Re: Stus-List Star PHRF

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Edd, that's the policy of YRALIS. Most other places seem to have spinn and 
non-spinn ratings.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

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> On Aug 26, 2015, at 14:21, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
> wrote:
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> The problem with the STAR is that it has a PHRF rating based on it’s 
> full-sailing capability which works against other boats racing with spinnaker 
> (their full-sailing capability), even though it does not have a spinnaker. 
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> There is no good way to rate a STAR when competing against non-spinnaker 
> boats. 
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> For example, the Enterprise rates 96 in a spinnaker division and rates 96 in 
> a non-spinnaker division. That does not mean I can be competitive not raising 
> my chute in a spinnaker division. The rating assumes everyone is on equal 
> ground. 
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> All the best,
> 
> Edd
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> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
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>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Here in Erie it is 153 for our JAM fleet.
>> I am half owner of #6868 with my Trawler buddy, who races it.  It is the 
>> second Star for both of us.
>> Last year when he first started in the C fleet, he was killing them, and I 
>> heard comments from the race committee (who didn’t know what a Star was) 
>> like, “what is that surfboard with the huge sail?! Of course, the guy is a 
>> great sailor, and has about 10 years sailmaking experience in his early 
>> years, so he is no shrinking violet.
>>  
>> But you are right, it does get punished when the wind pipes up! So, 
>> theoretically it might be a correct rating, but when you are mostly dealing 
>> with light summer evening winds . . . 
>>  
>> Bill Coleman
>> C&C 39 (&1/2 Star)  Erie PA 
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
>> Nylander via CnC-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 12:35 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Gary Nylander
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!
>>  
>>  
>> What do your folks rate a Star? We only have one Wednesday night race where 
>> the fleets are combined, so usually they race one design - windward/leeward 
>> - which is what they like. But on that single race, our guys rate them at 
>> 162, which seems to be somewhat correct. And, we race in light wind and flat 
>> water, which favors them. The rest of the combined fleet ranges from a J-105 
>> at 87 to a Cal 2-27 at 213.
>>  
>> Gary
>> St. Michaels MD
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Re: Stus-List Star PHRF

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

The problem with the STAR is that it has a PHRF rating based on it’s 
full-sailing capability which works against other boats racing with spinnaker 
(their full-sailing capability), even though it does not have a spinnaker. 

There is no good way to rate a STAR when competing against non-spinnaker boats. 

For example, the Enterprise rates 96 in a spinnaker division and rates 96 in a 
non-spinnaker division. That does not mean I can be competitive not raising my 
chute in a spinnaker division. The rating assumes everyone is on equal ground. 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 













> On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here in Erie it is 153 for our JAM fleet.
> I am half owner of #6868 with my Trawler buddy, who races it.  It is the 
> second Star for both of us.
> Last year when he first started in the C fleet, he was killing them, and I 
> heard comments from the race committee (who didn’t know what a Star was) 
> like, “what is that surfboard with the huge sail?! Of course, the guy is a 
> great sailor, and has about 10 years sailmaking experience in his early 
> years, so he is no shrinking violet.
>  
> But you are right, it does get punished when the wind pipes up! So, 
> theoretically it might be a correct rating, but when you are mostly dealing 
> with light summer evening winds . . . 
>  
> Bill Coleman
> C&C 39 (&1/2 Star)  Erie PA 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 12:35 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Gary Nylander
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!
>  
>  
> What do your folks rate a Star? We only have one Wednesday night race where 
> the fleets are combined, so usually they race one design - windward/leeward - 
> which is what they like. But on that single race, our guys rate them at 162, 
> which seems to be somewhat correct. And, we race in light wind and flat 
> water, which favors them. The rest of the combined fleet ranges from a J-105 
> at 87 to a Cal 2-27 at 213.
>  
> Gary
> St. Michaels MD
>>  
>> 

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Stus-List Star PHRF

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Here in Erie it is 153 for our JAM fleet.

I am half owner of #6868 with my Trawler buddy, who races it.  It is the
second Star for both of us.

Last year when he first started in the C fleet, he was killing them, and I
heard comments from the race committee (who didn’t know what a Star was)
like, “what is that surfboard with the huge sail?! Of course, the guy is a
great sailor, and has about 10 years sailmaking experience in his early
years, so he is no shrinking violet.

 

But you are right, it does get punished when the wind pipes up! So,
theoretically it might be a correct rating, but when you are mostly dealing
with light summer evening winds . . . 

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 (&1/2 Star)  Erie PA 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 12:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Gary Nylander
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

 

 

What do your folks rate a Star? We only have one Wednesday night race where
the fleets are combined, so usually they race one design - windward/leeward
- which is what they like. But on that single race, our guys rate them at
162, which seems to be somewhat correct. And, we race in light wind and flat
water, which favors them. The rest of the combined fleet ranges from a J-105
at 87 to a Cal 2-27 at 213.

 

Gary

St. Michaels MD

 

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