that 
would be my first choice.

I have a white hose installed, maybe 10 years old now and a small amount of 
odor is present after a few days away.


Mike Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1


PS: We did a real man overboard recovery a couple of years ago returning from a 
race. The boat ahead of us lost a
crew member relieving himself. We did the stuff by the book, spotter - 
lifesling ready - depowered quick stop method
- put out the ladder. In fact it was a bit too quick. The MOB took a moment at 
the ladder, we asked if everything was
OK? He said he was putting the little admiral away. Explained how difficult it 
was trying to swim and operate a zipper
"safely" with one hand.




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Re: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Peggie mentioned that lifetime waranty hose and said she would go with the 
track record over the new product.  Meaning the Trident has been tried and true 
for many years.  It is $9.92/ft. at Go2Marine.com for the black stuff.  They 
don't appear to have the white version.

-- Original Message --
From: Michael Brown 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:48:16 -0400



   I spoke to Peggie Hall last night and she asked; "Do you have anything 
against black hoses?"  I said, "Not really."  She said "oh good! use the 
trident 101 hoses.  I don't know of a single case where they have ever had a 
permeation issue." 
I see a few choices at West Marine, Shields or Sealand brands instead of 
Trident.

1) Shields Series 101 No-Odor Super Head Hose

1 1/2" is $11.92 a foot
Warranty: One year

2) Shields Poly X Sanitation Hose

1 1/2" is $21.62 a foot
Warranty: Lifetime warranty against odor permeation

3) Sealand OdorSafe Plus Sanitation Hose

1 1/2" is $12.49 a foot
Warranty: Five-year limited warranty


For the five or six feet of hose I need ( C&C 30-1 ) the cost differential 
between the hoses is not a big issue. If the
Shields Series 101 is a recommended hose and will last another 10 years that 
would be my first choice.

I have a white hose installed, maybe 10 years old now and a small amount of 
odor is present after a few days away.


Mike Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1


PS: We did a real man overboard recovery a couple of years ago returning from a 
race. The boat ahead of us lost a
crew member relieving himself. We did the stuff by the book, spotter - 
lifesling ready - depowered quick stop method
- put out the ladder. In fact it was a bit too quick. The MOB took a moment at 
the ladder, we asked if everything was
OK? He said he was putting the little admiral away. Explained how difficult it 
was trying to swim and operate a zipper
"safely" with one hand.





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Re: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation

[Petar Horvatic]

I went through several different revisions of sanitation hose in an attempt to 
get rid of the smell.   In my experience, no matter what I did, marine grade 
sanitation hose will permeate, in a sense that head will always smell like the 
head.   I’ve been getting more and more advice from people in the industry and 
liveaboards to go with Home Depot PVC plumbing.  Make sure there are no 90deg 
bends, and use flexible hose in small sections where PVC attaches to rigid 
elements (Toilet, through-hull, tank or macerator pump).  PVC does not permeate 
any odor.  

I have not done this yet, but I plan on doing it this offseason.  I live on the 
boat, May through October and sleeping in the v-birth above stinky hose is not 
fun.  This off season getting rid of the smell for good, is high on the 
priority list.  

 

Petar Horvatic

Sundowner

76 C&C 38MkII

Newport, RI

 

 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael Brown
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 1:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation

 

 

   I spoke to Peggie Hall last night and she asked; "Do you have anything 
against black hoses?"  I said, "Not really."  She said "oh good! use the 
trident 101 hoses.  I don't know of a single case where they have ever had a 
permeation issue." 


I see a few choices at West Marine, Shields or Sealand brands instead of 
Trident.

1) Shields Series 101 No-Odor Super Head Hose

1 1/2" is $11.92 a foot
Warranty: One year

2) Shields Poly X Sanitation Hose

1 1/2" is $21.62 a foot
Warranty: Lifetime warranty against odor permeation

3) Sealand OdorSafe Plus Sanitation Hose

1 1/2" is $12.49 a foot
Warranty: Five-year limited warranty


For the five or six feet of hose I need ( C&C 30-1 ) the cost differential 
between the hoses is not a big issue. If the
Shields Series 101 is a recommended hose and will last another 10 years that 
would be my first choice.

I have a white hose installed, maybe 10 years old now and a small amount of 
odor is present after a few days away.


Mike Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1


PS: We did a real man overboard recovery a couple of years ago returning from a 
race. The boat ahead of us lost a
crew member relieving himself. We did the stuff by the book, spotter - 
lifesling ready - depowered quick stop method
- put out the ladder. In fact it was a bit too quick. The MOB took a moment at 
the ladder, we asked if everything was
OK? He said he was putting the little admiral away. Explained how difficult it 
was trying to swim and operate a zipper
"safely" with one hand.





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Re: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation

[Ken Heaton]

Shields and Trident are different companies with products.  However, Bill
Shields is president of Trident Marine (Trident Rubber Inc.).

"Trident Rubber Inc. was founded by Bill Shields in 1985 in the Pittsburgh,
PA area. This followed a hostile takeover of Shields Rubber Corporation, a
third generation family business in which we owned the largest, but not
controlling interest. Shields Rubber was a large industrial rubber and hose
distributor with seven locations (two of which also specialized in marine
hose). Five years after the take over, Shields Rubber was sold, and its
marine hose division was spun off to Sierra Supply, then to Morse Controls,
and then to Teleflex. They remain a competitor with no family connection."

http://www.tridentmarine.com/stage/about.htm

Ken H.


On 25 October 2013 15:20, Petar Horvatic  wrote:

> I went through several different revisions of sanitation hose in an
> attempt to get rid of the smell.   In my experience, no matter what I did,
> marine grade sanitation hose will permeate, in a sense that head will
> always smell like the head.   I’ve been getting more and more advice from
> people in the industry and liveaboards to go with Home Depot PVC plumbing.
> Make sure there are no 90deg bends, and use flexible hose in small sections
> where PVC attaches to rigid elements (Toilet, through-hull, tank or
> macerator pump).  PVC does not permeate any odor.  
>
> I have not done this yet, but I plan on doing it this offseason.  I live
> on the boat, May through October and sleeping in the v-birth above stinky
> hose is not fun.  This off season getting rid of the smell for good, is
> high on the priority list.  
>
> ** **
>
> Petar Horvatic
>
> Sundowner
>
> 76 C&C 38MkII
>
> Newport, RI
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael
> Brown
> *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2013 1:48 PM
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>I spoke to Peggie Hall last night and she asked; "Do you have anything
> against black hoses?"  I said, "Not really."  She said "oh good! use the
> trident 101 hoses.  I don't know of a single case where they have ever had
> a permeation issue." 
>
>
> I see a few choices at West Marine, Shields or Sealand brands instead of
> Trident.
>
> 1) Shields Series 101 No-Odor Super Head Hose
>
> 1 1/2" is $11.92 a foot
> Warranty: One year
>
> 2) Shields Poly X Sanitation Hose
>
> 1 1/2" is $21.62 a foot
> Warranty: Lifetime warranty against odor permeation
>
> 3) Sealand OdorSafe Plus Sanitation Hose
>
> 1 1/2" is $12.49 a foot
> Warranty: Five-year limited warranty
>
>
> For the five or six feet of hose I need ( C&C 30-1 ) the cost differential
> between the hoses is not a big issue. If the
> Shields Series 101 is a recommended hose and will last another 10 years
> that would be my first choice.
>
> I have a white hose installed, maybe 10 years old now and a small amount
> of odor is present after a few days away.
>
>
> Mike Brown
> Windburn
> C&C 30-1
>
>
> PS: We did a real man overboard recovery a couple of years ago returning
> from a race. The boat ahead of us lost a
> crew member relieving himself. We did the stuff by the book, spotter -
> lifesling ready - depowered quick stop method
> - put out the ladder. In fact it was a bit too quick. The MOB took a
> moment at the ladder, we asked if everything was
> OK? He said he was putting the little admiral away. Explained how
> difficult it was trying to swim and operate a zipper
> "safely" with one hand.
>
>
>
> 
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Re: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation

[Wally Bryant]

you wrote:

Peggie mentioned that lifetime waranty hose and said she would go with the 
track record over the new product.  Meaning the Trident has been tried and true 
for many years.


If you talk with Peggie again, ask how it compare to Sealand Odorsafe 
hose.  Just wondering.  Pose the question in a subservient manner, 
because she loves to be pandered to, and gets belligerent if her 
judgement is questioned.


Sealand changed suppliers for that product some years ago, but I managed 
to get some original stuff, and it has been totally odor free for 10 
years.  (Some people might say I'm full of s___ and they might be right 
but the hose seems to be bearing up under the strain.)  The original 
supplier is from Australia, and it might still be available under a 
different brand.


Now, regarding Trident hose, I can say that it is much better than 
Shields hose for all applications under the waterline.  The walls are 
significantly thicker.  You get what you pay for.


Wal

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Re: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation

[Michael Brown]

 
Peggie mentioned that lifetime waranty hose and said she would go with the 
track record over the new product.  Meaning the Trident has been tried and true 
for many years.  It is $9.92/ft. at Go2Marine.com for the black stuff.  They 
don't appear to have the white version. 
 
 
I went through several different revisions of sanitation hose in an attempt to 
get rid of the smell.   In my experience, no matter what I did, marine grade 
sanitation hose will permeate, in a sense that head will always smell like the 
head.   I?ve been getting more and more advice from people in the industry and 
liveaboards to go with Home Depot PVC plumbing.  Make sure there are no 90deg 
bends, and use flexible hose in small sections where PVC attaches to rigid 
elements (Toilet, through-hull, tank or macerator pump).  PVC does not permeate 
any odor.   
 
I have not done this yet, but I plan on doing it this offseason.  I live on the 
boat, May through October and sleeping in the v-birth above stinky hose is not 
fun.  This off season getting rid of the smell for good, is high on the 
priority list.   
 
 
Shields and Trident are different companies with products.  However, Bill 
Shields is president of Trident Marine (Trident Rubber Inc.). 
 
"Trident Rubber Inc. was founded by Bill Shields in 1985 in the Pittsburgh, 
PA area. This followed a hostile takeover of Shields Rubber Corporation, a 
third generation family business in which we owned the largest, but not 
controlling interest. Shields Rubber was a large industrial rubber and hose 
distributor with seven locations (two of which also specialized in marine 
hose). Five years after the take over, Shields Rubber was sold, and its 
marine hose division was spun off to Sierra Supply, then to Morse Controls, 
and then to Teleflex. They remain a competitor with no family connection." 
 
http://www.tridentmarine.com/stage/about.htm 

Great information. I wondered if Trident and Shields had something in common, 
product numbering looked similar.

Windburn was hauled on Saturday, so had a chance to contemplate using some PVC. 
Looks like too many angles
and the only straight section has little access to get a piece in. I take it 
the "no 90deg bends" means no use of
a 90deg elbow. Does two 45 deg elbows and a short section between them work?

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1

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Re: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation

[Wally Bryant]

I think it means the hose.  I've been using PVC elbow in my system 
without a problem for 10 years.  You can get some ideas on my 'new tank 
and hoses' page:



Wal

On 10/28/2013 2:46 PM, Michael Brown wrote:

I take it the "no 90deg bends" means no use of
a 90deg elbow. Does two 45 deg elbows and a short section between them work?



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Re: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation

[djhaug...@juno.com]

"I take it the "no 90deg bends" means no use ofa 90deg elbow. Does two 45 deg 
elbows and a short section between them work?" To play it safe you could always 
use the 2-45s and put a short piece of flexible pipe in between.  However you 
might be better off just making the whole turn with flexible tubing.  PVC can 
get more and more brittle over time and becomes very brittle in cold weather.  
I think you have to deal with 90 degree turns as though they are a more fixed 
connection.
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