Re: Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass
Hair dryer trick sounds like good advice. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Matt Wolford via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: June 25, 2020 11:20 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: wolf...@erie.net<mailto:wolf...@erie.net> Subject: Re: Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass I tried something different on my 34 years ago. Most of the screws holding the forward hatch were getting loose and, of course, the reason was wet core underneath. I drilled out all of the screw holes (oversized a bit) and dried the core where necessary using a trick taught to me by my West System guru. Take a suitably sized Tupperware container, remove the top (throw it away), and cut a hole in the bottom the size of a small hair dryer nozzle. Place the hairdryer nozzle into the hole you cut, tape it in place with duct tape, tape the hair dryer contraption in place on the deck over the wet core holes, and let it run for a while (low heat setting will prevent it from overheating). I needed to move the contraption around to dry various holes in my case. Once you’re satisfied the core area is sufficiently dry, you can then repair. What I did differently in this case was, instead of screwing back into cured epoxy (or using plastic anchors), I bought some stainless inserts for machine screws and epoxied them in place. (Yardley product as I recall.) When I was finished, I could unscrew the machine screws to remove the hatch. Because the inserts were epoxied in place and isolated from the core, I didn’t worry much about the seal at the deck after that. It was a lot of extra work (not sure it was worth it), but the forward hatch was solidly connected to the deck and I never had a problem. Matt Wolford C&C 42 Custom From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 6:39 PM To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass I'd overbore the holes, coat the wood with neat epoxy (no thickener) using a cotton swab or equivalent then fill with epoxy thickened with microfibers. Redrill and use new screws same size as the original. I don't like using thickened epoxy without coating with neat epoxy first. You don't get as good a bond and you may leave gaps. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 2:51 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Hi Guys, The fiberglass sea good that covers the cabintop window and companionway slider on my 34R is attached with a dozen #8 x 1" wood screws. The holes for these screws penetrate the balsa core of the cabintop and were sealed with white caulk. There is no way to through bolt it. I'm planning to overdrill the holes to 3/4" and fill with Thixo flexible epoxy and then drill the holes to 1/4" to take plastic masonry anchors. The SS wood screws will like these anchors, be removable and the core will be better protected from water penetration. I'm trying to decide between using plastic masonry anchors made for wood screws, or screw in threaded fittings and use machine screws. Or maybe I should drill and tap the epoxy and use machine screws? Any better ideas? Masonry anchors: https://www.kimballmidwest.com/All-Products/Fasteners/Anchors/Tubular-Screw-Anchors/483072 Threaded fittings: https://www.grainger.com/category/fasteners/thread-insert/self-locking-inserts?cm_sp=Product_Details-_-Categories_Based_on_Your_Search-_-IDPPLACAT Thanks, Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Pasadena Md ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass
Chuck, Yes. Overbore, coat with neat epoxy, fill with thickened epoxy then drill pilot hole same size or slightly larger as shaft of fastener. Dennis C. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass
I tried something different on my 34 years ago. Most of the screws holding the forward hatch were getting loose and, of course, the reason was wet core underneath. I drilled out all of the screw holes (oversized a bit) and dried the core where necessary using a trick taught to me by my West System guru. Take a suitably sized Tupperware container, remove the top (throw it away), and cut a hole in the bottom the size of a small hair dryer nozzle. Place the hairdryer nozzle into the hole you cut, tape it in place with duct tape, tape the hair dryer contraption in place on the deck over the wet core holes, and let it run for a while (low heat setting will prevent it from overheating). I needed to move the contraption around to dry various holes in my case. Once you’re satisfied the core area is sufficiently dry, you can then repair. What I did differently in this case was, instead of screwing back into cured epoxy (or using plastic anchors), I bought some stainless inserts for machine screws and epoxied them in place. (Yardley product as I recall.) When I was finished, I could unscrew the machine screws to remove the hatch. Because the inserts were epoxied in place and isolated from the core, I didn’t worry much about the seal at the deck after that. It was a lot of extra work (not sure it was worth it), but the forward hatch was solidly connected to the deck and I never had a problem. Matt Wolford C&C 42 Custom From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 6:39 PM To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass I'd overbore the holes, coat the wood with neat epoxy (no thickener) using a cotton swab or equivalent then fill with epoxy thickened with microfibers. Redrill and use new screws same size as the original. I don't like using thickened epoxy without coating with neat epoxy first. You don't get as good a bond and you may leave gaps. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 2:51 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Hi Guys, The fiberglass sea good that covers the cabintop window and companionway slider on my 34R is attached with a dozen #8 x 1" wood screws. The holes for these screws penetrate the balsa core of the cabintop and were sealed with white caulk. There is no way to through bolt it. I'm planning to overdrill the holes to 3/4" and fill with Thixo flexible epoxy and then drill the holes to 1/4" to take plastic masonry anchors. The SS wood screws will like these anchors, be removable and the core will be better protected from water penetration. I'm trying to decide between using plastic masonry anchors made for wood screws, or screw in threaded fittings and use machine screws. Or maybe I should drill and tap the epoxy and use machine screws? Any better ideas? Masonry anchors: https://www.kimballmidwest.com/All-Products/Fasteners/Anchors/Tubular-Screw-Anchors/483072 Threaded fittings: https://www.grainger.com/category/fasteners/thread-insert/self-locking-inserts?cm_sp=Product_Details-_-Categories_Based_on_Your_Search-_-IDPPLACAT Thanks, Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Pasadena Md ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass
https://www.westsystem.com/instruction-2/epoxy-basics/bonding-fasteners-hardware/ Bill From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 10:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Re: Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass Hi Dennis, Agree on applying neat epoxy before thickened epoxy. It eliminates air gaps and extends the bond deeper into the core. You're suggesting I pilot hole and screw into the cured epoxy and not use plastic anchors? Chuck S On 06/24/2020 6:39 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote: I'd overbore the holes, coat the wood with neat epoxy (no thickener) using a cotton swab or equivalent then fill with epoxy thickened with microfibers. Redrill and use new screws same size as the original. I don't like using thickened epoxy without coating with neat epoxy first. You don't get as good a bond and you may leave gaps. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 2:51 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass
Hi Dennis, Agree on applying neat epoxy before thickened epoxy. It eliminates air gaps and extends the bond deeper into the core. You're suggesting I pilot hole and screw into the cured epoxy and not use plastic anchors? Chuck S > On 06/24/2020 6:39 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List > wrote: > > > I'd overbore the holes, coat the wood with neat epoxy (no thickener) > using a cotton swab or equivalent then fill with epoxy thickened with > microfibers. Redrill and use new screws same size as the original. > > I don't like using thickened epoxy without coating with neat epoxy first. > You don't get as good a bond and you may leave gaps. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 2:51 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass
I'd overbore the holes, coat the wood with neat epoxy (no thickener) using a cotton swab or equivalent then fill with epoxy thickened with microfibers. Redrill and use new screws same size as the original. I don't like using thickened epoxy without coating with neat epoxy first. You don't get as good a bond and you may leave gaps. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 2:51 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Guys, > > The fiberglass sea good that covers the cabintop window and companionway > slider on my 34R is attached with a dozen #8 x 1" wood screws. The holes > for these screws penetrate the balsa core of the cabintop and were sealed > with white caulk. There is no way to through bolt it. I'm planning to > overdrill the holes to 3/4" and fill with Thixo flexible epoxy and then > drill the holes to 1/4" to take plastic masonry anchors. The SS wood > screws will like these anchors, be removable and the core will be better > protected from water penetration. I'm trying to decide between using > plastic masonry anchors made for wood screws, or screw in threaded fittings > and use machine screws. Or maybe I should drill and tap the epoxy and use > machine screws? Any better ideas? > > Masonry anchors: > > https://www.kimballmidwest.com/All-Products/Fasteners/Anchors/Tubular-Screw-Anchors/483072 > > Threaded fittings: > > https://www.grainger.com/category/fasteners/thread-insert/self-locking-inserts?cm_sp=Product_Details-_-Categories_Based_on_Your_Search-_-IDPPLACAT > > Thanks, > Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Pasadena Md > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass
I drilled mine out a bit, and pushed some thickened epoxy in, and got some SS Helicoils. I put a bit of Tefgel on the 10-24 machine screws, screwed them into the Helicoils, and then pushed that into the hole. They should stay in place if you have the epoxy thickened enough. Worked great. Bill Coleman Erie PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 3:51 PM To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass Hi Guys, The fiberglass sea good that covers the cabintop window and companionway slider on my 34R is attached with a dozen #8 x 1" wood screws. The holes for these screws penetrate the balsa core of the cabintop and were sealed with white caulk. There is no way to through bolt it. I'm planning to overdrill the holes to 3/4" and fill with Thixo flexible epoxy and then drill the holes to 1/4" to take plastic masonry anchors. The SS wood screws will like these anchors, be removable and the core will be better protected from water penetration. I'm trying to decide between using plastic masonry anchors made for wood screws, or screw in threaded fittings and use machine screws. Or maybe I should drill and tap the epoxy and use machine screws? Any better ideas? Masonry anchors: https://www.kimballmidwest.com/All-Products/Fasteners/Anchors/Tubular-Screw-Anchors/483072 Threaded fittings: https://www.grainger.com/category/fasteners/thread-insert/self-locking-inserts?cm_sp=Product_Details-_-Categories_Based_on_Your_Search-_-IDPPLACAT Thanks, Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Pasadena Md ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass
There was an interesting article in Practical Sailor recently, essentially concluding that Gorilla Glue is as effective (and much less costly) at certain deck repairs. From: CnC-List On Behalf Of CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:12 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Re: Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass Marek, I've filled holes from below using West System epoxy w 404 filler, mixed thick like peanut butter so you could push it up from below with a putty knife. I get it filled in and add a little extra, then cover with 3M Heavy Duty Clear Shipping Tape to prevent sagging. Wait till next day and remove tape and sand flush. Chuck S On 06/24/2020 4:00 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: I would be interested in the answers, as well. In my case, the seahood is attached from below. I am looking for an option of injecting “something” into the existing holes that would not flow out immediately (one option would be to stop gravity, but short of jumping on Edd’s Enterprise, I see this not feasible). Any suggestions would be welcomed Thanks Marek Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 15:51 To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER <mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> Subject: Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass Hi Guys, The fiberglass sea good that covers the cabintop window and companionway slider on my 34R is attached with a dozen #8 x 1" wood screws. The holes for these screws penetrate the balsa core of the cabintop and were sealed with white caulk. There is no way to through bolt it. I'm planning to overdrill the holes to 3/4" and fill with Thixo flexible epoxy and then drill the holes to 1/4" to take plastic masonry anchors. The SS wood screws will like these anchors, be removable and the core will be better protected from water penetration. I'm trying to decide between using plastic masonry anchors made for wood screws, or screw in threaded fittings and use machine screws. Or maybe I should drill and tap the epoxy and use machine screws? Any better ideas? Masonry anchors: https://www.kimballmidwest.com/All-Products/Fasteners/Anchors/Tubular-Screw-Anchors/483072 Threaded fittings: https://www.grainger.com/category/fasteners/thread-insert/self-locking-inserts?cm_sp=Product_Details-_-Categories_Based_on_Your_Search-_-IDPPLACAT Thanks, Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Pasadena Md ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass
Marek, I've filled holes from below using West System epoxy w 404 filler, mixed thick like peanut butter so you could push it up from below with a putty knife. I get it filled in and add a little extra, then cover with 3M Heavy Duty Clear Shipping Tape to prevent sagging. Wait till next day and remove tape and sand flush. Chuck S > On 06/24/2020 4:00 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List > wrote: > > > > I would be interested in the answers, as well. > > > In my case, the seahood is attached from below. > > > I am looking for an option of injecting “something” into the existing > holes that would not flow out immediately (one option would be to stop > gravity, but short of jumping on Edd’s Enterprise, I see this not feasible). > > > Any suggestions would be welcomed > > > Thanks > > > Marek > > > Sent from Mail https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows > 10 > > > From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 15:51 > To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net > Subject: Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass > > > Hi Guys, > > > > The fiberglass sea good that covers the cabintop window and companionway > slider on my 34R is attached with a dozen #8 x 1" wood screws. The holes for > these screws penetrate the balsa core of the cabintop and were sealed with > white caulk. There is no way to through bolt it. I'm planning to overdrill > the holes to 3/4" and fill with Thixo flexible epoxy and then drill the holes > to 1/4" to take plastic masonry anchors. The SS wood screws will like these > anchors, be removable and the core will be better protected from water > penetration. I'm trying to decide between using plastic masonry anchors made > for wood screws, or screw in threaded fittings and use machine screws. Or > maybe I should drill and tap the epoxy and use machine screws? Any better > ideas? > > > > Masonry anchors: > > > https://www.kimballmidwest.com/All-Products/Fasteners/Anchors/Tubular-Screw-Anchors/483072 > > > > Threaded fittings: > > > https://www.grainger.com/category/fasteners/thread-insert/self-locking-inserts?cm_sp=Product_Details-_-Categories_Based_on_Your_Search-_-IDPPLACAT > > > > Thanks, > > Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Pasadena Md > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass
I would be interested in the answers, as well. In my case, the seahood is attached from below. I am looking for an option of injecting “something” into the existing holes that would not flow out immediately (one option would be to stop gravity, but short of jumping on Edd’s Enterprise, I see this not feasible). Any suggestions would be welcomed Thanks Marek Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 15:51 To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER<mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> Subject: Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass Hi Guys, The fiberglass sea good that covers the cabintop window and companionway slider on my 34R is attached with a dozen #8 x 1" wood screws. The holes for these screws penetrate the balsa core of the cabintop and were sealed with white caulk. There is no way to through bolt it. I'm planning to overdrill the holes to 3/4" and fill with Thixo flexible epoxy and then drill the holes to 1/4" to take plastic masonry anchors. The SS wood screws will like these anchors, be removable and the core will be better protected from water penetration. I'm trying to decide between using plastic masonry anchors made for wood screws, or screw in threaded fittings and use machine screws. Or maybe I should drill and tap the epoxy and use machine screws? Any better ideas? Masonry anchors: https://www.kimballmidwest.com/All-Products/Fasteners/Anchors/Tubular-Screw-Anchors/483072 Threaded fittings: https://www.grainger.com/category/fasteners/thread-insert/self-locking-inserts?cm_sp=Product_Details-_-Categories_Based_on_Your_Search-_-IDPPLACAT Thanks, Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Pasadena Md ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List installing plastic anchors in fiberglass
Hi Guys, The fiberglass sea good that covers the cabintop window and companionway slider on my 34R is attached with a dozen #8 x 1" wood screws. The holes for these screws penetrate the balsa core of the cabintop and were sealed with white caulk. There is no way to through bolt it. I'm planning to overdrill the holes to 3/4" and fill with Thixo flexible epoxy and then drill the holes to 1/4" to take plastic masonry anchors. The SS wood screws will like these anchors, be removable and the core will be better protected from water penetration. I'm trying to decide between using plastic masonry anchors made for wood screws, or screw in threaded fittings and use machine screws. Or maybe I should drill and tap the epoxy and use machine screws? Any better ideas? Masonry anchors: https://www.kimballmidwest.com/All-Products/Fasteners/Anchors/Tubular-Screw-Anchors/483072 Threaded fittings: https://www.grainger.com/category/fasteners/thread-insert/self-locking-inserts?cm_sp=Product_Details-_-Categories_Based_on_Your_Search-_-IDPPLACAT Thanks, Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Pasadena Md___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
