Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP5 Help
There's some complaints about this on the mailing list but it is not clear if
it was solved. I would try checking to see if you have the latest version.
The home page for this project seems to have a few dead links so I don't know
how active it is.
Like Alex said, cast the $seconds or do something like adding by zero or
multiplying by 1 to force the conversion into a numeric type.
Hopefully though the latest version addresses this. (It would be interesting
to try to figure out why PHP5 is casting just that part as a string, but sadly
I don't have time for that.)
Jon Gorman
Original message
>Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:42:31 -0400
>From: Nicole Engard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [CODE4LIB] PHP5 Help
>To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>
>I am missing something right in front of my eyes. I'm rusty on my
>PHP, I'm wondering if someone can help me with this error:
>
>Warning: gmmktime() expects parameter 3 to be long, string given in
>/public_html/magpierss-0.72/rss_utils.inc on line 35
>
>I went through the manual and didn't see anything wrong with the code below.
>
>###FROM MY PHP:
>
>$del_user = 'nengard'; # del.icio.us
>username
>
># Use magpie to get del.icio.us links via RSS
>$feed = fetch_rss('http://del.icio.us/rss/' . $del_user);
>
># Only make a post if there are any links today
>if (count($feed->items) > 0) {
>
>$content = "\n";
>
>foreach ($feed->items as $link) {
>
>$publishdate = parse_w3cdtf($link['dc']['date']);
>
>###CODE CUT HERE##
>
>##FROM magpierss-0.72/rss_utils.inc
>
>function parse_w3cdtf ( $date_str ) {
>
># regex to match wc3dtf
>$pat =
> "/(\d{4})-(\d{2})-(\d{2})T(\d{2}):(\d{2})(:(\d{2}))?(?:([-+])(\d{2}):?(\d{2})|(Z))?/";
>
>if ( preg_match( $pat, $date_str, $match ) ) {
>list( $year, $month, $day, $hours, $minutes, $seconds) =
>array( $match[1], $match[2], $match[3], $match[4],
>$match[5], $match[6]);
>
># LINE 35 BELOW HERE - calc epoch for current date assuming GMT
>$epoch = gmmktime( $hours, $minutes, $seconds, $month, $day, $year);
>
>$offset = 0;
>if ( $match[10] == 'Z' ) {
># zulu time, aka GMT
>}
>else {
>list( $tz_mod, $tz_hour, $tz_min ) =
>array( $match[8], $match[9], $match[10]);
>
># zero out the variables
>if ( ! $tz_hour ) { $tz_hour = 0; }
>if ( ! $tz_min ) { $tz_min = 0; }
>
>$offset_secs = (($tz_hour*60)+$tz_min)*60;
>
># is timezone ahead of GMT? then subtract offset
>#
>if ( $tz_mod == '+' ) {
>$offset_secs = $offset_secs * -1;
>}
>
>$offset = $offset_secs;
>}
>$epoch = $epoch + $offset;
>return $epoch;
>}
>else {
>return -1;
>}
>}
>
>Nicole C. Engard
>Open Source Evangelist, LibLime
>(888) Koha ILS (564-2457) ext. 714
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>AIM/Y!/Skype: nengard
>
>http://liblime.com
>http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
Catching up on some of Mark's posts I can see why some might want him off. Perhaps someone who's more emotionally attached to the issue of removal might just want to contact him and see if he knows he's on the list or if he wants to remain on? I realized I don't honestly care enough about the planet one way or the other. I'd be sad to see it go, but I wouldn't wail in misery. Jon Original message >Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:31:03 -0400 >From: Jonathan Rochkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions >To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > >No one other than me is managing it at present. Pretty much the only >'management' I do is adding blogs whenever someone asks me too. (I also >did just a bit of fine-tuning of the CSS for the html version). I think >it may be the planet software that decides what order to display >lastname and firstname, but feel free to email me ones that are >displaying oddly, and I'll see if I can fix them. I'm not going to get >into serious hacking of the planet software though, or replacing it with >other software (I _maybe_ could be convinced to upgrade it if there's an >upgrade available). (if anyone else wants to do any of that stuff, >raise your hand on the list, and we can probably get you access). > >An unanswered question is when or if the community ever expects me to >_remove_ blogs from the planet. It's not clear. I don't want to remove >them if people are going to see it as an abuse of power or something, as >some have indicated they would. (Most could probably care less either way). > >Other blogs people have suggested I remove from the code4lib aggregator, >as consisting of mainly nontopical content for code4lib, are Mark >Lindner and Meredith Farkas. I guess say so if you'd like to LEAVE >those on the aggregator, and if nobody says so, I'll leave them. If >someone does say so... then I have no idea. :) > >Jonathan > >Jodi Schneider wrote: >> I'm a big fan of the planet aggregator. Normally I make suggestions on >> #code4lib. However, Jonathan Rochkind asked me to bring them up onlist >> this time. (Who besides Jonathan is managing the planet at present?) >> >> (1) Bjorn Tipling suggested removing him, since he's going to focus on >> politics: >> "Some of the places where my blog is being tracked, such as code4lib and >> netlamers, might want to look at whether or not they want to continue to >> follow me." >> http://bjorn.tipling.com/2008/05/17/blog-pundits/ >> Can we remove his blog please? >> >> (2) I'd really like a changelog--which might further justify >> adding/dropping blogs without discussion. >> >> (3) Could we please label blogs consistently? For individuals, we have >> mostly lastname, firstname with a few firstname lastname. Either way >> works. But the mixture rankles (sad, I know!). >> >> Thanks! >> >> -Jodi >> >> Jodi Schneider >> Science Library Specialist >> Amherst College >> 413-542-2076 >> >> > >-- >Jonathan Rochkind >Digital Services Software Engineer >The Sheridan Libraries >Johns Hopkins University >410.516.8886 >rochkind (at) jhu.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
I'd guess I'd be fine removing Bjorn as he's changing the focus of his blog and he's suggested we actually remove him. I don't necessarily agree with removing either Meredith or Mark's blogs. Sure, those two might have more personal content, but there are certainly others on there that have done that as well. Better solution seems to be just truncating the posts. (Or offering a "full" and truncated feed). If there's a particular person who you don't like, then filter it out with Yahoo pipes or something similar. A change log might be useful as well if it's not too much of a hassle to maintain. What software does the planet run on? Some sort of drupal module? Jon Gorman Original message >Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:31:03 -0400 >From: Jonathan Rochkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions >To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > >No one other than me is managing it at present. Pretty much the only >'management' I do is adding blogs whenever someone asks me too. (I also >did just a bit of fine-tuning of the CSS for the html version). I think >it may be the planet software that decides what order to display >lastname and firstname, but feel free to email me ones that are >displaying oddly, and I'll see if I can fix them. I'm not going to get >into serious hacking of the planet software though, or replacing it with >other software (I _maybe_ could be convinced to upgrade it if there's an >upgrade available). (if anyone else wants to do any of that stuff, >raise your hand on the list, and we can probably get you access). > >An unanswered question is when or if the community ever expects me to >_remove_ blogs from the planet. It's not clear. I don't want to remove >them if people are going to see it as an abuse of power or something, as >some have indicated they would. (Most could probably care less either way). > >Other blogs people have suggested I remove from the code4lib aggregator, >as consisting of mainly nontopical content for code4lib, are Mark >Lindner and Meredith Farkas. I guess say so if you'd like to LEAVE >those on the aggregator, and if nobody says so, I'll leave them. If >someone does say so... then I have no idea. :) > >Jonathan > >Jodi Schneider wrote: >> I'm a big fan of the planet aggregator. Normally I make suggestions on >> #code4lib. However, Jonathan Rochkind asked me to bring them up onlist >> this time. (Who besides Jonathan is managing the planet at present?) >> >> (1) Bjorn Tipling suggested removing him, since he's going to focus on >> politics: >> "Some of the places where my blog is being tracked, such as code4lib and >> netlamers, might want to look at whether or not they want to continue to >> follow me." >> http://bjorn.tipling.com/2008/05/17/blog-pundits/ >> Can we remove his blog please? >> >> (2) I'd really like a changelog--which might further justify >> adding/dropping blogs without discussion. >> >> (3) Could we please label blogs consistently? For individuals, we have >> mostly lastname, firstname with a few firstname lastname. Either way >> works. But the mixture rankles (sad, I know!). >> >> Thanks! >> >> -Jodi >> >> Jodi Schneider >> Science Library Specialist >> Amherst College >> 413-542-2076 >> >> > >-- >Jonathan Rochkind >Digital Services Software Engineer >The Sheridan Libraries >Johns Hopkins University >410.516.8886 >rochkind (at) jhu.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] free movie cover images?
Original message
>Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 17:02:06 -0500
>From: Peter Keane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] free movie cover images?
>To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>
>On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 05:29:38PM -0400, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
>> But I would agree that it is our duty as libraries to be pushing the
>> boundaries of these grey areas in a world where much of copyright _is_
>> currently a gray area, not automatically taking the most expansive
>> perspective with regard to copyright holders rights, out of fear. Not
>> just "society", but I think we have a special duty as libraries whose
>> mission involves expanding access to information. [That is, all public
>> and most academic libraries; a private or corprate library may not share
>> this mission and this duty.].
>>
>
>I would say it's something of a moral obligation (in the academic/public
>side) to go ahead and use the thumbnails ('cause it's the right
>thing to do AND models good information practices), in the face of
>fear/uncertainty/doubt.
>
I've argued similar, but I think thumbnails is low ambition. If we're going to
do this, I don't want to just grab other people few scattered images and either
squirrel them away.
I want to see us digitizing our own stuff, using the full-text to index
ourselves and generating images of covers, title pages, indexes for our
workflow. Then storing the rest as appropriate. (I'll reserve judgement on
how free we should share it). Certainly we should be analysing the heck out of
the full text to try to extract every nugget of data and also looking for
relation between books. (Heck with just saying how they are related, what if
we also tried to find similar writing styles etc). All of this is derivable
from the full text.
>I wonder what the effect of this very thread will be on folks wondering
>it they should or shouldn't use thumbnails? Honestly, folks, this is our
>profession. (Where's Larry Lessig when you need him... ;-).
Most likely, absolute none. Sorry to be depressing, but I don't know how many
people on this list really disagree with you but sadly many of us lack means
and resources to do this. However, I remain somewhat optimistic we might soon
start getting some images through better and less entangled sources than Amazon
from the efforts of the OCA.
It's late. Perhaps I'll be nostalgistic and reread a favorite Sandman story
about enough cats dreaming will allow them to rule the world. Think the same
happens with visionaries?
Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] free movie cover images?
>Actually, this is one of a number of links out there (esp. regarding the >Arriba Soft case) suggesting that fair use, regarding thumbnail images, >is quite often the applicable standard, the key (often) being that there >is no "Effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the >copyrighted work". > I'm not trying to argue against the heart of your argument, just perhaps suggesting that we should be careful about terminology. Fair use of something is not the same as saying the source is not copyrightable. It's an important distinction to keep. It is, after all, how licenses are enforced. It's fair use for me to cite a passage. I may even be able to reproduce the whole work under the conditions of a license. This does not immediately propagate downstream to those who might copy my work. >It's just depressing to me that the society, in the shadow of DCMA, RIAA >action, etc. has essentially cowered in the face of these copyright >issues, and I would go so far as to say the we librarians often abrogate >our duty. I mean it is our job to *create* access to information >not *prevent* it. Right? Geez, nothing like the free flow of information >getting privatized. My aim is just to promote the idea of assuming that >"information wants to be free" and proceed under that assumption unless >there is clear and obvious proof otherwise. > I agree that many have let fear blind themselves or make themselves hesitate from providing certain services. But at the same time there still is a lot that is undefined or tenuous. It doesn't help to cite material that talks about creating thumbnails as fair use and then take another step and claim thumbnails are not copyrightable. If you're going to make that next step, it would be nice to see material supporting it. I agree we have a responsibility to our users and I do feel that universities and other academic organizations should be fighting even on legal fronts to protect reasonable use (such as using thumbnails and automatically derived metadata). However, as reasonable individuals we also do have to evaluate the best ways to do this and likelihood of legal ramifications and their costs. If you believe in this there are plenty of ways as well as possible civil disobedience. You can lobby congress and the copyright office to establish laws and policies to protect this use. Certainly, risking an institution's financial and legal status this day and age should be carefully considered. >Looked at another way: a thumbnail is just a bit of "visual" metadata, >and you cannot copyright metadata. At what point does something become a thumbnail? 50%? 75%? 100% but with poor resolution? If it's cropped? Missing colors? I would also point out there are many who include the work itself as metadata, in which case it most certainly falls under copyright. Certain visualizations may also fall into a gray area, regardless if the source is text or an image. The cases seem to to me to point to two important poitns. First, Google is not responsible when it creates fair use thumbnails of someone else who has already infringed. The infringement only applies to the original person who copied the image. I'm not sure how this compares to other case law at this point. I'm also not sure how it would deal with a service that refused to take down the derived thumbnail if the original image is illegal or violating copyright. Second, if someone used Google's service to profit on their own end (took the images and then sold them) the judge might regard that as not fair use. But again, I'm not a lawyer. So I'm going to stop thinking about this particular issue right now. Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] free movie cover images?
>Another link about thumbnail images not being copyright-able: > >http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/947 > I don't think this particular case is saying thumbnail images are not copyrightable, but rather that the creation of them is fair use. I haven't read it closely, but if you look at the case and some of the description it's talking about the thumbnail images created by Google itself to represent another source. The key words here are "highly transformative". Google is transforming an existing work and creating a derived work for a non-competitive purpose (as the judge ruled). Much in the similar way traditionally creating indexes and the like are protected by copyright. Just copying another source's thumbnail does not seem to be quite the same. After all, you are then not doing anything to the thumbnail, just copying it. How do you what you are then printing/publishing counts as transformative work or that the "new work" derived from the existing one is not in itself copyrighted to the person who originally transformed it? For example, were I to compose a play and then you made a series of paintings inspired by it, it's different enough I would probably not be infringing on copyright. That doesn't mean my paintings are now not under copyright. Of course, I'm not a lawyer, but it does seem a leap to make off of what I have read in these documents. Jon Gorman Original message >Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:23:49 -0500 >From: Peter Keane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] free movie cover images? >To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > >Hi All- > >Perhaps for some reason these precedents do not apply here (although I >doubt it) -- I am no lawyer. But I DO think that it is our responsibilty >as librarians and educators to *not* shy away from cases where copyright >issues are not clear and obvious. It is our job to provide the highest >possible service to our users, not to be timid in the face of false >and/or faulty claims about copyright infingement. > >--peter keane > >On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 03:00:08PM -0500, Charles Ledvina wrote: >> I know my suggestion is probably filled with copyright infringements but >> you could use your Amazon API to get links to all of their images. Your >> url would look something like this: >> >> http://webservices.amazon.com/onca/xml?Service=AWSECommerceService&SubscriptionId=[your_api_code]&Operation=ItemSearch&SearchIndex=Blended&Keywords=[upc_code]ResponseGroup=Images >> >> Using the 024 will usually generate a unique result and then you can >> choose from a variety of image sizes. I have a kind of API of an API >> service running at chopac.org as an example. Simply enter a UPC or ISBN >> and you get back an xml file with cover link and product link. Small, >> medium (default) and large images are available by adding s, m or l at >> the end of the UPC. >> >> Examples: >> >> Simspons Movie-- http://chopac.org/cgi-bin/tools/upc2image.pl?024543484271 >> Simpsons Movie (small image)-- >> http://chopac.org/cgi-bin/tools/upc2image.pl?024543484271s >> >> >> The product link is supplied to somewhat fulfill Amazon's requirements >> to link to their items. >> >> Later, >> Charles Ledvina >> infosoup.org >> chopac.org >> >> >> >> >> Ken Irwin wrote: >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> With some limitations, the Google Books API allows folks to access book >>> covers for free. (How's that working out? Anyone having luck with it?) >>> -- what about movie/DVD/VHS covers? Are there any free sources for those >>> images? >>> >>> I'd like to work up a virtual-browsing interface for our library's >>> pretty small collection of feature films, and I'd love to include >>> covers. Any ideas on how I might get them? Anyone else doing this? >>> >>> Thanks >>> Ken >>> >>> -- >>> Ken Irwin >>> Reference Librarian >>> Thomas Library, Wittenberg University
Re: [CODE4LIB] coverage of google book viewability API
> >The Google API returns sufficient information to NOT point people to >books with no preview--it tells if full view, partial view, or no view >is provided for a given book. I agree that our software that uses this >API ought to either suppress no-preview books entirely, or present them >in a particular way that makes it clear that they're no preview (if >there's any point to this at all). What I've done in my very rough demo is to say something like "Full text available", "Parts of text available" and "Additional information available". (Not exactly, but it's not worth the time to look it up). The general consensus around here seems to be even the minimal records tend to have useful information, more so than if Google was just repeating the catalog entry. The links don't even show up at all if there is no google information. Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] Exporting RSS Source from a Blog
Have a link to your server? Hopefully your system has a pretty flexible feed system and lets you specify date ranges or the like. Then just do something like wget url_to_rss. That will create the rss file. Similarly, lynx -dump will do the same. (You'll want to be careful about overwriting files). The other thing you may have to do is crawl/filter your website to get the links to each post, then request the rss2 version of that. I don't have any actual samples now, but I might be able to give you some after work. (I can create a hypothetical scenario though...let's say there's a well know blog system that always will give you an rss version of a document by merely adding feed to the end of the url. It also contains links on the front page to monthly archives. In a Unixish environment I might do something like lynx -dump | grep http | sed -e 's/^[^h]*h/h/' -e 's/ *$/\/feed/' > temp.txt (edit temp to include just the monthly archives) then cat temp.txt | xargs wget -r -l 1 Of course, without knowing how much you can actually get out of your system as rss it's a gamble. (Sorry, this all isn't probably very helpful, but if you give your actual url I might be able to give something more meaningful tonight.) Jon Gorman Original message >Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 11:23:29 -0400 >From: "The Ford Library at Fuqua" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Exporting RSS Source from a Blog >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu > > Hi John, > > Thanks for the quick response. I tried accessing the > feed with lynx to no avail. Its been quite awhile > since I worked w/ lynx. I'll take a quick look at > wget as well and see if its deployed here and > usable. > > Can you spare a few moments to send an example of > your "quick and dirty" method? > > Feel free to do this on- or off-list if you have the > time. > Thanks again! > -- > Carlton Brown > Associate Director & IT Services Manager > Ford Library - Fuqua School of Business > Duke University > > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Jonathan Gorman > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The quick and dirty way I've done something > similar in the past is to download individual rss > pages by running something like wget. Other > command-line browsers/spiders could do something > similar. > > After all, the mechanisms for pulling rss feeds > are really at the base the same mechanisms for > pulling web pages of any type. > > Jon Gorman > Original message > >Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 10:01:48 -0400 > >From: The Ford Library at Fuqua > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: [CODE4LIB] Exporting RSS Source from a > Blog > >To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > > > > Hello All, > > > >We're attempting to migrate our java-based > Blojsom blog to the more > >user-friendly WordPress software. WordPress has > built import wizards for > >many popular blog platforms; but there isn't one > for Blojsom which is > >different from *bloxsom* which does have an > import wizard. Blojsom does have > >an export blog plugin; but the data is not in RSS > 2.0 and would require more > >Perl than I know to convert. > > > >WP can import data in RSS 2.0, and I can grab the > RSS source of some posts > >by simply viewing/copying the source in my > browser. But I need to migrate > >more than the limited number of posts that can be > extracted by viewing the > >RSS source in the browser. > > > >Does anyone know of a tool or hack to extract - > export the entire contents, > >or a large fixed number of posts from a blog as > RSS 2.0? Google Reader and > >some others will grab a large number of posts; > but I can't view the RSS > >source. > > > >I've done considerable googling already and the > few scripts/tools I've > >located call for PHP or Ruby -- neither of which > are deployed in our > >environment. > > > >Thanks in advance for any tips or pointers. > > > >-- > >Carlton Brown > >Associate Director & IT Services Manager > >Ford Library - Fuqua School of Business > >Duke University
Re: [CODE4LIB] Exporting RSS Source from a Blog
The quick and dirty way I've done something similar in the past is to download individual rss pages by running something like wget. Other command-line browsers/spiders could do something similar. After all, the mechanisms for pulling rss feeds are really at the base the same mechanisms for pulling web pages of any type. Jon Gorman Original message >Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 10:01:48 -0400 >From: The Ford Library at Fuqua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [CODE4LIB] Exporting RSS Source from a Blog >To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > > Hello All, > >We're attempting to migrate our java-based Blojsom blog to the more >user-friendly WordPress software. WordPress has built import wizards for >many popular blog platforms; but there isn't one for Blojsom which is >different from *bloxsom* which does have an import wizard. Blojsom does have >an export blog plugin; but the data is not in RSS 2.0 and would require more >Perl than I know to convert. > >WP can import data in RSS 2.0, and I can grab the RSS source of some posts >by simply viewing/copying the source in my browser. But I need to migrate >more than the limited number of posts that can be extracted by viewing the >RSS source in the browser. > >Does anyone know of a tool or hack to extract - export the entire contents, >or a large fixed number of posts from a blog as RSS 2.0? Google Reader and >some others will grab a large number of posts; but I can't view the RSS >source. > >I've done considerable googling already and the few scripts/tools I've >located call for PHP or Ruby -- neither of which are deployed in our >environment. > >Thanks in advance for any tips or pointers. > >-- >Carlton Brown >Associate Director & IT Services Manager >Ford Library - Fuqua School of Business >Duke University
Re: [CODE4LIB] Announcement: Open Source In Libraries Website
I don't suppose we could see a post on some of the new FUD, could we? *nudge, nudge*. I hear somethings from my current position, but I haven't really heard anything new or stronger in the past few years. If you've heard some more I'd be curious what it is. (In no small part so I'm somewhat prepared for it if similar rhetoric is used to justify unwise decisions). Jon Gorman Original message >Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:20:44 -0400 >From: "K.G. Schneider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Announcement: Open Source In Libraries Website >To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > >Keep in mind that anti-OSS FUD has reached new levels, now that vendors >see that it is gaining traction. So OSS has to be presented >strategically and in context of the dumb statements I hear, which >include all the stereotypes and b.s. I discussed in my 2007 c4l keynote >but now go beyond it. > >K.G. Schneider
Re: [CODE4LIB] poll of javascript libraries
Cool. Thanks for doing this. Jon Original message >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:58:49 -0400 >From: Keith Jenkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] poll of javascript libraries >To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > >As of right now, the results of the informal poll of Javascript >libraries stands as follows: > >jQuery = 23 votes >Prototype = 17 votes >Scriptaculous = 10 votes >YUI = 9 votes >ExtJS = 5 votes >Dojo = 2 votes >MooTools = 2 votes >MochiKit = 1 votes >LowPro = 0 votes > >Note that these poll results are completely unscientific and >necessarily incomplete (superdelegates have not been counted yet...), >but hopefully not entirely uninformative. > >If you still want to add your input, the poll is here: > http://doodle.ch/sr5z4vusiwi4yssi > >Maybe someone wants to write an article for the >code4lib journal, or present at next year's conference about their >favorite javascript library... > >Cheers, >Keith
Re: [CODE4LIB] Free covers from Google
Original message >Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:13:58 -0400 >From: Tim Spalding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Free covers from Google >To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > >> limits. I don't think it's a strict hits-per-day, I think it's heuristic >> software meant to stop exactly what we'd be trying to do, server-side >> machine-based access. > >Aren't we still talking about covers? I see *no* reason to go >server-side on that. Browser-side gets you what you want—covers from >Google—without the risk they'll shut you down over overuse. I could see one reason to do cover images server-side. Say a library has a "new titles" list. These books (and hence the images) are going to be the same for quite a while. It might make sense to try to optimize it by downloading said images once and caching it on a local server. Otherwise every time someone hits the new titles list they'll have to wait for Google to respond. Not sure how much of an advantage it really would be to host it server side. Jon Gorman
[CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2008: Haunted Tour Gave Up the Ghost
Hi all, The mob has most empathetically not spoken out about the tours or registered for them. As such, it's been canceled. If you're one of the few, few folks who signed up, sorry. I'm sure you'll find some fun people to hang out with at the conference. I thought I would let people know. Jon Gorman
[CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2008: Haunted Tours, Breakout sessions, Signups for dinners, and reminders
Hi all, I thought I would send out another update on some of the social activities. Hopefully most people got the email recently about a Haunted Tour. If you didn't, and are interested I've included the text at the bottom of this email. We have only had a trickle of signups for the tour so far and if we don't get more conference services may end up cancelling it. So try to sign up in the next few days if you're interested. Some may remember earlier I was talking about the Shanghai Tunnel Tour (http://cgsstore.tripod.com/id18.html/index.html) and that this isn't quite the same one. There was a miscommunication somewhere along the process and we ended up with this tour. If anyone feels like they would actually go on that one but not the Haunted Tour let me know. If you prefer eating and drinking to walking though, don't feel obliged to sign up ;). Meanwhile, I'll be compiling a list of dinner places that have been posted at various spots and we'll try to start setting up ways for individuals and groups to let people know where they are planning on eating dinner. (It's optional, but it could help us from flooding a place or at least not be surprised when it's full). We'll hopefully have those up soon. I've been asked to remind people about the breakout sessions. For those who haven't attended previous years, breakout sessions are a pretty loose block of time where a group may gather for a more involved presentation, a group discussion, or create some piece of software. Want to take on Casey Durfee and do a whole ILS in 250 lines or less? Want to talk about Library 3.2? See who can gather the most MARC records in the shortest amount of time? Discuss the impact of archiving of valuable digital historical materials such as Breakout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakout)? Suggest them on the breakout signup sheet at http://code4lib.org/conference/2008/breakout. As a reminder, we've got some interesting lists for social activities created by volunteers: Things to do, places to go http://groups.google.com/group/code4libcon/web/portland-in-late-february Some information gathered about size of certain places http://groups.google.com/group/code4libcon/web/possible-code4lib-dinner-locations A map of interesting spots http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=107913207927802716313.0004447d18ac57a8c07d8&z=12&om=0 Till next time, Jon Gorman == About Haunted Tour = Interested in seeing a different side of Portland! Let off some steam after a long day at the conference by going on a spooky walking tour! Recognized by USA Today, The Los Angeles Times, the Wall Street Journal, and Fox TV as the "Best City Tour". Wednesday February 27 at 6:30pm. For a complete description, visit the website at http://www.portlandwalkingtours.com/tours/bizarre.htm There are only 25 spots available, cost is $20 per person. Please sign up using our registration system, payment will only be accepted by Visa, MasterCard or Discover. https://secure.oregonstate.edu/ocs/register.php?event=290
[CODE4LIB] Social Activities for Code4Lib 2008
Hi all, I thought I'd give a brief update on how social activities are going for Code4Lib 2008. I'm posting to the general list because it doesn't seem everyone's on the code4libcon list. (Of course, I believe that list is primarily for volunteers and planning, so that's not surprising). Right now Jeremy Frumkin and I are working with OSU' s Conference Services to try to set up a social activity and some signups. The signups will be for at least the activity that we've planned and possibly to organize trips to restaurants for dinner. The activity that we're going to try to organize is the Shanghai Tunnel tours: http://www.shanghaitunnels.info/. They're pretty flexible and were pretty eager to work with us. We're still trying to see if we can't get some other activities going, but with the limited funds and time we have at this point we can't promise much. There's also a happy hour at the hotel that we're working on making a social event. We'll update on that as we get more information. I'd strongly encourage anyone who has a social event or activity they want to do to forge ahead and start organizing it. I'm willing to help, so send me an email. Some people have already taken the initiative and started themselves, as evidenced by the recent talk on code4libcon about a PGP signing party. To help make your planning go smoother, several volunteers have put a lot of work into a couple of pages. I'm afraid of listing them here in case I miss someone and my list of . I'll try to do so later when I have a bit more time. A huge thanks for those who did contribute. A page of events, restaurants, and places to visit. http://groups.google.com/group/code4libcon/web/portland-in-late-february Some volunteers were working on seeing if it would be possible to try to do a dinner. At this point it doesn't look too likely, but we can hopefully use this information to organize signups for those who might want to go with a group of new people to a particular restaurant. http://groups.google.com/group/code4libcon/web/possible-code4lib-dinner-locations Michael Giarlo started a google map to keep track of some places he was interested in and he and a few other volunteers are busy adding even more information. (Again, sorry, don't know all the volunteers). http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=107913207927802716313.0004447d18ac57a8c07d8&z=12&om=0 Jon Gorman Feel free to email my gmail account as well, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] perl questions
Don't know. I'm on both lists, as I imagine most people are. I didn't pay much attention to the various threads to see which list they were on ;). The perl4lib list doesn't get much traffic, that's for sure. Jon Gorman Original message >Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:15:04 -0600 >From: "Doran, Michael D" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [CODE4LIB] perl questions >To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu > >> Subject: [CODE4LIB] perl question >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:54 PM > >> Subject: [CODE4LIB] perl6 >> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 7:01 AM > >There *is* still a perl4lib list and these would have been relevant postings >[1]. Do the code connoisseurs on *this* list now consider perl4lib déclassé >or redundant for perl questions and discussions? I'm not trying to dictate >where people post -- I'm just curious. > >Always the last one to know... >-- Michael > >[1] The perl4lib page >http://perl4lib.perl.org/ > ># Michael Doran, Systems Librarian ># University of Texas at Arlington ># 817-272-5326 office ># 817-688-1926 mobile ># [EMAIL PROTECTED] ># http://rocky.uta.edu/doran/
Re: [CODE4LIB] perl question
This may sound like a stupid question, so the issue is that the files aren't be
generated at all? Or are the files actually be generated, but something is
wrong with your apache configuration so that you can't access the webpage?
That's the first thing that pops into my head. I haven't looked at the script
too closely though. I'd step through it step by step and see what files are
getting created/destroyed.
Also, use
$!/usr/bin/perl -w
Jon
Original message
>Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:53:56 -0500
>From: "Iglesias, Edward G. (Library)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [CODE4LIB] perl question
>To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu
>
>Okay, I should be able to solve this on my own but I can't. I've had
>to move to a new web server and can't get an old script to work. All it
>does is convert a fund activity report to a web page. It worked fine on
>the old server. I updated the directory paths and checked permissions.
>All are fine. What's more I don't get an error. It just works and
>returns nothing. Any help would be appreciated.
>
>EI
>
>
>
>#!/usr/bin/perl
>## usage: cat inputfile | abiglobal.pl
>
>
>
>$i=0;
>while ($_ = ) {
>
>if(/(FUND ACTIVITY REPORT)/ ) {
>
>$input=$_;
>chop($input);
>$fundcode=substr($input,0,5);
>$fundcode=~ s/ //g;
>$input=~ tr/\"//;
>$input=~ tr/\'//;
># $input=~ tr/,/\t/;
>$input=~s/REPORT,/REPORT /g;
>$input=~s/ / /g;
>@in=split(/ /,$input);
>
># @fund=$in[0];
>
>if($i=="0"){
>$final=$in[3].".html";
>open (OUT,">>body.txt") || die "I am not able to write to file";
>open (HEAD,">>head.txt") || die "not able to open temp header";
>print HEAD "Fund Activity
>ReportFund Activity
>Reports: $in[3]href='#$fundcode'>$fundcode \n";
>$i=99;
>}
>print HEAD "$fundcode \n";
>print OUT "Fund: $in[0]
>FundInfo: $in[1] $in[2]\n";
>
>}
>else {
>print OUT "$_\n";
>}
>
>
>} end while stdin
>print HEAD "\n"; print OUT "\n";
>close OUT; close HEAD;
>
>#$outfile=~tr/ /_/;
>#$outfile=~tr/,/_/;
>print "$outfile\n";
>system "cat head.txt body.txt > /data/www/htdocs/fundlist/$final";
>system "rm head.txt";
>system "rm body.txt";
>
>opendir(DIR, "/public_html");
>open (OUT,"> /data/www/htdocs/fundlist/index.html") || die "I am
>not able to write to file"; print OUT ("Fund List
>Directory\n");
>print OUT ("Directory Listing\n");
>
>while($file = readdir(DIR) ) {
>
>print OUT ("$file\n");
>
>}
>print OUT ("\n");
>closedir(DIR);
>close (OUT);
>
>
>Edward Iglesias
>Systems Librarian
>Central Connecticut State University
>860.832.2082
Re: [CODE4LIB] CODE4LIB Web archive??
Quick google search turns up this one, haven't used it though ;) http://serials.infomotions.com/code4lib/ Also, I think this is the official page and it has a couple of links http://dewey.library.nd.edu/mailing-lists/code4lib/ Jon Original message >Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:31:35 -0600 >From: "Hahn, Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [CODE4LIB] CODE4LIB Web archive?? >To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu > >Is there a Web-accessible archive of CODE4LIB messages? If so, what's >the URL? Thanks! > >Harvey > >-- >=== >Harvey E. Hahn, Manager, Technical Services Department >Arlington Heights (Illinois) Memorial Library >847/506-2644 - FX: 847/506-2650 - Email: hhahn(at)ahml(dot)info >OML & Scripts web pages: http://www.ahml.info/oml/ >Personal web pages: http://users.anet.com/~packrat
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Software Manifesto
Original message >Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:16:05 -0500 >From: Tim McGeary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Software Manifesto >To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu > >I think this depends entirely on what type of developer we are talking >about. Let's say it is a large ILS vendor who promises that their >software will do all things for all types of library. When a promised >feature or a discovered bug that only applies to a small subset of their >customer base (let's say academic or public or government) is found, the >reason that is does not benefit a large enough community to put the >expense is simply bogus. > At some point there simply isn't enough time/money etc. I think the flaw here isn't in priorities, but in the vendor being too broad in the first place. The drive of my point is more is that it's bothersome when a developer honestly decides that they cannot do the feature with their given resources. Then a customer pulls some strings and the manager tells them they have to get it done anyhow. Do this consistently and you start seeing things like training, support, and internal organization slip as you have developers waiting for the "next sign from above". It's too dangerous to try to stick to schedules because of the likelihood of disruptions. I've had to deal with similar situations from several sides of the issue and it can be extremely frustrating. I'm not advocating that the number of people always be the sole basis of adding a feature of fixing a bug. I'd advocate a more complicated algorithm, similar to ones I've seen advocated by most software design books. This would count a couple of factors * Number of people affected * Severity of problem * resources required to solve problem * risk of not solving problem I've seen some differentiate this from severity, usually taking a more business like approach. So, maybe there's issues with screen readers. This affects a very small group of users. However, the impact on those users is quite severe. On top of that, it's likely an indicator of bad design since other tools. The risk of not solving the problem is also quite high from a legal standpoint. Compare this with some feature request that might really only apply to a small group, but has a workaround, even if uncomfortable. The severity is low, since they have an existing workaround. They're the only ones who want the feature. The cost of fixing it might be high, since it requires some redesign. >The end result is that type of library essentially sitting on a product >for years because there is no commitment to improve their service in >their future. This is happening frequently with "new" products that are >introduced (at least in my ILS community) which, while are sold as >usable to all types of libraries, are clearly designed for one specific >or their largest base in mind only. > This is a huge issue. The library vendors are trying to be too many things to too many people. That's a deeper issue than customer responsibilities and a failing of the vendor. I just sent Roy some suggestions of vendor responsibilities, and that would have been a good one to add. (As well as the vendor has a responsibility to be open on decisions on these types of requests and future software development plans). There's an excellent chapter on this exact phenomenon in Alan Cooper's "The Inmates are Running The Asylum". >A smaller development company or cooperative team is a bit different. >Hopefully they have communicated their product specifically for what it >does, and communicated their organizational size, strength, and focus so >that the consumer understands that going in. Large library software >corporations should really be doing the same, but that doesn't happen. Yeah, I think we're talking about the same thing here. The issue is with the communication process. It's the responsibility of the vendor to be open and clear in it's communication process. The customer should respect this. The clear communication should hopefully give the customer an idea too of what measures they have to take. Devote time to a workaround, try to revise their case for the fix, or simply accept it. Right now we're seeing the large library vendors having a host of features, including not doing things a long-term look at their software. This is leading to software created largely by political maneuvering and consensus. That's not the quite the same as evaluating needed features and bugs. Tim, the response I'm sending to the list is a bit different from the one I sent to you earlier. Some minor improvements and hopefully clarified a bit more, but the general thrust is the same. Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Software Manifesto
some ideas for vendor's responsibilities: 1) Care for the software as a whole. This means sometimes not giving what your customers what in the short term to make a better product in the long term. 2) Care about the end user, despite whoever your customers are. Frequently they're not the same. 3) Make it easy for customers to request feature and report bugs. Work with them to do so, since it's appears extremely difficult for people to gauge what information is needed. I suspect it has something to do with the non-physicality of software and poor mental models of software. For some reason, people who would say "Well, the engine makes a put-put sound whenever I accelerate, especially on hills." have difficulty saying "Every time I try to send an email to these sites, I get this error message". They just say things like "the email is broken" or "your website links aren't working". They seem to have a difficult time just giving details about what isn't working. Quick example, in an in-house web-application there's a "report issues" link. It takes you to a form that also lets you know that there's some diagnostic information being included about the current state of the application to help the developers. Frequently we can learn more from the diagnostic information than what the users supply. 4) Offer real information, not just marketing bull. Can I call you up and ask questions about how many developers you have? Projects they're working on? Timetables and goals? This is more a pipe dream than anything, I've never seen any vendor offer this amount of information. I can stand and watch my mechanic tinker, but I can't do the same with my software. 5) Keep your staff well-trained, review their work, and don't let things rot. Even if it means charging more money, because otherwise your company will become mediocre and depend on the inertia of existing customers more than expansion. Well, that's enough for now, I got other work to do ;). Jon Gorman Original message >Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:33:33 -0800 >From: Roy Tennant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Software Manifesto >To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu > >On 11/6/07 10:27 AM, "Jonathan Gorman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> How about an equivalent list from the vendor/software developer's >> perspective? >> I think that would help balance the picture, but perhaps that's already in >> your plans ;). > >Funny you should ask...I had originally intended to do this, but then I was >wondering if it start to be redundant -- that is, would a number of points >simply be restated from the vendor's viewpoint? But if there are unique >points to make from that perspective it would be worthwhile to include them. >This is an area where I consider myself even more ignorant than usual, so if >those of you who work on that side of the fence would like to chime in with >relevant manifesto points from the perspective of developers and vendors, >I'm all ears. Thanks, >Roy
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Software Manifesto
Hmmm, I'm tempted to add something to responsibilities along the lines of "Seek to understand the priorities of the software developers". Similar to "requesting features responsibly". I can see an important difference. Sometimes it's important to let people know of a desired feature, even if in the end the vendor/developers decide resources can't be dedicated to fixing that bug or adding that feature. Often it's difficult for "customers" to know the relative difficult of adding a feature or doing a bug fix. We don't want them not to request. When they're requesting features for others, they do have a responsibility to document those desires (usability testing, interviews, etc). However, sometimes fixing a bug or adding a particular feature will only have a small benefit to a small community, be simply too expensive given it's priority, or may be in a part of the system that requires a more radical rewrite. When these conclusions are reached it's helpful for the customer not to try to do a "run-around" or pull strings to get that feature added anyhow. Say, by calling their buddy the CEO and convincing him the developers are just avoiding work unnecessarily. How about an equivalent list from the vendor/software developer's perspective? I think that would help balance the picture, but perhaps that's already in your plans ;). Jon Gorman Original message >Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:07:45 -0800 >From: Roy Tennant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [CODE4LIB] Library Software Manifesto >To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu > >I have a presentation coming up and I'm considering doing what I'm calling a >"Library Software Manifesto". Some of the following may not be completely >understandable on the face of it, and I would be explaining the meaning >during the presentation, but this is what I have so far and I'd be >interested in other ideas this group has or comments on this. Thanks, >Roy > >Consumer Rights > >- I have a right to use what I buy >- I have a right to the API if I've bought the product >- I have a right to accurate, complete documentation >- I have a right to my data >- I have a right to not have simple things needlessly complicated > >Consumer Responsibilities > >- I have a responsibility to communicate my needs clearly and specifically >- I have a responsibility to report reproducible bugs in a way as to >facilitate reproducing it >- I have a responsibility to report irreproducible bugs with as much detail >as I can provide >- I have a responsibility to request new features responsibly >- I have a responsibility to view any adjustments to default settings >critically
Re: [CODE4LIB] Cannot use windows search text inside .java .jsp or .bas files?
A better link than the one I just sent, still not great http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309173. Original message >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:18:12 -0400 >From: Joe Atzberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Cannot use windows search text inside .java .jsp or >.bas files? >To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu > >I can corroborate your experience here. Search for filename "*.java" and >get hits. View one of those .java files, copy a string out of it, and go >back to the search. Search for filename "*.java" again, with contents >matching the string you paste in. Get zero hits. Lame! > >Google Desktop search does the trick for me, however. Try that instead. > >-- joe atzberger > >On 7/20/07, Jeffrey Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Yes, I know I real programmers use grep ;-) >> But I still want an explanation! >> >> Jeffrey Barnett wrote: >> > Is this a well known feature or something I've managed to bring on >> > myself through an excess of customization? >> > >> > Try this: In the windows search tool specify >> > All or part of file name: .java >> > A word or phrase in the file: import >> > Look in: >> > >> > I've tried this on three different work stations and the result has >> > always been: >> > >> > "Search Complete: No results to display" >> > >> > Same thing happens searching for common statements inside .jsp and .bas >> > files. >> > >> > PS: I also have "search system files" enabled, so they are not being >> > skipped for that reason >>
Re: [CODE4LIB] Cannot use windows search text inside .java .jsp or .bas files?
There's a registry setting that controls what file extensions windows will explore. Found reference to it in this thread, it's somewhere halfway down http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=673595&messageID=3935013. I assume it's to avoid searching in binary files. Of course, grep will still say there's a match and warn you that it seems to be a binary file. Jon Gorman Original message >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:18:12 -0400 >From: Joe Atzberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Cannot use windows search text inside .java .jsp or >.bas files? >To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu > >I can corroborate your experience here. Search for filename "*.java" and >get hits. View one of those .java files, copy a string out of it, and go >back to the search. Search for filename "*.java" again, with contents >matching the string you paste in. Get zero hits. Lame! > >Google Desktop search does the trick for me, however. Try that instead. > >-- joe atzberger > >On 7/20/07, Jeffrey Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Yes, I know I real programmers use grep ;-) >> But I still want an explanation! >> >> Jeffrey Barnett wrote: >> > Is this a well known feature or something I've managed to bring on >> > myself through an excess of customization? >> > >> > Try this: In the windows search tool specify >> > All or part of file name: .java >> > A word or phrase in the file: import >> > Look in: >> > >> > I've tried this on three different work stations and the result has >> > always been: >> > >> > "Search Complete: No results to display" >> > >> > Same thing happens searching for common statements inside .jsp and .bas >> > files. >> > >> > PS: I also have "search system files" enabled, so they are not being >> > skipped for that reason >>
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib listserv archives [munging]
Original message >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:46:48 -0400 >From: Eric Lease Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib listserv archives [munging] >To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu > >On Jul 18, 2007, at 1:44 PM, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: > >>> I say 'yes', as long as the archives don't expose email addresses >>> in a >>> format suitable for harvesting. >> >> Hmmm... I do not know whether or not the mailing list software >> (LISTSERV) supports the munging of addresses, nor do I know whether >> or not the archives will even be crawlable by robots. I will check. > > >According to our technical support folks here at Notre Dame, the >mailing list archives are not suppose to be crawlable by things like >Google, etc, but just as importantly, according to the same people, >it is not possible to munge email addresses in archives so they are >not harvestable/readable. > it is not possible to do that? That's odd, I thought ListServ let you do that option. Of course, finding it in their documentation may not be an easy exercise. I guess if no email munging is there I'm a little torn. On one hand, I'm not sure if having my email address a little less visible will help much with spam. I guess my vote is still yes. Meanwhile I guess I'll start working with filters ;). Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib listserv archives
Open your archive and let the light shine in. Original message >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:14:52 -0400 >From: Eric Lease Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib listserv archives >To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu > >On Jul 18, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: > >> At present, the Code4Lib listserv archives at: >> http://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=code4lib >> >> Require one to be a subscriber in order to view. >> >> Can this be changed? > > >I, as maintainer of the mailing list, have no problem allowing non- >subscribers to view the "official" archives. If, by noon tomorrow, I >get more "yes" votes as opposed to "no" votes regarding this issue, >then I will change things accordingly. (I'm going on vacation as of >tomorrow afternoon.) Feel free to send your votes to me or the list. > >-- >Eric Lease Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >University Libraries of Notre Dame > >(574) 631-8604
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib journal idea revival?
Original message >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:13:58 -0400 >From: Ryan Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib journal idea revival? >To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu > >I think there was also a plan for an anthology that could be wrapped >into the first few issues. I'm not sure if that project fizzled or not >either. The woes of a volunteer force with little free time. > Do you mean the anthology of blog postings? In either case, I'd be interested in working on it, although I'm a bit nervous I wouldn't have much time for it either or wouldn't be able to keep up with it. It does sound like an interesting project. >I'm still interested in the idea and I could probably set up an >installation on code4lib in the near future if people are interested >and approve. journal.code4lib.org I think would be appropriate. That would rock.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Everything okay in Georgia
It rained pretty hard, but I think the worst that happened is a few of us got a bit soaked. I haven't heard anything yet. Jon Gorman Original message >Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:12:20 -0500 >From: Peter Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [CODE4LIB] Everything okay in Georgia >To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >NPR is talking about the line of storms that went through Georgia last >night. Is everyone okay? > > >Peter >- -- >NOTE: New Position ... http://dltj.org/2007/01/new-title-new-challenges/ > >Peter Murrayhttp://www.pandc.org/peter/work/ >Assistant Director, New Service Development tel:+1-614-728-3600;ext=338 >OhioLINK: the Ohio Library and Information NetworkColumbus, Ohio >The Disruptive Library Technology Jesterhttp://dltj.org/ >Attrib-Noncomm-Share http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ >-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) >Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >iD8DBQFF6BR44+t4qSfPIHIRAhy3AJ9xQzTjBB/p5KsZZISIhjsrqwt0uACePiB8 >E40U4u4z9Z/RA2Rn/hE4y/w= >=J0Cj >-END PGP SIGNATURE-
[CODE4LIB] Book swap?
Hiya folks, I'm here at the conference and was wondering if anyone was interested in a bookswap. I've got a copy of Stephen King's "Cell" and Burroughs "Running With Scissors". I'm finished with them and wondering if anyone else had anything interesting to read. I'll bring them with me downstairs. Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] 2007 Conference Attendee List--Dumb question
I made the same mistake, read the instructions at the top of the page. Jonathan T. Gorman Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 244-4688 On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Joan Starr wrote: Okay--I admit I forgot my password. So, I went through the change-your-password flow, but the ListofAddressees page still won't accept it. Is there a time lag involved? --Joan Starr -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roy Tennant Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:46 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] 2007 Conference Attendee List To better enable networking of Code4Lib 2007 Conference attendees before, during, and after the meeting, I have put the list of attendees on the Code4Lib wiki: http://code4lib.org/wiki/ListofAttendees Only names are on the list, so if you wish to make your contact information available please edit the page to include the information you care to include. Basic access and editing instructions are on the page. A link to this page can be found on the conference web page at http://www.code4lib.org/2007 I've edited my entry as an example, but feel free to do whatever feels right. Thanks, Roy
Re: [CODE4LIB] Polls open for Code4Lib 2007 T-Shirt design
US copyright law is absolutely confounding. I think what it the defining factor here is if this image went through the paperwork for American copyright. I believe then the status is out of copyright by two years. Notice the test for a work that is in compliance with US Formalities that was in copyright in it's home country as of Jan. 1, 1996 is under copyright for 95 years after publication date. Of course, I'm not a lawyer. I'm basing this mostly off this cheat sheet from cornell: http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/training/Hirtle_Public_Domain.htm. Jonathan T. Gorman Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 244-4688 On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, Rob Styles wrote: The photo is an original WWII photo from 1944, it's outside of the 50 years covered by copyright here in the UK in is in use by several different organisations. I believe we don't need any clearance. rob Rob Styles Programme Manager, Data Services, Talis tel: +44 (0)870 400 5000 fax: +44 (0)870 400 5001 direct: +44 (0)870 400 5004 mobile: +44 (0)7971 475 257 msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc: irc.freenode.net/mrob,isnick -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roy Tennant Sent: 26 January 2007 21:10 To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Polls open for Code4Lib 2007 T-Shirt design I hate to be the one to raise this, but it seems like I must since the design is leading in the polls, but do we have (or can we obtain) the right to reproduce that photo? Roy The very latest from Talis read the latest news at www.talis.com/news listen to our podcasts www.talis.com/podcasts see us at these events www.talis.com/events join the discussion here www.talis.com/forums join our developer community www.talis.com/tdn and read our blogs www.talis.com/blogs Any views or personal opinions expressed within this email may not be those of Talis Information Ltd. The content of this email message and any files that may be attached are confidential, and for the usage of the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, then please return this message to the sender and delete it. Any use of this e-mail by an unauthorised recipient is prohibited. Talis Information Ltd is a member of the Talis Group of companies and is registered in England No 3638278 with its registered office at Knights Court, Solihull Parkway, Birmingham Business Park, B37 7YB.
Re: [CODE4LIB] MINUS in MySQL (was Re: Thanks!) -- also intesection with LIKE?
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Kohler, Andy wrote: Ken Irwin asked: I wonder if it's possible to use LIKE with the results of a subquery, eg.: SELECT * FROM table WHERE ip [NOT LIKE ANYTHING IN] (SELECT ip_range FROM known_ips) where [NOT LIKE ANYTHING IN] is probably some different wording. In general, you'd do this like (hah): SELECT * FROM table t WHERE NOT EXISTS ( SELECT * FROM known_ips WHERE ip = t.ip ) I think what's Ken is asking for though is there some combination of the IN operator and LIKE operator. He's trying to exclude a set of patterns, ie converting (ip NOT LIKE "127.%" OR ip NOT LIKE "143.123.%"). Off the top of my head I can't think of anything like that (which isn't to say much), but if by some stroke of luck you filter based on a certain part of the address you could do a substring function. (You'd have to check MySQL manual for the exact syntax)... Ie SELECT * FROM iptables WHERE substring(iptables,1,7) NOT IN (127.475,...) Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] Polls open for Code4Lib 2007 T-Shirt design
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Emily Lynema wrote: Even though I didn't vote for this design, I would vote for the shorter wording. But I will point out that it seems slightly less than democratic to have folks choose a design, and then re-do that design w/o putting it up for another vote on code4lib. Maybe I'm being too picky? I don't think so. Part of the reason I didn't vote for that particular design is soley because I didn't like the phrasing of it. Had it a caption that doesn't throw my thinking process off in the middle of it I probably would have voted for it ;). That being said, if it does win the first round perhaps we should have a "pick the caption?" vote? Or just redo the whole thing? I imagine we're starting to run into timeline issues now, but I leave that to the wise heads running the conference to determine. Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] Thanks! Re: [CODE4LIB] SQL query
Last I checked MySQL doesn't support MINUS, but it's been a few years since I used it. I vaguly remember talk about the developers planning on adding it. I took a quick glance at the docs, but I can't seem to find anything one way or another. Is it in one of the later versions of MySQL? On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Jeffrey Barnett wrote: You have gotten a lot of suggestions, but here is one more. select * from lib_books where good_thing = 'TRUE' MINUS select * from lib_books where bad_thing = 'TRUE' I think MINUS is faster than JOIN. Other SET OPERATIONS include UNION and INTERSECT. Set operations require that the underlying result sets be "compatible": Same number of columns. Corresponding columns have matching datatypes. Ken Irwin wrote: Hi all, Thanks for these myriad responses! I've gotten at least three distinct approaches to try. I knew there had to be a better way. your sql-fu is appreciated! joys Ken
Re: [CODE4LIB] RE: [CODE4LIB] RE: [CODE4LIB] Polls open for Code4Lib 2007 T-Shirt design
Well, if it's open for a rewrite, perhaps something like: It was hopeless. Maude and Agnes had cracked top-secret messages during World War II, but even Bletchley Park's finest cryptographers were mystified by the enigmatic "008". O, I like. Ben++ Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] RE: [CODE4LIB] Polls open for Code4Lib 2007 T-Shirt design
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Ben Ostrowsky wrote: If the Bletchley Park design idea wins, may I offer a friendly amendment? "It was hopeless. Despite years at Bletchley Park, Maude and Agnes still had three characters of the 008 that they could not understand." Ben There was actually some discussions on the #code4lib channel recently that came up with the same conclusion and the same sentence structure. There's also some discussion that the last phrase should be redone to make it clear that the problem doesn't lie with the two women. People who don't know of Bletchley Park might mis-interpret it. Bletchley was one of the locations in WWII for codebreaking. I think the suggestion was something like "had three characters that remained encrypted". Someone can read through the logs if they want to find out what the exact suggestion was. I apologize if I've pointed out the obvious though ;). Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] Polls open for Code4Lib 2007 T-Shirt design
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Joan Starr wrote: Maybe. I didn't get it, and I saw from the message at the bottom of the thread that it got sent to a Google list, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not sure about that one. --Joan Right, I believe that's the list for the conference organizers. The original email had both groups on the cc line, so when Peter responded to whichever one he responded, the response was sent to both. Probably because he did a reply all or something like that. Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] Polls open for Code4Lib 2007 T-Shirt design
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Joan Starr wrote: Why didn't the invitation to vote go out to the Code4Lib listserv? I only found out about it because of Peter's email below. --Joan Starr There's an email (actually, for some reason I have two identical ones) from Ross Singer on Tuesday announcing it, Peter's email is a response email to that one. I have it in my inbox, perhaps there's a listserv issue if people aren't getting emails. Jonathan T. Gorman Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 244-4688 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Binkley, Peter Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:59 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Polls open for Code4Lib 2007 T-Shirt design I get this error when I try to visit the tshirt page: Fatal error: Call to undefined function format_name() in /var/www/code4lib.org/htdocs/themes/sunflower/sunflower.theme on line 183 Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Singer Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:56 AM To: Code for Libraries; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Polls open for Code4Lib 2007 T-Shirt design Cast your vote for the Code4Lib 2007 T-Shirt! Polls will open until ~5PM EST on Friday, January 26th. http://www.code4lib.org/node/150 May the best design win. -Ross. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "code4libcon" group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/code4libcon?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [CODE4LIB] SQL query: looking for NON-intersection of tables
I want to generate a list of books that are in lib.books that doesn't have any subjects assigned to it. There's a couple ways to do this. I'm a little rusty on MySQL, so this will just be a bit of a generic SQL, you may have to adapt. The always popular left outer join with a null. Outer joins will join tables even when there isn't a matching element in one the tables. So...in our fictional example: (LibBooks has the book ids, and BooksSubjects has the relation of books to subject ids) SELECT * FROM LibBooks LEFT OUTER JOIN BooksSubjects ON (LibBoooks.BookId = LibSubjects.BookId) WHERE LibSubjects.BookId IS NULL. The left outer join here will still "join" a BookId and row to the BookSubjects table if there is no match, but all those tuples that would come from the table on the "right" will be set to null. Hence, it only gets those books that are always in LibBooks. You can do a not in sub-query (syntax here might vary between SQL servers)...soemthing like SELECT * FROM LibBooks Where LibBooks.BookId NOT IN (SELECT DISTINCT BookId FROM LibSubjects) There's a few other methods, but I can't remember them off the top of my head. Jonathan T. Gorman Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 244-4688 On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Ken Irwin wrote: Hi folks, I'm trying to put together a MySQL query to do something I don't know how to do: get a list of materials that DON'T show up in a relational table. For example, 3 tables: 1) lib.books : lots of bib data including book_id 2) lib.subjects: subj_code, selector, subject_name 3) relational: lists book_id & subj_code I could do this with 2 queries, but it gets unwieldy: get a list of distinct book_ids and AND/NOT them all together like: SELECT * FROM books WHERE book_id != '4' and book_id != '7'... That works on really small sets, but I don't want to go that route. Is there a savvy way to structure this MySQL query. I don't even know the language to use to look for this information. Thanks for any help you can provide! Ken -- Ken Irwin Reference Librarian Thomas Library, Wittenberg University
Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting data from Voyager into XML?
There has never been any contractual issue that I am aware of with going under the Oracle hood and using the data. It is your data... I think Rob's point isn't that it's a license issue for the end user, but rather the vendors who make the ILS software. It used to be more typical for there to be varying license agreements for how you wanted to "sell" applications that depended on another vendor's database. So the ILS vendor, if it wanted it's database structure to be "open" to it's end-users for local customization would essentially have to pay more to get this and end up passing this cost to the end-user. Essentially, every customer would end up paying indirectly for the ability to do this, regardless of if they did it or not. We're not talking about data here, but how a third party's programs and software is used in the vendor's software. It's a complex issue and can be one of the things that make companies nervous about "viral" licenses such as GNU as opposed to BSD licenses. A quick example: Imagine a service for recommending books. They allow all the libraries apis and web services for accessing this service, but they keep it on their machines. Now they only need one licenses for the database vendor. They later decide to develop a way to install local servers. Now that means they either have to re-negotate with the database vendor or just tell those installing the local servers that they have to negotate for the database software and support themselves. Jonathan T. Gorman Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 244-4688
Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting data from Voyager into XML?
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Erik Hatcher wrote: Tod, Great information. I apologize for being a late comer to the game and bringing up FAQs. What about date normalization? One thing that must be considered when doing faceted browsing is that it works best with some pre-processed data, such as years rather than full dates. The question becomes where does the logic for stripping out the years belong? Solr could do it if configured with a custom analyzer for certain fields, or the client could do it. Is there XSLT to do this sort of thing with dates available? I know XSLT 2.0 can handle them far better due to the support for types. However, MARC still has oddities which would probably need to be address directly. If doing it entirely in XSLT I'd probably actually pipeline it and do several transformations in a row. There's also been work done to provide libraries and the like in XSLT. EXSLT comes to mind right away. One example of an MARC oddity I had recently is that a report required the 260 |c field. I got complaints that the dates were malformed. Why? They appeared like 1922]. Those with some catalog experience can guess the problem. The whole 260 field looks like this $a [Chicago: $b some publisher $c 1922]. I'm not entirely sure how that would get parsed into MARCXML in the first place. There's techniques to deal with this in xslt, but the string manipulations are generally more cumbersome in that language than in a scripting language as you mention. In XSLT 2.0 I'd probably have a template/function to parse out punctuation, then something to possibly normalize dates. Which reminds me, I need to start reviewing some XSLT/Cocoon for the pre-conference ;). Jonathan T. Gorman Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 244-4688 Erik On Jan 19, 2007, at 5:58 AM, Tod Olson wrote: On Jan 19, 2007, at 4:07 AM, Erik Hatcher wrote: On Jan 17, 2007, at 3:26 PM, Andrew Nagy wrote: One thing I am hoping that can come out of the preconference is a standard XSLT doc. I sat down with my metadata librarian to develop our XSLT doc -- determining what fields are to be searchable what fields should be left out to help speed up results, etc. It's pretty easy, I think you will be amazed how fast you can have a functioning system with very little effort. You're quite right with that last statement. I am, however, skeptical of a purely MARC -> XSLT -> Solr solution. The MARC data I've seen requires some basic cleanup (removing dots at the end of subjects, normalizing dates, etc) in order to be useful as facets. While XSLT is powerful, this type of data manipulation is better (IMO) done with scripting languages that allow for easy tweaking in a succinct way. I'm sure XSLT could do everything that you'd want done; you can also drive screws in with a hammer :) So the punctuation stripping has already been done in XSLT. LoC has a MARCXML -> MODS XSLT stylesheet [1] which strips out the evil ISBD punctuation. I've generally found mapping from MODS to be more convenient than mapping from MARC, so while it's an extra step, it does save a little programmer time since some of the hidden hierarchy in the MARC data is made explicit in the MODS structure. If hopping through MODS is unacceptable, the LoC has the punctuation- stripping nicely tucked away into a MARC Conversion Utility Stylesheet that you could use directly in a MARC XML -> Solr transformation. [2] [1] http://www.loc.gov/standards/mods/v3/MARC21slim2MODS.xsl [2] http://www.loc.gov/marcxml/xslt/MARC21slimUtils.xsl Tod Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Programmer/Analyst University of Chicago Library
Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting data from Voyager into XML?
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Doran, Michael D wrote: The mfhd has a location, but in Voyager I find the item perm_location to be more accurate, at least with our practice For Voyager, I've found this to be a useful algorithm for getting accurate location information: if item record then if item temp_location not null then use item temp_location, else use item perm_location else use mfhd location Ah, true, for the online catalog you might actually want to display both items of information. (IE temporarily shelved at reserves, normally found in Vet Med). Jonathan T. Gorman Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 244-4688
Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting data from Voyager into XML?
Hi Nate,
I've just started playing around with this a bit myself, although I have
to confess that it's quite recent and a hack. But here's what I've been
doing.
Due to consortium issues and the like here's the track I'm taking. I'm
using Perl, since I haven't yet started playing with Ruby. I know, I
know, lame ;).
First, I run a query to grab the bib ids/mfhd ids of some groups of
records that I'm interested in. I'm going for a smaller set probably,
since our whole collection is rather large. Then I run it through a small
script that runs a query (where $recordtype = BIB or MFHD)
my $qry = "SELECT ".$recordtype."_DATA.".$recordtype."_id,
record_segment, "
. "seqnum FROM UIUDB.".$recordtype."_DATA "
. " WHERE ".$recordtype."_DATA.".$recordtype."_ID = ? "
. " ORDER BY seqnum ASC " ;
with the ? set to the id. The results are merged into one string. This
is used to create a MARC::Record object. I add this to a MARC::File::XML
object.
I have in some notes that I need to pad out the bib records when using
this method, but I'm not sure why. I'm not currently duing that
and it hasn't caused any issues yet.
That's it ;). Gives me some nice marcxml. And I haven't tested it at all
yet, just started playing around with it.
I've included some of the code below. Like I said, I just came up with
this really quickly, haven't had a chance to really test it heavily yet.
use strict;
use DBI;
use MARC::Record;
use MARC::file::XML;
use Getopt::Std;
# set the database connection options
#removed :P
my %opts;
getopt('ft',\%opts);
my $recordtype="BIB";
if (uc($opts{'t'}) eq "MFHD" ) {
$recordtype="MFHD";
}
#need to change so can take from command line
if ($opts{'f'}) {
open(IDS,"< ".$opts{'f'}) or die "must set -f input ids";
}
my $qry = "SELECT ".$recordtype."_DATA.".$recordtype."_id,
record_segment, "
. "seqnum FROM UIUDB.".$recordtype."_DATA "
. " WHERE ".$recordtype."_DATA.".$recordtype."_ID = ? "
. " ORDER BY seqnum ASC " ;
my $sth = $dbh->prepare($qry) or die "preparing SQL query $qry.";
my $file = MARC::File::XML->out( $recordtype.'records.xml' );
while () {
chomp;
s/ *$//;
s/^ *//;
my $id = $_;
my $MARC = "";
$sth->execute($id);
while (my ($rec_id, $recseg, $seqnum) = $sth->fetchrow_array) {
$MARC .= $recseg ;
#not sure that the below is needed...there is some
#sort of issue with the "last" record, maybe?
# $MARC .= ' ' x (990-length($recseg)); # Pad each segment to 990
chars.
}
$sth->finish;
my $record = MARC::Record->new_from_usmarc($MARC);
$file->write($record);
}
$file->close();
Jonathan T. Gorman
Research Information Specialist
University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana
216 Main Library - MC522
1408 West Gregory Drive
Urbana, IL 61801
Phone: (217) 244-4688
Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting data from Voyager into XML?
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Nathan Vack wrote: On Jan 17, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Andrew Nagy wrote: Nate, it's pretty easy. Once you dump your records into a giant marc file, you can run marc2xml (http://search.cpan.org/~kados/MARC-XML-0.82/bin/marc2xml). Then run an XSLT against the marcxml file to create your SOLR xml docs. Unless I'm totally, hugely mistaken, MARC doesn't say anything about holdings data, right? If I want to facet on that, would it make more sense to add holdings data to the MARC XML data, or keep separate xml files for holdings that reference the item data? Depends a bit what you mean about holding data. There are MARC holding records (mfhds) that do provide some of this information. However, much of the information you want to know on a Voyager system is held in the database item's record. (The mfhd has a location, but in Voyager I find the item perm_location to be more accurate, at least with our practice.). Some information might be considered too "real time" to index, but it's worth considering trying it anyway. I'm hoping to get some queries to get some of the most useful stuff dumped out and added to yet a third file, but haven't started yet. That's a personal project at this point. In a lot of cases, location data might not be a hugely important facet; at Madison, we have something like 42 libraries spread thinly across campus (gah!) -- each with different loan policies -- as well as a few request-only storage facilities. So there's a lot of "Stuff I Can't Check Out" and a lot of "Stuff I'll Need To Wait For" in our collection. I feel your pain ;). And worse, there's isn't always a good way to know if a location actually circulates from within voyager besides sometime misleading naming conventions. (For us anyways). I've been considering setting up a database that will just act as a mapping for individual libraries and their shelving locations and preferred policies, if only to help keep track of them all. Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib 2007 Registration Open
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006, Darla Grediagin wrote: Do many school librarians go to this conference. I have a scholarship to attend a conference in the Spring of 2007. I am getting more and more interested in the technology side of library. I have just helped with the installation of Koha for our library circulation/catalog program. I am trying to feel out whether this would be the conference to choose. Hi Darla, It's only the second year of the conference. I managed to make it to first ever code4lib last year and enjoyed it. It is definitly on the technology side of librarianship. Most of the people there from my impression were involved in academic (University level) libraries one way or another, with some sprinklings of people from various vendors. Overall though it's a quite inviting conference. If you've helped installed Koha I'd imagine people would be interested in hearing about that (I know I am). It sounds like excellent material for at least a lightning talk. It seems a pretty good group of people and a mix of topics. I will say some were on the more technical and technology-orientated, but if that's what you're interested in I think the networking opprotunities will be pretty good. I think that some of the more general "library technology" conferences are Internet Librarian and Computers in Libraries, but I've never made it to either of those. Access is supposed to be great, but it's later in the year. I haven't had a chance to go there yet either. I think some of the audio files of presentations for code4lib2006 are up at the website (www.code4lib.org) Here's the schedule from the conference last year (http://www.code4lib.org/2006/schedule). I'm not sure what the conference will be like this year ;). I'm guessing the next few years of this conference might be a bumpy but it'll smooth out as it becomes more estabished. Jonathan T. Gorman Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 244-4688
[CODE4LIB] Session Timeouts in OPACs
Hi everyone, There are several of us at Urbana-Champaign that are interested in getting a better picture of how our current management of sessions for our OPAC affects our users. We're in a pretty early state in the project and thought it might be useful to gather some rough numbers about other institutions as well for comparison. The major issue we're wondering about is how long do you let your sessions go for? We timeout sessions after 5 minutes of inactivity, any more and the system may become unstable. We also have recently done a rough metric by counting how many times our timeout warning page was accessed to find out how many users were timed out of our system. On a slow day the timeout page is accessed around 300 times, on a busy day over a 1000 times. This page is only accessed if the user attempts a search on a page but their current session has timed out. Some of these are likely to be due to people trying to use another person's session at a public terminal. In other words, this data includes the situation where someone does a search, leaves, and another person comes up and tries to click "new search" but the session has already timed out. So some useful information might be: size of your school/institution or average users a day, how long is your timeout, and how many timeouts do you have? (Note - I'm cross-posting on Web4Lib, Code4Lib, LITA-L using my work email, [EMAIL PROTECTED], and LITA-L using my gmail account [EMAIL PROTECTED] Feel free to send to either.) Jonathan T. Gorman Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 244-4688
Re: [CODE4LIB] zoom
Been a while since I tried installing ZOOM on a windows machine. Last I did even with YAZ installed it wasn't working. Any pointers to better documentation would be nice. (I remember the CPAN module flaking out even with paths set to the YAZ libraries). Jonathan T. Gorman Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 244-4688 On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, Joshua Ferraro wrote: On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 01:43:50PM -0500, Jonathan Gorman wrote: Now if only it could work on our windows servers. It absolutely works on a windows server. Just make sure you've got Yaz installed and go ahead and install the Perl module on CPAN. Cheers, -- Joshua Ferraro SUPPORT FOR OPEN-SOURCE SOFTWARE President, Technology migration, training, maintenance, support LibLimeFeaturing Koha Open-Source ILS [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Full Demos at http://liblime.com/koha |1(888)KohaILS
Re: [CODE4LIB] zoom
Now if only it could work on our windows servers. Jon Gorman On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: This is just a posting in praise of the ZOOM Perl module. Using ZOOM is it possible to query bunches o' things using a consistent API. I used it to create a rudimentary Z39.50 client to our local catalog, attached. I think ZOOM is a bit of an unsung hero. -- Eric Lease Morgan University Libraries of Notre Dame
Re: [CODE4LIB] "Expect" OPAC output to web?
3) Is there a much smarter way to do this? What OPAC system do you use? There certainly might be a better way, but I can't be sure. (I suppose the "logging in" should be a clue that it's perhaps III, but I'm not sure). I've never used Expect, so I can't really comment on that. Jonathan T. Gorman Visiting Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 244-4688 What think you all? expect "ingenious replies" send "Ken" interact -- Ken Irwin Reference Librarian Thomas Library, Wittenberg University
Re: [CODE4LIB] next generation opac mailing list
On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Michael J. Giarlo wrote: On 6/5/06, Alexander Johannesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh, this one is easy to answer; we need to get away from MARC. No, not the content of MARC, nor the idea of it, nor necessarily even the MARC format and standard itself, but we need to get away from "we need MARC" and the idea that knowledge sharing in libraries are best done through MARC and that Z39.50 must be part of our requirements. Lib Tek: The Next Generation -- The Wrath of MARC. Is it too geeky to point out that The Warth of MARC would be more properly associated with Lib Tek, the original? You'd need something like Lib Tek: The Next Generation -- MARC-Nemsis (If we allow adaptation of episode titles maybe something like MARC-pid. Thanks to Wikipedia for being an ever useful source of pop culture.) Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] OAI Static Repository
Knowning nothing about OAI, little about XML Schema, and out of practice with validation in general, I still attempted to at least validate your docs. (It was interesting question in the back of my head of exactly how to validate some of the XML schema docs, so it was worth it.) I downloaded oai.xml, oai_dc.xsd, ran xmllint --schema oai_dc.xsd oai.xml and got a couple of errors. They all look like parser errors and not anything wrong with the schema. I'm assuming that's because I don't know what the heck I'm doing in that respect. oai.xml:4: namespace error : Namespace prefix oai on repositoryName is not defined Lunar and Planetary Institute ^ oai.xml:5: namespace error : Namespace prefix oai on baseURL is not defined http://www.lpi.usra.edu/library/oai.xml ^ oai.xml:6: namespace error : Namespace prefix oai on protocolVersion is not defined 2.0 ^ oai.xml:7: namespace error : Namespace prefix oai on adminEmail is not defined [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ oai.xml:8: namespace error : Namespace prefix oai on earliestDatestamp is not defined 2006-05-20 ^ oai.xml:9: namespace error : Namespace prefix oai on deletedRecord is not defined no ^ oai.xml:10: namespace error : Namespace prefix oai on granularity is not defined YYY-MM-DD ^ oai.xml:13: namespace error : Namespace prefix oai on matadataFormat is not defined ^ oai.xml:14: namespace error : Namespace prefix oai on metadataPrefix is not defined oai:dc ^ oai.xml:15: namespace error : Namespace prefix oai on schema is not defined http://www.openarchives.org/OAI/2.0/oai_dc.xsd ^ oai.xml:16: namespace error : Namespace prefix oai on metadataNamespace is not defined http://www.openarchives.org/OAI/2.0/oai_dc/http://www.openarchives.org/OAI/2.0/oai_dc/ ^ oai.xml:100: parser error : Premature end of data in tag dc line 92 ^ oai.xml:100: parser error : Premature end of data in tag metadataNamespace line 16 ^ oai.xml:100: parser error : Premature end of data in tag matadataFormat line 13 ^ oai.xml:100: parser error : Premature end of data in tag ListMetadataFormats line 12 ^ oai.xml:100: parser error : Premature end of data in tag Repository line 2 ^ Jonathan T. Gorman Visiting Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 244-4688 On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Bigwood, David wrote: I'm hoping someone can spare the time to take a look at the OAI Static Repository file I've created and let me know where I've gone wrong. I've created an OAI Static Repository for my institution's publications. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/library/oai.xml However, it is not quite correct. I've looked at it and can't seem to find the error. Anyone willing to take a look and see where I've left off the " or > or whatever? Getting this up is a big deal, I've been fighting for a year now to get this OKed. Now that it is up, the LANL static repository gateway rejects it. I used MarcEdit to create the file BTW. Thanks, David Bigwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lunar & Planetary Institute http://www.lpi.usra.edu/library
Re: [CODE4LIB] Musings on using xISBN in our Horizon catalog
On Wed, 24 May 2006, David J. Fiander wrote: Since the collection of ISBNs can be treated as an equivalence class, can't any arbitrary member of the class be designated as the group identifier? This eliminates the need to create a synthetic id, and it means that, for singular items, there's no need to create a separate group id. I can see two drawbacks: 1) It could be confusing. If someone doesn't read the documentation properly they could be mislead to believe that the table is an un-normalized one. 2) One could optimize by only storing those numbers that have more than one in a group. From Thom's description it seems like that is what xISBN does. (I could be wrong here, going from memory). Problem of course if you don't store the 1 to 1 mapping is that you don't know if there really is no known relationships or if that particular isbn hasn't been examined for any relationships with other material yet. Of course, even if you examined it there might be a relationship that hasn't been caught, so the difference might not be that huge. In either case you could say it is really saying we don't know of any relation with this isbn and other materials. Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] Musings on using xISBN in our Horizon catalog
That's why I'd love to know whether the xISBN database uses a common identifier for each set of ISBNs, and whether (and I know 'pretty please' is a poor justification for changing an API) it might be exposed for this reason. Hopefully the OCLC people can answer that. It might be in the work Andy suggested yesterday. One idea I had while yesterday was if you don't care that much about the id internally you could use an auto-increment. To clarify, we'll assume that any isbn in a set will return the same set in xISBN. IE asking for isbns related to a returns a,b and c. Asking for b or c should return a,b,c. So we can do as Andy suggested and start building our table by taking the set of all current isbns, normalized a bit I'd imagine. In a computationally-expensive method: Start with the first isbn (x) and get the set of isbns from xISBN that is related (A). Iterate over every member of A testing for the following: is the member assigned to a group already. If it has, stop the loop and assign x to the same group. If none in A have been assigned a group, start a new group and add x. You'll have to do this every once in a while to make sure you're getting all the new books. Hopefully this makes up for the advice I gave yesterday ;). I'm sure you can probably come up with a better algorithm though, something about the backward-lookup everytime makes me think that there's a better way. ps. Andy's right, normalization is a good, good thing. Only reason I suggested looking at the costs was I was thinking it would be a lot easier than trying to come up with a method to generate unique ids for a "group" since my grasp of FRBR/xISBN is a little shaky I'll avoid any specific terminology. (Like I said in my original email, having a identifier or groups is a definite advangtage).
Re: [CODE4LIB] Musings on using xISBN in our Horizon catalog
On Mon, 22 May 2006, Houghton,Andrew wrote: I don't think a two column table relating ISBN to ISBN is the proper data model. As Ben pointed out in his message: "But if we cross-reference every ISBN to every other, we'll have a factorial number of rows, which is probably less than optimal." It also means that the SQL table isn't fully normalized. No, I don't either, but it's simpler. Which was why I was a bit curious about it. Also, I missed the important fact they were only going to display the links for those contained within the same catalog. My mind was already going to a openurl-type service. A scenario where one might want to know the related ISBNs, but there might be relatively few source ISBNs compared to "related" ISBNs. The performance cost might be less than the effort of creating and maintaining a "FRBR" key for each work. Of course, I'm happy to find some of the OCLC work on FRBR groups that I didn't know about. Looks like something to go back and look at some more during lunch. So sorry for the cruddy advice Ben ;). Jonathan T. Gorman Visiting Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 244-4688
Re: [CODE4LIB] Musings on using xISBN in our Horizon catalog
So the ideal use case for our xISBN cache is that we would be querying only a local database, and that database would only return ISBNs (or bib numbers) of other editions which are actually in our catalog. Very nice idea. My guess is that we should have a row for each ISBN in the system, along with a column that links that ISBN to some common identifier that will symbolically mean e.g. "SQL for Dummies, any version". We could then ask "What is the identifier for the first ISBN of the item being displayed?" and then do a second query that asks "What other ISBNs in our catalog have that identifier?" My gut instinct is that while this is nice, I'm wondering if for this particular project it couldn't be simplier. Why not just simply have a two column table, both being ISBNs. Something like source,related. Then you simply feed in the results for every hit from the xISBN service. And of course you might want to refresh this over time, or try to use some other techniques. (Ie occasionally look for places where source isbn has related isbn, but related does not have source.). Of course, there would be a definite advantage to be able to have the identifier. I don't know what number you'd use. I would think you'd just have to use a internal id (auto-incrementing or something of that nature). The only remaining question, I think, is whether we should have one table with ISBN as primary key and identifier as a second column (one row per ISBN), and then another table with identifier as primary key and ISBN as second column (again, one row per ISBN). This could make our queries faster at the cost of doubling storage space. On the other hand, perhaps we don't need to optimize that far. It depends on how mySQL reacts to searching the entire table for a non-primary-key column value. I'll have to fiddle with it and find out, unless one of you knows already. Nope, sounds like a fiddling thing to me. I'd suspect that a two column table should be optimized for lookups in either direction since they tend to be used in joining queries (ie are a relation). But I don't know the behavior of MySQL by default. Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib journal
I suppose that I shall have to write an article for the journal entitled "Code 4 dealing gracefully with idiotic journal names". Actually, it sounds like a great article for the journal. :) Could subtitle it: "For magazines named by people thinking they're clever.". Of course, I'm not sure that the title I liked the best "Indexed" would have improved findability any. Ah, the fun of serials tracking. We could just have a couple of series names, ala some of the German publishers with their monographic series. (Ah, memories of the year I spent as a serials cataloging GA) So every fourth (and A) issue would be a "code4lib journal", "/lib/dev/" and "Indexed" series issue, while those with articles containing the word "Regex" would be also be in the "Possibly Perl Series" which will be incremented according to the m . (n . i) where n is the previous number of i in the last of the series and m is the phase of the moon. :P Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib journal
On Wed, 3 May 2006, Eric Hellman wrote: Here's the latest on the code4lib journal: "/lib/dev: A Journal for Library Programmers" won the journal name vote. (See http://www.code4lib.org/node/96 for more details.) The idea of a journal name that contains punctuation in the title is so breathtakingly idiotic that I can only assume that it is a reference to the bug in the name of the computer language C++ First, thanks to Jeff Davis for all the hard work on getting the journal up and running. Second, I'm tempted to make a snarky reply to Eric, but I'll try to be civil. I'm not a fan of the name either and didn't vote for it. But the community did. And it seems insulting to follow up on the account of Jeff's hard work with a complaint that could have been (and was) made weeks ago. It also could have been done in a much more polite manner. Well, ok, on the irc you probably could have said this ;). But the atmosphere is a bit different than the mailing list. Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib journal
The editors of THE Journal suggest we establish a 246 field for "Slash Lib Slash Dev". Did you know that there really is/was a journal named THE Journal. THE was a pseudo-acronym for Technology in Higher Education. Ummm, who do you think the editors were that made the suggestions? I assume they meant the editors of Technology in Higher Education gave suggestions due to the similar problems they have had. As for /lib/dev, I don't know if we even have any volunteers for editors yet. Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] tagging
Although tagging is the hot new term for it, I remember reading about similar ideas way, way back in my undergraduate days. (Ok, that was only around four years ago, but still). I'd have to dig to get some of the research, but my overall impression is that there are a couple of qualities that could make tagging very useful: 1) Community tagging of all records 2) experts applying a hierarchal controlled vocabulary on top of the tagging being assisted by using various statistical analysis. This tends to be done somewhat poorly by community tagging. 3) Multi-word tags (with normalization applied in both directions) 4) Thesauri to map between tagging, similar concepts, and the controlled vocabulary. This is really an extention of point 2. I remember reading a study that indicated people don't like to use thesauri when they have to select it as an option but they like the results when it's done for them. (Think Google's suggestion to search term X instead of Y). 5) Use some statistical crunching of user-submitted reviews and information to suggest possible tag words. This can be tricky. In Spring 02 right after Google opened up their api I worked on a project with some other people that used somewhat circular logic that tried to find a combination of words from a webpage that would bring that page up in Google in the rankings. The idea was if the combination of words was first, it would be a decent description to find similar pages. The problem is if you did it too perfectly, it's likely to be nonsenical. (An old IR problem, forget the name.). For example, for many large hobby sites it was fine since it offered things like "model train", but for small sites with little content we got things like "steel factory singleton". In that case it was the home page of a professor who offhandly mentioned a trip to a steel factory. The professor rarely used words that would be the most useful, such as computer science. But it's useful to offer tips to human beings that can quickly throw out garabage like "steel factory" as a suggestion for the page. Of course, if you're asking for the nitty-gritty implementation details of what I would doI'd have to think a little longer ;). But not too much. At it's heart it would just be an index. The statistical analysis could be harvested by playing around with the large body of IR research already out there. Ah, and lots of promoting to get the critical mass of people. I'm typed the response rather quickly, so sorry if it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. This stuff is part of the reason I got into library science so I get carried away on occasion. Jonathan T. Gorman Visiting Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 244-4688 On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: Over the weekend I had the opportunity to chat with a friend about "tagging" -- a sort of self- keyword cataloging as implemented by del.icio.us and flikr. I'm wondering, to what degree does this group here think tagging would be beneficial in Library Land? For example, we could allow tagging to be done against items in a library catalog or against a personalized collection of Internet resources. If it were beneficial, then how would y'all implement it? -- Eric Lease Morgan University Libraries of Notre Dame
[CODE4LIB] Registration Materials?
Hi all, Probably not the best forum for this, but I was preparing some stuff for the conference this week and it dawned on me I was assuming I'd pick up any registration materials at the conference. But looking at the scheduling info doesn't really seem to indicate any time to pick the material up or place to do so. I'm hoping it's just before the conference starts. I'm a little nervous it was supposed to be sent or something. (Or that there was a mistake in the registration.) If there was any info at the end of the process I told this. (A fund covered part of the conference costs including registration so the person in charge of the fund had to put in the financials and do the registration form). Anyone have an idea of what's going on? Hopefully I haven't made myself look silly by overlooking something. (Well, I'm really hoping that I actually am registered for the conference. I meant to double-check it last week but forgot. Guess I'll be calling Monday). Don't know if this is the best forum for this but I figure at least a few of you will be attending code4lib ;). Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] Greasemonkey Script for Tulsa City-County Library
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, kevin smith wrote: Hello, I am trying to adapt the Amazon SPL Linky for a friend who is a patron of the Tulsa City-County Library. huh, well, I just started playing with Greasemonkey myself last week to do something pretty similar. Some things I noticed right away: 1) the script doesn't have the .user.js suffix on the end. I think Greasemonkey and probably userscripts.org expect this. I would think they would have a more meaningful error message for this. I am no coder, I just tried to modify the variables at the top, but I get an error from userscripts.org when I ty to install the script. : So you uploaded it to userscripts.org? That seems like a painful way to do development. Instead, just save the javascript file to your machine and open with firefox. There should be a little yellow line on top that says something like "hello do you want to install this userscript?" (The exact words vary a bit). I installed it in a similar manner after changing the script name to be atcclinky.user.js. It does install. My guess is you'll need to do some debugging though. Perhaps a friendly soul might help you out there. Also, do you have the latest version of GreaseMonkey? Jon Gorman
Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP and SSL
A quick look at that site and it looks like it was made with MediaWiki. Looking for info about setting up ssl with PHP might be a bit of a red herring. I don't think there's anything special about ssl and php. It depends on the web server that's providing it. I'd recommend looking for documentation on enabling ssl with MediaWiki. Also check out his webserver documentation. SSL can be a bit confusing to set up, but there's a decent amount of info out there. Jonathan T. Gorman Visiting Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 244-4688 On Fri, 20 Jan 2006, Jeffrey Barnett wrote: Can someone tell me how to enable https for a particular php script? I was just looking at the newly created Library Success Wiki http://www.libsuccess.org/ and noticed that its login page is unencrypted. I mentioned this to the Wiki admin who then asked me how to fix it. Unfortunately I know zilch about php. Is there a simple answer? PS: The site is "powered by MediaWiki" http://www.mediawiki.org/ but a search of their documentation for https returns no result.
