Re: [Commons-l] Proposal for maintaining meta data as structured data
Hi Daniel, Op 26-6-2013 20:37, Daniel Kinzler schreef: Am 25.06.2013 22:16, schrieb Maarten Dammers: I think that the technology of Wikidata would be very useful for this, but that the meta data should be maintained on Commons itself. Why? Because it makes sense that the meta-info is stored in the same place as and maintained by the same people as the primary data. Easier to maintain, back up, etc. Commons should be the interface to maintain the data. The actual data can be stored in a different location. I want to link the images with the items on Wikidata. So instead of having [[Category:Grote Kerk, Haarlem]] I just want to do depicts Q item for the Church I guess that's not possible when we have two Wikibase databases? Sure it's possible, no problem. The example properties are meant to be read that way. So I can link images of the church to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1545193 (item on Wikidata)? I don't feel like having duplicate systems.. You won't be able to run queries that span both system though, like give me the birthdays of all people shown on pictures in category x. But that's the only big limitation i see. In the long run we should probably get rid of the categories. Maarten ___ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
Re: [Commons-l] Proposal for maintaining meta data as structured data
On 28 June 2013 18:16, Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl wrote: In the long run we should probably get rid of the categories. Heh, that sounds like a proposal custom-designed to get bogged down in process. Best to let them fade away :-) - d. ___ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
Re: [Commons-l] Proposal for maintaining meta data as structured data
Am 28.06.2013 19:16, schrieb Maarten Dammers: Commons should be the interface to maintain the data. The actual data can be stored in a different location. yes, but it makes things easier to keep the meta data local to the primary data. think of dumps, etc. i see no good reason to *not* have that info on commons. just because it's structured data? support for that is now part of mediawiki, it's not exclusive to wikidata. I want to link the images with the items on Wikidata. So instead of having [[Category:Grote Kerk, Haarlem]] I just want to do depicts Q item for the Church I guess that's not possible when we have two Wikibase databases? Sure it's possible, no problem. The example properties are meant to be read that way. So I can link images of the church to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1545193 (item on Wikidata)? I don't feel like having duplicate systems.. yes, that is the idea! You won't be able to run queries that span both system though, like give me the birthdays of all people shown on pictures in category x. But that's the only big limitation i see. In the long run we should probably get rid of the categories. yes :) -- daniel ___ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
Re: [Commons-l] Proposal for maintaining meta data as structured data
Am 25.06.2013 22:16, schrieb Maarten Dammers: I think that the technology of Wikidata would be very useful for this, but that the meta data should be maintained on Commons itself. Why? Because it makes sense that the meta-info is stored in the same place as and maintained by the same people as the primary data. Easier to maintain, back up, etc. I want to link the images with the items on Wikidata. So instead of having [[Category:Grote Kerk, Haarlem]] I just want to do depicts Q item for the Church I guess that's not possible when we have two Wikibase databases? Sure it's possible, no problem. The example properties are meant to be read that way. You won't be able to run queries that span both system though, like give me the birthdays of all people shown on pictures in category x. But that's the only big limitation i see. -- daniel ___ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
[Commons-l] Proposal for maintaining meta data as structured data
Over the last year, we have seen some discussion about if and how Wikidata can be useful for Wikimedia Commons. One aspect of this is maintaining meta data as structured data. I think that the technology of Wikidata would be very useful for this, but that the meta data should be maintained on Commons itself. On behalf of the Wikidata development team, I just posted a proposal for this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata_for_media_info We hope you regard this as an invitation to discuss the proposal and to identify use cases that we do not cover with it. Please use the proposal's talk page as a central place for discussion about Wikidata and media meta data. Please invite others involved with the Wikidata or Commons projects or otherwise interested in media meta data to take part in the invitation. Thank you, Daniel Kinzler ___ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
Re: [Commons-l] Proposal for maintaining meta data as structured data
Thank you for the information. Would it be possible to use Wikidata instead of subject categories? I mean the biggest problem to get more participant is category name on Commons are in English. Regards, Juandev 2013/6/25 Daniel Kinzler dan...@brightbyte.de Over the last year, we have seen some discussion about if and how Wikidata can be useful for Wikimedia Commons. One aspect of this is maintaining meta data as structured data. I think that the technology of Wikidata would be very useful for this, but that the meta data should be maintained on Commons itself. On behalf of the Wikidata development team, I just posted a proposal for this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata_for_media_info We hope you regard this as an invitation to discuss the proposal and to identify use cases that we do not cover with it. Please use the proposal's talk page as a central place for discussion about Wikidata and media meta data. Please invite others involved with the Wikidata or Commons projects or otherwise interested in media meta data to take part in the invitation. Thank you, Daniel Kinzler ___ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l ___ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
Re: [Commons-l] Proposal for maintaining meta data as structured data
On 25 June 2013 15:58, Juan de Vojníkov juandevojni...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/6/25 Daniel Kinzler dan...@brightbyte.de Over the last year, we have seen some discussion about if and how Wikidata can be useful for Wikimedia Commons. One aspect of this is maintaining meta data as structured data. Thank you for the information. Would it be possible to use Wikidata instead of subject categories? I mean the biggest problem to get more participant is category name on Commons are in English. OH YES YES YES! If WIkidata can help solve this one ... - d. ___ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
Re: [Commons-l] Proposal for maintaining meta data as structured data
Hoi, Why not have tags (that are in effect references to Wikidata) they would in effect be searchable in any language. Thanks, GerardM On 25 June 2013 17:04, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 June 2013 15:58, Juan de Vojníkov juandevojni...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/6/25 Daniel Kinzler dan...@brightbyte.de Over the last year, we have seen some discussion about if and how Wikidata can be useful for Wikimedia Commons. One aspect of this is maintaining meta data as structured data. Thank you for the information. Would it be possible to use Wikidata instead of subject categories? I mean the biggest problem to get more participant is category name on Commons are in English. OH YES YES YES! If WIkidata can help solve this one ... - d. ___ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l ___ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
Re: [Commons-l] Proposal for maintaining meta data as structured data
Am 25.06.2013 17:19, schrieb Gerard Meijssen: Hoi, Why not have tags (that are in effect references to Wikidata) they would in effect be searchable in any language. Even though that is not explicitly stated, the proposal already covers that. Add properties like depicts or topic to allow for tags. All wikidata items referenced from a file's meta data could be considered tags (including the ones identifying the author, etc). We'd then need to improve the search page to actually make use of that data, and search using the user's language. But that will then be a feasible project. -- daniel ___ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
Re: [Commons-l] Proposal for maintaining meta data as structured data
toolspam Complex queries on wikidata are possible to find what you want, albeit not with wikidata itself (yet). Meanwhile: Visual query builder : http://208.80.153.172/wdq/ API : http://208.80.153.172/api_documentation.html /toolspam On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Otourly Wiki otou...@yahoo.fr wrote: Thank you for the information. Would it be possible to use Wikidata instead of subject categories? I mean the biggest problem to get more participant is category name on Commons are in English. Regards, Juandev +1 Florian Farge aka Otourly Sur les projets wikimédienshttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Otourlyet l'Association française http://www.wikimedia.fr/index.php/Accueil, et sur OSMhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Otourly Socio di Wikimedia Italiahttp://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Pagina_principale ___ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l ___ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
Re: [Commons-l] Proposal for maintaining meta data as structured data
Hi Daniel, I like to focus on one thing: Where to store it. Op 25-6-2013 14:30, Daniel Kinzler schreef: Over the last year, we have seen some discussion about if and how Wikidata can be useful for Wikimedia Commons. One aspect of this is maintaining meta data as structured data. I think that the technology of Wikidata would be very useful for this, but that the meta data should be maintained on Commons itself. Why? I want to link the images with the items on Wikidata. So instead of having [[Category:Grote Kerk, Haarlem]] I just want to do depicts Q item for the Church I guess that's not possible when we have two Wikibase databases? Maarten ___ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
