Re: Inappropriate use of announce@
G'day Tetsuya, I'm with Noel here. The newsletter is great, it's just that people who subscribe to announce@ expect to get short e-mails telling them how to find things. They don't expect large e-mails with major content. So don't stop the overall newsletter - your efforts are valued :>. I don't believe you will cause a balkanization of the e-mail culture, but I *do* believe it will take some trial and error to get the dissemination process to a point where most people are comfortable. Don't get dis-heartened, take all the feedback as positive and adapt! Cheers, Berin > > From: Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Inappropriate use of announce@ > Date: 20/10/2003 9:20:39 > To: community@apache.org > > > Nope. I have to resign. The difference of the e-mail culture. > We, Japanese, do not complain about the volume of the > mails (especially when they are useful and informative) > and I am accustomed to that culture. > > Someone like me (who have such a mind) should not have become > the editor of that newsletter. There could be often friction > and it will cause the "balkanization" of the e-mail culture. > > The original intention of the newsletter was > "Newsletter will be one of the *glue* of the communities in the ASF > umbrella, beyond the artificial boundaries of technical languages etc. > Hope this can gradually lead the good course of the ASF, avoiding the > balkanization of each projects and keep the hand tightly with various > projects.": cooperative collaboration space for all the contributors > > ... It seems that the newsletter itself is going to the contrary. > > Very sad. > > I am willing to resign. > > Thank you for reading. > > -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:08:19 -0400 > (Subject: RE: Inappropriate use of announce@) > "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Tetsuya, > > > > All that David was asking is that you post a SHORT announcement, like the > > sample I posted, rather than the ENTIRE newsletter. That is all. > > > > You did a great job, as usual, on the newsletter, and you should continue to > > do so, IMO. > > > > --- Noel > > - > Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ > Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ > fingerprint: E420 3713 FAB0 C160 4A1E 6FC5 5846 23D6 80AE BDEA > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inappropriate use of announce@
On 20/10/2003, at 01:40, Noel J. Bergman wrote: The original intention of the newsletter was "Newsletter will be one of the *glue* of the communities in the ASF umbrella ... It seems that the newsletter itself is going to the contrary. The newsletter is doing that job. All that was asked is that you post an announcement to announce@, not the entire contents. Why is that a problem? What problem do you have with a notice (an announcement)? An announcement of a thing is not the thing. Yes, and to simplify, I think the whole point with this is that when you want to post the complete newsletter to some list, we should create a new, dedicated one for it. Announce@ is for announcements, community@ for community musings, and *perhaps* newsletter@ is for the newsletter. That's it, simple, eh? Cheers, Erik [ back in my cave and btw ;-) ] --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Inappropriate use of announce@
> The original intention of the newsletter was "Newsletter > will be one of the *glue* of the communities in the ASF > umbrella > ... It seems that the newsletter itself is going to the contrary. The newsletter is doing that job. All that was asked is that you post an announcement to announce@, not the entire contents. Why is that a problem? What problem do you have with a notice (an announcement)? An announcement of a thing is not the thing. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inappropriate use of announce@
Nope. I have to resign. The difference of the e-mail culture. We, Japanese, do not complain about the volume of the mails (especially when they are useful and informative) and I am accustomed to that culture. Someone like me (who have such a mind) should not have become the editor of that newsletter. There could be often friction and it will cause the "balkanization" of the e-mail culture. The original intention of the newsletter was "Newsletter will be one of the *glue* of the communities in the ASF umbrella, beyond the artificial boundaries of technical languages etc. Hope this can gradually lead the good course of the ASF, avoiding the balkanization of each projects and keep the hand tightly with various projects.": cooperative collaboration space for all the contributors ... It seems that the newsletter itself is going to the contrary. Very sad. I am willing to resign. Thank you for reading. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:08:19 -0400 (Subject: RE: Inappropriate use of announce@) "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tetsuya, > > All that David was asking is that you post a SHORT announcement, like the > sample I posted, rather than the ENTIRE newsletter. That is all. > > You did a great job, as usual, on the newsletter, and you should continue to > do so, IMO. > > --- Noel - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ fingerprint: E420 3713 FAB0 C160 4A1E 6FC5 5846 23D6 80AE BDEA - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Inappropriate use of announce@
Tetsuya, All that David was asking is that you post a SHORT announcement, like the sample I posted, rather than the ENTIRE newsletter. That is all. You did a great job, as usual, on the newsletter, and you should continue to do so, IMO. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inappropriate use of announce@
>> This is not an appropriate mail for infrastructure@, so >> I move this topics to [EMAIL PROTECTED] About the "moderation" >> Issue, please go on talking at infrastructure@ David, you are right. I'd been fed up and tired. I am willing to quit the job of the editor of newsletter. I won't post to announce@ any more, except the release news of XX. I hope someone will take over that fantastic task. If noone will raise the hand, the newsletter will be choked and dead. The document for handing over that task can be found at http://www.apache.org/newsletter/editor.html Thank you for reading and sorry for posting FAT mails twice to announce@, before. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:09:46 +0100 (Subject: Inappropriate use of announce@) "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I feel the posting of the newsletter to the announce list is not > appropriate. In fact after the last newsletter I thought we'd discussed it > and decided that we wouldn't do that again? Maybe that was just in a dream > sequence... > > Announce is, IMNSHO, NOT intended for large emails, but rather small pieces > that announce (hence the mailing list's title) the existence of new > releases, or in this context, new newsletters. A small email along such > lines would be entirely appropriate and would likely lead to increased > interest! I assume it's available online in some suitable format, so the > post should just link to it! > > AFAICR, this was what we agreed should be done last time we discussed this, > though at that point I think it was on [EMAIL PROTECTED] As that discussions > seems > to have been ignored, perhaps we should try and clarify what we intend the > list to be used for? > > david - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ fingerprint: E420 3713 FAB0 C160 4A1E 6FC5 5846 23D6 80AE BDEA - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache Web Of Trust, was Re: [FYI] Apache Agora 1.2
More helpfully, in general the hackathon is the 2 days prior to the start of the confernece proper, which means (I think) that the 2nd day of the hackathon overlaps the first day of tutorials... david - Original Message - From: "Brian McCallister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Apache Web Of Trust, was Re: [FYI] Apache Agora 1.2 > Speaking of the hackathon... what, when, etc? > > -Brian > > On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 09:35 AM, Ben Laurie wrote: > > > Shane Curcuru wrote: > > > >> Excellent! Nice use of Agora, very interesting to see. > >> > >> I know someone's organizing a codesigning at ApacheCon; are details > >> finished yet? This would probably be a good list to advertise the > >> time > >> of the codesigning on. > >> > >> Also I know Ben Laurie has other nifty key management/who knows who > >> tools; it would be interesting to see links to that and to this Agora > >> picture posted somewhere, perhaps in the wiki, to get people thinking > >> about forming our web-of-trust and to ensure all projects do a good > >> job > >> of both 1) signing releases, and 2) having easily findable doc > >> describing how to sign, verify, etc. and what verifying releases > >> really > >> means. > >> > >> Wiki has similar info at: > >> http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?SigningReleases > >> and httpd has more discussion at: > >> http://httpd.apache.org/dev/verification.html > > > > We _really_ should use Keyman. Perhaps I'll show it to people at the > > Hackathon. > > > > Speaking of which: where's those t-shirt designs, dammit? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ben. > > > > -- > > http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ > > > > "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he > > doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
