Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Btw I am going to use commons-sql (at least a choice for now) for my work, which depends on betwixt, so with a bit of luck I can do some betwixt during office hours... Mvgr, Martin On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 23:31, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 6 Jan 2004, at 02:50, Ryan Hoegg wrote: I am a happy betwixt user and would be happy to take a more active role sometime in late January. cool. more hands, eyes and brains would be great :) What are your concerns with betwixt as it is now? too many to list quickly. it took me a long time to understand a little about what a start-from-java mapper needs to do. now i think i have an idea, the current betwixt internal structure isn't strong and simple enough to support it. there are some list of planned features on the todo list in the documentation. the refactoring i've been (slowly) doing is a complete rewrite (again) of the xml reading code. Perhaps a little road map? i'd suggest that we start off as martin says: i'll tidy up my refactored code and create a branch this weekend. we'll get together for a chat on IRC sometime next week or weekend. i know that some people want (and possibly need) a proper (non-alpha) release. the code in cvs head is probably good enough for a 0.1 or 0.5 release but some other committer would need to manage it. this could be done as soon as convenient. (the more advanced refactored stuff would be on the branch.) Do we have a wiki? probably :) but IIRC the apache wiki's (does anyone know more?) are being restructured so maybe it'd be a good idea to hold off until the dust settles - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mvgr, Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
If you could put your refactorings in a branch, that would be very cool (easier to merge from / to head). My time is limited too (I am moving in a couple of weeks), but I'll see if I can find the time to get some betwixt work done. Maybe an update on IRC ? Mvgr, Martin On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 22:19, robert burrell donkin wrote: i've now realized that releasing the alpha was a major mistake: it should have been a 0.1 release. it's reasonable solid as far as it goes. the problem is that the code needs a *lot* of refactoring before the functionality that consider the minimal for a full release can be added. there's also going to be a lot of deprecated code that will need to be removed before it's ready. this means that probably one or two minor 0.x releases would be needed. (a secondary issue is that now i'm not on the pmc i don't feel able to cast binding vote on legally important issues or cut releases so even if the work was done, someone else would need to act as release manager.) i've been working on a major refactoring of betwixt for a long time now but i've also got a number of local versions with extra bits and pieces in. unfortunately, too much of my time has been taken up with jakarta stuff in the last few months and i haven't been able to sort out this mess :( now that i've finished with that, i should have more coding time :) i've made some progress on the refactoring recently but i've neglected a lot of other projects i'm interested in and have a lot of catching up to do. realistically i'm not going to be in a position to put the refactored stuff in cvs for a while yet. (i'm very committed to backwards compatibility and the final details of the design aren't clear in my mind yet though the broad outline is). if there's interest from other committers i could think about tidying the refactored stuff up and putting it into a branch so that we can talk about the design. - robert On 29 Dec 2003, at 14:38, Tim O'Brien wrote: Understood. I'm in the same boat as you. Let me know if you need any release support. In the meantime, if you find yourself overburdened, let's start delegating. I'm surprised that we have enough time to talk about all these philosophical J-C vs. A-C issues, or even debating author tags when something as important as Betwixt sits in an Alpha for so long. Tim On 29 Dec 2003, Martin van den Bemt wrote: Hi Tim, On my part that almost all my resources go to my gui framework xulux on codehaus, my work, my newly acquired family and preparation for my new house. I try to organize a betwixt night so now and then, but that is hardly enough time to get a new release out the door. Robert is probably busy (or on a holiday?) and James has moved on to other projects. So currently betwixt is a bit asleep and wakes up so know and then when I can schedule a betwixt night. Mvgr, Martin On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 19:55, Tim O'Brien wrote: Betwixt is a very useful component, and a number of people would like to start using it in production systems. Could someone give a quick update as to why Betwixt is still at a 1.0 alpha? and, also provide a timeline for a 1.0 release. Tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Tim O'Brien Evanston, IL (847) 863-7045 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mvgr, Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
i've now realized that releasing the alpha was a major mistake: it should have been a 0.1 release. it's reasonable solid as far as it goes. the problem is that the code needs a *lot* of refactoring before the functionality that consider the minimal for a full release can be added. there's also going to be a lot of deprecated code that will need to be removed before it's ready. this means that probably one or two minor 0.x releases would be needed. (a secondary issue is that now i'm not on the pmc i don't feel able to cast binding vote on legally important issues or cut releases so even if the work was done, someone else would need to act as release manager.) i've been working on a major refactoring of betwixt for a long time now but i've also got a number of local versions with extra bits and pieces in. unfortunately, too much of my time has been taken up with jakarta stuff in the last few months and i haven't been able to sort out this mess :( now that i've finished with that, i should have more coding time :) i've made some progress on the refactoring recently but i've neglected a lot of other projects i'm interested in and have a lot of catching up to do. realistically i'm not going to be in a position to put the refactored stuff in cvs for a while yet. (i'm very committed to backwards compatibility and the final details of the design aren't clear in my mind yet though the broad outline is). if there's interest from other committers i could think about tidying the refactored stuff up and putting it into a branch so that we can talk about the design. - robert On 29 Dec 2003, at 14:38, Tim O'Brien wrote: Understood. I'm in the same boat as you. Let me know if you need any release support. In the meantime, if you find yourself overburdened, let's start delegating. I'm surprised that we have enough time to talk about all these philosophical J-C vs. A-C issues, or even debating author tags when something as important as Betwixt sits in an Alpha for so long. Tim On 29 Dec 2003, Martin van den Bemt wrote: Hi Tim, On my part that almost all my resources go to my gui framework xulux on codehaus, my work, my newly acquired family and preparation for my new house. I try to organize a betwixt night so now and then, but that is hardly enough time to get a new release out the door. Robert is probably busy (or on a holiday?) and James has moved on to other projects. So currently betwixt is a bit asleep and wakes up so know and then when I can schedule a betwixt night. Mvgr, Martin On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 19:55, Tim O'Brien wrote: Betwixt is a very useful component, and a number of people would like to start using it in production systems. Could someone give a quick update as to why Betwixt is still at a 1.0 alpha? and, also provide a timeline for a 1.0 release. Tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Tim O'Brien Evanston, IL (847) 863-7045 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
robert burrell donkin wrote: if there's interest from other committers i could think about tidying the refactored stuff up and putting it into a branch so that we can talk about the design. I think this may be the best idea. Or, you could create an experimental/refactoring directory in CVS and put the code in there. I've had no time to work on Jakarta stuff lately, but I use Betwixt and am interested in helping to get a release going. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Robert, please, at the very least, put the code up somewhere for inspection. BTW, Your work has been invaluable, and J-C, in your absence, has suffered. Tim On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, robert burrell donkin wrote: i've now realized that releasing the alpha was a major mistake: it should have been a 0.1 release. it's reasonable solid as far as it goes. the problem is that the code needs a *lot* of refactoring before the functionality that consider the minimal for a full release can be added. there's also going to be a lot of deprecated code that will need to be removed before it's ready. this means that probably one or two minor 0.x releases would be needed. (a secondary issue is that now i'm not on the pmc i don't feel able to cast binding vote on legally important issues or cut releases so even if the work was done, someone else would need to act as release manager.) i've been working on a major refactoring of betwixt for a long time now but i've also got a number of local versions with extra bits and pieces in. unfortunately, too much of my time has been taken up with jakarta stuff in the last few months and i haven't been able to sort out this mess :( now that i've finished with that, i should have more coding time :) i've made some progress on the refactoring recently but i've neglected a lot of other projects i'm interested in and have a lot of catching up to do. realistically i'm not going to be in a position to put the refactored stuff in cvs for a while yet. (i'm very committed to backwards compatibility and the final details of the design aren't clear in my mind yet though the broad outline is). if there's interest from other committers i could think about tidying the refactored stuff up and putting it into a branch so that we can talk about the design. - robert On 29 Dec 2003, at 14:38, Tim O'Brien wrote: Understood. I'm in the same boat as you. Let me know if you need any release support. In the meantime, if you find yourself overburdened, let's start delegating. I'm surprised that we have enough time to talk about all these philosophical J-C vs. A-C issues, or even debating author tags when something as important as Betwixt sits in an Alpha for so long. Tim On 29 Dec 2003, Martin van den Bemt wrote: Hi Tim, On my part that almost all my resources go to my gui framework xulux on codehaus, my work, my newly acquired family and preparation for my new house. I try to organize a betwixt night so now and then, but that is hardly enough time to get a new release out the door. Robert is probably busy (or on a holiday?) and James has moved on to other projects. So currently betwixt is a bit asleep and wakes up so know and then when I can schedule a betwixt night. Mvgr, Martin On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 19:55, Tim O'Brien wrote: Betwixt is a very useful component, and a number of people would like to start using it in production systems. Could someone give a quick update as to why Betwixt is still at a 1.0 alpha? and, also provide a timeline for a 1.0 release. Tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Tim O'Brien Evanston, IL (847) 863-7045 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Tim O'Brien Evanston, IL (847) 863-7045 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
robert burrell donkin wrote: if there's interest from other committers i could think about tidying the refactored stuff up and putting it into a branch so that we can talk about the design. I think this may be the best idea. Or, you could create an experimental/refactoring directory in CVS and put the code in there. You could consider a new sandbox project. Then you don't worry about compatability. (Its what I'd do...) Stephen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Hi Tim, On my part that almost all my resources go to my gui framework xulux on codehaus, my work, my newly acquired family and preparation for my new house. I try to organize a betwixt night so now and then, but that is hardly enough time to get a new release out the door. Robert is probably busy (or on a holiday?) and James has moved on to other projects. So currently betwixt is a bit asleep and wakes up so know and then when I can schedule a betwixt night. Mvgr, Martin On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 19:55, Tim O'Brien wrote: Betwixt is a very useful component, and a number of people would like to start using it in production systems. Could someone give a quick update as to why Betwixt is still at a 1.0 alpha? and, also provide a timeline for a 1.0 release. Tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] mvdb.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Martin van den Bemt wrote: Hi Tim, Robert is probably busy (or on a holiday?) and James has moved on to On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 19:55, Tim O'Brien wrote: Betwixt is a very useful component, and a number of people would like to start using it in production systems. Could someone give a quick update as to why Betwixt is still at a 1.0 alpha? and, also provide a timeline for a 1.0 release. I use betwixt in production, and would be willing to help push for a release. It would be nice if Robert or Martin could create a roadmap of sorts which could identify all of the works in progress and other things necessary for a betwixt 1.0 release. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Understood. I'm in the same boat as you. Let me know if you need any release support. In the meantime, if you find yourself overburdened, let's start delegating. I'm surprised that we have enough time to talk about all these philosophical J-C vs. A-C issues, or even debating author tags when something as important as Betwixt sits in an Alpha for so long. Tim On 29 Dec 2003, Martin van den Bemt wrote: Hi Tim, On my part that almost all my resources go to my gui framework xulux on codehaus, my work, my newly acquired family and preparation for my new house. I try to organize a betwixt night so now and then, but that is hardly enough time to get a new release out the door. Robert is probably busy (or on a holiday?) and James has moved on to other projects. So currently betwixt is a bit asleep and wakes up so know and then when I can schedule a betwixt night. Mvgr, Martin On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 19:55, Tim O'Brien wrote: Betwixt is a very useful component, and a number of people would like to start using it in production systems. Could someone give a quick update as to why Betwixt is still at a 1.0 alpha? and, also provide a timeline for a 1.0 release. Tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Tim O'Brien Evanston, IL (847) 863-7045 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
I am not monitoring the a-c / j-c debate too specific (just if I want some destraction from a programming problem) :). It's not that I don't care about it, just care more about programming till I drop :). For a release we absolutely need Robert (at least pending changes, and current todo's), since he did the last big refactor. I will try to reach him in private to ask, just in case he is not able to monitor the list because of lack of time.. I would like to move bugzilla issues out of the way before a release. Robert probabably should close one, the rest has my attention :). I will also check to see how good the testcoverage is, since I lost track of that a long time ago :) Mvgr, Martin On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 15:38, Tim O'Brien wrote: Understood. I'm in the same boat as you. Let me know if you need any release support. In the meantime, if you find yourself overburdened, let's start delegating. I'm surprised that we have enough time to talk about all these philosophical J-C vs. A-C issues, or even debating author tags when something as important as Betwixt sits in an Alpha for so long. Tim On 29 Dec 2003, Martin van den Bemt wrote: Hi Tim, On my part that almost all my resources go to my gui framework xulux on codehaus, my work, my newly acquired family and preparation for my new house. I try to organize a betwixt night so now and then, but that is hardly enough time to get a new release out the door. Robert is probably busy (or on a holiday?) and James has moved on to other projects. So currently betwixt is a bit asleep and wakes up so know and then when I can schedule a betwixt night. Mvgr, Martin On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 19:55, Tim O'Brien wrote: Betwixt is a very useful component, and a number of people would like to start using it in production systems. Could someone give a quick update as to why Betwixt is still at a 1.0 alpha? and, also provide a timeline for a 1.0 release. Tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] mvdb.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 15:38, __matthewHawthorne wrote: Martin van den Bemt wrote: Hi Tim, Robert is probably busy (or on a holiday?) and James has moved on to On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 19:55, Tim O'Brien wrote: Betwixt is a very useful component, and a number of people would like to start using it in production systems. Could someone give a quick update as to why Betwixt is still at a 1.0 alpha? and, also provide a timeline for a 1.0 release. I use betwixt in production, and would be willing to help push for a release. It would be nice if Robert or Martin could create a roadmap of sorts which could identify all of the works in progress and other things necessary for a betwixt 1.0 release. Too bad we don't have jira yet, it has some nice roadmap features.. See for the rest my reply to Tim... Mvgr, Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
On 29 Dec 2003, Martin van den Bemt wrote: I will also check to see how good the testcoverage is, since I lost track of that a long time ago :) I'll gladly help out with increasing coverage. :-) OFF-TOPIC How come Xulux isn't linked from Codehaus frontpage? /OFF-TOPIC Tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
We started before codehaus was there on the servers of Bob under xulux.org. After the move from nyx.xulux.org to xulux.org and the first release, I will personally see to it, that I make as much noise as possible to get me some users, besides myself :) Mvgr, Martin On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 18:09, Tim O'Brien wrote: On 29 Dec 2003, Martin van den Bemt wrote: I will also check to see how good the testcoverage is, since I lost track of that a long time ago :) I'll gladly help out with increasing coverage. :-) OFF-TOPIC How come Xulux isn't linked from Codehaus frontpage? /OFF-TOPIC Tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] mvdb.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Betwixt is a very useful component, and a number of people would like to start using it in production systems. Could someone give a quick update as to why Betwixt is still at a 1.0 alpha? and, also provide a timeline for a 1.0 release. Tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
