OXF (was Re: cocoon and related projects based on cocoon ...)
Matthew Langham wrote: 2.) http://www.orbeon.com/oxf/ i found this pointer today in the struts discussion trail. I did not really investigate on this although it sounds quite interesting but again i thought this belongs strongly to cocoon, if it is feasible... Again something completely different. A solution built on Cocoon - but it is NOT Cocoon. In the same way we develop commercial products on top of Cocoon - but they are not part of the Cocoon project. Anything that is donated to the Cocoon project (such as our authentication components) increases the code base and that does (or may) become part of the project. It surely looks based on Cocoon as far as some architectural concepts are concerned. It does not look based on the Cocoon source code though. Or, at least, they don't say it is ;-). How does OXF compare with Apache Cocoon? OXF's XML processors, XML pipelines and XPL were born recently from the need in the industry for solid and flexible XML processing technologies. On the other hand, Cocoon was initially designed as a Web publishing framework and has been around for a much longer time. As a result, some features provided by Cocoon are still unmatched in OXF, which however provides a more advanced technological foundation and can be used in a wider range of XML-based applications including Web publishing, interactive Web applications, command line applications, Web services, etc. Yeah, nice marketing speak ;-). -- Ugo Cei - http://www.beblogging.com/blog/ - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OXF (was Re: cocoon and related projects based on cocoon ...)
Ugo Cei wrote: It surely looks based on Cocoon as far as some architectural concepts are concerned. It does not look based on the Cocoon source code though. Or, at least, they don't say it is ;-). True: OXF doesn't use a single line of code from Cocoon (as a matter of fact we haven't even looked at the Cocoon source code). If you care to try OXF, you will notice that we have worked hard to address lots of issues that Cocoon has. In particular our XML pipelines are very different from Cocoon's (we think that they are very cool, BTW ;-), and error handling is much more user-friendly. Whether you like our commercial approach or not, our white paper on XML pipelines should be of interest to Cocoon'ers, and obviously comes with no strings attached. In that document we describe our concept of XML pipelines and present XPL, an XML Pipeline Definition Language. We hope to release more information about XPL in the future: http://www.orbeon.com/oxf/whitepaper -Erik - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: cocoon and related projects based on cocoon ...
Hi,
to be honest I have no idea what you are talking about :-).
1.) Why are all such nice and nifty add ons developed all outside of cocoon
?
Exactly which components/add-ons do you mean?
2.) When i move to such an add on component, how can i enshure to keep up
with the releases of cocoon (taking advantage of the enhancements done by
the cocoon developers)?
Again - which add-ons?
3.) Why can't i find pointers to the mentioned add ons from within the the
cocoon pages ?
There is sooo many good software around the world and cocoon for me is one
of the finest. Why does not all this effort take place at the heart but is
cluttered around in several loosely coupled or even uncoupled add on
projects ???
Cocoon is not cluttered around. At least I don't think it is. The core
Cocoon project is here. This is the project that is run by the Apache
Cocoon community. Anything else that may be an add-on is
run/developed/maintained by the respective owner.
Matthew
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From: SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous [mailto:dabbous;saxess.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: cocoon and related projects based on cocoon ...
I asked this within another thread, but since it does not belong there, i
post it again under a new title:
I am a bit confused. I'm following the discussons in this mailing list for
about a week now and i found at least two other products/components
(whatever) mentioned in the various emails which claim to be an on top of
cocoon development.
Despite that all this stuff sounds very interesting, i for myself get more
and more unshure how to proceed with my investigations on cocoon. Some
questions rise in my mind:
1.) Why are all such nice and nifty add ons developed all outside of cocoon
?
2.) When i move to such an add on component, how can i enshure to keep up
with the releases of cocoon (taking advantage of the enhancements done by
the cocoon developers)?
3.) Why can't i find pointers to the mentioned add ons from within the the
cocoon pages ?
There is sooo many good software around the world and cocoon for me is one
of the finest. Why does not all this effort take place at the heart but is
cluttered around in several loosely coupled or even uncoupled add on
projects ???
regards, Hussayn
Dr. Hussayn Dabbous
SAXESS Software Design GmbH
Neuenhöfer Allee 125
50935 Köln
Telefon: +49-221-56011-0
Fax: +49-221-56011-20
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: cocoon and related projects based on cocoon ...
Matthew Langham wrote:
Hi,
to be honest I have no idea what you are talking about :-).
Sorry, i meant
1.) www.cocoondev.org
This is a great site but i expected this under cocoon!
2.) http://www.orbeon.com/oxf/
i found this pointer today in the struts discussion trail. I did not
really investigate on this although it sounds quite interesting
but again i thought this belongs strongly to cocoon, if it is feasible...
1.) Why are all such nice and nifty add ons developed all outside of cocoon
?
Exactly which components/add-ons do you mean?
see above ...
2.) When i move to such an add on component, how can i enshure to keep up
with the releases of cocoon (taking advantage of the enhancements done by
the cocoon developers)?
Again - which add-ons?
see above ...
3.) Why can't i find pointers to the mentioned add ons from within the the
cocoon pages ?
There is sooo many good software around the world and cocoon for me is one
of the finest. Why does not all this effort take place at the heart but is
cluttered around in several loosely coupled or even uncoupled add on
projects ???
Cocoon is not cluttered around. At least I don't think it is. The core
Cocoon project is here. This is the project that is run by the Apache
Cocoon community. Anything else that may be an add-on is
run/developed/maintained by the respective owner.
Sorry again. I did not mean cocoon is cluttered around! I even did not want to criticise anybody. i only mentioned there seems to be lots of work done around cocoon which from my point of view looks very interesting, but is simply not under the umbrella of cocoon itself. So i.e. if i want to go into such a component, i fear that i must leave the core cocoon... clearly something to be avoided! Instead i ask again, why don't they come under the cocoon umbrella and let all cocoon users participate without pain...
It's simply me, who is a bit confused, i didn't want to confuse you ;-) i would only like to understand, why these parallel projects exist... I mean if you look at tomcat, or the apache server, you will find add ons (like SSL), plugins (myriads) and so, but not parallel development...)
regards, hussayn
Matthew
--
Open Source Group Cocoon { Consulting, Training, Projects }
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Matthew Langham, SN AG, Klingenderstrasse 5, D-33100 Paderborn
Tel:+49-5251-1581-30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.s-und-n.de
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Cocoon book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735712352/needacake-20
Weblog:
http://radio.weblogs.com/0103021/
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From: SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous [mailto:dabbous;saxess.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: cocoon and related projects based on cocoon ...
I asked this within another thread, but since it does not belong there, i
post it again under a new title:
I am a bit confused. I'm following the discussons in this mailing list for
about a week now and i found at least two other products/components
(whatever) mentioned in the various emails which claim to be an on top of
cocoon development.
Despite that all this stuff sounds very interesting, i for myself get more
and more unshure how to proceed with my investigations on cocoon. Some
questions rise in my mind:
1.) Why are all such nice and nifty add ons developed all outside of cocoon
?
2.) When i move to such an add on component, how can i enshure to keep up
with the releases of cocoon (taking advantage of the enhancements done by
the cocoon developers)?
3.) Why can't i find pointers to the mentioned add ons from within the the
cocoon pages ?
There is sooo many good software around the world and cocoon for me is one
of the finest. Why does not all this effort take place at the heart but is
cluttered around in several loosely coupled or even uncoupled add on
projects ???
regards, Hussayn
Dr. Hussayn Dabbous
SAXESS Software Design GmbH
Neuenhöfer Allee 125
50935 Köln
Telefon: +49-221-56011-0
Fax: +49-221-56011-20
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: cocoon and related projects based on cocoon ...
1.) www.cocoondev.org
This is a great site but i expected this under cocoon!
And soon it may well be. Remember the Cocoon project is an _Apache_ project
and therefore runs on Apache hardware etc. etc. The cocoondev.org site is
completely different. It was started by Steven Noels from Outerthought as
somewhere to showcase Cocoon based solutions. One day it will hopefully all
be together - but at the moment they are completely different things.
2.) http://www.orbeon.com/oxf/
i found this pointer today in the struts discussion trail. I did not
really investigate on this although it sounds quite interesting
but again i thought this belongs strongly to cocoon, if it is
feasible...
Again something completely different. A solution built on Cocoon - but it is
NOT Cocoon. In the same way we develop commercial products on top of
Cocoon - but they are not part of the Cocoon project. Anything that is
donated to the Cocoon project (such as our authentication components)
increases the code base and that does (or may) become part of the project.
Sorry again. I did not mean cocoon is cluttered around! I even did not want
to criticise anybody. i only mentioned there seems to be lots of work done
around cocoon which from my point of view looks very interesting, but is
simply not under the umbrella of cocoon itself. So i.e. if i want to go into
such a component, i fear that i must leave the core cocoon... clearly
something to be avoided! Instead i ask again, why don't they come under the
cocoon umbrella and let all cocoon users participate without pain...
Because the objectives may be very different. Some of the developments are
commercial built on top of Cocoon. Some are open source (like CocoBlog)
built on top of Cocoon and some are infrastructures (like cocoondev). At the
moment (because of the status of the Cocoon project) it is not possible to
easily have everything in one place. This is something that is currently
being pushed by the Cocoon project for the near future (at least as far as
the open source solutions go).
HTH
Matthew
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Matthew Langham, SN AG, Klingenderstrasse 5, D-33100 Paderborn
Tel:+49-5251-1581-30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.s-und-n.de
-
Cocoon book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735712352/needacake-20
Weblog:
http://radio.weblogs.com/0103021/
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Sorry again. I did not mean cocoon is cluttered around! I even did not want
to criticise anybody. i only mentioned there seems to be lots of work done
around cocoon which from my point of view looks very interesting, but is
simply not under the umbrella of cocoon itself. So i.e. if i want to go into
such a component, i fear that i must leave the core cocoon... clearly
something to be avoided! Instead i ask again, why don't they come under the
cocoon umbrella and let all cocoon users participate without pain...
It's simply me, who is a bit confused, i didn't want to confuse you ;-) i
would only like to understand, why these parallel projects exist... I mean
if you look at tomcat, or the apache server, you will find add ons (like
SSL), plugins (myriads) and so, but not parallel development...)
regards, hussayn
Matthew
--
Open Source Group Cocoon { Consulting, Training, Projects }
=
Matthew Langham, SN AG, Klingenderstrasse 5, D-33100 Paderborn
Tel:+49-5251-1581-30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.s-und-n.de
-
Cocoon book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735712352/needacake-20
Weblog:
http://radio.weblogs.com/0103021/
=
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From: SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous [mailto:dabbous;saxess.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: cocoon and related projects based on cocoon ...
I asked this within another thread, but since it does not belong there, i
post it again under a new title:
I am a bit confused. I'm following the discussons in this mailing list for
about a week now and i found at least two other products/components
(whatever) mentioned in the various emails which claim to be an on top of
cocoon development.
Despite that all this stuff sounds very interesting, i for myself get more
and more unshure how to proceed with my investigations on cocoon. Some
questions rise in my mind:
1.) Why are all such nice and nifty add ons developed all outside of
cocoon
?
2.) When i move to such an add on component, how can i enshure to keep up
with the releases of cocoon (taking advantage of the enhancements done by
the cocoon developers)?
3.) Why can't i find pointers to the
