Re: Stus-List too many wires for in-pedestal? Is that why people network?

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I recently completed an autopilot installation and in the process I run several 
wires through the 1” binnacle guard. I could believe it initially, but I was 
able to run 4 cables without too much problem through one leg of the guard. 
These cables were Garmin chartplotter cable, Garmin depth, SeatalkNG and wheel 
drive power cable. The trick is in running the cables with the biggest 
plugs/connectors first. E.g. I run the SeatalkNG cable from below, but the 
wheel drive power cable in the opposite direction (no connector on the “below” 
end).

Marek
1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa, ON

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Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:32:47 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List too many wires for in-pedestal? Is that why people 
network?

It sounds to me like you are referring to the pedestal guard when you talk 
about various sides.  If so, yes networking can reduce the number wires 
required.  Especially wireless networking.  Another option is to upgrade the 
size of the guard.  I recently installed a 9"  b zeus 3 in a navpod and the 
recommendation from navpod was to upgrade the guard diameter from 1" to 1.25".  
 They cited some high percentage of increased wire capacity.   It was 
relatively seamless but not particularly inexpensive.

It sounds like you have a wire which can be removed (old chartplotter cable)?  
Why not do that?

Another trick I pulled was powering the LED in the compass from the "remote" 
(yellow) wire on the chartplotter.  When you turn the chartplotter on the 
compass comes on.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 3:53 PM Nate Flesness via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I'm trying to add a sirius satellite weather receiver to my existing Raymarine 
Es7 display, which is ram-mounted on top of the pedestal and has AIS fed from a 
down-below VHF receiver. (I managed to do that myself awhile back).

So one side of the pedestal tube I filled very full with AIS cabling plus power 
for the Es7, and I just realized the other side is full too, with (an older) 
autopilot connection, plus binnacle light power. I can't fit another Raymarine 
custom-headed cable, needed to connect to the SR200 Sirius receiver, in either 
side.

The options I can think of are:

1. Maybe combine the binnacle light and ES7 power cabling to make a little more 
room on one side. Might possibly be enough...
2. Invest more $$ and install a Seatalk network connector, which I THINK(??) 
means the AIS and Sirius signals could get to the Es7 display via a single 
cable? Can anyone confirm this? I have the question into Raymarine support, 
but waiting 

I have no plans to add more stuff to a network, and am one of those retired 
semi-IT guys who is NOT at all excited about playing with boat electronics

Any suggestions or advice?
Many thanks

Nate

1994 Tartan 31 "Raven"
SIskiwit Bay
Lake Superior

1980 C 30-1 "Sarah Jean"
St. Croix River
Hudson WI



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Re: Stus-List too many wires for in-pedestal? Is that why people network?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

For all the data transfers consider using 20 AWG shielded signal wire with
8 conductors.  Search for "20/8 marine signal cable" or "22/8 marine signal
cable".  If your binnacle light is LED, you could probably use a pair of
the 20 AWG for that also.

https://www.amazon.com/AWG-Conductor-Signal-Marine-Wire/dp/B07GH94T6F

The 20/8 cable isn't huge.  You can then use larger cable for the users
with bigger draws.  Download Blue Sea Systems Circuit Wizard app and check
all your wire sizing.   http://circuitwizard.bluesea.com/

You can use larger wire up to the base of the pedestal and then smaller
wires from here.

Just some ideas for you.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:53 PM Nate Flesness via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to add a sirius satellite weather receiver to my existing
> Raymarine Es7 display, which is ram-mounted on top of the pedestal and has
> AIS fed from a down-below VHF receiver. (I managed to do that myself awhile
> back).
>
> So one side of the pedestal tube I filled very full with AIS cabling plus
> power for the Es7, and I just realized the other side is full too, with (an
> older) autopilot connection, plus binnacle light power. I can't fit another
> Raymarine custom-headed cable, needed to connect to the SR200 Sirius
> receiver, in either side.
>
> The options I can think of are:
>
> 1. Maybe combine the binnacle light and ES7 power cabling to make a little
> more room on one side. Might possibly be enough...
> 2. Invest more $$ and install a Seatalk network connector, which I
> THINK(??) means the AIS and Sirius signals could get to the Es7 display via
> a single cable? Can anyone confirm this? I have the question into Raymarine
> support, but waiting 
>
> I have no plans to add more stuff to a network, and am one of those
> retired semi-IT guys who is NOT at all excited about playing with boat
> electronics
>
> Any suggestions or advice?
> Many thanks
>
> Nate
>
> 1994 Tartan 31 "Raven"
> SIskiwit Bay
> Lake Superior
>
> 1980 C 30-1 "Sarah Jean"
> St. Croix River
> Hudson WI
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List too many wires for in-pedestal? Is that why people network?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

It sounds to me like you are referring to the pedestal guard when you talk
about various sides.  If so, yes networking can reduce the number wires
required.  Especially wireless networking.  Another option is to upgrade
the size of the guard.  I recently installed a 9"  b zeus 3 in a navpod
and the recommendation from navpod was to upgrade the guard diameter from
1" to 1.25".   They cited some high percentage of increased wire capacity.   It
was relatively seamless but not particularly inexpensive.

It sounds like you have a wire which can be removed (old chartplotter
cable)?  Why not do that?

Another trick I pulled was powering the LED in the compass from the
"remote" (yellow) wire on the chartplotter.  When you turn the chartplotter
on the compass comes on.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 3:53 PM Nate Flesness via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to add a sirius satellite weather receiver to my existing
> Raymarine Es7 display, which is ram-mounted on top of the pedestal and has
> AIS fed from a down-below VHF receiver. (I managed to do that myself awhile
> back).
>
> So one side of the pedestal tube I filled very full with AIS cabling plus
> power for the Es7, and I just realized the other side is full too, with (an
> older) autopilot connection, plus binnacle light power. I can't fit another
> Raymarine custom-headed cable, needed to connect to the SR200 Sirius
> receiver, in either side.
>
> The options I can think of are:
>
> 1. Maybe combine the binnacle light and ES7 power cabling to make a little
> more room on one side. Might possibly be enough...
> 2. Invest more $$ and install a Seatalk network connector, which I
> THINK(??) means the AIS and Sirius signals could get to the Es7 display via
> a single cable? Can anyone confirm this? I have the question into Raymarine
> support, but waiting 
>
> I have no plans to add more stuff to a network, and am one of those
> retired semi-IT guys who is NOT at all excited about playing with boat
> electronics
>
> Any suggestions or advice?
> Many thanks
>
> Nate
>
> 1994 Tartan 31 "Raven"
> SIskiwit Bay
> Lake Superior
>
> 1980 C 30-1 "Sarah Jean"
> St. Croix River
> Hudson WI
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List too many wires for in-pedestal? Is that why people network?

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Do you have a pedestal guard? Lots more room for cabling there. When we 
installed ours on Firefly -C 27-III, we pre-wired for the future.

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> On Aug 27, 2019, at 3:53 PM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to add a sirius satellite weather receiver to my existing 
> Raymarine Es7 display, which is ram-mounted on top of the pedestal and has 
> AIS fed from a down-below VHF receiver. (I managed to do that myself awhile 
> back).
> 
> So one side of the pedestal tube I filled very full with AIS cabling plus 
> power for the Es7, and I just realized the other side is full too, with (an 
> older) autopilot connection, plus binnacle light power. I can't fit another 
> Raymarine custom-headed cable, needed to connect to the SR200 Sirius 
> receiver, in either side.
> 
> The options I can think of are:
> 
> 1. Maybe combine the binnacle light and ES7 power cabling to make a little 
> more room on one side. Might possibly be enough...
> 2. Invest more $$ and install a Seatalk network connector, which I THINK(??) 
> means the AIS and Sirius signals could get to the Es7 display via a single 
> cable? Can anyone confirm this? I have the question into Raymarine support, 
> but waiting 
> 
> I have no plans to add more stuff to a network, and am one of those retired 
> semi-IT guys who is NOT at all excited about playing with boat electronics
> 
> Any suggestions or advice?
> Many thanks
> 
> Nate
> 
> 1994 Tartan 31 "Raven"
> SIskiwit Bay
> Lake Superior
> 
> 1980 C 30-1 "Sarah Jean"
> St. Croix River
> Hudson WI
> 
> 
> 
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Stus-List too many wires for in-pedestal? Is that why people network?

[Nate Flesness via CnC-List]

I'm trying to add a sirius satellite weather receiver to my existing
Raymarine Es7 display, which is ram-mounted on top of the pedestal and has
AIS fed from a down-below VHF receiver. (I managed to do that myself awhile
back).

So one side of the pedestal tube I filled very full with AIS cabling plus
power for the Es7, and I just realized the other side is full too, with (an
older) autopilot connection, plus binnacle light power. I can't fit another
Raymarine custom-headed cable, needed to connect to the SR200 Sirius
receiver, in either side.

The options I can think of are:

1. Maybe combine the binnacle light and ES7 power cabling to make a little
more room on one side. Might possibly be enough...
2. Invest more $$ and install a Seatalk network connector, which I
THINK(??) means the AIS and Sirius signals could get to the Es7 display via
a single cable? Can anyone confirm this? I have the question into Raymarine
support, but waiting 

I have no plans to add more stuff to a network, and am one of those retired
semi-IT guys who is NOT at all excited about playing with boat
electronics

Any suggestions or advice?
Many thanks

Nate

1994 Tartan 31 "Raven"
SIskiwit Bay
Lake Superior

1980 C 30-1 "Sarah Jean"
St. Croix River
Hudson WI
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