Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

2015-10-27 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List
I like to use a shop-vac on the "blow" setting.  I can blow into my heater
drain and out my faucets.  Works great.

Josh
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> Josh,
> Presured air works wonders. Any RV place will have an adapter. Amazon has
> them, too.
>
> Marek
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>  Original message 
> From: John Russo via CnC-List 
> Date: 2015-10-27 22:21 (GMT-05:00)
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank
>
> Josh,
>
>
>
> Your  comments gives me an idea to flush the tank if necessary using an
> adaptor to a garden hose at the hot water output which I generally
> disconnect and tie to the input line for winterizing.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
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>
>
>
> I forgot to mention that one of the leading causes of water heater
> failures (home, marine, and mobile) is sediment collecting and creating hot
> spots on the elements.  The 3-way valve I suggested also ensures that a
> flush path is available for that sediment.  Many designs have the drain
> "T"ed off of the cold water inlet port so flushing really doesn't pass
> water through the heater at all.
>
> Josh
>
> On Oct 27, 2015 6:36 PM, "John Russo via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the advice re Vodka and Hot Water tank. I have decided to
> simply drain the tank and leave all valves open for expansion and not do
> Vodka.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *John
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> *Subject:* Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank
>
>
>
> Any downside to putting some vodka in the hot water tank after draining as
> an alternative to antifreeze which forever smells when using hot water. The
> drain in not quite positioned at the bottom of the tank so there is always
> some residual water left in the tank and although I leave the drain valve
> open for expansion I am concerned that any freezing could damage the tank
> connections. Any advice would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> John
>
> Arpeggio C&C 32
>
> Norwalk, CT
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Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

2015-10-27 Thread Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List


Josh, Presured air works wonders. Any RV place will have an adapter. Amazon has 
them, too.
Marek


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 Original message 
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Date: 2015-10-27  22:21  (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

Josh,



Your  comments gives me an idea to flush the tank if necessary using an adaptor 
to a garden hose at the hot water output which I generally disconnect and tie 
to the input line for winterizing.



Thanks

John



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Subject: Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank



I forgot to mention that one of the leading causes of water heater failures 
(home, marine, and mobile) is sediment collecting and creating hot spots on the 
elements.  The 3-way valve I suggested also ensures that a flush path is 
available for that sediment.  Many designs have the drain "T"ed off of the cold 
water inlet port so flushing really doesn't pass water through the heater at 
all.

Josh

On Oct 27, 2015 6:36 PM, "John Russo via CnC-List"  
wrote:

Thanks for all the advice re Vodka and Hot Water tank. I have decided to simply 
drain the tank and leave all valves open for expansion and not do Vodka.



John



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Subject: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank



Any downside to putting some vodka in the hot water tank after draining as an 
alternative to antifreeze which forever smells when using hot water. The drain 
in not quite positioned at the bottom of the tank so there is always some 
residual water left in the tank and although I leave the drain valve open for 
expansion I am concerned that any freezing could damage the tank connections. 
Any advice would be appreciated.



John

Arpeggio C&C 32

Norwalk, CT


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Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

2015-10-27 Thread John Russo via CnC-List
Josh,

 

Your  comments gives me an idea to flush the tank if necessary using an adaptor 
to a garden hose at the hot water output which I generally disconnect and tie 
to the input line for winterizing.

 

Thanks

John 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 8:37 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

 

I forgot to mention that one of the leading causes of water heater failures 
(home, marine, and mobile) is sediment collecting and creating hot spots on the 
elements.  The 3-way valve I suggested also ensures that a flush path is 
available for that sediment.  Many designs have the drain "T"ed off of the cold 
water inlet port so flushing really doesn't pass water through the heater at 
all.

Josh 

On Oct 27, 2015 6:36 PM, "John Russo via CnC-List"  
wrote:

Thanks for all the advice re Vodka and Hot Water tank. I have decided to simply 
drain the tank and leave all valves open for expansion and not do Vodka. 

 

John

 

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Subject: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

 

Any downside to putting some vodka in the hot water tank after draining as an 
alternative to antifreeze which forever smells when using hot water. The drain 
in not quite positioned at the bottom of the tank so there is always some 
residual water left in the tank and although I leave the drain valve open for 
expansion I am concerned that any freezing could damage the tank connections. 
Any advice would be appreciated.

 

John

Arpeggio C&C 32

Norwalk, CT


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Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

2015-10-27 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List
I forgot to mention that one of the leading causes of water heater failures
(home, marine, and mobile) is sediment collecting and creating hot spots on
the elements.  The 3-way valve I suggested also ensures that a flush path
is available for that sediment.  Many designs have the drain "T"ed off of
the cold water inlet port so flushing really doesn't pass water through the
heater at all.

Josh
On Oct 27, 2015 6:36 PM, "John Russo via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Thanks for all the advice re Vodka and Hot Water tank. I have decided to
> simply drain the tank and leave all valves open for expansion and not do
> Vodka.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
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> *Subject:* Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank
>
>
>
> Any downside to putting some vodka in the hot water tank after draining as
> an alternative to antifreeze which forever smells when using hot water. The
> drain in not quite positioned at the bottom of the tank so there is always
> some residual water left in the tank and although I leave the drain valve
> open for expansion I am concerned that any freezing could damage the tank
> connections. Any advice would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> John
>
> Arpeggio C&C 32
>
> Norwalk, CT
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Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

2015-10-27 Thread John Russo via CnC-List
Thanks for all the advice re Vodka and Hot Water tank. I have decided to
simply drain the tank and leave all valves open for expansion and not do
Vodka. 

 

John

 

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Subject: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

 

Any downside to putting some vodka in the hot water tank after draining as
an alternative to antifreeze which forever smells when using hot water. The
drain in not quite positioned at the bottom of the tank so there is always
some residual water left in the tank and although I leave the drain valve
open for expansion I am concerned that any freezing could damage the tank
connections. Any advice would be appreciated.

 

John

Arpeggio C&C 32

Norwalk, CT

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Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

2015-10-27 Thread Gary Nylander via CnC-List
DON'T use gin. It took about three years to get the smell out of the water 
system when I did that. When I went to the store, cheap Vodka was not cheap, so 
I got some cheap(er) gin. Big mistake. It did not freeze, but

Gary
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  Yes you won't be able to make martini's








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  Subject: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank 


  Any downside to putting some vodka in the hot water tank after draining as an 
alternative to antifreeze which forever smells when using hot water. The drain 
in not quite positioned at the bottom of the tank so there is always some 
residual water left in the tank and although I leave the drain valve open for 
expansion I am concerned that any freezing could damage the tank connections. 
Any advice would be appreciated.



  John

  Arpeggio C&C 32

  Norwalk, CT



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Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

2015-10-27 Thread Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List
are you sure you would want to drink any liquid coming out of the hot water 
tank after 6 months? Maybe give it to the helpers and claim that you have to 
keep your head clear to supervise (;-).

Marek

From: Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank


Hi Steve,

The booze is not wasted. 
Years ago on this list there was such a thread about using vodka as the 
anti-freeze and the guy's observation that he got lots of help with spring 
commissioning. Just add orange juice & friends.

Cheers, Russ


At 08:37 PM 26/10/2015, you wrote:

  
  I don't know why you would have rubber parts in a hot water tank, and barring 
that I don't see how pure alcohol would hurt, but I agree with the other 
comments that suggest that it is probably a waste of good booze. 
   
  Steve Thomas
  Port Stanley, ON

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Cc: John Russo 

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    Subject: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank


Any downside to putting some vodka in the hot water tank after draining as 
an alternative to antifreeze which forever smells when using hot water. The 
drain in not quite positioned at the bottom of the tank so there is always some 
residual water left in the tank and although I leave the drain valve open for 
expansion I am concerned that any freezing could damage the tank connections. 
Any advice would be appreciated.




  
John


Arpeggio C&C 32


Norwalk, CT




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Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

2015-10-27 Thread Ron Ricci via CnC-List
John,

 

This sounds like a great idea.  The freeze point of 80 proof vodka is -16
degrees F.  It would be a sin to waste the vodka next spring.  Here are some
vodka based nautical drink ideas:
http://www.partyswizzle.com/NauticalDrinkIdeas.html

Regards,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C&C 37+

Bristol, RI

 <mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

 

 

From: John Russo [mailto:johnrussob...@optonline.net] 
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Subject: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

 

Any downside to putting some vodka in the hot water tank after draining as
an alternative to antifreeze which forever smells when using hot water. The
drain in not quite positioned at the bottom of the tank so there is always
some residual water left in the tank and although I leave the drain valve
open for expansion I am concerned that any freezing could damage the tank
connections. Any advice would be appreciated.

 

John

Arpeggio C&C 32

Norwalk, CT

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Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

2015-10-27 Thread jhnelson via CnC-List


Yes you won't be able to make martini's



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Subject: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank 

Any downside to putting some vodka in the hot water tank after draining as an 
alternative to antifreeze which forever smells when using hot water. The drain 
in not quite positioned at the bottom of the tank so there is always some 
residual water left in the tank and although I leave the drain valve open for 
expansion I am concerned that any freezing could damage the tank connections. 
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Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

2015-10-26 Thread Russ & Melody via CnC-List


Hi Steve,

The booze is not wasted.
Years ago on this list there was such a thread about using vodka as 
the anti-freeze and the guy's observation that he got lots of help 
with spring commissioning. Just add orange juice & friends.


Cheers, Russ


At 08:37 PM 26/10/2015, you wrote:

 
 I don't know why you would have rubber parts in a hot water tank, 
and barring that I don't see how pure alcohol would hurt, but I 
agree with the other comments that suggest that it is probably a 
waste of good booze.


Steve Thomas
Port Stanley, ON
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Subject: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

Any downside to putting some vodka in the hot water tank after 
draining as an alternative to antifreeze which forever smells when 
using hot water. The drain in not quite positioned at the bottom of 
the tank so there is always some residual water left in the tank and 
although I leave the drain valve open for expansion I am concerned 
that any freezing could damage the tank connections. Any advice 
would be appreciated.




John

Arpeggio C&C 32

Norwalk, CT


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Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

2015-10-26 Thread S Thomas via CnC-List
 If the tank is empty for all but a small bit at the bottom, and (this is 
critical) no pipes still have or will have water in them, and all valves are 
open, then you should be ok. A shop vac is your friend when it comes to making 
sure that lines are dried out. Works wonders for that last bit in the bilge and 
the ice box too. Those last little bits of water are much more likely to be 
responsible for obnoxious scum than freezing damage in my opinion, but still a 
good reason to dry them out if you can. The potable water system is less likely 
to contain nutrients for slime causing bugs. The ice that forms from very small 
amounts of water remaining in the bottom of a container, and the expansion of 
water as it approaches plus 4 degrees Celsius, is not like the pack ice that 
crushed the Endurance. It needs to be confined in some way to cause damage. The 
confinement can come from ice as it forms, and so the danger from water 
remaining in lines or in pumps, but a tiny bit in the bottom of a tank or 
muffler would not cause me concern. Maybe it should, but if that is the case 
then I have been lucky. I got sick of the taste of plumbing antifreeze early on 
too.
 I don't know why you would have rubber parts in a hot water tank, and barring 
that I don't see how pure alcohol would hurt, but I agree with the other 
comments that suggest that it is probably a waste of good booze. 

Steve Thomas
Port Stanley, ON
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  Subject: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank


  Any downside to putting some vodka in the hot water tank after draining as an 
alternative to antifreeze which forever smells when using hot water. The drain 
in not quite positioned at the bottom of the tank so there is always some 
residual water left in the tank and although I leave the drain valve open for 
expansion I am concerned that any freezing could damage the tank connections. 
Any advice would be appreciated.

   

  John

  Arpeggio C&C 32

  Norwalk, CT



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Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

2015-10-26 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Problems that you can experience with any type of antifreeze are dilution
and stratification.

Dilution happens as a result of not getting all the water out of the system
first.

Stratification happens as a result of numerous freeze/thaw cycles.

Both of these conditions will allow freezing in the pipes and components.
Even the proper concentration antifreeze will allow slush to form in the
solution long before it reaches the lowest protection temperature.

I prefer blowing or sucking the system dry instead of relying on
antifreeze.  I'm not opposed to adding antifreeze as extra insurance.

As for using alcohol, if I used anything I'd use grain alcohol
(Everclear).  At lease then its almost pure alcohol and less likely to
stratify or slush.

I put a three way valve in my system which allows me to redirect the water
supply from the cold water/drain to the hot water.  In the spring I can
hook up my fill hose from the dock.  Then set the 3-way valve to supply the
hot water side.  Then open the water heater drain (and vent) to the bilge.
I can let that eat for hours without any interaction and it flushes
everything (tank, pressure pump, hoses, water heater)

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Oct 26, 2015 8:21 PM, "John Russo via CnC-List" 
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> Any downside to putting some vodka in the hot water tank after draining as
> an alternative to antifreeze which forever smells when using hot water. The
> drain in not quite positioned at the bottom of the tank so there is always
> some residual water left in the tank and although I leave the drain valve
> open for expansion I am concerned that any freezing could damage the tank
> connections. Any advice would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> John
>
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Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

2015-10-26 Thread Michael Cotton via CnC-List
Jell-O shots taste much better.

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> On Oct 26, 2015, at 10:26 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Waste of good liquor.  Like Andrew said, might damage something.
> 
> Lots of substances will lower the freezing point of water.  Salt will take it 
> down to -6F if fully saturated.
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 7:20 PM, John Russo via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Any downside to putting some vodka in the hot water tank after draining as 
>> an alternative to antifreeze which forever smells when using hot water. The 
>> drain in not quite positioned at the bottom of the tank so there is always 
>> some residual water left in the tank and although I leave the drain valve 
>> open for expansion I am concerned that any freezing could damage the tank 
>> connections. Any advice would be appreciated.
>> 
>>  
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> Norwalk, CT
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Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

2015-10-26 Thread Michael Cotton via CnC-List
Flush well and enjoy the Jell-O shots

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> On Oct 26, 2015, at 9:12 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've asked this same question and the answer is that the alcohol will damage 
> rubber parts in the system. So we have to flush well in the spring.
> 
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI 
> USA02840
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>> On Oct 26, 2015, at 20:20, John Russo via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Any downside to putting some vodka in the hot water tank after draining as 
>> an alternative to antifreeze which forever smells when using hot water. The 
>> drain in not quite positioned at the bottom of the tank so there is always 
>> some residual water left in the tank and although I leave the drain valve 
>> open for expansion I am concerned that any freezing could damage the tank 
>> connections. Any advice would be appreciated.
>>  
>> John
>> Arpeggio C&C 32
>> Norwalk, CT
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Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

2015-10-26 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
Waste of good liquor.  Like Andrew said, might damage something.

Lots of substances will lower the freezing point of water.  Salt will take
it down to -6F if fully saturated.

Dennis C.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 7:20 PM, John Russo via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Any downside to putting some vodka in the hot water tank after draining as
> an alternative to antifreeze which forever smells when using hot water. The
> drain in not quite positioned at the bottom of the tank so there is always
> some residual water left in the tank and although I leave the drain valve
> open for expansion I am concerned that any freezing could damage the tank
> connections. Any advice would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> John
>
> Arpeggio C&C 32
>
> Norwalk, CT
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Re: Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

2015-10-26 Thread Andrew Burton via CnC-List
I've asked this same question and the answer is that the alcohol will damage 
rubber parts in the system. So we have to flush well in the spring.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

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> On Oct 26, 2015, at 20:20, John Russo via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Any downside to putting some vodka in the hot water tank after draining as an 
> alternative to antifreeze which forever smells when using hot water. The 
> drain in not quite positioned at the bottom of the tank so there is always 
> some residual water left in the tank and although I leave the drain valve 
> open for expansion I am concerned that any freezing could damage the tank 
> connections. Any advice would be appreciated.
>  
> John
> Arpeggio C&C 32
> Norwalk, CT
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Stus-List Vodka for Hot water tank

2015-10-26 Thread John Russo via CnC-List
Any downside to putting some vodka in the hot water tank after draining as
an alternative to antifreeze which forever smells when using hot water. The
drain in not quite positioned at the bottom of the tank so there is always
some residual water left in the tank and although I leave the drain valve
open for expansion I am concerned that any freezing could damage the tank
connections. Any advice would be appreciated.

 

John

Arpeggio C&C 32

Norwalk, CT

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