Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

“What’s that mountain goat doing up here?”
(IIRC credit to Gary Larson)

The sailing equivalent may be “is that seagull standing on something?”

Back in the 70’s I was helping deliver a C&C 39 the night before a local race.  
As we neared the Des Moines (south of Seattle) marina I went below to use the 
head.  The crew on deck decided to take a short cut to the marina entrance 
(alcohol may have been a factor).  As I was sitting on the head I heard a 
strange noise… sounds like sand… then we ran aground on the sand bar just north 
of the marina. Fortunately the tide was rising and we could motor off easily.  
The bottom of the keel was now nicely sanded.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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Yes – CFIT.
CFIT was reduced when the GPWS system was developed. This is basically a depth 
finder for airplanes with an alarm for rising terrain. It used radar instead of 
sound to measure height.  It worked great on gradually rising ground – a cliff 
not so much. Now we have TAWS which uses GPS and a terrain map. This can 
predict in advance what you might hit, which is much better. My S-H plotter I 
have got but not yet installed has a similar function to set an alarm if your 
course goes through shallow water. I haven’t yet tried that function. This is a 
sample of a modern GPS driven display:
https://n999za.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/sv-d1000_straight_on.jpg



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Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:31 AM
To: Ronald B. Frerker; CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

Isn't the FAA phrase for that "controlled flight into terrain"?
Dennis C.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Airplanes only get grounded on mountains though.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL



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Subject: Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

That kind of mistake REALLY hurts in an airplane




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Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Yes – CFIT.
CFIT was reduced when the GPWS system was developed. This is basically a depth 
finder for airplanes with an alarm for rising terrain. It used radar instead of 
sound to measure height.  It worked great on gradually rising ground – a cliff 
not so much. Now we have TAWS which uses GPS and a terrain map. This can 
predict in advance what you might hit, which is much better. My S-H plotter I 
have got but not yet installed has a similar function to set an alarm if your 
course goes through shallow water. I haven’t yet tried that function. This is a 
sample of a modern GPS driven display:
https://n999za.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/sv-d1000_straight_on.jpg



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Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:31 AM
To: Ronald B. Frerker; CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

Isn't the FAA phrase for that "controlled flight into terrain"?
Dennis C.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Airplanes only get grounded on mountains though.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL



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That kind of mistake REALLY hurts in an airplane




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Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Isn't the FAA phrase for that "controlled flight into terrain"?

Dennis C.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List <
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> Airplanes only get grounded on mountains though.
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
> C&C 30-1
> STL
>
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 4:29 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report
>
> That kind of mistake REALLY hurts in an airplane
>
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Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

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Airplanes only get grounded on mountains though.RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL

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Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

They were astoundingly lucky they didn’t dump half their crew off the boat in 
the dark.
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 3:11 PM
To: Martin DeYoung; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: OldSteveH
Subject: Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

When the former Donneybrook hit a rock exiting the Bay the skipper broke 
several ribs on the wheel.  The boat was going 12 knots.  It was a total loss.

No one on Vestas was hearing a PFD or harness in clear violation of ISAF 
requirements.  Apparently safety was not a primary concern.

Joel

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> At that kind of speed it's incredible there weren't serious personal injuries 
> from the reef grounding situation. Bodies must have gone flying . .

I believe the impact was less violent because the keel was canted to weather.  
On our old school boats with a fixed keel a grounding at speed equals that very 
sudden stop that throws crew to the deck.  The video of Vestas' grounding 
showed some violent motion but it appears to be a rotation (180 degree?) around 
the keel as it comes to a stop.  The first hit appears to be a dagger board or 
possibly a rudder which may have absorbed some of the momentum.

Back in the late 70's I was crewing on a C&C 39 competing in the Southern 
Straits of Georgia race (near Vancouver BC).  I was off watch and in one of the 
pilot berths, feet forward.  The on deck team was cutting close to one of the 
islands (possibly Entrance) to get some relief from the adverse current.  When 
the boat struck a chuck of the island the stop was so sudden I slid forward in 
the bunk.  Many of the crew on deck were knocked down.  We got off the rock by 
using the spinnaker pole as a lever to rotate clear.  The keel stood up well to 
the hit losing a golf ball sized chunk of lead.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle


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Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

Myself and 10 other crew helped Derek Hatfield sail his Volvo 60 1,700 nm from 
Halifax to Antigua just over a year ago.
Fortunately we hit no reefs, though we did run aground (under power) on the way 
into Jolly Harbour in Antigua.
The boat has a long spade keel with a bulb at the bottom and carries about
12 ft of draft.

Our top speed on our trip was about 22 knots, the most I had at the helm was
18 knots.
At that kind of speed it's incredible there weren't serious personal injuries 
from the reef grounding situation. Bodies must have gone flying . .
.

On a side note it is not pleasant to be off-shift on that boat in tropical 
weather. There is no cabin ventilation whatsoever due to constant wash and 
spray, it's very hot inside.

Cheers

Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON

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Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

When the former Donneybrook hit a rock exiting the Bay the skipper broke
several ribs on the wheel.  The boat was going 12 knots.  It was a total
loss.

No one on Vestas was hearing a PFD or harness in clear violation of ISAF
requirements.  Apparently safety was not a primary concern.

Joel

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> > At that kind of speed it's incredible there weren't serious personal
> injuries from the reef grounding situation. Bodies must have gone flying . .
>
> I believe the impact was less violent because the keel was canted to
> weather.  On our old school boats with a fixed keel a grounding at speed
> equals that very sudden stop that throws crew to the deck.  The video of
> Vestas' grounding showed some violent motion but it appears to be a
> rotation (180 degree?) around the keel as it comes to a stop.  The first
> hit appears to be a dagger board or possibly a rudder which may have
> absorbed some of the momentum.
>
> Back in the late 70's I was crewing on a C&C 39 competing in the Southern
> Straits of Georgia race (near Vancouver BC).  I was off watch and in one of
> the pilot berths, feet forward.  The on deck team was cutting close to one
> of the islands (possibly Entrance) to get some relief from the adverse
> current.  When the boat struck a chuck of the island the stop was so sudden
> I slid forward in the bunk.  Many of the crew on deck were knocked down.
> We got off the rock by using the spinnaker pole as a lever to rotate
> clear.  The keel stood up well to the hit losing a golf ball sized chunk of
> lead.
>
> Martin DeYoung
> Calypso
> 1971 C&C 43
> Seattle
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
> OldSteveH via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:26 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report
>
> Myself and 10 other crew helped Derek Hatfield sail his Volvo 60 1,700 nm
> from Halifax to Antigua just over a year ago.
> Fortunately we hit no reefs, though we did run aground (under power) on
> the way into Jolly Harbour in Antigua.
> The boat has a long spade keel with a bulb at the bottom and carries about
> 12 ft of draft.
>
> Our top speed on our trip was about 22 knots, the most I had at the helm
> was
> 18 knots.
> At that kind of speed it's incredible there weren't serious personal
> injuries from the reef grounding situation. Bodies must have gone flying . .
> .
>
> On a side note it is not pleasant to be off-shift on that boat in tropical
> weather. There is no cabin ventilation whatsoever due to constant wash and
> spray, it's very hot inside.
>
> Cheers
>
> Steve Hood
> S/V Diamond Girl
> C&C 34
> Lions Head ON
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

> At that kind of speed it's incredible there weren't serious personal injuries 
> from the reef grounding situation. Bodies must have gone flying . .

I believe the impact was less violent because the keel was canted to weather.  
On our old school boats with a fixed keel a grounding at speed equals that very 
sudden stop that throws crew to the deck.  The video of Vestas' grounding 
showed some violent motion but it appears to be a rotation (180 degree?) around 
the keel as it comes to a stop.  The first hit appears to be a dagger board or 
possibly a rudder which may have absorbed some of the momentum.

Back in the late 70's I was crewing on a C&C 39 competing in the Southern 
Straits of Georgia race (near Vancouver BC).  I was off watch and in one of the 
pilot berths, feet forward.  The on deck team was cutting close to one of the 
islands (possibly Entrance) to get some relief from the adverse current.  When 
the boat struck a chuck of the island the stop was so sudden I slid forward in 
the bunk.  Many of the crew on deck were knocked down.  We got off the rock by 
using the spinnaker pole as a lever to rotate clear.  The keel stood up well to 
the hit losing a golf ball sized chunk of lead.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of OldSteveH 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

Myself and 10 other crew helped Derek Hatfield sail his Volvo 60 1,700 nm from 
Halifax to Antigua just over a year ago.
Fortunately we hit no reefs, though we did run aground (under power) on the way 
into Jolly Harbour in Antigua.
The boat has a long spade keel with a bulb at the bottom and carries about
12 ft of draft.

Our top speed on our trip was about 22 knots, the most I had at the helm was
18 knots.
At that kind of speed it's incredible there weren't serious personal injuries 
from the reef grounding situation. Bodies must have gone flying . .
.

On a side note it is not pleasant to be off-shift on that boat in tropical 
weather. There is no cabin ventilation whatsoever due to constant wash and 
spray, it's very hot inside.

Cheers

Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON


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Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

[OldSteveH via CnC-List]

Myself and 10 other crew helped Derek Hatfield sail his Volvo 60 1,700 nm
from Halifax to Antigua just over a year ago.
Fortunately we hit no reefs, though we did run aground (under power) on the
way into Jolly Harbour in Antigua.
The boat has a long spade keel with a bulb at the bottom and carries about
12 ft of draft.

Our top speed on our trip was about 22 knots, the most I had at the helm was
18 knots.
At that kind of speed it's incredible there weren't serious personal
injuries from the reef grounding situation. Bodies must have gone flying . .
.

On a side note it is not pleasant to be off-shift on that boat in tropical
weather. There is no cabin ventilation whatsoever due to constant wash and
spray, it's very hot inside.

Cheers

Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON


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Interesting reading!

If I think about it, I?ve got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on
digital charts.

I?m going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper
charts a lot more.






sam :-)

C&C 26  Liquorice

Ghost Lake  Alberta
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Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Can't believe they only had one GPS dongle for two laptops. Is there a
budget that tight?

Joel

On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Maybe I am a bit over the top, but I call it "good seamanship" (or lack
> thereof).
>
>
>
> Marek
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On
> Behalf Of *Martin DeYoung via CnC-List
> *Sent:* March-10-15 17:18
> *To:* sam.c.sal...@gmail.com
> ;
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report
>
>
>
> I always have a paper chart(s) as a back-up to the chart plotter.  For
> offshore passages I also carry a sextant and the materials needed to reduce
> a sight.
>
>
>
> I am surprised that professional, highly paid, top of their industry
> navigators and skippers to not have even a large area overview chart on
> paper.
>
>
>
> Maybe it is a generational thing that I do not trust electronics to stand
> between me and a safe passage.
>
>
>
> Martin DeYoung
>
> Calypso
>
> 1971 C&C 43
>
> Seattle
>
>
> [image: Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F]
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On
> Behalf Of *Sam Salter via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:22 PM
> *To:* CnC
> *Subject:* Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report
>
>
>
>
> http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29&elqaid=15257&elqat=1
>
>
>
> Interesting reading!
>
> If I think about it, I’ve got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on
> digital charts.
>
> I’m going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper
> charts a lot more.
>
>
>
>
>
> sam :-)
>
> C&C 26  Liquorice
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Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Maybe I am a bit over the top, but I call it "good seamanship" (or lack 
thereof).

 

Marek

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin 
DeYoung via CnC-List
Sent: March-10-15 17:18
To: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

 

I always have a paper chart(s) as a back-up to the chart plotter.  For offshore 
passages I also carry a sextant and the materials needed to reduce a sight.

 

I am surprised that professional, highly paid, top of their industry navigators 
and skippers to not have even a large area overview chart on paper.

 

Maybe it is a generational thing that I do not trust electronics to stand 
between me and a safe passage.

 

Martin DeYoung

Calypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle


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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Salter 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:22 PM
To: CnC
Subject: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

 

 
<http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29&elqaid=15257&elqat=1>
 
http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29&elqaid=15257&elqat=1

 

Interesting reading!

If I think about it, I’ve got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on 
digital charts.

I’m going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper charts 
a lot more.

 

 

sam :-)

C&C 26  Liquorice

Ghost Lake  Alberta

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Maybe to save weight?

Seriously though, I too always have paper charts and try and keep a plot going 
with GPS positions, hopefully every hour. Generational because I distinctly 
remember losing GPS (very, very early days of GPS) on a delivery down through 
the Bahamas. Nice to kinda know where we were.

Dave

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 10, 2015, at 17:17, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I always have a paper chart(s) as a back-up to the chart plotter.  For 
> offshore passages I also carry a sextant and the materials needed to reduce a 
> sight.
>  
> I am surprised that professional, highly paid, top of their industry 
> navigators and skippers to not have even a large area overview chart on paper.
>  
> Maybe it is a generational thing that I do not trust electronics to stand 
> between me and a safe passage.
>  
> Martin DeYoung
> Calypso
> 1971 C&C 43
> Seattle
> 
> 
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Salter 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:22 PM
> To: CnC
> Subject: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report
>  
> http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29&elqaid=15257&elqat=1
>  
> Interesting reading!
> If I think about it, I’ve got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on 
> digital charts.
> I’m going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper 
> charts a lot more.
>  
>  
> sam :-)
> C&C 26  Liquorice
> Ghost Lake  Alberta
>  
>  
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Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

That kind of mistake REALLY hurts in an airplane

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Salter 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:23 PM
To: CnC
Subject: Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

 

They actually had the charts, but didn’t look!

 

sam :-)

 

From: Martin DeYoung <mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> 
Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎March‎ ‎10‎, ‎2015 ‎3‎:‎17‎ ‎PM
To: Sam Salter <mailto:sam.c.sal...@gmail.com> , CnC 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 

 

I always have a paper chart(s) as a back-up to the chart plotter.  For offshore 
passages I also carry a sextant and the materials needed to reduce a sight.

 

I am surprised that professional, highly paid, top of their industry navigators 
and skippers to not have even a large area overview chart on paper.

 

Maybe it is a generational thing that I do not trust electronics to stand 
between me and a safe passage.

 

Martin DeYoung

Calypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle


Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Salter 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:22 PM
To: CnC
Subject: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

 

 
<http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29&elqaid=15257&elqat=1>
 
http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29&elqaid=15257&elqat=1

 

Interesting reading!

If I think about it, I’ve got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on 
digital charts.

I’m going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper charts 
a lot more.

 

 

sam :-)

C&C 26  Liquorice

Ghost Lake  Alberta

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

They actually had the charts, but didn’t look!






sam :-)






From: Martin DeYoung
Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎March‎ ‎10‎, ‎2015 ‎3‎:‎17‎ ‎PM
To: Sam Salter, CnC






I always have a paper chart(s) as a back-up to the chart plotter.  For offshore 
passages I also carry a sextant and the materials needed to reduce a sight.

 

I am surprised that professional, highly paid, top of their industry navigators 
and skippers to not have even a large area overview chart on paper.

 

Maybe it is a generational thing that I do not trust electronics to stand 
between me and a safe passage.

 


Martin DeYoung

Calypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle


 Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F 

 



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Salter 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:22 PM
To: CnC
Subject: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

 




http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29&elqaid=15257&elqat=1


 


Interesting reading!


If I think about it, I’ve got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on 
digital charts.


I’m going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper charts 
a lot more.

 



 


sam :-)


C&C 26  Liquorice


Ghost Lake  Alberta___

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Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

I always have a paper chart(s) as a back-up to the chart plotter.  For offshore 
passages I also carry a sextant and the materials needed to reduce a sight.

I am surprised that professional, highly paid, top of their industry navigators 
and skippers to not have even a large area overview chart on paper.

Maybe it is a generational thing that I do not trust electronics to stand 
between me and a safe passage.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

[Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F]

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Salter 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:22 PM
To: CnC
Subject: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29&elqaid=15257&elqat=1

Interesting reading!
If I think about it, I’ve got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on 
digital charts.
I’m going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper charts 
a lot more.


sam :-)
C&C 26  Liquorice
Ghost Lake  Alberta


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Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

[Gary Zuehlke via CnC-List]

I have noticed last year when my GPS antena shorted out and I went to my
phone based software (navionics) that it did not show bouys that I knew
were there unless I zoomed in.  The NOAA charts when converted to
electronic at least show a fot or something. You may have to zoom in to see
what it is but you have a clue.  The radtor chart on my phone still failed
yo tell me about the bouy that was pretty darn close.

It was Lake St. Clair and I knew about the bouy but it made me wonder about
being in unfamiliar waters.  Then Tean Vestesnow I really am nervous
about just electronic navigation in unfamiliar waters.
On Mar 10, 2015 4:27 PM, "Sam Salter via CnC-List" 
wrote:

>
> *http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29&elqaid=15257&elqat=1*
> 
>
> Interesting reading!
> If I think about it, I’ve got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on
> digital charts.
> I’m going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper
> charts a lot more.
>
>
> sam :-)
> C&C 26  Liquorice
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Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report

[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29&elqaid=15257&elqat=1



Interesting reading!

If I think about it, I’ve got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on 
digital charts.

I’m going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper charts 
a lot more.






sam :-)

C&C 26  Liquorice

Ghost Lake  Alberta___

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