Re: [Ant nudge STATUS] Better than we thought...
An honor more like. . Plus the opportunity to have more influence
in/benefit from the most influential software development
organization ever. Certainly this involves responsibility.
Few things worth anything don't.
Ok ... lets take this a little step further - what are the
reponsibilities that you are referring to?
It's one of the little things I havn't been able to figure out yet.
I'm not a member, I don't even play one on TV. However its fairly
reasonably document here:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/
Maybe Ken, Sam and Stefano can share more personal experience based
testimony.
My questions are more aligned with reaching an understanding of the
big picture - I'm not asking from the point of view of personal
membership - I'm much more interested in well, lets call it
understanding the social model in Jakarta ;-).
As I understand it...
We're not talking about Jakarta. We're talking about the ASF. Its like
we're talking about the macro afairs of state in the Foreign relations
committee of the Senate and you're talking about how the drought is
affecting farm workers one district of your home state (I can't think
of an appropriate nationally locallized system...parlementary
democracies in geographically smaller countries work much differently).
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is where you discuss the micro issues (Velocity vs
Struts and why people think there is a vs...please don't its a boring ol
topic just read it in the archive). This is more of a place to discuss
macro issues.
Perhaps Stefano or someone can put Jakarta in perspective of the ASF.
-Andy
Cheers, Steve.
"To write code" isn't good enough. You can do that on sourceforge.
then again this may be the effect of the "real system" for
committership... ("fine...apply your patches yourself if you don't
think I do it fast enough ;-)")
I'm not on the ant list but I would be definaterly keen to see
such a proposal cross posted to community@
yes. or just moved there.
That would be cool!
Cheers, Steve.
Cheers, Steve.
-Andy
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Re: [Ant nudge STATUS] Better than we thought...
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
well principally you should be interested in this communication.
Another PRO...
more opportunity for ant committers to become recognized and achieve
membership.
.. um, you say that like there is an end-gain
An honor more like. . Plus the opportunity to have more influence
in/benefit from the most influential software development organization
ever. Certainly this involves responsibility.
Few things worth anything don't.
Ok ... lets take this a little step further - what are the
reponsibilities that you are referring to?
It's one of the little things I havn't been able to figure out yet.
If you don't feel that waythen I guess "why are you here?" is a
good question.
My questions are more aligned with reaching an understanding of the big
picture - I'm not asking from the point of view of personal membership -
I'm much more interested in well, lets call it understanding the
social model in Jakarta ;-).
Cheers, Steve.
"To write code" isn't good enough. You can do that on sourceforge.
then again this may be the effect of the "real system" for
committership... ("fine...apply your patches yourself if you don't
think I do it fast enough ;-)")
I'm not on the ant list but I would be definaterly keen to see such
a proposal cross posted to community@
yes. or just moved there.
That would be cool!
Cheers, Steve.
Cheers, Steve.
-Andy
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Re: [Ant nudge STATUS] Better than we thought...
well principally you should be interested in this communication.
Another PRO...
more opportunity for ant committers to become recognized and achieve
membership.
.. um, you say that like there is an end-gain
An honor more like. . Plus the opportunity to have more influence
in/benefit from the most influential software development organization
ever. Certainly this involves responsibility.
Few things worth anything don't.
If you don't feel that waythen I guess "why are you here?" is a good
question.
"To write code" isn't good enough. You can do that on sourceforge.
then again this may be the effect of the "real system" for
committership... ("fine...apply your patches yourself if you don't
think I do it fast enough ;-)")
I'm not on the ant list but I would be definaterly keen to see such
a proposal cross posted to community@
yes. or just moved there.
That would be cool!
Cheers, Steve.
Cheers, Steve.
-Andy
Re: [Ant nudge STATUS] Better than we thought...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > What would this mean for the Jakarta PMC as many of them are part of Ant? > Do these PMC'ers do double duty? sure. -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
Re: [Ant nudge STATUS] Better than we thought...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would this mean for the Jakarta PMC as many of them are part of Ant? Do these PMC'ers do double duty? It is possible for a person to be on more than one PMC. It is also possible to voluntarily resign from one PMC so that one can focus on other things. - Sam Ruby
Re: [Ant nudge STATUS] Better than we thought...
What would this mean for the Jakarta PMC as many of them are part of Ant? Do these PMC'ers do double duty? -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Developers: http://adslgateway.multitask.com.au/developers "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 26/10/2002 10:04:43 PM: > > > > > >> The idea: > >> > >> ant.apache.org would become a valid url > > > > > > > > Good move - presumably could be indendent of the rest of the points ? > > > This has been asked but not answered. I think the answer is probably no > as those are reserved for top level projects. (I prefer the answer to > be yes...but I don't think it is) > > > > >> > >> ant would have its own PMC composed of whomever the committers decide > >> (I guess) > >> ant would report directly to the board > > > > > > > > Pros and cons - appears to me that the main issue is general > > discontinuity of the value perception - committers look at a PMC and > > see it as an overhead and something to push into the furthests reaches > > of their minds - board members see this is the accountability > > mechanisms - I'm still thinging about this one - I know there is > > something wrong with the model but I don't have througts together yet. > > Understandable. Another benefit: greater self determination. Although > its in a less tangible way as Jakarta committers have great deal of > this. But you need to think not only about ant but in a global kind of > manner (the ASF as a whole) > > > > >> > >> unresolved (but I think open...or maybe I'm wrong) > >> relationship between ant and Jakarta (I'm assuming it would answer to > >> Jakarta only in name/branding) > > > > > > > > Good move - leverage Jakarta (brand etc.). > > agreed. > > > > >> > >> jakarta.apache.org/ant still valid url? > > > > > > > > Should be. > > agreed > > >> > >> greater access to the members/board > > > > > > > > Questionable given the PMC concept verus community disconnect I'm seeing. > > well principally you should be interested in this communication. > Another PRO... > more opportunity for ant committers to become recognized and achieve > membership. > > > > >> > >> Disadvantage > >> reporting directly to the board (from a laziness perspective...I > >> think you have to actually "report" though I could be wrong) > >> you'd be the first to make the transition > > > > > > > > My impression is that this something comming (which I happen to think > > is long overdue). > > which this would help achieve.. > > > > >> > >> Ant is the project I personally would like to see be top level most. > >> Suggestion: > >> Someone who understands the proposed process of this happening draft > >> a formal proposal to be voted on.. > > > > > > > > I'm not on the ant list but I would be definaterly keen to see such a > > proposal cross posted to community@ > > yes. or just moved there. > > > > > Cheers, Steve. > > > >> > >> -Andy > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ForwardSourceID:NT00086AEA
Re: [Ant nudge STATUS] Better than we thought...
The idea: ant.apache.org would become a valid url Good move - presumably could be indendent of the rest of the points ? This has been asked but not answered. I think the answer is probably no as those are reserved for top level projects. (I prefer the answer to be yes...but I don't think it is) ant would have its own PMC composed of whomever the committers decide (I guess) ant would report directly to the board Pros and cons - appears to me that the main issue is general discontinuity of the value perception - committers look at a PMC and see it as an overhead and something to push into the furthests reaches of their minds - board members see this is the accountability mechanisms - I'm still thinging about this one - I know there is something wrong with the model but I don't have througts together yet. Understandable. Another benefit: greater self determination. Although its in a less tangible way as Jakarta committers have great deal of this. But you need to think not only about ant but in a global kind of manner (the ASF as a whole) unresolved (but I think open...or maybe I'm wrong) relationship between ant and Jakarta (I'm assuming it would answer to Jakarta only in name/branding) Good move - leverage Jakarta (brand etc.). agreed. jakarta.apache.org/ant still valid url? Should be. agreed greater access to the members/board Questionable given the PMC concept verus community disconnect I'm seeing. well principally you should be interested in this communication. Another PRO... more opportunity for ant committers to become recognized and achieve membership. Disadvantage reporting directly to the board (from a laziness perspective...I think you have to actually "report" though I could be wrong) you'd be the first to make the transition My impression is that this something comming (which I happen to think is long overdue). which this would help achieve.. Ant is the project I personally would like to see be top level most. Suggestion: Someone who understands the proposed process of this happening draft a formal proposal to be voted on.. I'm not on the ant list but I would be definaterly keen to see such a proposal cross posted to community@ yes. or just moved there. Cheers, Steve. -Andy
